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1:00 PM
but i also believe what I said is another way to do it
 
Ask nadal how he knows all the concepts of business from the one mba book he read.... I think you guys are wasting your time debating with him
 
nadal's formula doesn't take the lagrangian of the cylindrical vectors, he's basically doing it in regular coordinates, not cylindrical coordinates
 
I have no need to use lagrange multiplier or polar coordinates with this...
 
Lagrang.... what? Lol jeez
 
the actual formula is integral (theta = 0 to 2 pi) {integral (r = 0 to r_max) {r dr dtheta} } * h
 
1:01 PM
Isn't finding the area of a square the same concept as integration? All those lines together side by side. Right?
 
nadal has dr dtheta instead of r dr dtheta
 
@Nadal OK, what is your formula for the volume of a cylinder? radius = r, thickness = h
 
@KendallFrey right but integrating around the circle is different than integrating using x,y,z
 
kendal (Pi r^2)*h works
 
if you're using r, theta, h
 
1:02 PM
en.wikibooks.org/wiki/Calculus/Volume look at example 1, pi r^2 *h is found and proven by using calculus and infinite "slices"
 
but there are different ways to doing it such as integration
 
@Nadal Is that the formula you are proving?
 
yeah
 
integral (r = 0 to r_max) {r dr} = r^2 / 2 = r_max^2 / 2 - 0 = r_max^2 / 2
 
@Nadal OK, show me the 'other' formula.
 
1:03 PM
can anyone help me out with MOQ setup?
 
integral (theta = 0 to 2 * pi) {r_max^2 /2 dtheta} = 2 * pi * r_max^2 / 2
 
Your original formula uses unknown variable n. So it isn't usable.
 
total is pi * r_max^2 * h
 
(((Pi*r^2)/n)*h)*2*Pi*r
 
What is n?
 
1:04 PM
 
a big number
 
What exactly?
 
 
the large it is the more accurate your volume
you can take 10,000 for example
 
 
1:04 PM
You're not using it as a variable, you're using it as a constant.
 
 
So infinity should work perfectly?
 
 
Kendall, steve is doing it right
 
@Steve lol way to do the easy version of triple integration
 
1:05 PM
mo ininity wouldnt work
 
(((Pi*r^2)/n)*h)*2*Pi*r is wrong
 
It's the biggest (therefore most accurate number).
 
@HansZ lol? i copied and pasted the images
 
the correct version is 2 * pi * ((r ^ 2 / 2) * n) / n
 
infinity isnt finite a number :S
 
1:06 PM
OK, so 1000000
 
it would go in a infinite loop which wont ever end
 
@Nadal if you're doing integration without using infinite numbers, then you are clearly doing everything wrong with your life
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@HansZ lmao +1
 
Lol
 
@Steve you're calculating it based on a generic prism with base area of A(x)
 
1:07 PM
there is infinite here
 
the hard part is calculating A(x)
 
@Nadal To put it gently, you are full of bullshit.
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@HansZ finding the area isn't hard lol
 
nope
 
OK, prove it.
 
1:08 PM
gimme a pizza and ill prove it
or even a cylindrical shape
 
You have a pizza in the shape of a cylinder. radius is 1. height is 1.
 
is how to do it with integration
 
Find me the volume.
 
ill fill it up with water and then fill the same water into another cylinder with measurement of volume on it
 
1:09 PM
you're finding the area of a circle which is infinitely thin, then adding alllllll of those infinite number of circles up to find the volume
 
yeah steve
once you have the volume of that infinitely thin slice i would integrate
 
I don't know how to read fancy math, so please express all formulas in plain algebra.
The clock is ticking...
 
Okay guys, I'm going to vote we stop talking to @Nadal and I further vote that @Nadal has been been proven demonstrably wrong.
 
