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9:00 PM
Ich habe am neunundswanzig Marz Geburtstag.
Das ist toll.
 
There is more than enough public transport in some cities. My grand uncle is 78, lives in Saint Petersburg, never learnt how to drive a car and never needed it
(According to him)
Doubt that though.
 
8
A: What are good games to "earn your wings" with?

davrIn my experience with novice programmers, the progression usually seems to go something like this: Pong Tetris Huge amazing awesome 50 hours of gameplay 3D RPG (note: most people give up programming part way through this step)

I lol'd
 
I l-ed-ol
 
@R.MartinhoFernandes ...while sober.
 
9:08 PM
Meh pizza again
 
We changed our regular code to state monad
it compiled
 
Should've gone to a shop
 
> 1 of 1 test suites (1 of 1 test cases) passed.
:smug:
 
Bug free ship it
 
Hey guys, I found the worst IDE ever.
Cincom Smalltalk
 
9:12 PM
Nah that's Eclipse and Xcode
 
we provide... leverage
 
a.) it uses non-monospace font as default
 
Wow crime of all crimes
 
b.) horrible interface
 
Standard
 
9:13 PM
Guys
> I would like to know the reason why this issue is absent in C++ Standard Library Issues List. It was proposed more than a tear ago.
Guess who wrote that gem
 
Vlad.
 
Vlad
 
C++: proposed more than a tear ago
 
and c.) I still haven't found how to add a method to a class (simply typing it in won't help)
 
@Columbo I get now why he doesn't like cars
 
9:15 PM
That's Smalltalk environments in general
 
@Puppy Bingo
 
@sehe Good evening sir.
 
@milleniumbug ninjaed bitch
 
here I go again... x11 :S
 
? And please note, that N3457 is the paper number. There is no library issue with number #3457, yet :-)
 
9:16 PM
@Puppy doggammit
 
fammit*
 
some people are just inferior
 
> Also I can give you another productive idea to substitute std::accumulate for std::for_each.
actually, that's a bit of a good point there
 
by the way
did I mention that my co-workers have rep envy?
 
dis algebra
kills.
HOW IS XCODE BAD!?
 
9:21 PM
@Puppy They envy you for your rep at SO?
Or what?
 
yes.
 
they're all like, 500.
 
Compiles C++ 11/14, realtime errors, code completiton.
 
Give em some bounties
 
9:22 PM
Can you name their accounts?
 
I could do but I won't.
 
"Works and has basic features" is not a quality indicator
 
@Puppy Are they any good?
 
good at what?
 
9:23 PM
@Puppy At what they are responsible for at your work.
 
For Xcode?
 
Or at what they try to gain rep with.
 
I just got here
so dunno
 
What's wrong with Xcode.
 
@Puppy Ah, I see. I'd wish you good luck if you'd need it.
 
9:24 PM
I likely do but luck won't come from being wished by random people.
 
@Puppy It might better your mood. I don't know about you yet, for me that wouldn't work.
 
what, getting some good luck?
 
@Puppy No, getting wished good luck by random people.
Obviously getting luck wished isn't gonna get you luck.
If luck corresponds to coincidences that benefit you.
Or such.
 
it primarily reminds me that I have no real control at all over events.
and nor do random Internet strangers of course
 
Sometimes I feel that lacking of sleep has a drastic reducing effect on my intelligence
 
9:29 PM
I saw this guy at the market couple of days ago, saying he'd give the seller a hundred pound if he would cannonball into a box of tomatoes. Money makes assholes sometimes
Then again I think of this Lounge and how benevolent that is in comparison
 
the Lounge is a great place.
 
For spending hours unproductively :D
 
user1804599
Hi.
 
Why is Xcode bad :O?
 
user1804599
@exitc0de It doesn't have pointers.
 
9:31 PM
hello zoidberg
 
user1804599
what's up
 
So does.
 
the lounge is ideal for certain type of people ..
 
@exitc0de It doesn't have pairs and is therefore not modern
 
Indeed.
 
