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1:00 PM
@Magisch that’s why I think they need to have an actual legal agreement in place. What they have is quite vague.
 
@GeorgeStocker SOinc doesn't seem very strong in the legal department in general /cyn
 
It was created in a different time. I accepted it on June 19 2012 and it hasn’t changed since then
 
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this little chatroom is run off it's feet. Turned out to be a good idea and a success.
 
"will abide by the then-current Terms of Service of Stack Overflow" - interesting terminology. "the then-current", as in, when elected.
 
Real talk, I'm more impressed a fringe mod hasn't dumped the log to a pastebin
 
1:01 PM
I've been told that the best legal document are short. British law often uses the term reasonable without defining what reasonable means in that context. [IANAL]
 
@GeorgeStocker The chat in question has already been paraphrased.
 
@Veskah There's probably a lot of PI in the TL transcript, even sprinkled in between
 
I don't mind liberal licenses at the slightest, but not listening to actual advice about the topic of legality is shortsighted at best.
 
@Raedwald "reasonable" means ask a judge
 
Eh, a dab of [REDACT] will get you where you need be
 
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1:03 PM
@Veskah they would never be respected again I suspect and would know that. There is a possibility the site could take legal action against a mod who did that. Things do not have to be explicit within a contract to be binding and actionable.
 
@OrangeDog I believe reasonable means ask a jury.
 
@YvetteColomb George just said that legal action wouldn't be possible
Since it's not a legal document
 
@Raedwald depends what kind of law it is
 
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@Cerbrus I disagree. It is a contract.
 
@Veskah Not in this case, since pairing anything [redacted] with what's already out there (MSE posts, other chats) could rebuild the PI
 
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1:03 PM
and yeh I saw that.
 
@YvetteColomb I'm not certain that people would object if Monica had copy/pasted and sanitized the transcript instead of paraphrasing it.
 
Not everything you sign is legally actionable.
 
@Raedwald a judge will ask a jury if they judge it necessary
 
people = masses
 
@YvetteColomb It only took a tidal wave for people to start washing in.
 
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1:06 PM
 
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redacted logs of TL (jks)
 
I still see something in that 6th line...
 
@YvetteColomb i am going to pretend i didnt read that
 
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lol and that was the last they saw of yvette - again
 
1:07 PM
People who post in a private forum expect the posts to remain private. If people then publish those posts, it could have a chilling effect.
 
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@DaImTo don't, it's damaging to your health :D
 
Yeah I mean, how can you prove it's a joke when it's redacted?
 
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it was a screen shot of this chat room! lol
 
Prove it!
 
@YvetteColomb Prove it?
 
1:08 PM
Jinx.
 
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do you want me to show you the building blocks of black rectangles? :p
 
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@ModusTollens hi! nothing like saying hi and being ignore by people making dares over jokes
 
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I really g2g... so not talk to me if I stay!
 
@YvetteColomb Nah, now if they were hexagons on the other hand
 
1:10 PM
@Gimby ...
 
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@Veskah hmmm rubs chin
 
@YvetteColomb :D No problem Yvette. I was catching up on the discussion. But thanks!
 
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@YvetteColomb The similarity is striking.
 
@YvetteColomb Aw yeah, There's that good shit
 
1:12 PM
I call deep fake.
 
@YvetteColomb This doesn't feel SFW
 
A hex on your chat!
 
@YvetteColomb you forgot to include the text "Exempt 5USC subsection 552, para 3(a)" ;p
 
OotL on hexagons here...
 
It appears this chatroom has been ... hexed.
 
1:14 PM
On a deeper level than just "is this question technically acceptable for the site", is my question good for the site, in your guys' opinion? Is it well written?
 
@JohnDvorak Happened here:
6 mins ago, by Gimby
Jinx.
 
"Prove me wrong." is confrontational. Prove me wrong!
 
@Brandon_J Other than "Prove me wrong.", which I consider a personal trigger.
 
@Lewis @Raedwald thanks!
 
It's your job as the poster to prove yourself correct - not on the reader to counter you. But yeah, I'd say well written if not unique.
 
1:16 PM
I cannot immediatly thing of an alternative way to separate those sections of the question
Perhaps an <hr> would suffice
 
There is no point in asking or demanding SE provide an explanation. They know there is a crisis. They know people want explanations. If they haven't provided an explanation yet, it is because they have choosen not to. Making further requests or demands changes nothing.
 
