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user3956566
9:02 PM
oh and I have filthy finger nails from scratching horses! I clean them with a brush.
 
@rjzii that would never work, do you remember when we did not have meta?
 
@JL2210 Can't find it, she said she hadn't brushed her hair for a couple days then corrected herself when she realised she had
 
user3956566
and I often don't brush it. It's common with curly hair.
 
Yeah, cause brushing it is a pain in the ass...
 
user3956566
it goes super frizzy
 
user3956566
9:03 PM
it stay curly if I don't brush it. It looks neater not brushed
 
Yes don't
 
I am surprised at how forthcoming that The Register article is about specifics. I thought all parties were keeping details private out of mutual respect. It's an odd pivot when all the mods seemed to bend over backward to abide by their agreements. I don't mean to be inflammatory. It just seems unfair.
 
user3956566
Ugh I feel like making my videos private
 
Dafuq
El Req posted about this??
 
Yup, and they got (slightly) more information than we did
 
9:05 PM
Yeah, and they were very accurate about the details...
 
It's only private in meta but outside its not private
 
So you know how I said that we were dealing with nukes, right?
We're now dealing with a lot worse than that. All on the new CEO's first day.
Welcome aboard...?
 
The nukes have gone off and the launch codes publicised
@YvetteColomb D:
 
This has gone from a disagreement about policy to a PR fiasco.
 
I think it's more that mods sign an NDA when they get their position, and hence are not allowed to be forthcoming legally. SO is not similarly constrained in its communication, and is instead free to choose what it thinks is right.
 
9:07 PM
Big Yikes.
 
I don't think they made the right decision.
 
It's over
 
fun
 
I don't either @ConspicuousCompiler but it's theirs to make
 
user3956566
@ConspicuousCompiler there is an confidentiality agreement
 
9:09 PM
That's a suspiciously specific technology medium you've got there
I wonder if it's accessible. Then I can use that instead of Microsoft Teams. </3
 
I've heard things about Microsoft Teams. Not good things, but things.
 
@AndrasDeak I've experienced the things you refer to
 
I mean, Teams is a step forward from Micorosft Link aka Skype for Business. But it's also definitely different software, and once you install Teams, it wants to control all Skype meetings...even if it can't.
 
@weegee Your SO people are doing a bad job
 
@ngn Please don't go there.
 
Let the bodies subject hit the floor.
 
you'll get kicked from the room probably ngn
 
@YvetteColomb Thanks for the clarification. Guess that's what happens when you don't watch the whole thing.
 
9:15 PM
@NickA basically this
 
ngn
nice
 
only until the suspension kicks in
 
Hi
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A: Why was the meta room frozen?

TensibaiI awe everyone an apology. Events depicted in other answers are true. Nothing can excuse it, there's just shame to have send this message. I'm sincerely sorry.

 
I walked away for a couple of minutes and ~20 messages got moved. What did I miss?
 
Nothing. If something was removed, it was removed for a reason.
 
9:16 PM
@Script47 Nothing. Move along.
 
Somebody was really zealously advocating for ketchup sandwiches @Script47. Waffle violence ensued.
 
@Tensibai Why are you sorry?
 
Pah, sauces? They ruin everything...
 
For the free of the room yesterday, that was my fault
 
@ConspicuousCompiler Personally I don't see why waffles and ketchup can't peacefully coexist on other sides of the breakfast table
 
9:16 PM
@Tensibai partly
 
@Script47 Hey!, Don't you dare say that about Béarnaise
 
this is not to diminish your responsibility, just stating a fact :P
 
There's no need to rehash it here now, though. Thank you for your apology, @Tensibai; now let's move on.
@BhargavRao could I get a profile refresh please?
 
@NickA especially your precious Béarnaise.
 
@Script47 what kind of dog breed is that?
probably some mountain dog
 
9:18 PM
@user58 done
 
Thanks.
 