9:31 PM
@chmod711telkitty Where is the telkitty-so-wisdom tag?
 
user1804599
I should never have blessed America
 
protip: ignore telkitty.
 
Can we change the topic and description of the 'lounge' already.
 
no.
 
user1804599
No.
 
9:32 PM
I have so many stars
 
@exitc0de You can spend them at the next shop you get to
 
user1804599
Speaking of stars.
 
the only time that happens is Lounge<Rightfold's Vagina>
 
user1804599
I should get my star penetrated.
 
a basic health potion is 3 stars
 
9:32 PM
There should be stars and ironic stars.
I have a hell of a lot of stars.
 
@Columbo no tag coz no wise - sleep deprivation
 
@exitc0de They're all ironic stars.
 
user1804599
@exitc0de None to be proud of, though.
 
I know
 
user1804599
Okay let's tell friend I'm TG.
 
user1804599
9:33 PM
how do help
 
user1804599
 
user1804599
^ I want this shit.
 
@CatPlusPlus How is Xcode bad?
 
@rightføld Is that entire food?
 
user1804599
It's breakfast.
 
9:34 PM
@exitc0de Look it up in the transcript if you care
 
You never said why
 
@rightføld Never done it so can't really say.
 
Did you?
 
I've said it when I used it
 
When was that?
 
9:35 PM
Thankfully I don't have to deal with shitosx now
 
Could you summarise?
 
Dunno year ago
I don't care much
@rightføld That looks like barely registering as 'I ate something'
 
What are the negatives?
Better than VS
 
user1804599
Also, scratch that tomato.
 
user1804599
Tomatoes are terrible except when part of ketchup.
 
9:36 PM
Tomatoes are great you're weird
 
tomatoes are great if they don't have green seeds inside
otherwise they're gross
 
oh noes tomatoes
 
@rightføld What's the black rounded thing?
 
...or except on the pizza
 
black pudding,.
 
user1804599
9:38 PM
No idea but it looks good.
 
It sure does.
 
I ate too much
I'm getting sick by looking at more food
ugh
 
harhar
I'm so familiar with that feeling
 
user1804599
akbar
 
I can't help but laugh
 
9:40 PM
I need food
Where's my pizza
 
All you need is love
 
@Puppy it's getting worse
shouldn't have eaten those pringles
 
user1804599
 
user1804599
MUST SEE
 
@rightføld :D
 
9:43 PM
@rightføld uuuuuugh
 
One has to remark though how he pronounces uncomfortable at 1:34, that's just wrong
 
you're just wrong
 
@Puppy No, you're just wrong. inb4 Thats what I said!
 
room topic changed to Lounge<C++>: Press LEAVE to continue. [c++] [c++11] [c++14] [c++-faq]
 
@CatPlusPlus Goddammit you tricked me
 
9:46 PM
I can't even think of a joke
meh
 
> To see the vacancy – you may review the file attached.
there is no file attached
you can't attach files in PMs on this site
 
Yay changed topic
 
There is no vacancy
 
fucking canned shit
 
@AlexM. lol
They are trolling you.
 
9:47 PM
My brain is fried
 
ik
 
You all have 10,000+ rep. D:
 
@exitc0de I don't but will have soon
 
I have better games to play
 
what does the dotted line means again?
 
9:50 PM
Where you've read last. Maybe
 
Honestly - whats wrong with Xcode :O
Or Eclipse
 
The star board: wtf?
 
What do you use?
Oh lol, that.
 
why the hell can I make instances of abstract classes in D
 
oh I see, thanks
 
9:51 PM
@CatPlusPlus Here's one: Newton, Pascal and Puppy are playing hide and seek. Puppys turn to count, and he starts: 1, 2, 10, ... (in trinary of course, to annoy everyone). Pascal runs and hides somewhere behind a tree while Newton doesn't even move but simply draws a square on the ground. Puppys done with counting (...100, 101) and immediately sees Newton, telling him that he lost the game. But Newton replies: "I don't loose; You found Newton over a square meter, in fact you found Pascal"
 
Long story.
 
That joke is as old as me.
 
@exitc0de Keeps crashing, for one.
 
