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9:00 AM
@tripleee On the flipside, now there's a bunch of people saying debian is a feminist no-go-zone
 
@Cerbrus huh??
 
I'm not saying women are useless. It's just that we don't specifically need women.
 
Unreasonable people, yes. But there is no way to do this without drama and lots of fallout
 
I'm becoming feministist
 
@Cerbrus you are not content with throwing 50% of the talent pool out the window?
 
9:01 AM
Jeez....
 
It's not like the industry is going to die if we keep working at this male:female percentage
 
People, you are going down a road that I really do not like.
We went down that road before.
 
I do think this making everything 50/50 idea is a fallacy. I think its important to provide opportunities to those who have the drive and talent to become developers, but I don't think that has to be 50% women, in the same way that never will 50% of child care workers be men.
 
And it did not end nicely.
 
Guys, I'm saying that it doesn't matter what gender someone is.
 
9:01 AM
OK, let's all stop here
 
Who cares if the new trainee is a man or a woman
 
@Cerbrus - Your government :P
2
 
@Cerbrus please stop, I think we agree now that this is not taking a good turn
 
@TheLostMind Screw them :-/
 
Let's talk about something more enjoyable :)
 
9:02 AM
We can't screw the government. They're already screwing us.
 
Thats the story everywhere ^
 
@tripleee You're implying I'm biased against women. I just want to make it very clear that I don't care about gender. That's it.
 
If you weren't, I misunderstood you.
 
What'd you guys flag this as?
Unclear?
 
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9:05 AM
@FirstStep really good thanks. Shame to finish
 
@Seth why can people still use ? I thought it was already gone
 
@Adriaan Nope :| Far from it. The tag will vanish once all of the questions have been purged.
Which will still take a fair bit of time I believe.
Hopefully it gets blacklisted after being burninated fully.
> I have three tables
Continues to post 2 screenshots of a table, and naming 2 tables.
???
 
@Yvette where did you vacation?
I imagine australia is blisteringly hot this time of year
 
user3956566
@Magisch Queensland, rural Queensland with family
 
user3956566
nope it's spring, the heat is in Dec, Jan
 
9:09 AM
@Magisch Nevermind Australia, it's lethally hot here in the Netherlands.
 
I would guess even the British are sweating now?
Brits?
 
@Cerbrus C'mon. Of course we need them. Lets start with common UX and usability of systems. Whenever I have to work with women who need to use a particular software, I'll get nudged into that shit where it seriously fails regarding intuitivity and usability.
 
@πάνταῥεῖ First of all, read.
 
@Cerbrus 32°C Mid september. This is completly unheard of here
 
@πάνταῥεῖ - Please don't start it again . It won't end well :P
 
9:11 AM
Stop, please :| ...........
 
@πάνταῥεῖ let's stop the discussion
 
If you're going to reply late to an discussion that's already ended, at least read.
Sorry, I'm a bit annoyed with this discussion and false accusations.
 
@Magisch : Give me reference of my question. — Virb 3 mins ago
 
@Cerbrus No one wants to read lengthy user manuals. When did you do this recently with for example setting up a settopbox or so?
 
>_>
 
9:13 AM
@πάνταῥεῖ ... wat
 
Could we all agree to disagree & move on with our lives now?
 
@Seth No.
Hehe
 
._.
 
I'm disagreeing, isn't that what you wanted? :P
 
OK, who the hell flagged that?
 
9:15 AM
what?
 
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@JanDvorak I don't know, but confronting people like that is not going to get the person to speak up
 
@TheLostMind Why it won't end well? I'm not trying to bring that failed discussion from meta here again. But there are serious points that need to be conceived and well reflected regarding gender discrimination in our business.
 
Correction: why was that flagged?
 
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@JanDvorak as for the rest of us, we'd be brawling with you by now if we found it offensive ;)
 
@πάνταῥεῖ If you actually read the damn chat, you'd see the message you replied to has long been resolved.
 
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9:16 AM
@JanDvorak I think it was offensive to Christians referring to the bible as a lengthy manual
 
user3956566
But it could be considered a lengthy manual on life
 
@JanDvorak I don't know, but I really must say that this room is really weird once a heated discussion starts :|
 
I'm a Christian and I find it just fine to refer to it as a manual for life
 
Thats just what I meant when I said SO is not the avenue for social discussions
 
user3956566
> Whenever I have to work with women who need to use a particular software, I'll get nudged into that shit where it seriously fails regarding intuitivity and usability.
 
