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9:00 PM
Why is there no auto-request for custom reasons?
 
@Tunaki: It's just under the 'EDIT' comment: EDIT (Comments at the end regarding the source of the error):

Parent class:

public abstract class AbstractLoadable<T extends AbstractLoadable<T>> {

private Map<String,LoadableConfig> profiles = new HashMap<>();

protected <T extends LoadableConfig> T getConfig(final String configId) {
return (T) profiles.get(configId);
}
}
 
@Selena Yeah. I don't see the link between this class and the rest of the post
or is it the class containing the first snippet, with the getConfig(String configId) method?
 
@Tunaki I didn't want to erase the original content and replace with the the new content because I wasn't sure if that is okay or not. The problem was a bug I encountered in the ConcreteLoadable class trying to call the method defined on Abstract:Loadable, its parent class.
 
It is okay :) as long you post a complete (but minimal) example.
In any case, I'm pretty sure the issue is
public class ConcreteLoadable extends AbstractLoadable
                                                     ^^^^^^ raw type
 
@Tunkai AbstractLoadable has a generic method getConfig. ConcreteLoadable extends that class and was trying to call this method to get a return value that meets the constraints of the return type. I got a compile error which said the return type I wanted didn't meet the requirements. It did because the return type was a subtype of the upper bound. The reason I got the error was because I didn't pass the child class as a parameter to the parent.
 
9:04 PM
You should have public class ConcreteLoadable extends AbstractLoadable<ConcreteLoadable> @Selena
 
@Tunaki The error message from the compiler was very confusing. it didn't help in finding the real problem -- the parent class is reflexively generic and any class that extends it should pass itself to the parent.
 
Yeah. javac isn't known for its helpful error message :)
 
@Tunaki, I know. I realized then when I create the MCVC. Which I should have done in the first place, but I was in a hurry.
 
It seems you edited your question with the answer you found. Consider removing it from the question and posting it as an answer instead.
 
@Tunaki. I will. That way if anyone else hits on this bizarre corner case in generics, the question will actually be useful to them.
 
user4639281
9:08 PM
/renames room to SO Java Reviewers
 
@Selena Alright. And next time, don't ignore compiler warnings :D
 
user4639281
@Tuna have you checked in to slack recently?
 
hum
 
Sam
@TinyGiant You could say he's been slacking recently...
 
user4639281
lol
 
9:10 PM
har har har
 
@Tunaki Thanks. Lesson learned.
 
@TinyGiant YES!
Finally!
 
user4639281
lol
 
typo
 
@JanDvorak Here's some context
 
9:15 PM
Unclear?
 
Ehh I guess
 
@Closey those looks like the 6 riders of the apocalypse
 
They're multiplying?
 
user4639281
I currently only filter by [javascript] closevotes:4
 
Bible only talked about four.
 
9:18 PM
@JanDvorak that was the childs version of the things
 
user4639281
I now have no comment votes on main or meta, no post votes on main or meta, no close votes on main, and no delete votes on main.
 
@TinyGiant heh
 
user4639281
Been slacking on closing a deleting meta stuff today
 
Wait, no comments?
why did you delete 'em
 
user4639281
what?
 
9:22 PM
@JanDvorak I need to resist the urge of checking that tag out... for my mental health...
 
Good call. Who's going to be the vict volunteer?
 
user4639281
Interestingly enough, that majority of javascript questions having four close votes are greater than or equal to one week old.
 
@TinyGiant well, votes expire after a week you cast them, no?
 
user4639281
14 days?
 
remember that is a moving window
wait, I'm not making sense
2
 
user4639281
9:24 PM
I think it is more that they get kicked out of the close vote queue
 
user4639281
Because a question has to be < 7 days old to be in the queue
 
user4639281
I think, something along those lines
 
@TinyGiant what the... really?
 
... ew?
 
user4639281
@Braiam Yeah, or it might be 7 days since the last close vote, or something like that.
 
