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7:00 PM
LOL you will be butt riding the road if you go 100 mph on that car :P
 
yeah. I've already had troubles with the transmission sensors on the thing this summer, and the belts are all worn. Before that, I fully replaced the brake cylinder, calipers, and pads myself.
 
I went 100 a few times then it cuts out :(, my friend took out the regulator and used to drive 120 everyday
 
just imagine, 2 oncoming cars collide with each other, both 300 km/hour, makes the collision impact 600 km/hr
 
but not on a bike :(
 
well, no, the belts were all worn, before my transmission guy replaced them for free :)
 
7:02 PM
when I did the 225 I was on a Tahoe, I would NEVER try it on any of my older cars because with a small bump in the road you go flying farrr
 
I give up on this error. My boss instead of helping me he tells me to accept jesus as my savior, wtf?
 
I'm a software engineer who can read a Haynes Repair Manual and fix a car. :P
 
@Andredseixas lol
 
Jesus won't help me fix this f-cking error.
 
@ShotgunNinja i'd rather just hire somebody else to do the work
 
7:03 PM
Also, @Andredseixas, that's religious discrimination, and you can sue him for instigating a hostile work environment.
2
 
hes trying to convert you by putting you through hardcore debugging
 
@Steve I don't have the money to risk letting a technician fuck up or charge me extra.
 
tell him, "hell no! I surrendered to the devil when you were in diapers"
 
@ShotgunNinja is telling truth
 
That's how I roll, @KyleTrauberman.
 
7:04 PM
And @Kyle always tells the truth.
 
I work for a religious university, so its more likely that I would encounter that here
 
@ShotgunNinja you make more than them mechanics anyway, and they'll spend less time working on it than you. If you spend that time working at your programming job instead of working on your car you'll actually make more than if you worked on it yourself
 
but its still not kosher
 
I make $12 an hour.
 
@ShotgunNinja I won't sue him for his stupidity. Unfortunately it won't be good for my career to have sued a boss because of my unbelief.
 
7:05 PM
I really need a new fucking job.
 
man this weather is beautiful (whether?)
 
@ShotgunNinja yes you do
I make 3.5 times that
 
I made $15 an hour at my last internship, doing avionics V&V.
 
If I had 10 years of experience and good name on the market I would do that. But I can't with 1 1/2 years of experience.
 
7:06 PM
@KyleTrauberman r u a graduate or any exp?
 
i make 20/hour at my current internship
 
I'm going into senior year of college.
 
I have BSCS withi 5 years experience
and "SharePoint" on my resume
 
oh god, SharePoint
 
how much do you all make
 
7:07 PM
that will do it :P
 
what the hell is sharepoint? I have that at my current job and everyone is talking about it
 
once you get into the real job market?
 
i make 20, next internship ill make 22
 
@Nadal within 10 internships @Nadal will be making $40/hr
 
i mean once i get out of this internship, how much should i be looking for?
 
7:08 PM
@HansZ i only get 6 internships then its graduation, on graduation your pay is ~34
 
In dollars, I make 4$/h if my math isn't wrong...
 
@Nadal SharePoint is Microsofts Business collaboration platform
 
that's terrible, Andred. Where are you from?
 
think Office in the cloud
 
Brazil
 
7:08 PM
with collaboration features
basically an Intranet
 
768$ converted.
 
for teams
 
i think we made one of our external ecommerce sites out of sharepoint
 
Ah, that explains a bit. The exchange rate is odd, and living is cheaper in Brazil.
 
i think i will ask them then to train me on learning it if its of any use in the market
 
7:09 PM
at least I would assume as much.
 
so i dont think its only internal
 
@Steve pay bumps up 2-3$ every 4 months of work
 
Yeah, it is cheap, sorta. We have a lot of taxes, out of 768$ I just get 609$..
 
so just go based on that
 
is that weekly or monthly?
 
7:10 PM
Monthly
 
lol
 
yikes, my last 2-week check was $756.33 after taxes
 
r you guys in the U.S?
 
I bought the cheapest car on the market of 2012 that it costs 11k$ but with taxes I paid 13k$
 
i work faster than they can give me work, and everybody tells me how great i am and how glad that i'm not an idiot like the last interns.... so i'm thinking of asking 60k/year right out of the gate when this internship ends
 
7:11 PM
I am in the US
 
What kills me is the f-cking taxes.
 