9:17 AM
We're too diverse to come to any sort of agreement without lots of collateral damage and mud flinging
 
user3956566
@πάνταῥεῖ I don't even understand what you're saying
 
Jeez ...
 
user3956566
@JanDvorak I just made the same comment, but it wasn't flagged looks around nervously
 
Why do these discussions always start right when Tunaki is afk and rene & NO are gone
 
@Yvette please stop
 
9:18 AM
@Yvette slack?
 
Seriously, guys, could we please cut this crap right now? We all have different opinions on the matter.
 
Bitcoin is getting swamped with spam. Anyone willing to clean up or even join Charcoal?
 
I too agree that this is an important discussion, but this room is not the forum for that
 
And it's really not helping anyone if we continue trying to enforce our opinion as the right one.
 
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@tripleee sure. @Tunaki sure. You guys understand this is my first time back in this room for more than two minutes in the past week?
 
9:18 AM
@Cerbrus I have to admit I missed some messages here, when posting that.
 
@JanDvorak Omw.
 
@Yvette sure, no sweat
 
@Yvette How were your vacations?
 
and welcome back
 
user3956566
@Tunaki FANTASTIC!!!
 
user3956566
9:20 AM
@tripleee thanks :)
 
@Yvette You never felt discriminated in your job? Well, you're a tough and mature woman though. I have to develop my daughter somehow, that she'll becomes the same toughness and self confident.
 
. . . . . . . . . .
 
@πάνταῥεῖ Cut it off already
goddamn
 
Just make a different chatroom and discuss there
before the flower comes and nukes all of us
 
@Cerebrus we could use another chatroom if you feel annoyed.
 
9:22 AM
Go do so
 
Don't think the flower is what'll nuke us here, the fish will be faster :3
Or even the crazy guy o.o
 
@Seth I don't have mod powers.
 
@Cerbrus Not that crazy guy :P
 
@FirstStep EditText
 
The other crazy guy (the one that keeps losing other peoples minds)
 
9:25 AM
@Yvette nice
@Seth lol
 
Did anyone of you ever checked out the SO-job offers of StackOverflow?
Benefits: "Employees will never be poked with a sharp stick"
ô,o
 
Working at SE is unlikely for any of us
 
What about dull sticks?
 
@πάνταῥεῖ If you want to, please do so. The conversation about women and IT jobs and SO users and discrimination is off-topic here. Please don't bring the subject again.
 
@Magisch Why? :) Apply for it if you want it.
There aren't any dev positions open AFAIK though, atleast not right now.
They won't have any problems finding devs to hire though
 
9:27 AM
@Seth lol
 
@Tunaki Yeah yeah, I'm trolling away elsewhere. Even if its off-topic here, I believe its an important topic.
 
@Yvette Nice pic. Looking fresh. Vacation goals
@ColdFire you mentioned to use a bundle for passing stuff through activities. I did not. I used Intent. Is it different?
 
@πάνταῥεῖ You're right, it is an important topic! But let's not discuss it here, ok? :)
 
@Tunaki THX for giving me at least that backup.
 
Or else I'll be discussing religion. It's even more important.
 
9:30 AM
And off-topic as well
so... don't
 
There's plenty of good off-topic discussion here
 
@JanDvorak Nope. Religion is completely irrelevant. I'm a well balanced buddhist, ogling to get a Pastafari maybe.
 
Pastafari? Why?
 
<facepalm>
 
<double-facepalm>
 
9:35 AM
@JanDvorak The fancy sieve on your head with your official pics? I love that attitude. Even some colleagues of mine are avowed Patafarians. It's the perfect religion for anarchists it seems so.
 
Hm, let's not go there, in hindsight
 
@Cerbrus You have to think something
 
@Cerbrus Of course. That's all the point.
 
wow this discussion again
seems we cant stop this discussion
 
@SmokeDetector sd f
 
9:37 AM
Not f at all
 
@Cerbrus that's spam?
 
or wait
 
It does stink
 
f n k?
 
funk!
 