9:26 PM
They get kicked out of the queue when the close votes age away.
 
user4639281
I read something about it recently. They did that to lower the number of posts in the queue
 
I was under the assumption that it was "close votes >1" to be in the queue
 
user4639281
No, it used to be
 
???
 
user4639281
Then everyone complained that the number just kept getting bigger
 
9:27 PM
I need to up my game
I didn't know... that can't be :(
 
user4639281
@NathanOliver That doesn't tell me how posts are kicked out of the queue tho
 
user4639281
I think that the majority of the posts about it are on m.so
 
@NathanOliver Such graphs, such pretty
 
Let's stop referencing doge, shall we?
 
9:35 PM
@JanDvorak wow, what a turn down... such boo
btw, I'm still waiting for that thing that allows me to punch people through the internet....
 
@TinyGiant This?
 
user4639281
yes that one, /proceeds to not read it
 
@JanDvorak Such bark. Much response
 
I think I'd rather go...
 
user4639281
Two parameters:
FlagsAgeDaysThreshold: the number of days old the newest vote or flag must be for a question to remain under review. Default value: 4
FlagsThreshold: the number of votes or flags required for a question to remain under review once FlagsAgeDaysThreshold has been exceeded. Default value: 3.
A single vote or flag on a question will send it into /review.
After FlagsAgeDaysThreshold has been exceeded, the question will be removed from review if FlagsThreshold has not been met.
Existing aging rules will still apply - votes will not be discarded until they are met.
 
user4639281
9:44 PM
So if a post has less than 3 close votes or flags after 4 days in the queue then it exits.
 
user4639281
So flags and close votes have to age away, or it has to get x number of leave open votes
 
@Kyll yes
 
@Kyll no
 
@Kyll POB
 
@Kyll maybe
 
9:55 PM
sigh
Close stuff ASAP, still gets answers.
 
meta.stackoverflow.com/q/334569/3933332 Somehow I feel we will see A LOT of them in the future.
 
makes sense, I guess
 
10:21 PM
Please don't ask for up/downvotes
 
Thanks for deleting the question. Best approach, actually.
But yes, I was merely stating the facts
 
Ok sorry then, I interpreted it as asking for votes.
 
I can see why
 
@Tunaki I've noticed you've started reviewing! I'll update your session record.
 
I was hoping it would be OK to point out bad content without suggesting any action explicitly. If the point is to defend from gang up accusations ...
 
10:29 PM
 
Is what is considered bad practice subjective?
 
Not necessarily.
Some things are admittedly bad practice. Like not using jQuery.
 
I want to star that so bad but somebody removed all my stars so I don't have any more ;)
 
:)
 
And, I'm out of closevotes
 
10:34 PM
It's a miracle, I haven't had the 'you have n votes left today' dialog pop up yet today
 
I don't think I have either, but I ran out anyways
 
:(
they need to put the cap higher
 
They should also allow downvote requests in this room
 
Nope.
 
because people might accuse us of ganging?
They still can because of closevotes
 
10:44 PM
meh, a group of like-minded people doing stuff as group always attracts some kind of criticism
 
We should allow downvote requests
 
Downvotes can't be controlled. There used to be downvote requests but that leads quickly to trouble. You cannot tell who did what, when. Close vote are different in the way that they are public.
 
can someone look at this Q? stackoverflow.com/q/39500670/5647260
 
Rule 13: "All members are accountable for their actions if/when such accountability is requested on meta."
Transparency is incredibly important.
 
10:54 PM
The requester is still clearly visible
 
im out of votes
 
@TinyGiant that refers to downvote reasons, it doesn't say to not request downvotes
it merely says "don't downvote just to make it eligible for roomba"
 
user4639281
That is why we no longer accept downvote requests
 
Here's a question for anyone voting on @cricket_007's cv-pls request: why aren't you also downvoting it?
 
user4639281
@SotiriosDelimanolis because they don't feel like it..
 
11:00 PM
Yeah, why?
 
