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6:00 PM
is the django room empty?;)
 
I can't
dunno why, I should have some score in django
this is really going to suck :d
 
I would like to propose a temporary moratorium on posting new SOD entries here until we can work out an agreed approach at the forthcoming meeting.
 
you want us to...SOD off?
 
yeah it is a bit pointless if we even cannot review them :D
 
Can we at least bitch and whinge about it, within reason?
 
6:02 PM
ofc
 
@Antti I approved it
I'm pretty sure I don't have any django score
 
my view on stackoverflow docs is that they ought to either remove repgains for now or altogether close it for some time
 
Fine by me :-) A stream of onebox + "review plz" is going to get old fast though. No offence @uoɥʇʎPʎzɐɹC but it's already annoying me.
 
Let it be heard: people want explanation to accompany examples in their Documentation! — Cody Gray 21 mins ago
 
well it could be no-one-box and ...
 
6:04 PM
@ZeroPiraeus the problem is of course that you cannot not-onebox a review
 
What’s SOD?
 
whaat?
@poke SO docs
 
@AndrasDeak doesn't work.
 
SO Docs.
 
@AndrasDeak oh
 
6:04 PM
@AnttiHaapala URL in code?
 
you put a link to SOD with text, the text is removed and onebox appears.
 
there has to be a way...love will find it
 
only url in code.
but then no one can open it.
 
I was looking at Wikipedia and urban dictionary but wasn’t sure.
 
@AnttiHaapala seriously?:P
 
6:05 PM
need to copy-paste, who copy-pastes anything these days besides everyone on stackoverflow
 
don't make me call you "dude"
 
@AndrasDeak seriously.
meta.stackoverflow.com/questions/328649/… hoho... topics and subtopics
 
Also, I checked, and I have 0 django posts. So you should be able to approve anything, @Antti
 
dunno
 
maybe you reached your review limit for today?
Fizzy had something like that
 
6:10 PM
30
 
@Ffisegydd now you need to whet your shit shovel so that it's nice and sharp for tomorrow
Also, I asked google translate to translate köszörű (whetstone) for me; it told me the translation of koszorú (wreath). Reeeeal helpful, google.
 
@Andras I'd say "sharpen" for that :P
 
but you actually speak English:P
(I'll keep it in mind, thanks)
 
Wouldn't use whet as a verb, though it's not incorrect.
 
6:13 PM
Oh wow, internet… there are videos from the shooting…
 
It's just rare.
 
good to know:)
 
@AndrasDeak had you translated that into Finnish, now you'd had a Finnish word that I didn't know what it means :D
 
the grammatical structure seemed straightforward to me, as it's common that way in Hungarian
 
Yeah it's a perfectly fine word to use, it's just so rare that I wasn't even sure it was correct and had to Google it :P
 
6:15 PM
sure, I got that
there's no point in using correct language that nobody understands
 
Sure there is.
 
And from the Book of Armaments Deuteronomy:
13 Carry a shovel with the rest of your gear; once you have relieved yourself, use it to dig a hole, then refill it, covering your excrement.

14 Do these things because the Lord your God travels with you, right in the middle of your camp, ready to save you and to hand your enemies over to you. For this reason your camp must be holy. The Lord must not see anything indecent among you, or he will turn away from you.
 
It's what makes physics so fun.
 
for instance, injection in Hungarian is "inkejció", and the active verb form should be "injiciál", which most people don't understand. The incorrect version, "injektál" is much clearer......
 
What's the point in a PhD if you're not going to say stuff like "number-concentration Bhatia-Thornton coordination number".
 
6:17 PM
^ that is why in the army I needed to drag that stupid shovel everywhere..
 