9:38 AM
sd wth
 
Did I guess it?
 
^ n did right
 
meh, VLQ for me
 
what is f n and k
@Tunaki already flagged as vlq \o/
 
we agree to disagree and that's what we agree
 
9:39 AM
^ :)
 
agree disagree
 
@ColdFire the SmokeDetector link in every reported post takes you to the github page
finding the documentation from there is not entirely straightforward
 
@ColdFire false, not an answer, "ok"-> spam
 
@Adriaan i see thanks :)
 
@PetterFriberg User is blacklisted (6824193 on stackoverflow.com).
 
hmm he/she/it is getting spammy
 
comment left
 
@Seth They very strictly only hire senior developers
Meaning not anything I'm anywhere close to being
 
It becomes clearer with a 2nd attempt.
 
9:41 AM
@PetterFriberg it lol
 
:32838877 :
 
yeah that's why it's good to go careful, then to hit hard..
not really sure however if it merits spam flag yet, maybe comment and then see... but ok
 
Maybe it's good I accidentally k'd it :P
 
@PetterFriberg Because of spamming the site with their link?
 
Yeah you blacklisted, infact before second I was checking it...
 
9:43 AM
Also everything they're hiring atm is either sales or product / projekt management or marketing or restricted to new york
 
TLM deleted it seems like a good choice.., lets keep user on black list
 
Can we get the bot to have "maybe not spam but report again if we k something else from that user"?
 
@Magisch Granted, that makes sense :p
 
@JanDvorak you can f or n it and then manually blacklist..
sd k - abuse unreg users
 
Maybe it was well intentioned?
 
9:48 AM
meeh he/she/it was unreg... so I guess he/she/it learned a lesson without loosing anything.
 
@PetterFriberg lookout with abuse if you're specifying a reason, abuse is also a keyword for smokey
 
I still do not understand why unregistered users are allowed to propose edits & answer questions :/
 
really unregistered
 
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@FirstStep thanks had a great time
 
users are allowed to answer
 
9:49 AM
Yep, you've practically said "the last report was a true positive, skip the previous one, and the one before was an abuse"
 
@Ferrybig thanks for heads up.. I edit it in later, sd does not listen to edits correct?
 
@Yvette hey back
 
user3956566
I got back in chat!
 
user3956566
help help it keeps happening :-( — Yvette 24 mins ago
 
@Yvette welcome back
 
user3956566
9:50 AM
@Ferrybig haha thanks!
 
ohh wasnt aware of that
 
@JanDvorak I hope not, I edit on purpose to avoid that...
 
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@ColdFire I was on holiday, yes, but I am also having trouble with chat. So if I disappear, that's one of the billion of reasons why
 
@Yvette Aloha : ), just like to say Hi
 
@Yvette 1 of billion that is a lot of reason, i dont have that much money even :P
 
9:52 AM
@PetterFriberg I'm not sure how smokey exactly handles edits, it did see that Tunaki edited this post in the charcoal: chat.stackexchange.com/transcript/11540?m=32294797#32294797
 
user3956566
@PetterFriberg hallo my friend!
3
 
user3956566
^^ please pin that for a week, I want to get a star badge ;)
 
@Ferrybig hmm ok, I will be more careful, no more editing
 
@Yvette haha
 
@ColdFire Sure.
@Queen k
 
10:07 AM
Can you tell everyone I've been bumped out of chat again :/ — Yvette 11 mins ago
 
Can we move along?
 
Guys @Yvette says she can't get into the chat and needs help: http://meta.stackexchange.com/questions/284319/chat-will-not-load
Anyone has any idea?
 
Discussion about or involving genders are inappropriate here. Please don't bring this up again.
 
It started as a discussion about a meta post
we didn't start the fire
 
I don't care how it started.
 
10:10 AM
that ^
 
<3 <3 <3 <3 <3 <3 <3 <3 <3 <3 <3 <3 <3
<3 Okay done. Chill. Love for All, All for Love <3
<3 <3 <3 <3 <3 <3 <3 <3 <3 <3 <3 <3 <3
 
@Tunaki Yeah yeah yeah, I got it. I'll never bring that up again here.
 