Just came in to see if there were any updates ... work has been a bit hectic today :\
 
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Q: Incorrect CC link on help page

UnimportantThe Creative Commons Attribution-Share Alike link on this page still links to the 3.0 license.

 
@BhargavRao Nope, nuthin
 
If all goes well, I'll be back from my vacation on Monday.
 
9:19 PM
@AndrasDeak 'Béarnaise sauce is a sauce made of clarified butter emulsified in egg yolks and white wine vinegar and flavored with herbs.'
 
@user58 I had made it earlier if that was possible, I was unsure, but I feel it was warranted
 
@Script47 mmmmmm :drool:
 
Agree that doesn't need more
 
@Script47 doesn't sound too cute to me
 
3 mins ago, by Script47
Pah, sauces? They ruin everything...
 
9:20 PM
Losing Ed is a huge blow on the voting rings side
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Dangit
 
I had left it because he was there
 
ngn
hush... !
 
And I used to focus on tags
 
In a year or two I might be able to help.
 
9:21 PM
@BhargavRao Who else is going to run the voting rings now?!
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Not what you want to read before you go on vacation @BhargavRao
 
Can we get Caprica to do all the voting now?
 
@BhargavRao that is a lot to wish for ;)
 
@Makoto I'm in mod vacation atm, I'm coming back from vacation on Monday... chat.stackoverflow.com/transcript/message/47400852#47400852
@Cerbrus Ikr, no one to vote on our accounts now :p
That's Ed's book
 
Where do those things come from?
I have a legit book similar to that about Go.
 
9:24 PM
Some of the mod messages which he wrote were so influential on the user that they admitted their fault and became better users later on.
 
mind blown
 
@BhargavRao will be happy to see you return
 
I got a message a while back about deleting code-only answers in VLQ. I've since tried to be better.
 
To be honest, even though most aggressors seem recalcitrant at first, very often their behavior is a result of feeling unfairly treated, and at the root of that is misunderstanding and shame. If you can get past those, often you can discover their original good intent, and how things got off track.
 
I'm returning to prolly finish off the burnination, and then re-evaluate whether I should be active or not...
 
9:26 PM
@Sklivvz Yup! I remember way back before SO even had a meta site of it's own. But that's why I think the site specific meta's will remain (deal with site specific moderation and other issues) and the "global" meta will end up just being used by the staff to psot things.
 
I don't think anyone even remembers that we have an ongoing burn
 
@BhargavRao You're not allowed to be inactive, I deny you that right throws popcorn
 
@BhargavRao we know we just are busy :-(
 
Anyway, 3am here ... I'll hit the bed.
 
9:27 PM
gn!
 
Is it actually in the burn stage or in one of the pre-pre-pre-burn phases @BhargavRao? Every time I've tried to help with those things in the past, I got a nastygram from somebody about how I didn't wait until the "i"s were all dotted.
 
@BhargavRao Sleep well!
@ConspicuousCompiler Burn stage.
 
@ConspicuousCompiler It's in progress meta.stackoverflow.com/a/389171/4099593
 
🛏
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Quick! Flush all your stars down the... bed?
 
9:44 PM
...
 
why is the march election post being closed and such
I don't quite understand all the outrage. it's like people thought the site was something it's not
 
Because people want to have a show of power.
 
Because someone drew attention to it with a stupid edit
 
That too.
 
10:02 PM
does the you-can-only-delete-5-answers-per-day limit reset at midnight UTC? or some other timezone?
 
opa
@SamuelLiew Yo, why did you delete meta.stackoverflow.com/questions/389935/…?
 
@opa I'm more stunned that jmpc's answer got a red flag on it before it got deleted
 
ngn
@opa sorry, we can't talk about it. actually, it never happened.
 
@Unimportant Stack Overflow time is UTC so that would be a reasonable guess
 
@ngn The snark is not helping.
 
10:16 PM
@StephenKennedy thanks
 
ngn
did i just get kicked out and let back in?
 
