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3:01 PM
I'm not certain atm what I will offer in terms of variadics.
but else, it's a lot easier to do that in Wide than C++ because Wide can treat overload sets as members
 
user1804599
WordPress distraction-free editor is nice.
 
Xeo
@Jefffrey that's not currying SGDUDIGWBWOAH
 
I know, it's partial function application.
 
Xeo
yes
 
user1804599
Currial application!
 
3:03 PM
partial_function_application does not have the same charm as curry for a function name.
 
Xeo
and it really doesn't work well if you allow overloads with different arity
@Jefffrey most libraries seem to use papply
I'd have just apply. Or really, bind.
 
I like apply.
@Xeo yup
 
Xeo
that's a C++ problem with overloading in general
you'd get an error there even with the same arity
 
Yeah, it kinda makes sense.
 
nah
 
3:08 PM
well, actually no
 
IDK why C++ didn't treat overload sets like Wide does from the beginning.
 
Even if you had:
int add(int a, int b, std::string) {
return a + b;
}

int add(int a, int b, int c) {
return a + b + c;
}
 
Xeo
@DeadMG because they didn't think about it vOv
which is why I made that proposal
 
and you did auto p = apply(add, 1, 2), and then later p("ok"), it shouldn't be ambiguous.
 
it isn't.
 
Xeo
3:09 PM
the apply call already errors out
 
the problem is nothing to do with ambiguity, it's just in specification.
add is not an object.
 
Xeo
because it doesn't know which add
 
it's the same with initializer lists/braced init.
{ exprs } is not an object.
 
@Xeo Yeah, I was talking hypothetically.
 
Xeo
bind([]add, 1, 2)("hi"); would be fine
 
3:11 PM
non-hypothetically, ignoring the arity issue, then it works just fine in Wide.
 
Xeo
(where bind != std::bind)
 
you can have curry(obj, arg, arg) { return x => obj(arg, arg, x); } and call it with an overload set or member overload set.
 
@DeadMG What does that do?
 
Xeo
@DeadMG actually, for partial application alone, arity is not an issue, since you only resolve the call in the returned lambda
and you get whatever arity you want
@LightnessRacesinOrbit lambda
 
yeah, the args should have different names, but I failed at that.
 
Xeo
3:14 PM
that's not currying btw :P
 
you say that as if I do or should care
 
Xeo
you should, because the distinction between partial application and currying is actually important here
 
Hi o/
 
Xeo
since it's exactly that distinction we're kinda talking about
Also, it's not hard to keep those two concepts sorted out, FFS.
 
apart from treating overload sets as first-class objects and a few other tweaks, I don't intend to treat functions substantially differently than in C++
so both partial application and currying are in the same bucket of "No plans to implement", along with stuff like implicit semicolons, arrays as pointers, or dynamic typing.
actually, I have had some thoughts about dynamic typing
 
3:24 PM
@Borgleader I don't understand this reference.
 
@EtiennedeMartel It used to be "Never mid."
but robot changed it :(
 
Dynamic typing.
Hmm.
 
Xeo
Meh dynamic typing
 
don't know what that is
and please don't enlighten me because I really don't care.
try asking a question on Stack Overflow
er, no
 
3:29 PM
@Borgleader I used to do some Irelia jungle, just for fun.
Not that viable.
 
Aujourd'hui à Nantes, on peut voter fromage. C'est tout.
@İnekŞaban Thanks. I'll take that opportunity!
 
we really need to move to IRC or something
 
@İnekŞaban Exactly. Also, why would you dump this question in a small group of people (a) unlikely to be experienced with Redis (b) unlikely to be interested in answering questions (c) let alone about Redis? Your chances of success are many many orders of magnitude higher when posting the question under the approriate on a site that brings questions and answerers together
@İnekŞaban I'm so curious. Why do random strangers always use this exact line of reasoning? (I know, you can't speak for the rest, but maybe you can explain why /you/ did it?)
 
I don't get it either
 
Is it so hard to presume that, maybe, just maybe, we're not using Redis, and/or not in the mood to answer questions right now?
 