I incurred a loss of 8 reputation on 3 September, due to removed posts. I presume those were questions I edited when I had less than 2k rep and thus got 2 reputation for each of the four edits. However, should you only get rep loss when the post is less than 60 days old than it's deleted?
I've been above 2k rep for months now, so if I got rep for editing those posts, it should've been way more than 60 days ago
 
So Yvette can't connect apparently, I'll be her voice
She says she hates you all
Plop everyone =D
 
10:25 AM
@Kyll tell her to send a fax and send by love back
 
@Kyll Plop to you too, my fat Russian friend ;)
 
@Adriaan =D
Dang, that crushing yesterday night.
 
Good to get back to TF2 p2p :D
before we get very much off-topic again, anyone know what's up with my rep change up there? ^^^^
 
No idea. Ask a mod?
 
I'll write a meta if people here can't help. Any links for the +2 rep on edits and when that gets reverted though?
 
10:29 AM
@Kyll lol
@Kyll blob
 
hmm, I can't find anything in the help centre on loosing rep when a post you edited when you were <2k rep is deleted
 
@Adriaan can you post a link to one of those deleted entries?
 
@tripleee they're not links for me, as I'm not 10k :(
 
@Kyll 7-8
 
10:33 AM
Scratch that last one, will do in the Ministry
 
@tripleee so, what can you tell me about when it was created, when I edited and how old it was when it got deleted?
 
weird, asker has same first name as answer OP stackoverflow.com/questions/39487186/…
@Adriaan indeed, it shows it was edited by yourself on Aug 28 '15
deleted by Community♦ Sep 3 at 14:29 (RemoveAbandonedQuestions)
 
@tripleee downvoted just in case
 
so; really old, and no answers
 
@tripleee unsurprising. I still think I shouldn't get a rep loss on this due to the time limit.
I'll ask meta about that
hehehe, almost instant-downvote on my meta about rep loss
not even a comment explaining why
 
10:42 AM
@Adriaan gimme a mo' - just having a quick goosey at your post history...
 
mo' = Month
hehe
 
@Adriaan well what did you expected
 
Interestingly - I only see -1 for Sep 6th... which is a bit weird
 
@JonClements I did post a screenshot in the meta
 
I know... I just see different things than the screenshot - probably a mod thingy
 
10:46 AM
Perhaps it says -2 but your rep didn't actually decrease?
 
@ColdFire I thought I read somewhere that I shouldn't incur a rep loss if the post was more than 60 days old when it was deleted; anything younger than that is deleted by users and seen as "polishing crap", hence the rep loss. I just edited posts which were apparently unanswerable or uninteresting
 
anyway - no idea... I thought that rep gained after 60 days was locked... maybe suggested edits are exempt from that rule
 
Maybe if someone else deletes it?
 
@JonClements see the answer that just popped up
 
@Adriaan i see
 
10:48 AM
@Adriaan I made an edit, please review
 
answers explains that
 
@tripleee sure, thanks
 
@Adriaan ahhh... yes... of course... sighs - someone fetch me coffee please. I'd forgotten about those rules...
 
!!/coffee
 
@Adriaan brews coffee for @Adriaan
 
10:48 AM
passes coffee to @JonClements
 
afk, don't cause havroc
 
@JonClements gives puppy coffee in puppy cup
 
Wow - coffee overload - woot!
 
brews some
 
So, did T-man mean "Havoc", or is there something named "Havroc" we can't cause?
 
10:49 AM
@JonClements oh dear, hyperactive ninja puppy. People: watch your legs before he sticks his katana in them
 
Only one way to find out...
 
lol
 
@Adriaan The net score of the post also counts.
 
@Louis yea, just read that in the answers on my meta question :P
 
 _   _   ___  _   _______ _____ _____
| | | | / _ \| | | | ___ \  _  /  __ \
| |_| |/ /_\ \ | | | |_/ / | | | /  \/
|  _  ||  _  | | | |    /| | | | |
| | | || | | \ \_/ / |\ \\ \_/ / \__/\
\_| |_/\_| |_/\___/\_| \_|\___/ \____/
 
10:51 AM
lol
 
@Adriaan Oh! I missed that. I just switched to this tab and was scanning the messages.
 
^^^ we're not to do that apparently
 
haha
 
Naughty puppy
 
Normally that would get flagged
 
10:51 AM
@JonClements Havoc?
 