That's how kicks work
First one is a 1-minute timeout
 
ngn
never experienced kicks before. well, thank you very much
 
second is 5, I believe
 
Doesn't getting kicked imply you can't go back until some time?
 
ngn
10:19 PM
@Cerbrus what's your problem, mate?
 
Ah, 1 minute, I see
 
Once you've received three in a row, you permanently lose the ability to create rooms
 
ngn
did i violate any rules?
 
@opa That's guess, but as my answer did bump it and was shown in the room Samuel did. Probably he thought it was better to let it fade out :/
 
I didn't kick you. But that tone is not acceptable.
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See you in 5.
 
10:20 PM
lmao!
 
i was waiting for that
 
peeks smh slinks back into the shadows
 
Everybody chill? No need for another room freeze.
 
meh
❄️
 
10:21 PM
tosses popcorn at Madara in their dark corner
 
@AlexanderO'Mara We're not going to freeze the room over the room owners doing their jobs
You guys are golden
 
retrievers?
 
@MadaraUchiha I was just about to state something like that
Speculatory, of course
 
ngn
6 mins ago, by ngn
did i violate any rules?
 
I suggest that you just let it go.
 
10:26 PM
13 mins ago, by user58
@ngn The snark is not helping.
 
10:55 PM
@Tensibai yes, best to let it go since it's a sub-meta discussion on a meta meta room drawing unnecessary attention.
 
I don't know about you but the metaer the better
this here is at least meta meta meta then, mhmm
 
Meta-Ception.
 
@SamuelLiew Yep, I wasn't sure about answering, but ignoring it didn't ring well to me.
The most important part was to apologize to this room that said
 
opa
11:19 PM
@SamuelLiew Then remove his post, don't delete the entire topic.
 
Rob
The room was frozen for an hour. Is that meta post really that important to keep around?
 
opa
11:31 PM
@Rob Yes, because it broke precedent, and important players let slip some key feelings about how they felt about their role in the site, and what they are expected to do.
 
I didn't think it was worth making in the first place...
 
Rob
@opa which precedent? Rooms get frozen when things get out of control, that's nothing new
 
opa
@Rob It didn't "get out of control" it was presumably without moderators calling for assistance. Tim then stated "we don't have to say anything, full stop" which the validity isn't important, but the fact that they exercised they flexed power in this way with that mentality was. If you want to stop discussion about irrelevant politics, cool, but don't remove history of important actions SE has taken. If this event becomes important in the future it will be much harder to recall.
 
11:48 PM
I mean, you're free to have your own opinion
:shrug:
 
@opa it was getting out of control, and a RO timeout and a few kicks would've been warranted anyway. It was just coincidence that a diamond saw it first and decided to put it on an even more significant hold. It was pretty obvious that it would only be temporary until people understand what "drop it" means. I'm only expanding on this now so that you don't think there's a moderator or employee conspiracy here.
I as a regular user (and occasional room owner) believe that it was a bit on the heavy-handed side but reasonable.
(I'm OK with moving these messages to trash once the message is conveyed, to stop further meta-arguments from proliferating)
 
The post existing only attracts more non-constructive attacks. There's no value in keeping it. We'll all have the opportunity to express our concerns once a response is made in the coming days.
 
opa
@AndrasDeak I'm saying it wasn't something non employee moderators couldn't have handled, we are using two different forms of "out of control" here. Apparently moderators themselves felt as much from Yvette's response and the mod responses on the employees post
 
@opa even room owners could have handled it (nipping it in the bud), it escalated none the less. What could have been is irrelevant. What was is an argument escalating and going nowhere, with participants refusing to drop it.
 
opa
@AndrasDeak I'm not sure what the point of this response is, I'm not saying the conversation shouldn't have been shut down, heck, if a non employee moderator froze the thread, or specificallly called for CM's to freeze it, I wouldn't care. This isn't about the discussion being shut down, its about employees taking unilateral action to do so.
 

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