I'm sure that should be an en-dash:P
@AnttiHaapala no shit:D
 
Apropos of nothing:
 
@AndrasDeak 13 És legyen ásócskád a fegyvered mellett, hogy mikor leülsz kivül, [gödröt] áss azzal és ha felkelsz, betakarhassad azt, a mi elment tõled
wat
 
wtf
 
6:22 PM
German police says now: 3 gunmen
 
that's some cryptic shit
@AnttiHaapala "And let you have a little spade [sic] next to your weapon, so that when you sit outside, dig a hole with it, and so when you get up, you can cover up that which has gone from you"
my people don't like talking about poo, it seems
 
:P
this is an older translation I guess :D
just picked some at random
 
I rather like to whet things. Particularly my appetite. I'd probably hone a blade on my whetstone though. Or alliteratively sharpen a shit shovel :)
 
@JRichardSnape thanks, Professor:) (and cabbage)
I had no idea that you whet your appetite with an h (not that I had given it any thought)
+1 for honing your blade, JRR Martin agrees
 
user559633
mmalina
 
6:31 PM
@tristan Kalinka, kalinka, kalinka moya. V sadu yagoda, malinka, malinka moya. (?)
 
@Kevin I can't escape the Kevining.
 
None of the last page of chat makes sense except for the clown picture.
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user559633
@AndrasDeak gf's account. screen didn't wake, so that's her username on my computer
 
user559633
omg don't hack my planet
 
6:34 PM
@MorganThrapp I'm a little worried about that question because the OP might actually be asking "how does it work under the hood, that a modification made in one scope can change a value in another scope?" in which case all he needs is a quick 500 page rundown on all the technology between transistors and the CPython source
 
in Documentation Public Beta, 2 mins ago, by Jon Ericson
@davidism Voting != moderation.
 
What. The. Yam?!
 
@Kevin Oh, I didn't even think about that. I really hope not.
 
user559633
disregard internet points, acquire inner peace
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6:35 PM
Finnish army standard issue shitshovel
 
user559633
here in america, we flush our shits using modern plumbing
 
user559633
unfortunately, sometimes the shit america flushes doesn't sink and runs for president
3
 
@tristan and what is more unfortunate is that the shit always wins? :d
 
user559633
"no matter who wins, we all lose" - us politics
 
6:37 PM
That shovel reminds me of the zombie-killing multitool in World War Z. The sharp blade is excellent for beheading zeds and covering your excrement.
Possibly consecutively, if it's a particularly frightening battle.
 
user559633
"thankfully", in america, the president doesn't really make the decisions, his party does
 
@Kevin it is.
 
hooray for globally rational decisions governing international politics
 
user559633
so we could elect a megalomaniac puppet that puts a gender card over where her earnesty should be, and as long as the rest of the system works, we'll all be okay
 
user559633
or, if that's offensive, what an average walmart shopper thinks a smart man is like
 
user559633
6:39 PM
[i just got back from running errands in the suburb]
 
@tristan so what is your description of the other candidate :D
 
user559633
we only have two candidates. if we didn't have first-past-the-goalpost, people might have a say, and walmart can't have that
 
Why did I join the Docs Room? I blame @david
 
user559633
extreme self-dislike?
 
Masochism FTW. Or FTL really, I suppose?
 
user559633
6:47 PM
@corvid i wonder what happens if we disable debug on you
 
user559633
jk no one messes with webpack after it starts working
 
user559633
Fuck the world or for the lose?
 
pls don't deploy me to production
 
user559633
deploy the crow!
 
6:49 PM
cloudatcost sells virtual servers for one time payment
$42 for a virtual server forever....
sounds legit, no.
 
user559633
that worked out so well for that ruby hosting company
 
user559633
oh wait no it didn't, they totally bailed on their customers and didn't honor that arrangement
 
@tristan That is my slogan when I am running for StackOverflow president
 
user559633
>LAST LOCATION: BRAZIL, IN
going to optimistically reading this as "Brazil, Indiana" and not that my CPU cooler is somewhere "In Brazil"
 
"Last location: not in Brazil" wouldn't inspire much confidence either
 
6:52 PM
@tristan wonder how many people go see Olympics there.
 
user559633
although i'd believe that there were so many empty seats for the rio olympics that brazil started paying for standard freight packages to fill the seats
 
user559633
@AnttiHaapala far too many
 
"city of 8000 people" and "The Brazil Clay County Airport is a public-use airport located in Clay County, 3 nautical miles (5.6 km; 3.5 mi) south of Brazil's central business district."
"We own 5 % of the Brazil's central business district"
blooming central business district of Brazil
 
user559633
looks like a fine place to get stabbed and robbed. oops, wrong brazil. looks like an okay place to buy oxycontin and/or shake&bake meth
 
You guys are silly, it's a booming central business district. With grenades.
 
