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12:00 PM
@rightfold No, because the list is a reference or pointer.
 
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@kbok I will try this.
 
@kbok It's the easiest way.
 
Tiles[] surroundingTiles = scene.GetSurroundingTiles(this.position);
and when you move, you check if the appropriate surrounding tile is a wall
 
@MartinJames You can have a collidable object without having entities on the scene be one. For instance, maybe an entity is made of two separate collidable objects.
The inheritance is only useful if you want to use entities polymorphically, which is a use that actually less common than we could think
 
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I don’t want to use entities polymorphically.
 
12:05 PM
@rightfold It's the first thing that occurred to me. There are walls and things, and you need to detect collisions. What you do in OnCollision(collidable thingYouHit) is up to you.
 
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@MartinJames What would be the advantage of treating collision as an event?
 
I don't understand why so many devs don't like inheritance/polymorphism in an OO language:)
@rightfold You can change it.
 
user1804599
Change what?
 
@rightfold What OnCollision points to.
 
user1804599
12:11 PM
You are being very vague.
 
@rightfold Maybe you want to modify OnCollision behaviour at different game states. You could change the target of the OnCollision() event.
 
user1804599
What is a target?
 
@rightfold The member function that gets called through the OnCollision 'event' AKA member function pointer.
 
@rightfold that looks good. I think I also should try TS
 
Anyway, I have to call 'walkies' on 'Bailey' instance of 'Dog' class..
 
12:28 PM
@MartinJames Arbitrary callable, nub
 
@DeadMG Whatever:) Sure enough, Bailey got very wet and sneaked onto the settee. Anne is not happy.
 
lol
silly mutt
 
Hmm, I kind of like workplace.se lately, for example this is rather interesting.
Also, a friend who finished a CS degree at a "good" university just asked me how she can use jQuery in C++. mfw.
 
He's been banished to the porch to drip on the doormat. It's actually stopped raining, but the grass in the field is soaking and up to his head-height.
 
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Fucking canvas.
 
12:38 PM
@rightfold Yeah - it always lets water in if you disturb it, (though I suspect that the textile material is not what you are referring to:).
 
@BenjaminGruenbaum :E
 
@melak47 yep.
 
@paulm I should hope that if you work with Bobs low level string interface, you know it very well, by now. And if that's not the case, and it's actually not a ~5M codebase after all, then you work with hundreds of legacy projects, and yes, if each of them uses their own low-level string interface, I think these are problems that Intellisense can only artificially sustain. And I'll say it again, I like autocompletion. R#/C# is the best, I love refactorings to death. But I'll pass any day on the broken, dog slow, sources of misinformation that pass for "autocompletion for c++" in most IDEs — sehe 1 min ago
 
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Nevermind. Fuck game development.
 
nothing like arguing about intellisense on a Sunday afternoon
@MartinJames that's the lamest excuse :)
 
12:44 PM
@sehe If you are arguing about intellisense on a Sunday afternoon, I guess you are arguing with either yourself or the IDE.
..oh no! An actual SO intellisense Q. :(
 
Man, Robot was so drunk last night. He called us "cool".
 
is there a postgres repl what has autocompletion and syntax highlighting for sql?
 
@LightnessRacesinOrbit I noticed that. The unconference should be 'interesting':)
 
@MartinJames Just use a towel.
we have two dedicated doggy towels that used to be human towels.
 
@sehe my dog is rather fast.
 
12:48 PM
Daisy loves being dried off when she's cold and wet
 
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@GamesBrainiac psql has autocompletion but not syntax highlighting.
 
Two free beers for whoever can get the Robot so drunk that he calls us 'cool' to our faces:)
 
Xeo
@MartinJames that's not hard
 
@rightfold Yea, thats what I saw too, syntax highlighting would be nice.
 
Although all attempts to teach my dog vim have failed miserably. He can sit and jump like the best of them though.
 
12:49 PM
@DeadMG Bailey inverts and starts flailing. OK, he likes it but I tend to get scratched.
 
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@Xeo that is what she thought.
 
@BenjaminGruenbaum we can't all afford hounds
@MartinJames two? cheapskate
 
@Xeo It's one-time deal so you have to be first to get the robot drunk enough.
@sehe There may be other competitions with beer prizes:)
I have to think of good contests to make up for winning my own 'VladSpotter' competition.
 