I can't
@TinyGiant Then I believe you have misunderstood Shog's point
> If you're downvoting answers because they're lazy / poorly-written / wrong / useless, good on ya.
> Policing voting isn't really a solution here;
 
@SotiriosDelimanolis It's funny, but that's probably a side-effect of not allowing downvote requests. If there are 5 downvotes after a cv-pls.... then it effectively asked for downvotes, in a way.
 
If I'm not allowed to downvote cv-requests ... I don't think I can follow that. Would you like me to leave?
 
No-one said you couldn't downvote.
Or upvote for that matter, you might disagree with the closure and find the question good.
 
Good. Can we get others to do the same? :-)
 
11:04 PM
@Tunaki Most of my cv are followed by or preceded by a downvote. IMO some of these should have more dv than cv.
 
@JanDvorak DV is fun
 
downvoting questions, you mean?
 
y
 
No-one seemed to enjoy downvoting the w3schools recommendation.
 
Missed it
also out
 
11:07 PM
Those are legitimate reasons
Can something be done about the number of votes one gets?
 
Jan I use my DV for roomba effects. Not jump on the bandwagon reasons
 
Makes sense
 
and roomba runs like a charm at 3am. Takes 1 minute. You get all those -1 back. And the system forgets you voted on them because they are deleted. So you get a free 50 every day
 
To be honest, we're already bordering on what is considered 'normal' with close vote requests. We rely on everyone's good judgement, otherwise, there is really no room. Close votes are public info, and this fact alone makes the people involved actionable and it can be scrutinized on Meta.
 
The normal course of actions with closevotes is to never get anything closed, because those who care are spread out so thinly, and because the cv queue is thought of as a joke, at least by me.
 
11:14 PM
that is why i just cycle thru c# java mysql android at cv4 with the bots
 
Maybe they would get closed naturraly in the egregious cases, and even then you just don't get to see the results, which is rather demotivating (and if you stick around, the results are even worse)
 
And yet, some are already uncomfortable with the very existence of this room.
 
and that is why I use my DV for roomba because it does not require any req for others to del vote
 
@JanDvorak Use a hammer, you don't have that problem ;)
 
Some are uncomfortable with the idea their precious debug requests might get closed before they get answered.
 
11:16 PM
I have not read a meta yet that says you cannot DV for roomba effects. Heck even 1 mod suggested how you search for them. With bots it is all lined up like ducks. Granted they ar e not Page1, but at least they are buried
 
@Tunaki Then I have to repwhore rephunt my way to the hammer. For each tag.
 
One hammer is already good enough for most purposes.
 
@Drew Isn't that what Shog said in the answer Tiny posted?
 
@JanDvorak idk
It is all Commun mod to me. Do I think the Q and A is good or bad. Vote accordingly.
 
Shog says, vote on the content. Don't downvote simply because the roomba is coming.
Which doesn't mean you can't downvote if the roomba is indeed coming
 
11:18 PM
this q and A: I leave alone. Someone may find RamRaider's answer peachy stackoverflow.com/q/38606968
 
He also didn't say you can't ask for downvotes.
 
@JanDvorak No, he didn't.
 
@JanDvorak we don't ask for DV here
 
But we're still enforcing it here, for the reasons above.
 
I am not going to ask for DV here or in a secret slack chat room. It is sleezy in my book
if others want to do it and it makes the site a better place, good on them
 
11:20 PM
I have no problem asking for downvotes, but I don't because that seems to be policy
 
@Drew because it would be unfair against those who post bad content that would be overlooked otherwise?
 
@Drew actually, Shog suggested way back that we just downvoted a should be closed question: faster, stronger and doesn't need to waste other 4 reviewers time
 
think how it would play out Jan. hey folks look at: url isnt that crappy?
 
@Drew yeah, that was the point I was doing with my link above
 
@Drew now imagine there is a crappy answer sitting at +2. What is worse, the unfairness of getting -5 because somebody noticed, or the knowledge in that answer spreading?
 