Except Puppy was someone else I don't remember who.
 
It's riddled with bugs.
 
9:52 PM
Fine for me.
What Eclipse?
Xcode isn't.
 
Wow funny yes
 
why the hell can I make instances of interfaces in D
 
@CatPlusPlus Wasn't supposed to be, I thought the implied sarcasm was obvious
 
@exitc0de Maybe it isn't now. Xcode 3 was buggy. Xcode 4 was buggy.
 
what is going on in this language
 
9:53 PM
I'm heard some weird shit about Xcode 6.
 
Xcode 6 isn't :P
 
lol yeah right
 
Might be some, but I"m fine.
 
Every software is buggy. hth
 
I honestly don't think Apple is capable of producing a decent IDE.
 
9:53 PM
I don't think Apple is capable of producing decent anything
 
Why would I lie
 
lol rule #12
 
As for Eclipse, well, it's just slow and it has an incredibly convoluted UI.
 
Eclipse is fine
 
Again years of experience why do you think we care if you think it works fine
 
9:54 PM
But it's not as bad as Xcode 4's "Oh, something fucked up. Do you want to crash or keep going in an unstable state?"
Yes, they actually shipped with that error handling.
 
"Works for me" was never, is not, and will never be a good excuse for anything
Especially that you have literally zero experience with heavy workload
 
Fair enough.
I will use it until I find the same problems.
 
Suit yourself
 
@StackedCrooked No, no they can't. Stop it.
 
user1804599
9:56 PM
@StackedCrooked Now try for polymorphic lambda.
 
@Puppy I'll continue.
 
Another IDE that sucks: Visual Studio. That shit requires exclusive use of the hard drive at all times. So if you're like me and your employer is only delivering SSDs next year and you have to, oh, I don't know, run a build of another project, then tough luck, you're gonna have to wait before you can use it.
 
@StackedCrooked oh no the function traits
 
@EtiennedeMartel That shit is bananas.
VS is plain bananas.
 
Waiting for background operation to complete
 
9:57 PM
you've gotta wait for an operation to finish before you can put text on the clipboard?!
 
Also "I can't figure out that I should be inserting \n to file that has all \n and literally zero \r\n"
Good Text Editors (tm)
 
IntelliSense stops working because I'm building. Why can't the database fit in RAM? I have 16 GB of it.
I feel like VS is built to target 1996's programmer.
 
VS is a 32bit process and they're too bad to interprocess or 64bit.
 
user1804599
Switching to 64-bit breaks assumptions about sizes of types! :D
 
9:58 PM
Also, a colleague of mine has a "XAML Designer something something has stopped working" message every time he builds, today.
 
well XAML is pretty shit, but the designer is amazingly bad.
 
At least the XAML designer is a separate process now. In VS2010 the whole IDE would crash and burn if I opened a XAML file containing a ribbon control.
I would have to remember to mash Escape repeatedly when opening such a file to abort the designer's initialization
@Puppy Of course the designer is bad. Those Blend licenses aren't gonna sell themselves, ya know.
 
lol
 
I double-clicked on an error message.
 
JetBrains should roll R# into their own C# IDE
 
10:19 PM
@StackedCrooked very nice if people dare to pass a regular functor coliru.stacked-crooked.com, or something more interesting: coliru.stacked-crooked.com/a/1bb221f064c2792f
 
user1804599
lololol
 
Ok, guys. KISS problem.
You have to find the index and length of all substrings, of a super long string, that are of length between 4 and 12 included and satisfy some predicate. How would you split this problem into pieces in Haskell?
While keeping some sort of reasonable efficiency.
 
/kick "That Haskell dude"
 
Ell
Meh I don't seem to like any ales I try
 
10:26 PM
Oops. Sorry Jeff.
 