@MartinJames Daisy either stands still and stretches her legs out so you can get at them, or she rolls over and just goes totally and completely limp.
and then stays that way when you're done and just goes to sleep in your arms upside-down.
 
@DeadMG You're lucky. B. is not so cooperative:(
 
12:54 PM
beer prizes != peer bribes
 
@sehe lol - it's still beer, no matter how you look at it:)
 
oooh we got std:net !!
 
Anyway, talking of beer, I gotta go out for cards/drinks. Today, I will do better than yesterday. I went out at 14:50 to go to 'Tuns' pub to watch footy at 15:00, but there was no car outside. Yes - I had forgot that I left it at the club on Thursday. I had to walk. I missed first half:(
 
@A.H. yeah. Oooh. And it's full of /just/ ntoh and related cruft
 
@MartinJames You left your car at a club for two days?
 
12:59 PM
@sehe yeah I just noticed that :(
 
That's pretty special.
 
@LightnessRacesinOrbit Yeah. I may have been a bit drunk.
 
@MartinJames For two days.
 
@LightnessRacesinOrbit It's OK - the battery is good :)
 
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1:02 PM
Wat do.
 
@LightnessRacesinOrbit Yeah. I just didn't need to go out on Friday for anything, so I didn't notice. I blame the EU - if it wasn't for the polls on Thursday, I would not have gone to the club so early and drunk so much.
 
@MartinJames Elections don't affect me in that way.
 
The polling station is in the village hall next door to the club, so....
Anne voted and got drunk too.
 
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Time to install WordPress on my VPS.
 
In fact, most of the club members voted and got drunk. The car park was heaving, anything bigger than my Fiesta and I would have had to park in the road somewhere.
A full 9 of Doom Bar disappeared on Thursday night:)
 
1:12 PM
@DusanPlavak Let me say it again: The server thread is inside the Server class. So, it's already on its own thread. (How else could I possibly wait in main()?) — sehe 14 secs ago
Almost marking OP "beyond repair"
 
why does windows 8 try to protect me from everything I download
all the eight programs I have on my computer
 
user1804599
Because it thinks you are an idiot, because most users are idiots.
 
I am an idiot, but not that much of an idiot...
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@Crow Try placing the program in an admin-access directory, like program files
 
hmm
I wonder what Wide feature I should look into next.
 
1:26 PM
does it have an ide yet?
 
I have a VS plugin
 
why not make an intellij plugin instead? It would work on other platforms too.
The IDE is quite powerful too
 
because intellij sucked last I used it.
not that VS doesn't suck
but it's relative.
 
when did you last use it?
 
twas probably a couple years back
 
1:28 PM
well yea, it wasn't that good back then.
Now, its a lot faster.
 
that is not saying a great deal.
it's kinda like advertising a shit sandwich saying it's now 5% more bread.
 
hmm, i get what you mean
but what sucks for intellij? the look? written in java? plugins? stability?
 
all of the above
also C++ support
even worse than Visual Studio's, which is saying something
 
erm, intellij almost had no c++ support back then
it doesn't even have proper support now
its going to have it in the near future
 
yes, I know, which is why I'm firmly labelling it in the "Somehow even worse than Visual Studio" pile.
 
1:32 PM
lol
vistual studio is actually pretty nice, especially its web-centric tools.
But, C++ support comes nowhere near C# support.
 
Visual Studio is a stunning pile of crap that survives only because nobody else bothers to effectively compete in that space
 
I haven't used it in a while, but what sucks about it? I mean I remember trying out the web tools, and they were good, so what sucks for C++? Lack of autocompletion? Build tools?
 
where do we start?
the compiler's hideously buggy and slow, poor support for C++11 (although it's getting better)
the build system can't even cope with files of the same name
the autocompletion is OK but really needs work
 
@DeadMG Even with sutter at ms?
 
Hiya guys!
 
1:34 PM
the debugger is a terrible kludge that hardly ever works
unspecified ABI so nobody is compatible with it and it's not compatible with itself
the API is a stringly-typed Singleton-infested mess (and that's the good, new part).
 
@DeadMG eh? Dude, I remember it being a shit ton better than eclipse :P
 
@GamesBrainiac That is presumably not saying a great deal.
it can't even evaluate functions or show most derived types.
and it loves to crash when viewing the call stack if the stack frame involves Clang types or functions.
 
Hmm. But tell me this, is it really that hard to make a good IDE for C++?
 
I dunno
apparently.
 