Good to hear, @Steve
 
@KyleTrauberman what is the role of a dev in SP?
 
developing things
 
is that asking too much you think?
 
7:12 PM
I do a lot with infopath
 
lol thats pushing it a bit
 
also, I got $190.83 off in taxes for just two weeks. Grossed $947, netted $756.
 
I create webparts and sharepoint solutions
 
@Steve It depends on how long you've been working for them.
 
about a year and a half once my internship ends
 
7:13 PM
honestly, its a lot more admin stuff than development
 
the point is to use that good rep to keep the job for a while and getting experience and they will bump your pay anyway
 
I guess not. @Steve
 
@KyleTrauberman is it used a lot on the industry?
 
yes
its growing
 
@Steve thats too much lol
 
7:14 PM
very popular
 
hmm
 
i guess its worth asking my boss to get someone to train me lol
probably will add to my small list of "things I learned during my Co-op term"
 
that seems low you guys
devs make 65+ in US usually
 
thats what i thought, and asp.net/c# are on the higher end of that
 
But really.. Don't any of you guys want to hire me ? I don't ask much and work overtime. :(
 
7:15 PM
yeah but we are like fresh east coast programmers
 
i've been programming for over a decade
just not in asp.net/c#
 
@KyleTrauberman i do Asp.NET is that higher demand?
 
@Steve steve are you majoring in some sort of comp sci?
 
yeah, computer science
 
BS/BSE/BAS?
 
7:16 PM
bs
 
also, SP seems liek the tool I would need to know as a Management engineer
 
you should make 65k minimum (assuming you're pretty good at coding)
well not minimum
 
fresh out of college?
 
but 65k is in the low range from what I've seen
 
another friend of mine said that asp.net developers make 75k average
 
7:17 PM
Really ? No one is willing to hire me ? :(
 
from what I've seen 60k is about average pay for "competitive" internships
 
I feel sad now.
 
@Steve if you wanna make 65k/year then pack on a couple of pounds and rename yourself to boris
 
@Andredseixas I'll hire you! Let's start a startup together and rule the world!
 
so i figured i'm good, work hard, i can ask for 60k and have that be reasonable
 
7:18 PM
@Steve I'd ask for more tbh
what type of company are you working at? what field?
 
startups keep offering me jobs, damnit leave me alone
 
@HansZ Yeah ! I want to join it !
 
@Nadal And look like this:
 
a multi national R&D place, not huge about 12k employees
 
lol
looks liek my university prof
 
7:19 PM
@Nadal if dennis ritchie is your university prof
congratulations because you'll have the best comp sci education money can buy also you've managed to raise people from the dead
 
Awesome!
 
Anybody here familiar with Setup/Installers?
 
@Nadal You know that that guy is Dennis Ritchie right ?
 
Dennis Ritchie developed the C programming language, Nadal.
 
He's the Jon Skeet of programming
 
7:20 PM
along with Brian Kernighan.
 
the ritchinator
 
Knuth.
 
hence K&R C: Kernighan and Ritchie.
 
KNUTH
 
oh didnt know lol
 
7:21 PM
basically there are like 5 or so programming gods
 
Does this guy look like a world-famous computer scientist?
 
That's knuth.
 
no
he looks like a turtle
 
he looks like the guy always attached to Amber Alerts
 
7:22 PM
Well, he is.
 
Grand Meister Knuth.
 
i refuse to acknowledge him
 
he's a god
 
loling so hard at the turtle
 
Well, good for you. You just lost nearly every algorithm or data structure you've ever learned.
 
7:22 PM
it goes Knuth, K&R, Torvalds, Djikstra
 
then chomp
 
He made computer programming into an art.
 
of course there's the old gods Babbage, Lovelace, and Turing
 
Turing still holds a very special place for me
 
forgot stallman and stroustrup
 
7:24 PM
of course, my professor Dr. Urbain is an eldritch-god-in-training
 
Rossum for python fanboys
 
don't forget stallin
 
@KyleTrauberman i have SP on my computer and I opened it up, watching some videos on it...how do you work on it as a dev? seems like a REALLLy handy tool
 
@Nadal Visual Studio comes with a solution type for it
 
7:26 PM
stored procedure?
 