6:58 PM
I thought it is not appropriate to call my hometown a "city"
 
well do you have a business district?:P
 
after all there are only 200k residents here.
 
oh you meant Brazil, Indiana
nevermind me then
 
I can't believe my view that "Q&A model is good" is so controversial in the docs room.
 
7:02 PM
something something docs room
 
Ok I'll join in there to troll
 
user559633
are people interested in seeing another FTL stream?
 
user559633
i'd imagine it's tired at this point
 
@AnttiHaapala I delegate my portion of snark to you; I've already had coffee
@tristan \o/
 
7:03 PM
I did have two cups.
Vietnamese.
 
how does that relate to European coffee?
 
user559633
I like the way the Vietnamese think about coffee.
 
user559633
strong coffee + condensed milk
 
And by that I mean proper coffee, not some German or English monstrosity
 
You see, not all knowledge can be conveyed through Q&A due to mumble Godel's incompleteness mumble Cantor diagonalization mumble mumble progressive tax. I hope that clears things up.
 
7:04 PM
@tristan Umm.... has there been one that's had a win case yet?
 
user559633
i should probably do a docs thing to get my rep to 10k
 
user559633
@JonClements there has not been.
 
Well, I did manage to complain about the deficiencies of 3d plotting in matplotlib in the corresponding docs topic, which is otherwise only available in half answers here and there on SO, and a note in the FAQ
 
Vietnamese coffee is the best coffee.
 
user559633
1pm EDT, 1700 UTC work for people?
 
7:05 PM
Sunday?
 
user559633
Oh, yes, Sunday, sorry.
 
possible, I'll try to make it:) (I'll never be able to say anything more certain than that, sorry)
 
user559633
is there a time that works better? i'm still trying to figure out what time is good for a recurring thing
 
(so if there's nobody else, don't prepare)
not really, it's just determined on a local time scale whether I can stick around
well, the later the better as a rule of thumb, but since I can't make certain plans, I shouldn't be a high weight feature in your optimization:)
that sentence looks as if it was hewn together with a pitchfork, I hope it makes sense
 
user559633
it does. so, later works? e.g. 1900 UTC or later?
 
user559633
7:09 PM
Trying to find a nice time slot that's afternoon-lull for east coast people, lunchtime for west coast, and not f-u late for europe
 
in Documentation Public Beta, 3 mins ago, by davidism
When so many questions are being brought up and "wait and see" is always the response, it starts sounding more and more like "we didn't put thought into it so we don't have a clear response". This is why I'm unhappy with seeing that response everywhere.
@tristan no time for FTL, busy stirring up drama.
 
that's as good as it gets for me, but I'm worried it might be too late for the growner uppers on my side of the water
@davidism till Sunday?:P
 
At least.
 
user559633
@davidism :( can you make this weekend? it's fun to have someone else on that really knows what's going on
 
@tristan yeah, I can make it this weekend.
 
user559633
7:10 PM
the docs that are already written for python are decent enough that i don't want to bother
 
user559633
maybe i could do a basic flask one
 
except for noon tomorrow.
 
user559633
@davidism \o/
 
@tristan you shouldn't, it's bad for your health
 
I'm in (at any of the so-far-proposed times)
Just because I want to hear you pronounce my twitch handle again though @tristan ;-)
 
7:11 PM
even in a peripheral tag like numpy there's little traffic, all chaos
 
user559633
@ZeroPiraeus :D
 
user559633
If I have time after going from (where i am now) and (home), it will be on the new computer build and the chroma key setup will be in play, so it will be considerably higher quality than the last one
 
very mildly related: I installed twilight (f.lux-ish app for android) on my phone
it's...red:D
 
user559633
I'll do 1pm EDT/1700 UTC, and as FTL streams typically last 3-4 hours, that should mean that you can catch some @AndrasDeak
 
perfect, thanks:)
 