It's probably worth an attempt at an edit - I was kind of approaching this as desperately I want to be proved wrong. Desperately.
Maybe if I say "You can prove those accusations wrong." Would that be better? :/ @Lewis @Raedwald
 
IMO it is a message worth expressing, and a post worth making, even if it doesn't literally expect everything to be addressed in an answer posted below by a staff member
 
Take into account that this is affecting a lot of sites and the CM team is working overtime to handle communications, having started this weekend, talking to moderators. Don't expect answers immediately, Stack Overflow is not the only site. I feel that this is also a redundant post, given that there are already other posts here on Meta about the same subject, like Robert's resignation. Posting yet another post is only going to make matters worse as the number of posts proliferate. — Martijn Pieters ♦ 18 hours ago
 
1:22 PM
If anything is a duplicate it's "Firing mods and forced relicensing", not any of the resignation notices
 
@Brandon_J Personally, I'm not even sure that's needed. Your title clarifies what you're looking for - they'll reply if they want to - but it probably won't even be to your question. It'd make sense for a blog post at this point or one of the higher traffic network level questions.
 
@Raedwald Yeah, I saw that. I was just wondering if his position that the question isn't good for the site was widespread.
 
6 messages moved to Trash can
 
Seriously...?
 
If you have something to say about the kick, send me a message.
 
1:23 PM
I am backing off, not every battle worth fighting. Bye
 
Doesn't happen often I get invited to Trash ..
 
Hey
 
@Druckles what did you think would happen?
 
@rene There's a first for everything
 
@rene Yeah, normally the Compost you're invited to isn't it :P
 
1:25 PM
no need to go in with the hammer right away
 
@Cerbrus it sure is
 
oh no, @rene is no longer biodegradable lol.
 
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@Veskah lmao
 
I've made an edit to the question - now I'm trying to figure out if accepting ndugger's answer would be a good way to let it die peacefully or if I should wait and self-answer once SO makes a blog post.
 
@Magisch Was that directed at me?
 
1:28 PM
yes, you need to talk with each other
 
In another room where I'm RO, if a user comes back from a kick and immediately calls "abuse" or complains about the kick, we just kick again.
 
Perhaps this is best discussed in a different room?
 
What if they just ask for the reasoning?
 
@Cerbrus "The referee's decision is final".
 
@JohnDvorak They didn't.
 
1:28 PM
@Druckles absolutely
 
@Cerbrus yes but
 
I'd like to say I'm getting a kick out of this discussion, but I sincerely hope I don't ;)
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I wouldn't instantly kick again
 
I didn't.
 
Ah, I was asking in general
 
1:29 PM
if you didn't know what "Trash Can" was that notification is awfully rude
 
gets popcorn ready
 
Notice how I'm being more lenient here.
 
*notices*
 
@rene Hey! That's my job passes popcorn
 
I'm sure a feature request to change it would be swiftly implemented /s
 
1:30 PM
@NickA butter please
 
steals popcorn in transit
 
@Zoethetransgirl ...
 
So, horses. Yay.
 
Neigh
 
Pops a knob of butter in the pan, melts and pours over popcorn There you go @rene
 
1:31 PM
Caramel, anyone?
 
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@Zoethetransgirl oi! share that popcorn with me! snatches popcorn
 
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I have to be careful Zoe bites - she told me
 
@OrangeDog There is a "friendly bin"
 
@YvetteColomb She actually bit me... to be fair I stepped on her tail
 
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@Magisch is that like dumpsters for homeless people to sleep in?
 
1:32 PM
@Magisch That's soooo american xD
 
@Magisch Too late, I'm already trashed
 
More along the lines of allow comments to be removed without triggering an invitation to an arbitrary room
 
No it's a bin that is friendlier then the other one
 
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@NickA oh yeh - she does have a tail hmmm didn't notice that rubs chin - must notice tails
 
@Cerbrus I think you mean Canadian
 
1:32 PM
@Brandon_J Well, I get what you're saying, but no
 
:D
 
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@Cerbrus I love my horses. We're moving so I can live with them and wake up and see them and kiss them before the sun goes down. So excited.
 