3:35 PM
it's like coming into a random stranger's house and telling them all to shut up and help you with your problem
 
@DeadMG It's interesting from a sociological standpoint. The pattern is soooo pervasive, there must be a very core human tendency to explain it
 
user1804599
It is very easy to explain this: people are idiots.
 
it's probably because of how they were raised
if you were raised like an idiot always asking for and receiving help
 
@rightfold Thank you for your valuable contribution
 
you're going to ask for help forever
 
3:36 PM
@sehe is there sociology.SE?
 
and if you always received help it will probably look weird when someone doesn't want to help you
 
I expect it's because we're advertised on the Q&A site.
they think that we're a help channel.
 
No no no. i'm particularly interested in the phenomenon that strangers think they can somehow "blackmail"/"extort" answers if they've aready proven the chance of success to be really really slim. Somehow the move "You're too dumb", "Ah, I guess I'll have to find smarter people then" seems appealing to more than a few people
2
 
@İnekŞaban What you do when someone asks you for help is immaterial, and you are a random stranger to us.
 
> [I] help someone when they ask me for help
helping someone when they ask for help doesn't mean others have to help you when you ask for help
it means you help others when they ask for help
 
3:38 PM
@İnekŞaban I don't know what those were answers to... (reply-to helps there).
@İnekŞaban I might do so too, but not if they actually need medical attention. Not even if they subtly suggest I might be too dumb to serve them tea.
 
I also give my project away.
 
@İnekŞaban don't make us feel in debt to you for giving us something we didn't ask for
 
@İnekŞaban I certainly don't. It's my fuckin' house and you don't get in if I don't know you or like you.
what I choose to give up to other people is entirely my choice.
 
no
 
pity that none of us are American.
 
3:40 PM
@İnekŞaban you're an hypocrite and full of shit, sorry
 
and we don't like the Americans either.
 
@İnekŞaban It might be ironic if there was a contradiction. However, you don't know whether there is. You just assume. Again, the same tactic: subtly suggesting we're somehow failing (too be smart enough, to be polite enough, to be charitable enough...)
 
guess it must be hard to be racist when you don't even know the other guy's race, huh.
@İnekŞaban Because we were doing something else and are not going to stop it to help you.
@İnekŞaban That is precisely what happens virtually every time.
 
@İnekŞaban Well, here's my, evil European take on it: I can pretend to help you, acting all polite. And that way, we will waste both our time. Or we can simply point you to better sources of information. That's helpful.
 
@İnekŞaban my time belongs to me, I give it up if I choose to and I don't if I don't choose to.
 
3:42 PM
@İnekŞaban What can we share about our lack of experience?
 
@İnekŞaban do you see what the root problem is here?
 
@İnekŞaban lol
 
you think people should give you something in return when you give them something they didn't ask for
do you honestly not see what's wrong with this?
 
@İnekŞaban I didn't! How does that even have anything to do with our ability to help?
 
no no
this is our lounge.
we speak, if you don't like the replies you get, then you don't reply.
 
3:43 PM
^ not actually true that
Well, only marginally
 
@İnekŞaban It's irrelevant. The problem is that we are not here to help you. We are here to chat.
 
yes
nobody really cares about your problems
you're the one who cares
so you should work towards solving them
 
@sehe Well, arguably, it belongs to Jeff or Joel or whatever. But as the current occupiers, the relevant social context is that it's managed by us.
 
we have our own problems
 
@İnekŞaban Yes, it is.
asking random questions from random strangers messes the place up.
 
3:45 PM
@İnekŞaban No that's not difficult. But it is hard to not respond to baseless accusation/implications like these:
13 mins ago, by İnek Şaban
I thought that someone was more intelligent than me and had already found a way. Guess that's not the case. I'll re-discover a solution myself but thank you for your time.
 
and it only gets worse if they receive no replies and then whine that everybody else is stupid or something.
 
So DON'T POST THOSE ANYMORE WILL YOU
 
brb dog feeding
 
talk about politeness.
 
6
^ best 9 seconds of your day
 
3:46 PM
@LightnessRacesinOrbit Ahahahaha
 
We call this passive aggression and if that's what you get when you have the non-European/American mindset, then I'm glad
 
I've actually laughed out loud. Just so you know.
 
I like that they show the region where that happened.
 
user3010322
@Borgleader Plops down next to chair. You're right. Dis has been p. gud.
 
@LightnessRacesinOrbit Make it a minute. I can't stop watching.
 