@KendallFrey thats the problem you can't...
if you could express calculus with only algebra, then we wouldn't need a thing called calculus lol
 
Calculus can't be written in algebra @Kendall
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1:10 PM
Then explain the notation in simple terms.
 
just like how you can't write trig using addition subtraction
 
Cuz I never took calculus.
 
@Kendall surprised @Nadal hasn't put you on his ignore... about a week ago he was carrying on with this type of crap. I called BS and he put me on his ignore... best ignore I've ever gotten
 
Try the thin stripes approach, Hans
 
1:11 PM
here it is again lol
 
that's a really good primer to calculus
 
 
Think of integration as calculating the area underneath a curve
 
Yeah, I know what it is, but not how to use it.
 
Dude, I suck. I should never be a math teacher,
 
1:12 PM
maths is the most important subject IMO
 
@KendallFrey Let's say I have a weird shape defined by some function
 
Kendall sort of like Messaging for me I guess. I know what it is but I don't know how to use it. :(
 
and I fill it with water
 
That's the integral of f(x)?
 
that right there
 
1:13 PM
yes
 
is what i would be integrating
 
from a to b
 
a is the starting point, b is the ending point
 
is this The Big Bang theory-roleplay chat room?
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1:13 PM
0 to b, b is upper bound
 
Kendall, that is the integral of f(x) with respect to x where x goes from a to b
 
and b is super large number
 
remove the b and a and you get indefinite integral
 
No, just the formula of a pizza.. I guess...
 
0 is the lower bound
 
1:13 PM
@Nadal "b is super large number" is so wrong you have no idea how wrong it is
 
@Nadal I don't think we do 'super large numbers' here
 
Kendall, wave your arms around horizontally.
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@kush dafuq?
 
:S @HansZ
 
1:14 PM
hey kendall, this is a very good explination pythonism.wordpress.com/2009/02/28/beginning-integration
 
are you saying my formula is incorrect or the concept?
 
Everything.
 
kendall just watch a couple of the limits/derivatives/integrals videos at khanacademy.org/math/calculus?k
 
then if the x-co ordinate of your left hand is a and x co ordinate of right hand is b then the integral is the area under your arms
 
they're really short, 5 mins each and do a great job of explaining intro calculus
 
1:15 PM
@Andredseixas dafuq?
 
I understand what intergration is, just not how to express it or calculate integrals.
 
@kush ._. Why you told Kendall to wave his arms horizontally?
 
@Nadal your concepts are wrong, your math is wrong, your explanations show how little your grasp of integration is, and pretty much everything you say decreases the likelihood anybody with a math background will take you seriously
 
kendall
 
lol calculating integrals isn't something to explain over chat
 
1:16 PM
It's 42... always 42... and so long and thanks for all the fish.
 
do u know differentiation
 
@Andredseixas I was trying to explain integration
 
@HansZ if you think my concept on that was wrong i fear your engineering abilities and you should be locked in a dungeon to prevent any contamination or spread :P
 
I know it as well as I know integrals.
 
@kush hahaha I'm so lost in this conversation I have no idea what anyone is saying
 
1:17 PM
integrals are essentially the inverse
 
No @Andredseixas I am not on crystal meth. Just in case you were wondering.
 
@KendallFrey integral of a polynomial x^n = x^(n+1)/(n+1)
integral of c F(x) (where c is a constant, F(x) is a function in x) is c (intgral of F(x))
integral of F(x) + G(x) = integral (F(x)) + integral(G(x))
integral of cos(x) = sin(x)
integral of sin(x) = -cos(x)
those are your basic integration rules
 
Basic? Mind == blown
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cool. I don't get the first one though.
 
differentiation is finding the curve that shows the rate of change of the first curve, so if you have the curve f(x) = 2x^3 + x^2 +x + 3 , then you take the exponent, move it in front of the variable, and multiply by its coefficient, then subtract one from the exponent... so that would end up being f(x) = 2*3*x^2 + 2*x^1 + 1*x^0 + 0* 3
 
1:19 PM
so integral x = integral x ^ 1, right?
so n = 1
integral x = x ^ 2 / 2
 
uh ok
lost again
 
integral of 1 = integral x ^ 0, right?
so n = 0
integral 1 = x ^ 1 / 1
or just x
 
integral of 2 = 2x
 
integral of number? lost...
 