I speak for myself, but as a Dutch guy, the americans can be so unsincerely friendly... Like, get to the point already :P
 
That is a problem we have
 
1:34 PM
@Cerbrus I agree with this entirely, no other nationality will enter a room and introduce themselves to everyone
 
A friend of mine had a horse that was a former (unsuccessful) race horse. She said she was too afraid to "put it into top gear".
 
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oh the Dutch are notoriously blunt and straight to the point latest headline: yvette is a racist, culturalist bigot
 
@YvetteColomb growls I'll let you keep it. This time :squint:
 
I think that's why "down-to-earth" is so valued in America - it's so rare.
 
@YvetteColomb No you're actually right
 
1:34 PM
@YvetteColomb blunt? me?
 
@YvetteColomb You're confusing Dutch with German here. ;P
 
@AnsgarWiechers hey!
 
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@Zoethetransgirl I'm actually going to have to devise ways to take this popcorn from your without using my fingers... I value my fingers
 
It's quite a culture shock for people that come to the Netherlands to work.
 
1:35 PM
I'll have you know I have many twists and turns - I am a fibonacci leaf cactus
 
@AnsgarWiechers Nah, germans are all about rules on the workplace
 
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@rene yes, the dry flower... My son works for a Dutch man --- he can be.. erm forthright
 
So essentially Dutch-Americans and American-Dutch ought to have the perfect balance of bluntness and tact.
 
While we dutch tell out boss that their ideas are crap
 
@Magisch You mean, cauliflower?
 
1:36 PM
@Cerbrus I wish my boss had ideas.
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@Cerbrus yes, awesome!
 
@Gimby Thanks, I just introduced a drink to my nostrils.
 
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@Cerbrus well that's handy as workplace has no mods - so we know where to send our German regulars.
 
My nostrils didn't approve, and told me off.
 
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omg this discussion is going to cause so much trouble. I need to leave
 
1:37 PM
@Cerbrus was it tea?
 
@YvetteColomb again?
 
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@rene for the 1,205,637,931th time
 
@YvetteColomb They might run an impromptu election but that still means no mods for like 4 weeks
 
@Gimby No, a lemonade-ish drink
 
@YvetteColomb you're about 5 off.
 
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1:38 PM
remember when I'd quite SOCVR? Like every week? for about 10 mintues at a time
 
@Cerbrus I'm sorry you experienced that
 
@Cerbrus With bubbles?
 
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@Brandon_J hmmm you're keeping track rubs chin
 
@Gimby very slightly carbonated
 
@YvetteColomb I keep track of everything /s
 
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1:39 PM
I was in love with a Dutch man many years ago. He was very tall LOL
 
@YvetteColomb You remind me of Heintje Davids (dutch only), specially the effect called after her.
 
Has any SE site ever been shutdown? Locked? Or removed? Because a site without moderators might have to be.
 
@YvetteColomb Yeap, we are generally quite tall
 
@Raedwald yes.
 
@Raedwald I'd have to imagine that power is only used....(wait for it)....in moderation.
ba dum tss
 
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1:40 PM
she met a journalist? did I get that right @rene?
 
@Cerbrus Yikes. I can almost feel it.
 
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@Cerbrus yep he told me that. I was a foot taller then me - like 12 inches, not a foot with toes
 
*He
 
Silly imperial mesurements...
 
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oh he.. made a lot of come backs (I found an English page)
 
1:42 PM
right
 
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@Cerbrus ikr! we're metric, yet I measure myself in hands! I'm 16 hands high
 
@Cerbrus now that's the main problem with America - I know the transition is hard, but, sheesh. Metric makes so much more sense.
 
@YvetteColomb Whose hands
 
@Brandon_J a big problem, sure. But "main"? Hardly :P
 
@rene which one(s)?
 
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1:42 PM
@SébastienRenauld hehehe! any handsome man of the right age group!
 
Why do they have to be handsome or a man
Are you telling me some hands are worth more than others?
;-)
 
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@SébastienRenauld cos if I have 16 of them I want to enjoy them! lol
 
All hands are equal but some hands are more equal than others
 
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lmao
 
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a hand == 4 inches
 
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1:44 PM
so I measure my horses by where they come up to on my body - or if they're above my head. I do occasionally pull out a tape measure
 
Is there any update on the official response the Company is going to give today or tomorrow. I can't find the comment that indicated that anymore hidden in the forest of comments about resignations, pronouns, queerness, welcoming, respect, etc. etc.
 