11:22 PM
and it means all your attention is not on Page1. But then again. P1 wont be 1 for long
 
meh, I say we should turbocharge roomba more
 
@JanDvorak that is the rub. You have to do it alone I guess. I have a query that does 1 only. Above 1 on Q or A I just leave alone
 
closed; not edited -> delete
 
@Braiam how about old now offtopic questions that still have good answers?
 
Dont forget, these guys arent losing rep on this stuff after 60 or 90 days whatever it is
You just have to ask yourself, am I doing harm to quality content
 
11:26 PM
Are you doing harm to the community by not downvoting bad answers?
 
user4639281
You can downvote whatever you like, and you can upvote whatever you like, you just can't ask for upvotes or downvotes on a post.
 
user4639281
Sorry, a bit late
 
@TinyGiant I've heard the policy
 
@JanDvorak If you know the answer is wrong and aren't downvoting, or even commenting, then yes.
 
What if I know my vote can't change anything, and my comments will be ignored?
 
11:27 PM
Why are going to vote to a presidential election?
 
@Tunaki I don't.
 
@JanDvorak Well.... it would be for the same reason.
 
lol tuna
 
@JanDvorak Fair. What if everyone said that to themselves?
 
11:29 PM
now if you see a +1 answer that is holding up a deletion and you weigh what @Braiam just said, well, that is between you and the confessional
 
So, the only reason downvote requests are disallowed is that you wouldn't know who has to defend themselves if someone goes crying on meta?
 
@JanDvorak basically, yes
 
the reason @JanDvorak is that we are not a voting ring. Imagine how it would play out. Hey look this answer is at 3 let's kill it
 
And, the illusion of accountability is more important than accurate votes on content?
 
world is unfair and all of that
 
11:30 PM
@JanDvorak It isn't an illusion.
 
@Drew but we are a closing ring
 
@Drew but we are a voting ring
 
@JanDvorak It's not crying on Meta.
 
yeah I said that and Madara corrected me
 
dammit Jan >:(
 
11:31 PM
Do I understand correctly that if closevotes become anonymous you shut down this room?
 
he said something like we are not pitchfork wielding peeps sorta response
 
@Drew we are
closevote requests already are ganging up and unfair unto those who have been noticed
 
that is fine. But we allow the Answers to survive (mostly, except for @Sotirios :p)
 
@JanDvorak Question is moot since close votes aren't anonymous and can never be. It takes 5 to close, their names are written. See meta.stackoverflow.com/questions/280763/…
 
user4639281
We are a reviewing ring if anything
 
11:33 PM
oh btw, my response to this conversation meta.stackoverflow.com/a/266997/792066
 
Even if the cv were anon we still need to focus and achieve before age-away
 
user4639281
We review posts to the best of our individual abilities.
 
But those downvote requests would fall under review as well
 
user4639281
Then send a instead
 
and they wouldn't be called such, of course
 
11:34 PM
Yes, technically they would.
 
user4639281
If you want us to review a post and vote accordingly, ask us to review it.
 
Would that be allowed? Noted.
 
> I don't want to discuss my votes. Votes are like flatulence; everyone does it, but you really don't need to call attention to it. If we're gonna talk about something, it should be the content of the post, not how folks voted on it.
 
I personally think that we should allow DV requests in a perfect world. We don't have that cuz we try to avoid getting slammed on meta. Once every few months a big meta stink surfaces
 
But, shouldn't the same go for questions? ;-) review-plz, not cv-plz
 
11:36 PM
I think that should be a discussion point for the next room mtg Jan
 
I've seen that being attempted once. It didn't last long.
 
user4639281
I have proposed that before.
 
@JanDvorak Again, technically, yes. However, it is clear from the faq and the usage that cv-pls is really review-pls, just like reopen-pls and delete-pls and undelete-pls
 
user4639281
The problem is that cv-pls is so ingrained in everything
 
11:37 PM
@Tunaki but so would dv-pls ;-)
 
user4639281
And our fancy scripts wouldn't know how to clean up the requests based on outcome
 
@JanDvorak Except there isn't your name attached to it. And it is not supposed to. Downvotes are supposed to be anonymous.
 
user4639281
@JanDvorak Except that we have explicitly disallowed review requests specifying down or up voting as the outcome
 
@TinyGiant TL;dr we don't change the name because is a drag
 
The main goal of this room is to review in the queue right? It just seems like there are more cv requests than reviewing
 
11:39 PM
The best of both worlds @Andrew, in theory
 
user4639281
Reviewing cv-pls requests does reduce the size of the queue
 
What I thought, thanks
But we do more than just CVs right?
 
