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user3956566
2:00 PM
you see what the imperial system does? it destroys humour
 
@Magisch ask the Finns
 
@OrangeDog A useful place to have an inch. Others aren't so fortunate cough
 
@YvetteColomb you assume I had any to begin with
 
@Magisch not the carbon chain?
 
user3956566
@AndrasDeak oh I felt uncomfortable writing it, but couldn't think of a better way to make my joke - which wasn't funny... :/
 
user3956566
@Mgetz hey - you brought in the barn measurement - you have the humours!
 
@JohnDvorak thought it was because the ark had a door and their little arms couldn't open it
 
@YvetteColomb dwarf
 
@SébastienRenauld strictly speaking @SébastienRenauld did actually
derp
 
2:01 PM
@SébastienRenauld The door had been built open and could only close once
 
@YvetteColomb I'm sorry to say but barn is a unit of surface area
 
Doh, or given it's horses, "jockey" would've been perfect
I'm getting rusty
 
need some WD-40?
 
user3956566
lol the measure of 14cm!! nsfw! but hilarious
 
user3956566
@AndrasDeak or a large stable
 
2:02 PM
oops didn't see that
 
@Brandon_J I remember when my spit bounced.
 
should I redact that message? @YvetteColomb
 
@YvetteColomb Seems a bit undersized IMO >.> ...
 
@NickA Yeah totally, bro.... :'DDD
 
ugh
 
2:03 PM
@Cerbrus an agreement to enter into some kind of business with another party, such as being a moderator for a site, is definitely something that could be brought up and tried in a courtroom. The only considerations are did you enter into it willingly, are all provisions in the contract legal, and is the contract balanced to avoid undue burden/weight toward a particular party. If the answer to each of those is yes, then it's a valid and legal contract under the law.
(also contracts don't have to be written - they can be verbal)
 
@YvetteColomb It's just a body part. It's a really bad choice to use to measure with though.
 
At least that's how US law works
other countries I'm sure are different
 
@Gimby Yeah, I wouldn't much enjoy using it as a measuring stick in a public place
 
@NickA I like how you specifically say "public place"
 
I'm not the one you need to convince though, @TylerH
 
user3956566
2:05 PM
@NickA well I didnt want to say anything... O.O
 
@Cerbrus as if that has ever happened before
 
user3956566
@Brandon_J nope it's hilarious
 
@AndrasDeak Wut?
 
you're one of the most stubborn people I've seen on meta :D
 
Over here NDAs without contract penalties are definitely enforcible via injunction and you can sue for damages
 
user3956566
2:05 PM
@Gimby lmao!!! way to get arrested
 
@AndrasDeak Because I'm always right
 
@Magisch I bet it all has to be written though
 
user3956566
@TylerH and here too
 
@Cerbrus that explains it!
 
Stack Overflow could certainly pursue litigation against a moderator who was found in breach of the moderator agreement. However, unless the moderator divulged protected information about a person or company secrets, it's almost surely litigation that would be dismissed by the court, as it can be satisfactorily resolved by simply terminating the moderator's position.
 
2:06 PM
@Cerbrus have you considered incorporating the viewpoint of people from the left? ;)
 
@Brandon_J no way, in multiple aspects xD
 
@Brandon_J That's quite penetrating but won't solve the rust issue..
 
user3956566
@TylerH but an individual moderator may be able to sue someone - depends on - it would need to be extreme
 
@Gimby Well I don't see any reason not to in a private place
 
@NickA I like how you think, but I still wouldn't if there are hammers, nails and saws involved.
 
2:09 PM
ya guys know what else bugs me? the word "iron". It's pronounced "iorn" and spelled "iron."
 
@YvetteColomb what do you mean by 'someone'?
 