3:48 PM
@Jefffrey cool
 
@LightnessRacesinOrbit Blimey, I think that was featured on HIGNIFY like two weeks ago.
still funny though
 
@DeadMG WELL I'M SORRY I'M NOT UP TO DATE LIKE YOU
 
@LightnessRacesinOrbit cats cats cats!
 
user3010322
@LightnessRacesinOrbit You're always telling us to get out from under the rocks we live in. Sounds like you should take some of that advice. :D
 
@ThePhD I WAS BEING IRONIC
 
3:49 PM
@LightnessRacesinOrbit Pay the fine of £20 and I'll let this one slip instead of hauling you in front of a judge.
 
@ThePhD LIGHTNESS IS ALWAYS IRONIC WHEN HE WRITES IN ALL CAPS.
 
20 messages moved to bin
What?
 
Well. That was fast.
 
Wait, I want to ask something. What's called that licensing option that protects against selfish use/people?
 
You can
 
3:51 PM
I want to use it.
 
user3010322
"Pay me money?"
 
I don't believe you can legally define "selfish"
 
user3010322
"PMM License."
 
@İnekŞaban I think there's "Free for anyone but RMS". Did you mean that?
 
@ThePhD Pay me money would make me selfish as well lol
 
3:51 PM
heh
 
"RMS"?
 
R. Martinho Sternandes
 
Richard Stallman.
 
@sehe schizophrenia
 
3:53 PM
@İnekŞaban People need money to live, you know.
 
I don't ;)
 
False, all you need is love.
 
Yes, you do.
 
You can cook love and eat it.
 
I have free food, free home and free transport (I live alone).
 
3:54 PM
can it also protect you from disease, hypothermia, create and power electronic components?
and produce water?
 
user3010322
It can.
 
I just gave directions to tourists but I'm lost.
 
If you love life, life loves you back.
 
can it also create holy fucking shit drugs?
@R.MartinhoFernandes Impressive.
 
user3010322
HFS Filesystem Drugs.
 
3:55 PM
@R.MartinhoFernandes Poor tourists.
 
The problem is that people use money in the wrong way
 
let's face it
man cannot live on bread alone, he needs some drugs too.
as well as crumpet.
 
@StackedCrooked lol I accidentally edited that instead if replying to chat.stackoverflow.com/transcript/message/16705291#16705291
 
user3010322
@DeadMG Love makes you pretty sweaty sometimes, but I'm not sure you could lick that off someone and call it water. Worth a shot. Sex boosts your immune system, (very slightly?). Hot sex is obviously hot enough to defend against the cold.
 
I dunno where I am but they wanted to go to a street I just passed by three minutes before.
 
3:57 PM
@İnekŞaban Please, enlighten me?
 
user3010322
And if you have wild enough sex that makes you romp around I'm sure you can generate an hours worth of energy and store it.
 
@Jefffrey People with your mindset cannot be enlightened lol
 
that is always the easiest way to win an argument
 
@ThePhD unless were in the matrix the technology for that does not yet exist
 
simply say that the opponent cannot understand and move on
 
3:58 PM
That's true.
 
@DeadMG now, if only he moved on
 
Just try though.
 
inorite
 
@DeadMG isnt it one of the logical fallacies or something?
 
user3010322
@Borgleader Hm. Well, there's always those electric footpumps. :D
 
3:58 PM
not even sure why he's still here
@Borgleader What, the "You're a moron" fallacy?
 
bye
 
@İnekŞaban lol, you told me
 
WHy are you bitching like girls saying to leave?
 
our day will be complete if he goes to bitch on Meta about how unpleasant we are
 
@DeadMG the you cannot be enlightened
 
3:59 PM
You are going to leave.
 
if you do, could you please mention rightfold's vagina? thanks
 
Not really.. Why I would want to bitch on meta?
 
FUCK YEAH! I managed to build clang with mingw and it even works
 
I have a life.. I move on
 
user3010322
I know how I can get used to QtCreator!!
 
4:00 PM
well, you're bitching in here, and meta is where most people go to bitch when they get flagged out of the room and suspended from chat.
@İnekŞaban Then please do.
 
user3010322
I can try working on sol with it.
 
user3010322
That should make it easier. :D
 
Erm.. Why would I need to be suspended? You are being abusive too isn't it?
 
