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7:00 PM
but
I think I will look at default arguments right now.
I want to change my function arguments from T t to t := T, which is the more Wide way of doing things.
 
user1804599
Keyword arguments pl0x.
 
named arguments are on my todo list but I haven't put any serious thought into designing them
 
user1804599
Nice.
 
@LightnessRacesinOrbit It'll be a few lines at most.
 
7:02 PM
@DeadMG that's what the Nazis said
 
what, "It'll be at most a few lines of Jews into the gas chambers"?
 
Now now.
 
user1804599
Put Java programmers in the gas chambers.
 
Xeo
@DeadMG now that just seems weird
 
user1804599
7:06 PM
@DeadMG t: T
 
Xeo
^
I think we talked about this before, though?
 
@Xeo It seems better when you can do t := 5 for default arguments.
 
user1804599
foo(x: A): R {
    y: L;
}
 
that is the syntax I already use for variables and members- t := T or t := default;.
@Xeo Probably.
 
user1804599
Confusing.
 
Xeo
7:07 PM
@DeadMG that's fine for values
 
user1804599
t := T; should initialise t to be the value T.
 
@rightfold It does for locals but not anywhere else, which is a smidge whoops.
 
user1804599
Make everything the same.
 
user1804599
> Zojuist is bekend geworden dat de extreemrechtse partij van Marine Le Pen, het Front National (FN), de grootste is geworden in Frankrijk.
 
user1804599
> extreemrechts
 
user1804599
7:08 PM
lol, wat een faalhazen
 
ok, this is confusing
 
user1804599
> De nationalistische Nieuw-Vlaamse Alliantie (N-VA) van Bart De Wever werd de grootste bij onze zuiderburen.
 
user1804599
@StackedCrooked gefeliciteerd.
 
Xeo
I'll just reiterate my suggestion: v : T = init;, explicit type + init. v := init;, inferred type from init. v : T, just type, no init
 
7:10 PM
@Pedram I passed by because of the pings I received and saw the not fair downvotes on your question. I upvoted your question because it doesn't look bad, hope you don't mind. If you don't receive an answer till tomorrow I'll try to help you in finding the answer elsewhere. Sorry if I don't do it now but I'm really busy coding :/
 
@Xeo Sure, but the first form is useless compared to v := T(init);, which has the same effect, and v : T with no init would be illegal as a function local in Wide anyway.
 
user3010322
@Rapptz Oh my gosh sol is being used by other people. And they're nice people! <3
 
Wist niet dat hier nederlanders waren
 
user1804599
Ojee, nog meer Nederlanders.
 
user1804599
Of Belgen. Of andere mensen die toevallig Nederlands spreken.
 
7:15 PM
I actually think I may have totally destroyed the code for v := T(init).
 
'k ben half nederlandse
 
welp, I'll make some tests for it.
 
user1804599
Ik ben Nederlandse.
 
user1804599
En die Belg daar is Belg.
 
Goed voor je :)
 
Xeo
7:16 PM
It's about consistency. ...= init acts on the value level. ... : T declares the type of a value (where T may be inferred and left out). ... : T = init combines both, and if T is inferred, looks like your v := init.
Anyways, up to you to use it. It's just a suggestion to have a consistent way to declare types and initial values
 
'k dacht tog dat alleen maar amerikanse ,duitse en russische mensen er waren
 
user1804599
@Xeo Yes that is nice.
 
user1804599
Make it consistent and beautiful. :v
 
@Pedram If you get an upvote you can set a bounty on your question
 
user1804599
(The latter implies the former.)
 
7:19 PM
where can I find a room with CMake users?
 
#llvm uses CMake
 
I wanna tell them how much I hate it
this shit is so terrible and still they use it
 
@Xeo Oh by the way
 
I'm trying to compile clang with clang on windows for hours and this shit breaks linking
 
I assume you support is-a for virtual function arguments and return values, as opposed to requiring co/contravariance?
 
Xeo
7:21 PM
code example?
 
something like
and the same (in the opposite direction obviously) for arguments.
 
Xeo
Oh yeah, you had some kinda traits to establish is-a, IIRC?
 
yep I have such a trait
 
Xeo
@DeadMG not sure how that would be useful for parameters at all
it's useful for return types in case you call the function on derived pointer
 
well, right now I'd mostly support it for parameters for widening, like I dunno, int16 on base and int32 on derived.
 
7:25 PM
Altruism and good manners are inversely proportional to the language you use
 
honestly I haven't encountered many situations where the derived function is more generic.
 
@DeadMG heh... widening
 
What is your thought about this statement?
 
Xeo
@DeadMG how is that 'the opposite direction'?
 
languages cannot be quantified; therefore it is impossible for them to have a proportional or inversely proportional relationship to any number.
@Xeo Well, for return types, it'd have to be int32 on base and int16 on derived.
 