1:20 PM
integral of 2 is the same thing as 2 * (x ^ 0)
because x ^ 0 = 1
think about it this way, integral is the area under the curve, right?
 
Hans, you are a really good teacher.
 
I know that integral of x is x^2, x^2 is x^3, etc.
 
Is this the math version of dueling banjos?
 
so what's the area under the curve y = 1
 
@KendallFrey do you use R# ?
 
1:21 PM
But I don't get what you are trying to say.
 
Kendall, no it is not
x is x^2 / 2
 
@KendallFrey you know how you said your formula is (Pi*r^2)*h?
 
integral x = x ^ 2 / 2, integral x ^ 2 = x ^ 3 /3
 
@HansZ x
 
so, the integral of x^2 dx , first you add 1 to the exponent, then divide the whole thing by the new exponent....... so the integral of x^2 is (1/3)*x^3
 
1:22 PM
@KendallFrey Integral of x^2 is actually 1/3 * x^3
 
It is?
 
mine is the exact same but I take the surface area at top and divide it
so we get same answers at the end
 
@KendallFrey don't nail me on it, but I scored pretty darn good in the last math test :)
 
yeah integral (x ^ n) = x ^ (n + 1) / (n+ 1)
 
yas thats the first rule of integration lol
 
1:23 PM
How the ** did I not know that? It doesn't make sense to me though.
 
for all x, where n != -1
 
Now it does.
I think.
 
integral (x ^ -1) = x ^ 0 / 0
which doesn't make sense
 
OMGGGGGG
 
so integral x^2 from 0 to 1 is 1/3?
 
1:24 PM
ln x?
 
in fact, integral (x ^ -1) = ln(|x|)
@KendallFrey yes
 
lol
 
ooooooooo
 
I just realized, lol!! I have the picture correct inm y head but when I did pi*r^2/n that was wrong LOL
 
1:24 PM
Now I see why it wouldn't work any other way.
@Nadal HAHA :)
 
I think its suppose to be
 
@Nadal lol :)
 
(2*pi*r)/n
 
@Nadal still wrong
 
@HansZ how can you do proper links with WolframAlpha?
 
1:25 PM
cricumference / n?
...
 
(((2*pi*r)/n)*radius)*depth
 
still wrong
 
if n is bign number again
c/n*r*d
 
god damn I am trying to find the area of that thin black slice I showed earlier
 
@KendallFrey so, you got 1/3, and what that is saying is that the area under the curve of x^2 from 0 to 1 on the x axis is 1/3
 
1:26 PM
if I have the circumference
 
then 0.0000000001 * r * d
 
scrum scrum scrum
 
then very small number. WTF?
 
basically, n is infinity
if you're doing integration in any other way, you're doing it wrong
 
1:27 PM
@Steve yep
 
(sorry my brain is sooo dead I cant get the formula correct but know that the diagram I drew is correct with integration)
 
@HansZ yep
 
2 * pi * r / infinity * r * depth = 0
for all finite values of pi, r, and depth
also, if you're not doing an infinite sum somewhere, even implied, you're doing things wrong
 
OK, now I can't figure out how integration applies to the volume of a cylinder. Everything I can think of is simply reducible to algebra.
 
@Nadal stop guessing and just watch the khan academy tutorials on cylindrical integration
 
1:29 PM
I was imagining earlier in my head that doing Pi*r^2/n I would get the top area of a very thin slice but obviously that was wrong HOWEVER with multidimensional integration EVEN that could work because you break the pizza down into small x and y particles and integrate
 
@KendallFrey do you know what polar coordinates are?
 