@ThePhD great! :P
 
now it's time to try to self-host it
 
4:00 PM
I replied with your same tone
 
@İnekŞaban Definitely.
 
@İnekŞaban No you didn't. You cannot enter a room and tell a regular to "shut the fuck up" when he wasn't even talking to you
 
It's called double standard. Look it up.
 
@İnekŞaban is correct: everybody here needs to shut the fuck up. Jesus Christ. You bitch and moan about people asking questions because it's "noise", but look at the racket you've subjected everyone to for the last half hour? Just... fucking shut up the lot of you.
 
Xeo
wtf is going on here?
 
4:02 PM
Just stop bitching like little girls and continue speaking of what you were speaking before this lazy vampire came to suck your blood with a difficult question. Really do it. I'm moving on on that matter
5
 
@Xeo Ah some guy came in and bitched that we were too stupid to answer his Redis question.
 
> This user has been automatically suspended for posting inappropriate content and cannot chat for 29 minutes.
 
then for some reason decided not to leave when it became apparent that we weren't interested
 
user3010322
s/bitched/is bitching
 
in bin, 31 mins ago, by İnek Şaban
I thought that someone was more intelligent than me and had already found a way. Guess that's not the case. I'll re-discover a solution myself but thank you for your time.
 
4:03 PM
@StackedCrooked That's some very harsh flagging. He said nothing that nobody else says. You people should be ashamed of yourselves.
 
user3010322
@LightnessRacesinOrbit Makes me glad I'm a low-rep user. I don't have the power to check these things. :D
 
@Jefffrey repost!
 
55 secs ago, by StackedCrooked
> This user has been automatically suspended for posting inappropriate content and cannot chat for 29 minutes.
 
user3010322
Low-rep Ghetto best ghetto.
 
@LightnessRacesinOrbit repost!
 
4:04 PM
20 secs ago, by DeadMG
@Jefffrey repost!
 
man I'm on fire.
 
no you're not
 
well hopefully not
that could be a pretty dangerous circumstance.
 
@LightnessRacesinOrbit I do believe he did nothing wrong when he came here and asked, and I don't think he started bitching, in fact it all just went down the usual path (which I dislike). But the flag was fine IMO. He's a total stranger, he can't expect to just shout at regulars to shut the fuck up
 
@LightnessRacesinOrbit yes please
 
4:05 PM
That's at least how I see it
 
@AndyProwl I don't see how regular/non-regular is in any way relevant.
 
@AndyProwl Sametiez.
 
So you're only allowed a moricum of respect if you happen to already be a regular? What sort of moronic approach to community is that?
 
user3010322
Uh
 
user3010322
How is this thing building my shit...?
 
4:06 PM
I was just trying to make him see that he's an hypocrite :(
 
That's fundamentally impossible
Give up, shrug it off, move on
 
@LightnessRacesinOrbit To be fair, I flagged for moderator attention a loooong while ago. That was around the time when I binned 20 messages.
@LightnessRacesinOrbit Agree with that too
 
welp
tomorrow, or maybe tonight, I will have to see what jobs abound here in the swamp.
 
@LightnessRacesinOrbit Well, I believe people that frequent the chat every day shall have a little, just little, more respect than the help vampire that just entered the room. Does it means we should be disrespectful to every new guy? Absolutely not. Does it mean Alex is more important than that guy to me? Hell yes. But that's just me.
 
user3010322
Uh
 
4:08 PM
oh shit I'd have build Release version of Clang. it compiles so ~slow~ ='(
 
user3010322
Where the hell does QtCreator store its build files???
 
@sehe shrug It's the regulars that needed moderator attention, and that didn't go so well last time
 
@LightnessRacesinOrbit I guess that's right
 
@ThePhD Project directory I believe.
 
@LightnessRacesinOrbit I just find it unacceptably impolite to enter a place where you're a total stranger and tell people who regularly conversate there to shut up
 
user3010322
4:10 PM
Oh. It's stored in sol.pro
 
I've had my share of people who were surprised I don't want to help them after they gave me things I didn't ask for
so he hit pretty close to home
 
well, after nobody answered his question, he did complain that we were stupid and if we didn't want to help him we should just shut up.
 
user3010322
... But the generated command line options aren't there. Guess I have to fish around the IDE to change how it builds...
 
before that we just ignored him.
 