7:13 PM
@AndrasDeak it's amazing how quickly you get used to that.
 
even 17 UTC could work, I just meant that the later the time, the higher the chance that the missus will have fallen asleep:P
@MartijnPieters I guess the real point should be doing the same to my laptop:) That's what I keep staring at all night
but I'm not a particularly progressive guy, gotta take my time
(and I like blue)
 
Got your card yet T-Dog?
Would be good to have some way to provide actual feedback on your badness and armchair general your strategy.
 
user559633
FTL Stream: Sunday, 24-July; EDT 1PM; UTC 1700 twitch.tv/0xkeen
 
user559633
@Ffisegydd Should be arriving tomorrow at my apartment.
 
@tristan + Sunday
 
user559633
7:16 PM
@AndrasDeak cheers
 
cbg and all that.
 
user559633
I don't want to tell my girlfriend to wait around for the video card to be delivered, because it's absurd to tell her what to do with her time so i can play video games more enjoyably, but at the same time, i sort of want to order sushi to the apartment as a surprise in a curiously convenient time for USPS to have someone at home
 
cbg:)
 
user559633
hey mgilson
 
7:19 PM
Happy today to you.
 
hey @Andy:)
 
@tristan btw what was the ruby hosting business you referred to earlier?
 
Howdy @AndrasDeak
 
I didn't want to bother you, I just haven't seen you around here:)
 
I pop in occasionally. :)
 
user559633
7:36 PM
@AnttiHaapala i forget, but it was some ruby or rails host that offered a lifetime plan, then decided that they didn't want to offer it anymore and cancelled it
 
textdrive
/ joyent
 
hi hello
 
anyone knows which mysql lib I should use with sqlalchemy ://
 
Wooo, PyCharm crash number 2 today!
Seriously, do not update if you're lucky enough to not have done it yet.
Ooops. Thank god for source control. I just did shutil.rmtree one directory too high and deleted my whole project!
 
7:53 PM
Friday. Friday. Friday.
 
@MorganThrapp which version
@MorganThrapp right now I am usign.. phpstorm :D:D:d
 
2016.2
 
user559633
@idjaw Are you gonna get down? You gotta get down on Friday
 
@tristan You better believe it. I'm now trying to decide which seat can I take.
 
rebecca black trolling? you guys need to hang out on the bridge more
 
7:55 PM
Booyah, recuva was able to restore all 747 files that I deleted out of my workspace with my idiocy!
 
we have elevated it to an art form
 
user559633
what bridge?
 

 The Bridge

General Arqade Chat. We tried to leave once, but the door lock...
 
user559633
Pass
 
user559633
I'd just troll the bridge and slay your adventurers
 
7:55 PM
:D
 
Utah. Get me two.
 
user559633
@Ffisegydd Yeah, I should have got grabbed the $1200 video card so i could not work on my business even more meaningfully
 
Pretty sure you can spare some vc money for some
 
user559633
need them FPS for our VR blockchain internet of things security startup
 
7:57 PM
I just don't understand how your business would work without VR support
 
user559633
i literally don't understand how anything works without VR
 
user559633
or IoT
 
user559633
How does bread become toast when all it has to work with is heated coils?
 
how do the heated coils know when to turn on without wifi connectivity?
 
Just buy 4 1060s for mega computational power
 
user559633
7:58 PM
but how will the twa^Hits on twa^Hitter know when my toast is done
 
user559633
heat your home with 4x 1080s in SLI
 
upload to tumblr -> check my IoT toast bae
hell yes to getting toasted on a Monday morning
 
user559633
uhhh you're toasting the bread? talk about privilege
 
user559633
think of the power dynamic at play if you can just decide that the bread is going to become toasted
 
8:01 PM
@tristan clearly it should be decided by a retweet competition
 
@ZeroPiraeus sorry :)
 
We need to figure out how we can save even more time by making the bread get to the toaster
wait
toasters need a rack
of course!
 