I thought of going with a findSubsequencesOfLength :: Int -> [a] -> [[a]] but that wouldn't give me the indexes or length.
So you would go with findSubsequencesOfLength :: Int -> [a] -> [(Int, Int)], which would return all subsequences of some length returning the index and the length but then: 1) you can't check the predicate 2) the return second part of the tuple (the length) is redundant.
So you end up with findSubsequencesOfLength :: Int -> (a -> Bool) -> [a] -> [(Int, Int)], which would also take the predicate and automatically filter the substrings of that length that satisfy the predicate, but then the implementation is messy to do recursively and the length is still redundant.
 
Did exitc0de pull a Unidan or was it reasonably hilarious? Again Jeffrey: sorry to intervene your Haskell stuff.
 
I wonder if this problem would be suitable for codereview.
It doesn't contain code to review yet.
 
...
 
I'm pretty sure it would be rejected from SO because it's not a clear problem with the implementation and/or opinion based.
 
10:33 PM
But people will marvel at the first CR post that shows code without a flaw
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Q: My professor is rigging data and plagiarizing. What can I do?

atreeMy department head is manipulating data in his research papers and skillfully alters plagiarized text to avoid detection. I found this out while working with him on a journal article. I politely confronted him but he did not concede and I backed off from that paper. Later other professors confirm...

 
@sehe overloading, nice!
 
What code without a flaw?
 
sehe: would that be an upvote or a downvote?
 
@StackedCrooked but it doesn't work!
@CaptainGiraffe I would be stunned into silence
 
Does not being able to solve this kind of design issues make me a bad programmer? Serious answers pls.
 
10:35 PM
Nope. Because you didn't try it yet.
 
@sehe don't care :p
 
@sehe I didn't try what yet?
 
Then why did you boast that you can do something for a member function of a class, that you can do for any member function of any class? (By the way, [](int,int) mutable { return 0; } would also pose a problem, right?)
@Jefffrey to solve this kind of design issues
 
@Jefffrey Start with the final type and any implementation and then refactor it
 
@sehe I listed my tries. It seems like that either I go with inefficient implementation, or I go with a function with too many arguments, or with a function that is not reusable, or with a function that is too long, and in some cases even with redundant results.
 
10:38 PM
This is the best part of the year by a thousand miles.
 
@Jefffrey Sorry, if those were tries, then I've attempted the mount everest. Several times
@CaptainGiraffe b'day?
 
What else would I do?
 
Implement something
 
Why aren't those tries?
 
@sehe No this is when the real c++ course starts. I start by showing the why pointers are bad. Then RAII
 
10:40 PM
I can get an hard coded working implementation of my problem. It's not too hard. It's making it good that is hard in this case.
 
Then I get to show elegant stuff like copy/swap and moving stuff.
 
Doing anything else and moaning about the lack of experience makes you a bad programmer, indeed.
The inverse just makes you a bad architect.
@Jefffrey They are ideas. They haven't been tried
 
Yeah, yeah. I tried them.
My undo file will prove it.
 
So choose the best
 
blaaaaargh
 
10:42 PM
Also this is the first course instance I get to show 11 stuff for real.
 
There's no best, that's the problem.
Everything has equally ugly issues.
 
So, choose the constraints such that you can select a "best"
(Often, business, reality and other annoying factors will decide the constraints of course)
 
The constraint is good efficiency, but that still leaves me with a lot of bad choices to choose from.
 
I'm still uncertain though how to present the always auto sentiment. Personally I feel that always auto is overstretching. In particular with return types.
 
If they all have the same downsides, then your approaches aren't different enough
 
10:44 PM
They are different, just equally ugly.
 
@CaptainGiraffe So... don't. Teach in such a way that you feel most comfortable explaining.
 
I can find something wrong with any solution. Something that goes against every principle I've learned about writing good software.
 
If your understanding and educational skill is ok, that will be better than some "final goal". Good code for beginners != good code for experts
@Jefffrey Well, then compare it with construction.
 
@sehe It was Sutter I think that started the always auto, so I would just present his original idea. Not really sure it was Sutter, I'd have to look that one up.
 
"compare it with construction"?
What does that mean?
 