7:28 PM
But, the Python room (it's easier and cleaner than c++ but a bit slower) is the most peaceful whereas Php, c++ and other languages rooms in descendent order are meaner :/
 
but a language is not a quantity...
 
Xeo
@DeadMG How would you check that with a single 'is--a' trait?
 
It should've been to the complexity of the language you use
:)
 
Xeo
Sounds like you really want co-/contra-variance, but with traits
 
@Xeo Well, for return types, the Derived return type must be is-a the Base return type. For parameters, the Base parameter must be is-a the Derived parameter.
it's not dissimilar to co/contravariance in principle but I absolutely want to expand it to be more generally useful.
 
user3010322
7:29 PM
WHY CAN'T I HAVE REFERENCES IN ARRAYS Q___Q
 
and smart pointer returns are the defining example IYAM, at least for return values.
 
user3010322
It would be soooooooooooooooooooooooo easy to have it!
 
Xeo
@DeadMG you basically have co-/contra-variance, but not limited to inheritance
 
user3010322
SooooOOoOoOooOoOoOoooOooOooOooo easy.
 
@Xeo It's not dissimilar.
 
7:29 PM
Sorry for writing that bad but I'm eating hehe
 
@İnekŞaban Measured by what rating? And how did you measure altruism and good manners?
 
Xeo
@DeadMG hm, right
anyways, sounds good as long as you don't make it confusing.
 
hm
well I already just bail out horribly if the return types aren't identical :P
and probably Very Bad Things Happen if more than one function is a match.
 
Rating of complexity. You measure them by the way people (newbies in this case) are treated
 
@ThePhD poor guy
 
7:32 PM
@İnekŞaban that's not a numerical rating.
it's a subjective opinion
 
Let me finish eating and I'll expand on what I said
 
Xeo
@İnekŞaban What is your goal with that question? Berate us because we told you to fuck off with a totally unrelated question?
 
@İnekŞaban thats totally arbitrary. Language complexity vs how newbies are treated...
 
@Borgleader Well, it's not numerical so it cannot have a numerical relationship.
 
I want to change my name to 'FedoraTheExplora' or 'DildoFaggins' How can I do this?
 
7:33 PM
thats like... rating a car's engine complexity by how new car owners are treated
 
user1804599
This is so fucking difficult.
 
@Xeo Not really about me because I couldn't care much and just find the answer myself. But there was that guy Pedram that for example got bashed
For a quick example
create a new account
and post on Php, c++ and Python
you will see the difference :P
 
NOT NUMERICAL
 
Also a lot of this whole thing stems from a few if not only your experience of things. I was new to the lounge once and I wasn't bashed.
 
7:35 PM
are you blind or something?
 
Xeo
@İnekŞaban Because his question was totally unrelated too, from what I saw
 
proportionality is a NUMERICAL relationship.
they exist only between NUMBERS.
 
Xeo
we're not 'Lounge<VDHL>'
 
first, you have to quantify what you want to describe as proportional or not.
 
Not really. We don't always have to bring numbers in the equation my friend
 
7:35 PM
So do people here have a sense of humor after 8:00 or is this the wrong room...
 
you do if you want to bring a numerical relationship into it
@BDillan We do, it's just that this guy is totally unfunny.
 
we are Lounge<Chat>
 
user1804599
Lounge Akbar.
 
I planned to do so many things today, and then I slept all day
 
user1804599
Cat my escort skills can still make your day fun!
 
7:39 PM
no..
 
The situation is akin to a crowded place where a totally stranger asks you where the McDonalds is and everyone ignore him. After he complains he gets slammed and thrown into the street where a car will hit him
Do you get what I'm trying to say? ;)
 
I wish we could throw people into the street
 
Xeo
@CatPlusPlus I slept till 2pm because I got home at 4am from the birthday party
 
yeah, you're upset that we didn't shut up with our existing conversation and help you, we got it like two hours ago
 
@Xeo Did you finish Transistor yet
 
7:41 PM
I'm not anymore upset. I resolved the issue guys ;)
 
Xeo
@CatPlusPlus my PC was stowed away all week
 
Is just that I saw the same situation repeated
 
Xeo
I just earlier finished setting it up again
 
@İnekŞaban actually its more aking to going into a social science study hall and asking about your physics homework and being pissed that nobody is inclined to help you =/
 
But well.. I just wanted to give my piece of mind
 
Xeo
7:41 PM
and it doesn't like my headset atm, so no Transistor yet :(
 
@İnekŞaban We got it. Hours ago.
 
user1804599
s/mind/shit/
 
Isn't more like the main site being the social science study hall and the chat a place where everyone gets to hangout
?
 