@Brandon_J How would you pronounce the words "ire" followed by the word "on"?
 
user3956566
@TylerH possibly another mod for damages - or the network
 
like I know the English language is weird, but switching letters for no reason...
 
user3956566
if privacy was breached - but it would have to be an extreme case for damages
 
user3956566
2:10 PM
anyway it's time for me to sleepz
 
@Brandon_J I pronounce it "eye-n"
 
@Druckles "Ire," "on"
 
@OrangeDog You're wrong
 
Just go the Napster route and sue for 37 billion dollars
 
an individual moderator could sue another moderator for libel but then the transcript would be published in the court record either way, which would be a huge mess
 
2:10 PM
@NickA I'm British
 
user3956566
Fe
 
user3956566
iron
 
@YvetteColomb Want us to tell you to go to sleep if you come back?
 
@YvetteColomb they would have to prove damages and as it's an unpaid position they'd basically be using libel law. Which at least in the US is not going to get them very far.
 
@OrangeDog So am I, you're still wrong :P
 
user3956566
2:11 PM
@Zoethetransgirl yes- if I come back within 8 hours - feel free to snap and bite. It will work.
 
IMO it's closer to "eye-urn"
 
"errgn" is also acceptable
 
@YvetteColomb Great! Now go sleep :squint:
 
user3956566
@Mgetz oh it's highly unlikely
 
the libel claim would be done irrespective of any agreement between a moderator (or moderators) and the company vis a vis the moderator agreement. A moderator could not sue another moderator for violating the moderator agreement, in other words.
as they don't have standing
 
user3956566
2:11 PM
@Zoethetransgirl darn it that squint - it works!
 
@YvetteColomb They'd be better off making an employment claim
 
@OrangeDog Making me cry here.
 
@YvetteColomb It's very convincing >.>
 
@NickA to be specific it's /ˈʌɪən/
 
user3956566
@NickA no wonder you have no popcorn left!
 
2:12 PM
@YvetteColomb Of course it does! The Zoe effect never fails :P
 
which does not contain an "urn" sound
 
@TylerH under most circumstances yes, in extraordinary and public ones potentially no. But it will still be a very uphill battle.
 
@YvetteColomb Yeah :(
 
@Zoethetransgirl ooh let me try *squints*
Nope, not working
 
user3956566
@TylerH I believe you - you sound convincing - now I must go. I have a Zo on my tail!
 
2:13 PM
@Brandon_J The Zoe Effect never fails for me.
@YvetteColomb I thought you didn't have a tail. But sleeeep :squint:
 
My 5 year old daughter is learning to read and write. Oh, the joy of English spelling.
 
for(){sleep 3600} There, sleep forever for an hour at a time
 
yeh, but you see, if you end up with a blocking call in the for loop, you risk sleeping for an hour, then doing 48 hours of work, and sleep another hour
 
@Mgetz it's unclear what you're responding yes and no to
 
Don't forget to take a break; from time to time, and rather return; later.
 
2:16 PM
@OrangeDog It's funny, the more I say it the less sure I am, there's kinda like a half r sound, not a full r, but a half r
 
@Veskah If she sleeps in C++, an infinite loop has undefined behaviour. stackoverflow.com/a/5905171/545127
 
@NickA there's plenty of r in it if you're Northern Irish
and a spectrum down to London
 
@Veskah the question is, does that language's sleep work off real time or monotonic time?
 
My English is very mixed, a large amount of it is RP, but there are a few words which are..., I dunno, my own accent
 
@TylerH yes it would be painfully difficult to prove standing. No it's not impossible but highly improbable
 
2:19 PM
@SébastienRenauld uh oh, I'm scared to ask which has the former
 
@Raedwald sleep is an IO call
 
That was powershell. It uses ??? time
 
@NickA there's certainly no R in RP
 
@OrangeDog I'm aware :P, hence, there are a few words that aren't, I don't even know if I pronounce the R
I'd have to ask someone lol
 
@Mgetz I don't think I can imagine a situation where a moderator could prove standing in suing another moderator for violating the moderator agreement. Any violation that affects another moderator that crosses legal boundaries would be focused on some other thing like "you published my personal information against the law" or "you tracked me down using my IP address and stalked me". A mod victim in this case could also sue SO for negligence (or complicity) in this regard
but they couldn't sue the other mod for violating the agreement
 
2:21 PM
Did this quiz some time ago (worth doing) that put me as a southerner...
 