Yeah, sorta. Spherical or cylindrical?
 
for integrating a cylinder?
 
cylindrical right?
 
Hey guys. How do you remove invalid (path) characters from a string?
 
1:29 PM
right
 
new string(value.Except(Path.GetInvalidPathChars()).ToArray());
 
@HansZ i know how to do it just not in the mood of working with formulas, I am satisfied knowing the concept I have is correct
 
that would be my take...
 
@Nadal how much calculus do you know?
have you taken a course on calc?
 
@yas4891 Do you only want the filename?
 
1:30 PM
what level of calc?
 
@Nadal Well, it doesn't seem to be.
 
yeah, calculus for engineers o.o
 
@LewsTherin assuming user input and need to generate valid directory name from it
 
you cant disagree that the diagra I drew is incorrect :S
 
I can actually.
 
1:31 PM
I am getting the formula wrong but my picture is right
 
@Nadal in my school calculus of engineers involved partial differential equations of the third order
 
The way I see it, you will get twice the volume you should.
 
yeah we did that
 
@yas4891 I see... what are you using to create the file?
 
@Nadal at no point did you say the words "theta" "cylindrical coordinates" "polar coordinates" or "around the circle"
 
1:31 PM
@LewsTherin FileStream
 
All this maths making me depressed :(
 
you still have no idea how to do integration in r, theta, and z
 
I dont need those for this though, the "around the circle" I showed in picture
i used black paint i.i
 
@yas4891 I would think FileStream has some kind of flag for just that..
 
@Nadal prove you know how to integrate in cylindrical coordinates: what is the integral of 1/r in cylindrical space?
 
1:33 PM
>.> I cant do that
its been 4 months since I last did it
 
boundrary conditions, z = 0, z = 1, r = 0 to 1, theta = 0 to 2 pi
 
probably longer
 
LOL
 
okay what type of integral would you set up
 
a true student :9
 
1:34 PM
why would you need to do that for integrating a cylinder? or am i missing something
 
WTF it starts raining and I smell blood???
 
double, triple, or cosine?
 
@Steve I guess it's just a sort of "who has got the longer wiener"
 
gimme some conceptual question
 
@Steve You don't, but that's literally the easiest cylindrical coordinates integration you can do
 
1:35 PM
I cant remember shit from class XD
atleast the formula crap
 
oh okay, i was going to say, i've only taken calc 2, and we didn't need any of that lol
 
yeah
thats what it is
 
it literally comes out to be 2 pi
 
we do calc 1 and its itnegration etc, then you dont need to know any of that for the rest of your years because next thing that I have is linear algebra
 
@KendallFrey must be the baby paint we put on yesterday
 
1:36 PM
@Nadal name a subspace of R3
 
R3 is?
 
@HansZ we get it man, you're good at math, he isn't attacking you or your ego
 
the vector space formed by the following basis : (1, 0, 0), (0, 1, 0), (0, 0, 1)
 
lol I just did first year engineering xD
 
relax lol
 
1:37 PM
@Nadal keep your cool. You don't need to know everything
 
@Nadal I'm just saying, if you don't know the math don't pretend to know math you don't know
 
@yas4891 yeah i kinda figured lol, apparently after you graduate you dont need all that crap
 
oh @KendallFrey did you ban me yesterday to delete the anal post? i forgive you
 
@HansZ I am not some nerd that sits and memmorizes formulas in class, all I care about is getting through with the course and thats about it, I dont study hardcore hours either
 
Not ban, but i did approve the flags.
 
1:40 PM
omg drop it or im going to start punching kittens
 
lol steve u shuda seen the pic I got muted for :P
 
Punching kittens? YAY!
 