Could someone reccomend a good C++ matrix operations library?
 
1:36 PM
nope
 
:D Then I'll have to go with Boost
... or make one myself
O_O how long could that take
 
@GamesBrainiac It might well be possible to build something better on top of LLVM Project tools in the future.
but their Windows support is badly immature.
 
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@Nick Eigen.
 
llvm works so nicely on mac :P just brew install llvm :P
none of that crappy building and whatnot
 
user1804599
llvm works so nicely on gentoo :P just emerge llvm :P
 
1:39 PM
yeah... you can just download a Windows installer.
 
user1804599
none of that crappy building and whatnot
 
but it's not a question of LLVM itself, it's the other tools under their project umbrella
like lld, lldb, and libc++.
 
when did clang get a windows installer?
 
aeons ago.
18+ months.
longer I think
 
lol, i didn't know that. I thought you had to build it yourself.
 
1:41 PM
not for a long time.
 
but then again i did build it a long time ago
 
@MartinJames ouch
 
friend should be renamed to friend_with_benefits
 
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Are there languages other than C++ and supersets of C++ that support friendship?
 
Pony++
 
1:54 PM
or maybe its_complicated
 
Shit++
happy now?
 
sooo I have to take a C++ course... I'm gonna fail!
 
lol
 
don't worry the people who teach those courses know little about c++
 
this teacher is pretty smart, it's a specialized class though. Six people total working on one project
 
1:58 PM
ezpz
just don't let your teacher/TAs near your repos
or they'll delete it on the due date by "accident"
 
eh, there's no reason they can't have read-only access.
 
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Time to write blog post.
 
This cat can predict death ... although it might just be that there is something on that cat that could make a severe dementia patient die?
you know ... cause & effect
 
exactly
haha that article is quite funny in missing the obvious
 
@rightfold You have a blog?
 
user1804599
2:07 PM
I have no blog but in some magical way I can write blog posts.
 
@chmod711telkitty soon: Serial killing cat on the run
 
yeah, you know the kind that quietly swipe its butt on patients mouth & nose while they are sleeping ...
 
@LightnessRacesinOrbit What particular obvious did you have in mind?
 
@rightfold Medium v0v
Also hi
 
user1804599
No. WordPress.
 
2:24 PM
lol warcraft III takes 4 seconds to install
@melak47 repos? You think my school is that fancy? (most people can't into source control even in senior year)
 
hmm
I could consider scrapping the prolog syntax and instead using the same as member initializers.
but then you couldn't have a member named ReturnType and stuff.
could just make them into keywords I guess.
return := type;.
or maybe even multi-member initializers
member1, member2 := f_that_returns_tuple();
 
Probably a stupid question, did you actually copyright the language?
 
no.
 
Oh, wait. It's the website.
 
something as abstract as a language cannot be copyrighted anyway if I recall correctly
 
2:37 PM
@DeadMG I see you are using Type(Types...)(args...) for templates, is that correct?
Like Type<Types...>(args...) in C++.
 
yep
 
How's your support for functional programming? Do you allow currying, for example?
 
how could you possibly disallow it?
 
I mean allowing it directly into the language. Like Haskell does, as opposed to what C++ does not.
 
you mean, implementing it?
I do not implicitly curry functions for you.
implicit currying and function overloading are poor bedfellows
 
2:44 PM
I don't understand.
I must be dumb.
 
what, you don't understand what makes them a bad combination?
 
I guess you just answered me. I think I mean "partial function application".
 
@DeadMG What Kitty said immediately after linking to it
 
My point was that if you would allow something like int add(int, int); auto pa = add(1); std.cout << pa(2);.
 
I've got no plans to implement such a feature at this time.
imagine how much fun you'd have if later, somebody added int add(int);.
 
2:47 PM
I see what you mean.
 
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@DeadMG arity overloading to be specific :P
 
besides, I personally am not convinced of the value of such a feature.
 
I much prefer explicit binding
auto pa = bind(&add, 1, _1); // nice enough
 
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Implicit currying is only useful in a language where you use higher-order functions for like almost everything.
 
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2:56 PM
And I highly doubt Wide is such a language.
 
I dunno
we'll see
 
It's a wide-level language
 
I intend to offer a range of tools if I can
 
user1804599
As long as lambdas don’t require superlong keywords like “function” I’m fine with it.
 
right now I have a C#-style x => expr or x => { statements } form.
 
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2:59 PM
Great.
 

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