@TylerH moderator agreement no, I was talking libel. At most they'd use the breaking of the agreement as evidence.
 
@NickA Wrong. The Swiss do. Always. And shake hands.
 
@Mgetz Interesting. Blocks means it can not be implemented as a busy wait, however short the sleep.
 
@Raedwald dunno, not a language lawyer.
 
2:29 PM
@NickA I was placed relatively accurately.
 
@Mgetz Yes, but to my point that's not a lawsuit about breaking the moderator agreement. It's about publishing untruthful statements that cast the victim in a bad light (and, ironically, would require both parties to participate in an event where they violate the moderator agreement, because the court would require access to the transcript, and it's not the kind of thing that would probably be sensitive enough for the court to seal it from the public record)
 
@Druckles I was born and have always lived in NE Scotland... my accent does not remotely match where I am
 
@NickA I think everything in Northern Scotland is an outlier :-p
 
@NickA Heh, Glaswegian here - have been domesticated by the English though so nobody believes I'm Scottish xD
 
@Lewis Ewww ;)
 
2:31 PM
@NickA IIRC, it scattered me in several SE England locations. I guess living in London for several decades has added some noise to the signal (I grew up in Oxfordshire).
 
@Lewis is Glaswegian a mix between someone from Glasgow and Norway?
or is that how people from Glasgow call themselves
 
@TylerH No, just Glasgow
 
^ yep, what Nick A says.
 
@Raedwald Do what I did and add a couple of years in the netherlands for that unmistakable accent
(I also grew up around Oxfordshire)
 
@TylerH A lot of names for people from European cities are weird.
 
2:36 PM
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Q: How to restore a derailed question?

OverLordGoldDragonI posted a question to which I already had an answer, to invite curiosity and thoughtful alternatives - but it was quickly derailed by a series of comments that, put simply, cast my question as illegitimate in light of commenters' own lack of knowledge. The first comment (/commenter, FC) raised ...

 
Ahh, the post is locked again. Can we get a lock that doesn't allow comments but votes?
 
> A lot of names are weird
Fixed that for you :-P
 
For example, I live in Blackpool now - they call themselves Sangronian. Makes no sense.
 
@JohannesKuhn There is probably a for that
 
@Lewis Ok, never heard that one.
Although we just used to call people from Blackpool "Sorry".
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2:37 PM
ROFL
 
Haha xD Oh dear.
 
@JohannesKuhn aw, I missed absolute zero :/
 
@JohannesKuhn "This post has been locked due to the high amount of off-topic comments generated". If so, there is no good reason to unlock it anytime soon.
 
Apparently Dublin is Irish for Blackpool :o
 
@Lewis apparently it's 'sandgrownian' or 'sandgrown'un' -- people who were born on the seaside (see also: seasiders) and grew up there
 
2:39 PM
@TylerH I hope. It makes sense to "freeze" old posts for historical significance and preserve their current state including votes, but for s heated debate like this I believe this is counterproductive.
 
from my 5 second google search
 
Wow, it's now the second most downvoted post on meta, only behind HMP removal
 
@JohannesKuhn locking an answer is also typically a temporary thing, though
 
Ah, ok: "Blackpudlians". That name I'm familiar with.
Same as "Liverpudlian" although Scouse was far more common.
 
it's done when comments get heated under a post or when there's a rollback war in some cases
 
2:40 PM
@TylerH Ahh, that makes a lot of sense.
 
Also, despite George's comment suggesting comments about it can come here meta.stackoverflow.com/questions/389906/… actually, no chat.stackoverflow.com/transcript/message/47452489#47452489
 
@TylerH I agree that it is sometimes necessary to also lock the votes. But there are more reasons not to lock the votes than to lock them.
 
See people call us Aberdonians ... or sheep coughers
 
Excuse me, that's the welsh
Title is already taken
 
@SébastienRenauld That's what I've heard too ;-)
 
2:42 PM
Yeah, the welsh are, us too though apparently
 
@NickA Tell us more about your hobbies
 
@JohannesKuhn there's only the one kind of lock
 
NSFW
 
@Druckles It wasn't safe for the sheep either
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2:43 PM
@Raedwald that's conflating two things
 
@AndrasDeak I know. I still have the opinion that a lock that locks votes is not productive in this case.
 