@Cerbrus too much coffee!?
 
@JonClements That doesn't make sense.
 
@Cerbrus sounds like how my entire day is going :)
 
Oh, poor puppy!
 
You cry "Havoc" when you let slip the dogs of war, and "Havroc" when you let slip the puppies of war. Puppy-talk I guess.
 
10:56 AM
How about Havok?
 
To thine own self be true, and it must follow, as the night the day, thou canst not then be false to any man.
 
Where's that? So that I can pull up a more modern translation.
 
@Adriaan Glorfindel beat me by a minute
 
@JonClements - Not a busy day at the CTOs office eh? :P
 
:p
 
10:58 AM
@Magisch that's why I accepted his ;)
 
:P
 
@TheLostMind The boss is generously letting me slack off some today... :)
 
@Jon Who told you that I would let you slack today?, back to work now!!!
 
Wouldn't it be hilarious if Jon actually worked at JDD
 
@PetterFriberg oh poo - when did I promote you again? Or how much Gin did you spike me with!?
 
11:01 AM
: )
 
@JonClements - lol.. My boss always does that. Nice man he is :)
@PetterFriberg - Last time I checked. Jon was the boss of your boss's boss :P. How many of you got promoted at the same time?
 
@TheLostMind What can I say... Jon Clements is not a bad boss... quite a cool guy actually
 
@PetterFriberg Does your company have regular employees?
 
@Magisch no we only have people with what is called on PIVA (they invoice us)
 
@JonClements - Ya. CTO by day, Ninja puppy by night :P
 
11:03 AM
@Magisch You mean regular as in "Not a puppy"?
 
@Magisch like that I can send them home when I like : )
 
@Magisch - Nope. All employees are either CTOs or CFOs or CEOs or COOs
 
@TheLostMind Ya. CTO? o.o
 
@TheLostMind LOL
 
@Seth - Chief Translating Officer?
 
11:04 AM
@TheLostMind I don't know half of those abbreviations :|
 
@Seth Chief Technical Officer - Chief Finance Officer - Chief Executive Officer - Chief Operations Officer
 
@TheLostMind TRANSLATING LOL
 
Don't ask me why I know all of these
 
@TheLostMind Oh, the "Ya." was meant as "Yes" :o I thought it was part of CTO
@Magisch Thanks :D
 
then there will be this CBO
Chief Bullshit Officer
 
11:05 AM
cbo?
CKO
 
Yeah you got it...
 
Cheif Kyll Officer
 
@TheLostMind Constantly Banning Officer?
 
@PetterFriberg Cheif Ninja Puppy
 
@ColdFire Thats me
 
11:06 AM
@Cerbrus - We call it firing
 
@TheLostMind lol
@Magisch i see
@TheLostMind you got a JIO sim?
 
@ColdFire - Whats that?
 
@TheLostMind :( clever mind :D
 
@JonClements :)
 
drops glass of wine to break silence
 
11:20 AM
@Tunaki you soooooo need to change your name to Tunaki Havroc :p
 
11:31 AM
"Tunaki Havroc" sounds like it'd be a great Terry Pratchett character ;)
@Tunaki in fact - the sopy regulars have already been classified into discworld characters
 
Morning
 
@JonClements What would you classify me as?
 
no longer a spearrel!?
 
It was always going to be temporary
 
@NathanOliver o/ Hiya
 
11:35 AM
lol
@FirstStep Hiya
 
@ColdFire Hiya \o
 
Read the reviews? :o
 
read it already still confused :/
 
@ColdFire Looks OK. Needs more RAM. Could use a better HDD.
 
11:39 AM
@NathanOliver i am going upgrade ram to 16 gb so that is not a problem
HDD i know but SSD is too costly
 
I want to start a documentation and call it _Face Palms at CompanyName_
Face palm of the day: I asked a colleague what should I expect as a return type from your function. He said: _A 6 characters int_

P.S Such stuff happens everyday
 
lol
 
:'( almost made me cry
For whoever knows this meme: s2.quickmeme.com/img/57/…
 
@ColdFire You could upgrade to a nice 1TB WD Black drive
 
@ColdFire That one has built in graphics so the video performance may not be as good.
 
yeah i noticed that
i guess the first one is the best i found
 
Hiya
 

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