Well, there are the events. Not sure what they actually do, though.
 
Well, to clear the queue :P
 
@AndrewL. Yes. Also review reviews and deletions.
 
user4639281
11:41 PM
Originally we were all about reviewing the queue, since then we have sort of become somewhat of a repository of knowledge about moderation in general.
 
Ahh, thanks
 
@AndrewL. Because the room expanded from clearing the close vote queue, to discussion about general moderation, including close, reopen, delete, edit, you name it
 
user4639281
We ain't always right, but we have a meta reference for any occasion
 
We review the reviewers that review reviews while reviewing the reviewers.
 
Any stats on how many roboreviewers have been caught?
 
11:42 PM
@JanDvorak nope
 
Everything that comes out of Braiam's mouth is star-worthy
 
I have my personal stats for robo reviewing in the VLQRQ :p
 
darn Peter, because of you I can't see if there's metadrama at all :(
 
user4639281
@Tunaki LQPRQ
 
No need to see metadrama. Just wait until something pops up here.
 
11:43 PM
@TinyGiant Yeah yeah
@TinyGiant Nah nah
@TinyGiant Meh meh
 
This is math more so than it is programming right?
 
Lalalalalala
 
user4639281
@Tunaki Ha Ha
 
Jajajaja
 
user4639281
bah bah
 
11:44 PM
There was a gender neutrality hot topic just today, straight into some chit chat about religion.
 
Wait, which post
 
user4639281
@JanDvorak another one?
 
Or maybe it wasn't today.
 
Well gender and religion are not SO-moderation related... So you can guess how that conversation is going to end up.
 
@JanDvorak another?
 
11:44 PM
the post from 2 days ago was a flame war
 
that topic is like the economy, it cycles
 
I mean the one where I got flagged
 
@AndrewL. Yep
Now why would you talk about religion?
 
@Tunaki FSM would disagree
 
I wasn't being offensive
 
11:46 PM
The problem is that religion and gender shouldn't even be an issue here
 
That would be nice
is there anything that can be discussed here without ... heat?
 
It's for building knowledge for future readers. Nobody should take anything personal because it doesn't even matter in the grand scheme of things
 
@JanDvorak In any case, not part of moderation. Yeah we can have some fun in here not related to moderation
but talking about religion isn't exactly the definition of fun
 
@Tunaki but, but... I like to throw hammers at people faces
 
no important off-topic chat here?
 
11:48 PM
You can freely talk about those things, in your own special crafted chat rooms
 
Are we allowed to mention natural disasters? They aren't fun or on-topic.
 
Hey @Tiger! Thanks for coming here :). But we can't vote to delete that question, only in 2 days.
 
@TigerhawkT3 long time no insanity. We miss u
 
Well, if random passersby choose to downvote it, that'll give us the delete link as soon as it hits -3.
 
I love the avatar :D
 
11:52 PM
@Drew Who is u?
 
tiger
 
Did you mean "you"?
 
no I mean u. I was having fun.
 
u is u, u noe?
 
I was rather surprised to see you use textspeak
 
11:54 PM
I am not in the Python chat room. No fear of getting kicked out for punctuation.
 
Are u sure? :p
 
well rene kicked me a few times. But for other reasons.
 
@TigerhawkT3 Well, has 2 votes now
 
@Drew look at the bright side, you got to meet rene roots
 
And I'm off to sleep, cya
 
11:56 PM
gn
 
Yay, obliterated. The Internet-using populace is saved! \o/
 
@Braiam Those aren't roots.
 
if you get upset with rene, don't say "butt out"
 

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