I'm having trouble with the VMProf web interface and the JIT: vmprof.com/#/95e59c40083ac44c63b8272fd2bcfbff/traces
 
user559633
and the JIT? are you in the correct room?
 
@tristan it's PyPy
 
user559633
8:02 PM
ah, okay
 
@tristan Porting python 3 code to PyPy to is easy, I've discovered
 
user559633
yeah, it's sometimes not that bad to do pypy or jython
 
user559633
i was cython-ing everything for a while
 
cython... is ok
 
user559633
it's pretty cool, especially for areas that just run stdlib python over simple types
 
8:04 PM
ye
 
There are a number of other interesting projects to bring JIT to python ...
I'm particularly interested in DropBox's take on it ... github.com/dropbox/pyston
 
I changed a try-except clause into a ternary operator and my code sped up by 5x on pypy
@mgilson difference vs. PyPy?
 
pyston isn't ready for prime-time yet ...
However, they plan on supporting a custom version of the python C-API.
Which means that C-extensions will "just work" (eventually)...
 
PyPy 3 is slower than PyPy 2, you know
 
python3.x is frequently slower than python2.x in a lot of benchmarks as well ...
unicode everywhere isn't (completely) free.
 
user559633
8:06 PM
yep. i see ~20% penalty for py3
 
@mgilson PyPy 3 is still experimental, but all I had to do to port was remove type annotations
 
That's silly ... Seems like updating the parser's syntax would be one of the easier parts of that move, but perhaps I'm just naive ...
 
Have you peaches and pairs heard of the tqdm module?
@mgilson I mean porting MY code
 
Right. And I mean that it's silly from the pypy side that they don't support function annotations yet.
 
tqdm is a progress bar module that's MUCH simpler than the well-established progressbar
@mgilson ye
 
8:08 PM
Seems like it would be a pretty easy thing to do.
But, maybe they don't care about that functionality as much.
 
yeah
you just wrap tqdm.tqdm around any iterable in a for loop and then you get a progress bar
 
I personally don't use function annotations much anyway. The function definitions get too cluttered and I find it harder to tell what's going on.
But that's just my 2c.
Maybe the pypy folk agree.
Any iterable?
 
@mgilson what editor do you use
@mgilson any iterable
(removed)
 
How do you have a progress bar for an infinite generator?
Ahh ... Not any iterable :-)
Any sized iterable (which is getting it's own ABC in python3.6 I believe)
 
@mgilson inf generator doesn't have a len, but it does show you statistics
 
8:10 PM
Pretty cool.
 
only 60ns overhead, compared to progressbar module's 800 ns
has time prediction too
by default
@mgilson
 
Here's the transcript of the discussion about Q&A vs Docs votes, if anyone's interested: sopython.com/transcript/9/docs-vs-q-a-rep-model
It's a lot easier to follow when you cut out the five other discussions going on. :-)
The only conclusion we kind of reached is that rep from votes might be proportional to percentage of change.
 
how shitty can MySQL be
I entered incorrect column name in create foreign key, and mariadb 10 reports
ERROR 1005 (HY000): Can't create table foo.#sql-425_1ce` (errno: 150 "Foreign key constraint is incorrectly formed")`
 
@AnttiHaapala use postgres
 
@uoɥʇʎPʎzɐɹC .........
 
user559633
8:22 PM
use mongodb
 
@AnttiHaapala if it's a server
 
@uoɥʇʎPʎzɐɹC I am fixing a FSCKEN PHP PROJECT.
 
user559633
use excel as a database, stored in elasticsearch
 
@AnttiHaapala oh, php rolls eyes
 
use a CSV file.
 
8:23 PM
MySQL is more strict than postgres, from what I've done.
 
user559633
output it to a line printer and use computer vision to repopulate your objects
 
who doesn't want an ArrayField?
 
@tristan -- that's too advanced a solution.
 
@tristan I don't love rep because internet points - I love rep because I get to place bounties with them
 
computer vision? When I was a kid, computers couldn't see and we did just fine.
 
user559633
8:24 PM
record the data in the form of interpreted dance, then call in the dance troupe when you need to access the data
 
So, Mongo?
 