Not yet
 
@Cerbrus nah. Political, social, and economic problems are obviously inconsequential compared to the travesty that is the imperial system. Do we know what we are doing to high school students?
 
So what you're telling me, @YvetteColomb, is if you lose both of your legs you'll suddenly have to redo all your measurements for all your horses
 
I'm 6 hands high - granted, they do belong to this guy
 
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1:45 PM
@SébastienRenauld well yes. It will make it much harder, as they will all be taller then me
 
@Luuklag If there were, you would be seeing a wall of text flying by right now :)
 
@YvetteColomb Very efficient way. Used to do these things in the past when I was working in a tree nursery as well.
 
@SébastienRenauld There might be more immediate issues
 
@Gimby True.
 
BTW, if you want some ridiculous units, physicists have a bunch
I love the units for particle physics - there's a barn, a shed and an outhouse
 
1:45 PM
The slug did nothing wrong
 
and all 3 of them are real
 
Does anyone have a link to the comment that "announced" there at least will be an official repsonse? Or is that since deleted?
 
@Brandon_J I drink water in litres, beer in pints.
 
@OrangeDog some went out of public beta. Area 51 has that info. A few sites have made a transition
 
A shake is an informal unit of time equal to 10 nanoseconds, or 10−8 seconds. It has applications in nuclear physics, helping to conveniently express the timing of various events in a nuclear reaction, especially neutron reactions. The typical time required for one step in the chain reaction (i.e. the typical time for each neutron to cause a fission event, which releases more neutrons) is of the order of 1 shake, and the chain reaction is typically complete by 50 to 100 shakes.This is also applicable to circuits. Since signal progression in IC chips is very rapid, on the order of nanoseconds, a...
 
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1:46 PM
@Luuklag it is surprisingly accurate. Where my nose goes to, if they reach my chin. What sort of nursery did you work in? Plants are very therapeutic - unless they are talking flowers - we do have a friendly talking cactus
 
@Raedwald well of course. Only when you're drinking does the imperial system makes sense. :D
 
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@SébastienRenauld ooh sounds very rural
 
@YvetteColomb shrubs, of all sorts and varieties. We used like - Knee, hip, shoulder, waist. To indicate standard trade measures. Like 100-125, 150-175 etc.
 
@Brandon_J Peasant units. Don't have a tape measurer? Measure with your feet! Don't have a scale? Measure in stones! Feet too small? Measure in yards!
 
A barn (symbol: b) is a unit of area equal to 10−28 m2 (or 100 fm2). Originally used in nuclear physics for expressing the cross sectional area of nuclei and nuclear reactions, today it is also used in all fields of high-energy physics to express the cross sections of any scattering process, and is best understood as a measure of the probability of interaction between small particles. A barn is approximately the cross-sectional area of a uranium nucleus. The barn is also the unit of area used in nuclear quadrupole resonance and nuclear magnetic resonance to quantify the interaction of a nucleus...
 
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1:48 PM
@Luuklag exactly. I remember how tall my little brumby boy was when I got him, he was up to my hip bone - teeny weeny
 
More idiomatic
 
and there's 5,280 feet in a mile! 5,280!!! This does not make conversions easy!
 
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@Mgetz a bran is also a place to store hay and house farm animals
 
@YvetteColomb Bran is a type of cereal.
 
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@Brandon_J it keeps the imperialists sharp
 
1:48 PM
@YvetteColomb mmmmmmmm bran
 
Which you could store in a barn?
 
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@Druckles lmao! doh!
 
@YvetteColomb I'm aware, but it's more about the idiom than anything else.
 
@Druckles It's also a three-eyed raven.
 
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@Mgetz I know, I'm being totally silly :)
 
1:49 PM
I'm being literal
 
@NickA Bran flakes or all-bran?
 
The unit of beauty is the milli Helen: the quantity of beauty to launch one ship.
 
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omg we've lost the plot - why does this happen when I'm in here?
 
@YvetteColomb you're always here
 
@Druckles flakes, not a fan of all-bran
 
1:50 PM
@YvetteColomb You cannot lose that which was you never had to begin with.
 
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@Mgetz hey don't you go pulling the literal card on me - I'm quite literal myself in RL. It has led to many misunderstandings!
 