@DeadMG I don't think he meant to imply we were stupid
 
4:11 PM
Also people that need to say that "they have a life", usually don't.
 
@AndyProwl That is exactly how I read it, at least.
 
He was just disappointed that nobody could answer his question and was ready to move on
 
@AndyProwl Not so sure about that last bit
 
personally, I thought/hoped he had moved on.
it was only after sehe asked him about his attitude that things got a little nastier
 
sehe's fault, obviously
 
4:13 PM
@AndyProwl Considering the reaction to his presence, I thought his response was incredibly patient and tempered.
@DeadMG Actually, the only person who used the word "stupid" during that entire conversation... was you.
 
@Borgleader Well he just wrote "I thought that someone was more intelligent than me and had already found a way. Guess that's not the case". By "that's not the case" I think he referred to the "had already found a way"
 
Yes, clearly.
 
not the "someone was more intelligent than me"
 
11 mins ago, by Borgleader
in bin, 31 mins ago, by İnek Şaban
I thought that someone was more intelligent than me and had already found a way. Guess that's not the case. I'll re-discover a solution myself but thank you for your time.
you can read it differently if you want, but I certainly read it as him complaining that we were too stupid to help him.
 
We just saw the conversation. Unfortunately.
Fortunately, we do not need to repeat it over and over with endless quotes.
 
4:15 PM
@DeadMG "Thank you for your time" clearly shows that he was ready to move on
And he didn't imply we were stupid
 
@DeadMG Then you should take a course in basic reading comprehension and stop jumping to the worst possible conclusion with every bloody person you converse with.
 
@AndyProwl I didn't read that as "I'm leaving", it felt too elaborate for that. It felt to me like he was trying to get us to answer indirectly, like "I expected you to all be so smart, it should be easy to answer me" and somehow in order to not ruin his illusion that were all so intelligent we'd answer
 
Anyway, he's gone, it's done, just drop it.
I'm hungry again :(
CBA TO COOK
 
besides, I'll have you know that I spent a whole hour helping other people with their problems in #llvm
last night
 
let me just go dig out that medal for you
 
4:17 PM
thank you.
 
you are welcome
 
get crackin', it'd better be here by the time I'm back from dog-hunting
 
user3010322
@StackedCrooked qmake... is too hard. :(
 
I never use it with qmake.
 
user3010322
It won't parse my .pro file, and keeps bailing out on me with no error.
 
4:19 PM
@DeadMG You hunt dogs?
 
I went hunting for Daisy
she thought the food the parents are cooking was more interesting than I was
bitch
 
user3010322
@StackedCrooked How do you set up your QtCreator?
 
user3010322
Do you write/generate the makefiles yourself and then just trigger on those?
 
@ThePhD I couldn't even get the thing to break on a breakpoint.
0/10 wouldn't use again
 
I always create a project choosing "Import existing project". Then fill in the appropriate build commands in the Projects view.
 
user3010322
4:23 PM
Import existing project from where, though?
 
user3010322
It doesn't give me a choice to just make one up from the aether. It asks for like, Git or Mercurial or some shit.
 
it looks like this
I always create a project directory first which contains just main.cpp and Makefile
or CMake files.
 
user3010322
Ah.
 
hm
 
@ThePhD You can do it!
 
4:29 PM
When you export a Wide function as a C++ member function, you can access private functions/variables
yay me
I should look into exporting constructors and stuff.
 
I still wish you'd find a way out of that C++ bubble you're in
 
Oh - I see you've been visited by an entitled twathead while I was out. I lost on the cards but the beer was fine:)
 
I washed my hair, dried it, then went to the supermarket to buy some frozen chicken
the cold air and AC on that aisle messed up my head a bit
 
@LightnessRacesinOrbit I have no particular attraction to C++- heck, there's a reason why I'm building a replacement. But there are some ideas in C++ where I have yet to find a better idea, and there's no shame in admitting that virtually all innovation is incremental.
 
4:36 PM
For the info I was leaving before that guy added his piece of mind. What I ask is: Stop talking dirty about me. What I want to say: 1) I have anger management issues and I'm aggressive (better that it's happened online instead of offline ;). 3) I resolved the issue by myself with Zranges. 4) I won't ask any questions anymore in chat, but please don't bash. 5) I have no will to post the answer on SO.
 
personally
 
Good day everyone.
 