PHP and MYSQL, crap: meet turd
 
user559633
@uoɥʇʎPʎzɐɹC i thought about writing some docs, but then i remembered i don't want to
 
user559633
crap, meet running lots of business
 
@tristan why not? I got 200 rep, lol
 
user559633
8:24 PM
because writing and effort and meh
 
So, now I finlly referenced the correct column and what error do I get?
 
@tristan yeah, but fixing problems that others would fix for you for bounty also takes effor
 
user559633
E_IS_PLATYPUS ?
 
A FRIKKIN' ERROR 1452 (23000): Cannot add or update a child row: a foreign key constraint fails (foo.#sql-425_1ce, CONSTRAINT #sql-425_1ce_ibfk_1` FOREIGN KEY (customer_id) REFERENCES customer (id))`
 
user559633
sounds like you have a FK constraint that fails
 
8:25 PM
no shit
 
@AnttiHaapala ERROR_KRAKEN_NOT_FED
 
user559633
yeah, i think it's an error 1452 or something
 
good that it can tell fscken where.
 
user559633
have you checked your constraints? maybe around customer ids
 
and then n00bs say "MySQL is so easy touse"
slaps tristan
 
user559633
8:26 PM
mysql is pretty easy to use
 
@tristan this is a PHP program,
 
user559633
easier than remembering postgres commands
 
user559633
php rules boys drool
 
@tristan it was a fscken myisam all over. MyISAM MyISAM über alles!
 
What's the matter with a little drool?
Dogs do it and people seem to love them.
 
user559633
8:27 PM
oh, then use innodb
 
user559633
it's _inno_vative
 
@tristan of course I am now using innodb
otherwise it wouldn't fail at the foreign keys,
 
user559633
all you need to know about dogs: ADAGB
 
user559633
all dogs are good boys
 
it would succeed (and do nothing)
 
user559633
8:29 PM
lol sorry for crop dust trolling; i can't even feign interest in digging the corpse of a non-framework mysql/php project out of the grave
 
so no wonder: a PHP shit project that is basically one 20kline if statement
 
user559633
that's a load-bearing if
 
uses myisam for db, the schema is crap and full of constraint errors.
 
user559633
well, they're not called _pro_straints for a reason
 
8 dead in munich
 
user559633
8:31 PM
:(
 
user559633
i legitimately don't understand that violence
 
something something you are different, die
I assume we'll all be seeing some more of that, looking at the world
 
user559633
i mean, if someone hurt someone i cared about, i could see beating them to death in a fit of rage, but planning to just shoot strangers? the fuck is wrong with your brain
 
evolution
 
user559633
sure, use the shield of religion to mask how fucked you are, but there is something deeply wrong about you and the people around you
 
8:36 PM
@AnttiHaapala that is so messed up
 
To be fair, people have been killing each other for millenia.
Only in modern times have we started expecting ourselves to act like something other than animals.
When you keep in mind how animals kill each other over all sorts of things (food, mating, etc), it's actually quite surprising how far we've come.
I'm not saying that it isn't horrible or anything ... I'm just saying that it's surprising that with how much the media plays off fear and with how instantly we can know about things happening everywhere in the world -- It's amazing that we don't hear more stories like this.
 
user559633
I don't think it's amazing that we don't hear more. We're in an age in which it's considered normal that every man pays some amount of money to take care of strangers. It's not this animalistic existence where we're forced at each others throats for resources.
 
I think we evolved to be aggressive assholes, and the very recent developments of civilization can't undo that so quickly. So it's way too easy for someone smart and/or crazy to bring out the savage beast from a collection of people (which we know is much more stupid than any individual human)
the thing is you just have to push a bit here and there, and the rest of the social Rube Goldberg machine aimed at Killing All Humans™ starts going
 
user559633
8:51 PM
I'm wondering when the next stage will happen; the "fuck this" stage.
 
after kindling a few crazy/stupid people to do horrible things, the response from the rest of the crazy/stupid people will ensure that shit keeps brewing
 

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