George's comment is about discussion of Sara's response or the resignations in general. The cause for them (purportedly) is what's off-topic because it's all based on speculation about an as-of-yet unpublished version of the Code of Conduct.
 
@JohannesKuhn It does have some merit, tbh. people who can't comment statistically are more likely to dump a downvote when they normally wouldn't have out of impossibility to act
 
Luckily there's a discord channel you can join to discuss the cause if you feel so strongly inclined - it's pinned on the starboard over to the right
 
@TylerH "Starboard" is self-referencing for which side it is ;-)
 
2:47 PM
@TylerH There is perhaps a narrow area of discussion that could happen here without things going down hill. But we haven't found it yet!
 
@SébastienRenauld You're so nautical.
 
@SébastienRenauld Ans this might be a good thing now. If someone comes along, and can voice their disagreement using a vote, this might be better (remember voting on meta is different) for now.
 
@NickA I'm now going to have to assume that all of your popcorn is Battered.
 
@SébastienRenauld Here I was referring to the board of stars, not the side of a proverbial ship :-)
@SébastienRenauld I would posit that voting is acting
 
@Mgetz the truth is an absolute defense against libel. And statements of opinion (not provably false statements) are protected speech (would fail in a libel suit)
 
2:52 PM
@GeorgeStocker depends on Jurisdiction. In the US the plaintiff must prove mens rea and malicious intent. In the UK that's not required for example.
 
@Mgetz I only know US law
And of course it differs among jurisdiction in the US, but usually only in the case of whether you can file an anti-SLAPP suit in response
 
@GeorgeStocker motion not suit, biiiig difference
tbf I'm being pedantic at the moment
 
@Mgetz meh, there are worse traits than being pedantic.
 
oh hi
 
3:24 PM
-3
Q: Edit Peer Review process broken

kbickarRecently I was using some code from a helpful answer and realized it wouldn't compile due to a small error. The author had accidentally used a variable out of scope and the class variable should have been used instead. Seemed like a simple fix so I submitted and edit to the answer to correct ...

 
We really need a "logged in" featured section
if people are so goddamned afraid of the world at large seeing what's going on in meta
 
The argument was they get too many votes and comments, so that wouldn't apply
 
@canon Amen
@KevinB hi
 
I think the argument was against airing our dirty laundry on such a massively visible site. That can be mitigated by limited featured meta posts to people who log into the site, people active on meta, or whatever.
 
@Feeds meanwhile, life goes on as usual
 
3:33 PM
No. Mods said it was because it makes too much work for them. Staff said downvotes give them panic attacks.
 
"panic attacks"
 
those were the exact words, yes
 
that's another argument
 
nobody has publically said it's a reputational issue
 
the more recent one made by George, as rationale for de-featuring that post, was more about visibility
 
3:35 PM
to my knowledge
 
@OrangeDog sorry, <finger quotes>*panic attacks*</finger quotes>
 
pretty sure George was saying (in here) it's because it's too much work to moderate
 
@NickA can html or xml tags have spaces in between?
 
@canon George does not represent SE.
 
@Raedwald Rather acts like he does.
 
3:36 PM
@NickA I think that was discussed and is better put to rest, like most of the recent discussions
 
he does, he's given up.
 
@weegee ¯\_(ツ)_/¯
 
It's not gonna get anywhere anyway. There are much better ways to make your argument
 
I'm not looking for change, just a good fight
 
Meh I'm sleepy
 
3:38 PM
I might have panic attacks if everything I did was constantly scrutinized... by hundreds of people.
 
@weegee Not in their names.
 
@canon Then you probably shouldn't be employed in a position that requires it of you
 
@canon Panic attacks are possibly the single most terrifying thing that I've ever had the misfortune to experience, if I was in a situation where I might have one I would GTFO
 
@Druckles Whoa that got personal fast
 
3:40 PM
@OrangeDog I agree. That said, I think many of the employees who tried engaging with the community figured out that it wasn't really required; so, they just stopped doing it. It wasn't worth the stress. So, the community languishes in an echo chamber.
 