SharePoint
 
oh, and don't forget Huffman
 
oh
 
he's a minor demigod.
 
Sutherland and engelbart
there's an extended pantheon
 
7:26 PM
@Nadal install VS on a server that has SP2010 installed
and do your dev there
 
i should learn sharepoint
 
makes it a lot easier
 
i have both on the same machine
vs 2010
 
then you're good
 
anyone have a link to a list of Eldrich Gods of Programming or something?
 
nobody is giving me enough attention, i feel neglected
 
@ShotgunNinja minor amount of googling quora.com/…
 
stallman made eating stuff off your foot cool
 
not a really good list imo
 
don't forget that achievement
 
7:28 PM
my graphics professor is in love with phong because, well, she's a graphics professor
 
lol, Lamport
what about Lambert and Blinn?
those are shaders too, right?
 
hey Blinn-Phong is called Phong for a reason
 
because Blinn didn't matter?
 
I know how to fix this error. I just don't want to hammer this nail with a banana.
3
 
cause phong made the original and blinn just modified it
phong created a whole different method of calculating reflection and effusiveness, which was a huge improvement over gouraud
blinn is just an optimization
 
7:31 PM
ah, okay.
 
Lamport is in there for TeKkies
 
I have yet to take advanced computer graphics, that's coming up this year.
but I already know a fair bit about graphics theory and implementation.
 
whats your major?
 
Software Engineering.
 
@ShotgunNinja basically, matrixes. everywhere.
 
7:32 PM
I'm aware.
 
im not sure if my education was terrible or not, i never touched anything like advanced graphics
 
so many matrices
 
undergrad or masters
 
that's why I paid extra close attention in Discrete Math and all of my calculus courses that covered matrices.
 
in my school, graphics is an elective
not required at all
 
7:32 PM
i never touched graphics eithe rlol
 
or was it linear algebra?
 
Linear Algebra
 
3 matrices.
 
basically it was either graphics or AI for me, and I took graphics
cause AI looked hard
 
AI sounds more fun though
 
7:33 PM
turns out graphics wasn't a walk in the park either
 
I already took AI, and the hardest part was juggling an overambitious final project along with a tough work schedule.
I wanted to try to look into AI-assisted Minesweeper solving.
 
what does AI consist of??
how do you go about creating AI? Just a bunch of conditional statements? I'm guessing its a lot harder than that
 
usually AI courses are taught with common AI problems
 
there are some ridiculous heuristic-based Minesweeper solvers, that do rough computations of mine density and empirical probability estimation.
 
stuff that touches computer learning, stuff like that
 
7:34 PM
@Steve A lot. Very much.
 
@Steve, a lot of it is learning how to establish a strong description of a task environment, and learning different approaches to building AI systems for different types of environments.
 
wel, i'm thinking back to the days of Age of Empires, and those guys were retarded, the AI couldn't have been that hard
oh
 
AI is always harder than you think, unless you've done it before.
 
lol yeah, i always seem to think everything is easy until i dig into it.... one of my weaknesses
 
The problem becomes: How do I establish a system capable of responding appropriately to the task at hand?
 
7:36 PM
Here's an old joke my advanced algorithms professor used to tell: Presented, an O(1) heuristic algorithm to determine the n + 1 th prime number given the nth prime:

if(k == 7 || k == 13)
return k + 4;
else
return k + 2;
 
Which is not very different from the problem of requirements elicitation and management.
there are easy problems, hard problems, and NP-complete problems.
 
I thought NP-complete problems = hard problems
 
No, NP-hard does not equal NP-complete.
and P ?= NP
 
there are P problems, RP problems, NP complete problems, and NRP complete problems
 
there's also NP-hard problems.
it's a slightly separate category.
 
7:39 PM
so should i take an advanced networking class or an AI class you think... i think the networking one will be more ... useful considering i don't do game programming, but i would love to take a shot at game programming and having an AI background would sure help things
 
P != NP
guessing
 
I agree, but we can't empirically prove it yet.
Nor can we empirically disprove it.
therefore, P ?= NP
 
NP Complete problems are NP hard problems that can be verified using P algorithms, I think
 
Nor can we prove it unprovable?
 