@Nadal I'm sorry for understanding basic concepts in the classes you claimed to take
 
@KendallFrey lol thanks, i didn't want those up there any more than you
 
it was totally educational though
 
1:40 PM
@Steve You can remove the message.
Or get me to.
 
hans ur what like 25? im 20 gimme a break lol
 
i thought there was a time limit on that
 
@Nadal I just turned 21
 
and you said earlier you were a graduate xD
 
There is, but I can remove old messages.
 
1:41 PM
I am
 
the time when you were explaining transistors n stuff
 
I'm doing my masters in the fall
 
lol
hmm
i graduate at 25
mine is 5 year program
 
Sucks
 
@KendallFrey gotcha, i'll keep that in mind. Can you remove the starred one about me ... well you'll see
 
1:42 PM
so you just started your 5 year program?
 
"The sound of me{....}"
 
kinda, I jus finished 1st year now im on Co-op which is work term
 
Ask him how he already knows all MBA concepts...
 
I can remove it.
 
isn't that a bit late?
 
1:42 PM
this program is where you alternate between school and work
 
i appreciate it
 
no, you enter university here at around 18-19
 
@Nadal where are you from?
 
canada
 
I mean 19 is late, no?
17-18 is when you graduate high school
 
1:44 PM
yeah but now im gonig 2nd year
so technically im in 2nd year
you have 8 months university then 4 months job
 
but then how are you graduating at 25?
oh is it a bs/ms program?
 
yeah
@HansZ do you have weekly labs when you had university?
 
I did for intro level science courses
like physics, bio, and chem
 
:S
 
and for intro level ee classes
 
1:47 PM
you had bio and chem?
 
yeah
required for all engineers
 
I only had chem first term
 
@KendallFrey can you remove it? lol yesterday at 4 28 pm
 
I only had chem I and chem lab
 
all the way to final years I have 3-4 labs weekly
 
1:47 PM
we just have work you need to do in a lab
like my fpga class was all labwork
 
labs for physics, labs for digital systems, VHDL programming on FPGA, labs for robotics
 
but there were "office hours" not labs
 
o
 
I cant figure out how to get to it. Let me ask on meta.
 
I mean if I end up taking the nanofabrication class next year that's gonna be all labs
 
1:48 PM
okay
 
I have around 7-9 hours of lectures daily and 2-3 labs weekly which are 3 hours each
 
i need to stop saying stupid shit that people want to star
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all our courses have lectures as well as labs
11-13 tests and assignments weekly too
university of waterloo -> computer engineering
 
your classes seem more structured than mine
we just have a shit load of work and projects
and they're all like, just do this stuff
how many classes is that?
per semester?
 
it depends, first year was 6, second year is 7
 
1:52 PM
@Steve You're not quite there yet :P
 
3rd-4th year is 7
 
oh damn
 
lmao
 
how many credits per class?
 
thats why i said i only worry about getting the focking degree, you become hobo looking after exam time
 
1:52 PM
did that message get stars? i can't see them because of a glitch, and i'm too lazy to restart my browser
 
you dont choose your courses they do it for u
 
2 so far
 
@Nadal how many credits on average?
 
ahaha
i g2g i'll be back later
 
that seems rough, though 6 3 credit classes is a lot better than 6 4 credit classes
 
1:55 PM
this will sound strange but I am not sure what credits are for, we do have them but I just focus on getting to next term, the idea is that if you have 60%+ average you pass but if a single course is below 50% you fail
 
credits are for counting how much course work you've done
like a 4 credit class is about 30% more work than a 3 credit class on average
 
0.5
 
so if you fail a single 3 credit class, and have to retake it, it's better than retaking a 4 credit class
 
they said something like grade 4 or 5
if thats what ur referring to
other than that it doesnt mention anything
"transfer to ECE 124 is only possible with a grade of 4 or 5"
i am not sure if that is what you mean
 
GPA?
 
1:58 PM
the only credit I see is 0.5 and there is a limit
 
GPA you need to get into the program is 85% average or more but their cutoff is really 90%
 
man canada's weird
our gpas are on the 0-4.0 scale
 

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