FWIW I'm vaguely disturbed to realize that I'm more perturbed by the imperial system than the storm SO is weathering. I can approach the SO storm fairly calmly. The Imperial System? NO!! IT CAN NOT BE BORNE!!
 
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@OrangeDog hmmmm rubs chin you make a valid point
 
@Brandon_J What's wrong with barley corns?
 
@YvetteColomb Not much plot left to dig. May as well shoot the breeze
 
1:51 PM
@YvetteColomb literally? ducks
 
hope the breeze has a bullet-proof vest.
 
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@Brandon_J hang on - calm down - here's a metric tape measure to wrap around your head
 
@YvetteColomb TBF, the imperial system is totally insane
 
@YvetteColomb ahhhh....*breathes*...oooh.....*hiccups*.....thanks.
 
The imperial system is just a holdover from the chaotic past, because somebody in the 16th century hijacked a transatlantic cargo ship with a certain metal alloy cylinder in its cargo hold.
 
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1:52 PM
when you're talking about your friends - you ask someone how's your friendly bin?
 
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Imperial System lengths are actually metric, because the inch is defined in terms of the cm.
 
@Raedwald Idd, I watched a youtube video on that yesterday, I think a veritasium one
 
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@NickA honestly it suits the human experience doesn't it?
 
@NickA this may sound odd but actually it's not insane at all. It was formulated around common things people needed to share rather than an arbitrary scientific unit. So in some sense while that that may seem disconnected is quite rational
 
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1:54 PM
@Brandon_J here - carry this 30 cm ruler with you where ever you go. And this litre measuring jug.
 
I like powers of 10
 
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I like powers of invisibility and flight
 
@YvetteColomb You mean a 12" ruler?
 
@YvetteColomb Especially the combi is quite potent.
 
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@NickA well actually - yes
 
1:54 PM
@YvetteColomb because why not have the intermediate unit of time thirty times smaller than the smallest one?
 
My car 40 gets rods to the hogshead, and that's the way I likes it
 
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@JohnDvorak exactly!
 
@YvetteColomb the weird thing is I'm so used to the imperial system - I'm even fighting myself.
Temperature would be the hardest one to change IMO
 
It is no coincidence that 1 metre is about 1 yard, or 1 kg he same order of magnitude as 1 lb.
 
@DanNeely Better than forty furlongs to the fortnight!
 
1:56 PM
@Brandon_J *easiest
 
@Brandon_J Temperature is the worse one
 
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@Brandon_J Oh I'm strictly a Celsius person - or Kelvin if needed
 
"the 0 should be the coldest bucket of liquid I can reproduce, and 100 should be this horse right here"
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@YvetteColomb ironically I'm not, I prefer the greater degradation of the imperial scale
 
@Brandon_J Temperature is a tough one. The "real" unit of temperature is the kelvin
celsius vs fahrenheit is a gigantic toss-up
 
1:57 PM
Strictly Celsius. No Fahrenheit or Kelvin (unless of the USS variety) here.
 
IMO Celsius is a good practical application of Kelvin.
 
I personally find that as a unit of understanding how hot it's going to be Fahrenheit is a useful scale
 
I like celsius because of its simplicity
 
"It's 50 degrees in Dubai right now" wraps up warm
 
100 is boiling water 0 is freezing water
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1:57 PM
Celsius 232 doesn't have the same ring to it
 
@Magisch yeah, everything around us is labelled with it!
 
most of our lives revolve around water
 
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the sky is tall
 
@Magisch from a scientific point of view it's still arbitrary as to why we're using a pure form of dihydrogen monoxide.
which has odd behaviors anyway
 
@Magisch Important detail: at sea level
 
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1:58 PM
@Magisch exactly so simple
 
@YvetteColomb I thought that word was insulting
 
fortunately I am blessed with a precisely one inch diameter thumb
 
@AndrasDeak What? Lumberjacks are a noble breed
 
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@AndrasDeak deleted - sorry
 
@Mgetz cause we mostly consist of and interact a lot with dihidrogen monoxide at sea level
 
1:59 PM
@Veskah heh
 
water in the temperature between boiling and freezing is arguably the main building block of all life
 
According to one version of the story, the difference between the length of a human arm and an angel arm was the reason dinosaurs didn't fit into Noah's ark and had to be left behind.
 
@Magisch exactly none of which is pure
 
@YvetteColomb (just to be clear when I said "I thought" I meant "I was under the impression")
 

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