Yes.
Again, yes.
 
7:40 PM
what the hell is going on
so lost lol
 
the P-NP problem is a major issue in determinism of computing.
 
like clique problem is np complete because you can easily say, given a clique, yo, that's a clique
it's an n^2 algorithm
 
Is there a polynomial time algorithm for the Travelling Salesman?
 
it's effectively asking the key question: How can we prove an as-of-yet unprovable and undisprovable theory?
 
If so, P = NP, otherwise, P != NP
 
7:42 PM
@KendallFrey travelling salesman is isomorphic to subgraph isomorphism, which is isomorphic to every other np complete problem
 
Because all NP-complete problems can be converted in polynomial time to a special case of the Travelling Salesman problem.
 
schrodinger's cat
 
I rather consider P = NP as Problem = No Problem.
 
hence the -complete.
 
if travelling salesman is P-time, then every currently described NP complete problem becomes P-Time
 
7:42 PM
I need a new title other than The bad Programmer. Need suggestions
 
how about just ammar? lol
 
if ANY NP-complete problem (such as Travelling Salesman) is solvable in P-time, then EVERY NP-complete problem (such as wire mapping, AES encryption, etc.) is solvable in P-time.
 
there are, however, eh-lynomial time solutions to a lot of NP-Complete solutions
 
@Steve not enought!
 
Instead of The bad Programmer, why not Zoidberg?
 
7:43 PM
^ LOL
 
@Ammar-Thebadprogrammer Ammar Ahmed
 
@Andredseixas done
 
^ let's not get into this here, okay?
 
@Steve I'll kill u. Haha
 
test of new title
 
7:44 PM
:p
 
might take a whiole to sync to chat
 
Frey, you gonna do something about that, or not?
 
About what?
 
lol nice
 
Steve removed it it's okay
 
7:45 PM
I didn't remove it.
I flagged.
 
@steve This user has been automatically suspended for posting inappropriate content and cannot chat for 29 minutes.
 
With extreme prejudice.
 
poor steve :/
 
puts on shades
 
Oops. :)
 
7:46 PM
BRING STEVE BACK!!
ADAM AND EVE AND NOT ADAM AND STEVE
 
He did it, not us.
 
wait .. wrong chant
 
Need a flag?
 
Oh god somebody found a way to compute primality in P
 
only flag I have
*glasses*
Is the AMERICAN flag
 
7:48 PM
I could change that.
 
when an algorithm is described as O((log(n))^7.5), you run
 
wait, can I get flagged for my opinion on gay marriage?
 
You definitely could, depending how you express it.
 
what if I as something like .. is .net pro-same sex marriage?
 
some of us might be
 
7:49 PM
Answer is No. It doesn't care.
 
others might not
it doesn't really matter
this isn't a political chat room :)
 
True. Quite.
 
oh yeah .. We are not allowed to be off topic here ;)
 
@Ammar-Thebadprogrammer Where is your new profile name ?
 
@Ammar-Thebadprogrammer quite true, this chat needs to be professional and stick with the stated scope to better serve the stack overflow community
 
7:51 PM
That's right, @Ammar-Thebadprogrammer and definitely not allowed to post photos of people "wrestling" with dogs
 
Quick google "dog wrestling". Nope, nothing appropriate.
 
how about Ammar the Adequate Algorithmist
 
it's Algorithmist.
 
already changed it to Ammar- why not Zoidberg. Can only change my name once every month
 
7:53 PM
I dub thee Shogun Ninja, speller of words.
 
Shotgun*
;P
 
test
gah .. did n't update on chat yet
 
And I did go to State in my middle school spelling bee years.
 
It won't until you refresh.
 
I proclaim thee shotgun ninga, professor of pedantry
 
7:55 PM
Doctor*
 
it will take some time for chat to pick up on your name change too
 
:P
must... not... be pedantic... about ninga...
 
I aver thee, shotgun ninjs, a vociferous advocate of verbal veracity
I say, shotgun ninja, you sure swell at spellin'
ostentatious oracle of orthography
Learned Lad of Logograms
 
Verily, my vivacious vadelect.
 
Guru of Grammatical Grapheme Exacitude
 

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