@İnekŞaban You forgot about the 2
 
it kinda surprises me that the "Must compose everything!" functional guys don't seem to see value in composing resource-handling types.
 
4:38 PM
@kbok Mistake, sorry. But that explains why you didn't get what I was saying.
 
Maybe you should edit your post to fix the counting
 
I can't anymore kbok
 
Ah, yeah, there's a timeout.
 
Yes.
Ah. I do really have a life, but you used reverse psychology to bash me. Nice.
Just replied to things you said while I was unable to do so.
 
@NikosAthanasiou cba
 
yes, I think -1
 
what is cba ?
i let me gues
can't bother to answer
 
user3010322
Can't be assed.
 
user3010322
That too.
 
4:46 PM
@NikosAthanasiou can't be arsed
i'm having one of those afternoons on which I'm too hungry to bother cooking
 
@İnekŞaban ' resolved the issue by myself with Zranges' - great. Fantastic. Carry on resolving your issues by yourself instead of sucking everyone else into your black-hole code.
 
@NikosAthanasiou Upvoted your question because I care about you
 
@MartinJames don't feed the troll, please
 
@LightnessRacesinOrbit Sorry - drunk.
 
@MartinJames I'll do. I just expected someone sharing his may-mistakes so I didn't repeat it.
@LightnessRacesinOrbit What the hell is it with you? Just stop insulting and the likes. I did, you should too.
 
4:49 PM
@İnekŞaban I'm the one trying to get everybody to stop fighting with you. You're welcome.
 
@DeadMG funny Alexandrescu had this figured out years ago
 
@LightnessRacesinOrbit You're not by calling me "troll"
 
@İnekŞaban Stop. Talking.
 
@LightnessRacesinOrbit Good job huh
 
@LightnessRacesinOrbit I may be pleased if you don't call me with that names, girl.
 
4:49 PM
@kbok It was going great until Martin ruined it :(
 
thank you
 
@İnekŞaban That's no way to talk to a lady.
 
Damn, sunrise at 5:38 already.
 
@LightnessRacesinOrbit <discussion>Sorry for that. Don't call me troll and I won't call you like that. </discussion>
 
@StackedCrooked How is it currently sunrise in Belgium?
@İnekŞaban Then stop trolling.
 
4:51 PM
It's not a fair comparison, it's not so much as "Java runs anywhere" as it's "Java requires the computer to contain its compiler and runtime environment in order to execute at all". C/C++ is platform independent just as much as Java is - given you have all the libraries and a compiler handy. — Benjamin Gruenbaum 33 secs ago
 
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Q: Token vs Token* in C++

DodoSerebroSo I have a header file called Token.h in which I have several methods and declarations. In the tutorial then, in another class called Lexer.h it does this declaration: Token* token What is the difference between having Token* token and Token token? Same for the Lexer, it is used in another ...

This is excellent
 
@LightnessRacesinOrbit You're no lady
 
> is it due to pointers?
 
user3010322
Okay.
 
user3010322
Now I just need to write a makefile for this to work...
 
user3010322
4:52 PM
... Or a ninja file.
 
@BenjaminGruenbaum lol @ the answer
 
too harsh?
In my years in Stack Overflow, I have never seen such a poorly written answer, not even from a 1 rep user, not even spam. Please consider revising this answer to actually say something meaningful :( — Benjamin Gruenbaum 7 secs ago
 
@LightnessRacesinOrbit Oh come then, some questions are too hard to arsed and some so easy that outght to be downvoted.
 
Voted to delete
 
Euro elections in the land that invented democracy : The nazi party come out third
 
user3010322
4:55 PM
Da fuck
 
user3010322
"cannot find -ldl" from G++
 
user3010322
I thought the ldl library was like, backbone for G++ ??
 
user3010322
Or is that only on Linux?
 
user3010322
Ooph, I don't know how to do conditional includes based on platform in Ninja...
 
user3010322
Goddamnit.
 
4:57 PM
@NikosAthanasiou You know what they say: the shoemakers...
 
user3010322
shine shoes pretty well?
 
@kbok are pretty good F1 drivers?
 
Yes, almost there. Keep guessing.
 
... son has no shoes
@kbok is reffering to lack of democracy in Greece
 

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