10:46 PM
Building construction is the process of preparing for and forming buildings and building systems. Construction starts with planning, design, and financing and continues until the structure is ready for occupancy. Far from being a single activity, large scale construction is a feat of human multitasking. Normally, the job is managed by a project manager, and supervised by a construction manager, design engineer, construction engineer or project architect. For the successful execution of a project, effective planning is essential. Those involved with the design and execution of the infrastructure...
 
Would do me a favour?
Would you please try to come up with the best solution you can think of for me?
I don't care about the implementation, just how you would split the problem.
We can talk abstractly all we want, but that wouldn't solve much.
 
@sehe Also thanks: My lecturing style is based on live coding. Explaining concepts while they evolve in code. It is a hinderance to explain controversies while writing code =)
 
user1646075
@CaptainGiraffe When you find it, share the link. I'm uncomfortable with having to think to determine a type. Auto some, sure, but all? Uhmm-uhmm grllfreend
 
Yes. "Mmm. I can use wooden frames, steel skeleton, foam boards. Mmm. I could arrange compartments vertically or horizontally... - I see nothing there that makes either choise bad".
(Add constraints: "you've got a build it within a day", "you've gotta build it without lifting equipment", "you've gotta build 300 of them", "it's got to resist a flood", "it's gotta float", "you've got to build it on top of a mountain)
@Jefffrey Oooph. That would require me to actually read the description closely. Mmm. I will try. For a second.
But first: TEA
 
Thanks
 
10:51 PM
So all we have to do to get starred is to say obvious/idiotic things? Boy am I missing out!
 
user1646075
@Nooble which star are you referring to?
 
@exitc0de
 
@Jefffrey What wisdom :)
Can we drop the "Haskell" constraint?
 
user1646075
@Nooble ohh. You're mistaking whiney bitch for obvious/idiotic
 
@sehe I guess C++ could go too.
 
10:53 PM
I'm watching a Haskell tutorial, not gonna learn it.
 
@aclarke Hehe
 
But only with recursion.
 
@Jefffrey what's the "assignment"? (I need to focus on something else for a while)
 
@Jefffrey For Haskell, I suppose all I remember is "use Data.ByteString"
 
29 mins ago, by Jefffrey
You have to find the index and length of all substrings, of a super long string, that are of length between 4 and 12 included and satisfy some predicate. How would you split this problem into pieces in Haskell?
 
10:54 PM
@Nooble Thanks a ton. Why do you dredge him up if you don't appreciate his company?
 
@sehe I mean, just have the constraint of use Haskell's features (eg. No while loop, for loop, classes, etc...).
 
I really don't see the need for recursion. Just use your call stack!
 
As I said, I don't care too much about the implementation.
 
user1646075
@JohanLarsson don't be a luddite
 
10:55 PM
@Jefffrey what does the predicate accept, is it just predicate :: String -> bool?
 
Yup
For the sake of the argument, let's just say it checks if the string is a palindrome.
 
@Jefffrey ie. the predicate must be invoked with every potential substring?
 
Yup
 
@exitc0de We're not anti-new-people.
 
@Jefffrey well the obvious would be to traverse the stream sequentially, incrementally tracking "tokens" (substrings) on the fly and applying the predicate as you reach the end of a token in [4..12] characters. Now, if you know something more about the predicate you could optimize
 
10:57 PM
The predicate is "is palindrome? return true, else false".
 
user1646075
@Nooble We're anti-serious, anti-work-in-a-chatroom-for-drunks
 
@Nooble So this is why I'm not an owner anymore. You're plonked. Take your petty wars to another room, next time
 
user1646075
was he warring with that guy?
 
He is now
 
Don't care about optimizing that much.
 
user1646075
10:57 PM
don't make me play catch-up
 
@sehe what happened to owner?
 
user1646075
heh
 
@sehe Yup.
 
I have 3+4a but I think this is just as good: amazon.com/Computer-Programming-Volumes-1-4A-Boxed/dp/…
 
@sehe Oh no! Not the plonk! Anything but the plonk, please! /s
 
10:58 PM
Don't listen. God forbid you think about what people say to you.
That would be a sign of weakness.
 
@aclarke No, just got here. According to @sehe, making a point is warring.
 

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