@CatPlusPlus nice
like a real cat
 
@Borgleader there needs to be a wolfram alpha for physics for my children
 
7:43 PM
Sorry that I misunderstood the matters
 
lol, are you serious?
 
like input the paragraph problem and get a step by step solution
 
user1804599
@İnekŞaban Yes.
 
we need to make it
 
I need to do laundry but I'm out of detergent, I need to wake up before 10PM to go to the goddamn shop someday
 
Xeo
7:44 PM
@CatPlusPlus it's not 10pm yet!
 
user1804599
Buy new clothes right away.
 
man
I had to change like, 75% of my tests for the new syntax.
that bites.
 
I'll accept how things are done now that I learned about them the hard way. Just hoped to make a constructive discussion with you to understand your motivations and the likes
 
Xeo
still going for v := T where T is a type?
 
Also something is exploding in the distance
 
7:46 PM
That's all.
 
@İnekŞaban Tnx Bro :D it's ok if u can't answer now , i never gonna complain for free help :P i will try to see what else i can figure for now :D hopefully i can find some help :D and Tnx for ur upvote and help :D
 
I keep on trying to open a new tab (Ctrl + T) in Windows' Explorer
 
Use Total Commander
2
 
@ThePhD std::reference_wrapper ;)
 
@CatPlusPlus does it have tabs?
 
7:46 PM
Yes
 
user3010322
@Jefffrey Is shitty and I still have to .get() or -> on it.
 
user3010322
Worthless.
 
@Pedram You're welcome :) I always try to help where and when I can :)
 
@ThePhD It has implicit cv to T& afair
 
user3010322
@CatPlusPlus Which works when passing it to functions and stuff, but for invoking T&'s operators, it kind've fails.
 
7:48 PM
Extract it to a variable
 
user1804599
Just store pointers and use ->.
 
user3010322
EXTRA WORK. :(((
 
user3010322
(I did that, but still. :c)
 
@DeadMG oh no, three changes :O
 
If you can wait till september there will be a better alternative to SE that I'm nearly finished to code that will solve many of the issues you found during your stay
10
 
7:51 PM
@İnekŞaban Have you read the room's rules?
 
Yes the world really needs another SE clone
 
Xeo
starred for future laugh
 
:lol:
 
I wasn't speaking with you.
@Jefffrey Which rule did I violate?
 
@İnekŞaban Are you used to answer questions with other questions?
 
7:52 PM
@CatPlusPlus neat, hope it won't be too difficult to use
 
There's only like 10 almost finished Q&A engines that do the same stupid things SE do, but congrats on writing another one from scratch??
 
I like double clicking on icons
 
@CatPlusPlus It won't be another clone of SO.. really. Why would I've started it in the first place if it was going to be a clone?
 
user1804599
 
@Jefffrey Answer? Yes
 
7:54 PM
@İnekŞaban Did you do it before asking the first question of today/yesterday?
 
Also :lol: at the nerd ragequit. ILL WRITE A BETTER SITE What problems will you solve?
The problem of having too many users I guess
 
user3010322
@CatPlusPlus Popularity is too mainstream.
 
ugh, I ate too many cherries
 
If you did then you have some understanding and reading problems (coming from me it gives it a whole new meaning). If you did not then that's your fault.
 
my stomach must hate me for what I threw at it these days
 
7:55 PM
My better system will answer all your questions with "please hold, waiting for users"
 
IEEE is one standard.
 
IEEE is an organisation hth
 
user1804599
@BDillan False.
 
Xeo
@AlexM. that's not a possibility
 
IETF does NOT compete with IEEE
so true
 
7:56 PM
"mandatory password changes for the purpose of security", go!
 
user1804599
@BDillan That is irrelevant.
 
user1804599
IEEE is still not a standard, no matter how much IETF does not compete with it.
 
@Xeo my stomach right now seems to disagree with you >.>
 
There is one 802.11 standard. No other company managed how the internet works
manages*
 
What the fuck are you on about
 
7:57 PM
sorry how wlan works
 
user1804599
wat
 
wlat
 
user1804599
Vlad
 
what have I arrived in the middle of? (I typoed that as muddle - perhaps I should have left it?)
 
Nobody knows
I bet nobody cares either
 
7:58 PM
I care. A lot.
 
Im saying for the important things there is one standard for how things work
 
chilli beef and egg fried rice, anyone? I've eaten all the best bits, but there are odd scraps if anyone's really, really hungry
 
That's kind of the definition of a standard??
 
@thecoshman More like about a hundred.
 
Especially about what problems will @İnekŞaban solve with his new site.
 
7:59 PM
@DeadMG well good for you actually testing
 
duh
 

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