I just want to be rich without the famous part; if nobody knows you, nobody knows how stupid you are
 
@Druckles wouldn't it be a attribute then?
 
@NickA I think most of them did "gtfo" by simply disengaging. :/
 
@weegee Yes, but you won't have attributes in closing tags
 
@canon the only time I saw people ever piling on was when changes were sprung upon the community and not previously discussed.
 
3:43 PM
@canon At which point they weren't doing their jobs and someone else should've been given the responsibility of doing it
Someone has to be the spokesperson
 
@NickA when a dev or PM rolls in to engage the community, that's not necessarily their job; that's a CM's job.
 
despite Sara's blog post about how negative feedback isn't a personal attack and you should listen to it
 
@canon Oh yeah, that's fine, my problem was that nobody was talking, I didn't mind who did it, and they can't all have risked panic attacks
 
I think their argument has been that our feedback isn't statistically relevant -or that we're not representative of the greater userbase.
 
ignoring the times when our negative feedback was actually agreed with and immediately implemented
 
3:46 PM
Unless you guys are paying them for a service, your opinion means 0
(to them)
not to me, you beautiful people
 
@ndugger We are their service
 
Well you make them sad
 
We were a vehicle for getting Q&A enough visibility and brand recognition to sell Enterprise and Teams. I don't know that they care much at this point.
 
@ndugger Sending back a steak in a restaurant makes the chef feel sad too, but they still get on with it and make a new one that's better than before
 
Right, and now it feels like their business model has changed, pushing aisde the content contributors, and focusing on more B2B content
 
3:48 PM
@NickA some restaurants might punish the customer for that...
 
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Q: Should I remove a tag when it's slightly related but has no effect on the question?

Caddy DZI just edited this question by removing what I suppose as irrelevant tags The question is primarily about VueJS and maybe HTML and DOM but has nothing to do with Laravel except for one thing I think OP included the two Laravel tags because he passed Laravel Blade rendered routes (which are just...

 
You're probably right. At this point we are pretty much dispensable. Even if everyone disappeared SO would remain a extremely popular site with the amount of info it has.
 
But guess what, SE, nobody wnats your B2B services
Congratulations
 
@canon If they did then do you think they'd last?
 
@Script47 eh, i agree with the former, but the latter? every day it gets harder and harder to find good information on SO. Try finding any good info on CORS errors on SO, all you'll find is people suggesting installing a browser plugin or not using CORS.
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It's already the blind leading the blind and getting worse every day
 
3:50 PM
@KevinB if everyone disappeared then there'd be no more posts so it wouldn't get worse. But that's not what's going to happen.
 
It's almost as if SO has become the "beginners" site people were always asking for
 
The problem is that SO was too successful, and the sites who were happy to provide extended debugging services or play 20 questions to figure out a users actual problem have near zero visibility these days.
 
@KevinB

https://stackoverflow.com/questions/10636611/how-does-access-control-allow-origin-header-work
https://stackoverflow.com/questions/14681292/same-origin-policy-and-cors-cross-origin-resource-sharing
https://stackoverflow.com/questions/10636611/how-does-access-control-allow-origin-header-work

Two Google searches. I see your point but my point is that SO is established, it seems as though their focus is moving to Teams/Jobs. I guess the ad revenue would keep pouring in even if they got rid of us because of existing content.
 
@NickA If you live in the states, people have spat in your food. 100%. Not all the time and not everywhere... but within a certain price range, if you send your food back to the kitchen, you run a very real risk.
 
@canon Good thing I don't ;p
 
3:56 PM
That's good for multiple reasons at the moment. :/
 
Although would understand if it happened there considering how abysmally their waiting staff are paid
 
go to better establishments
 
"within a certain price range"
 
i mean, what kind of price range are you talkin bout?
 
Chilis, Applebees, Fridays, and below
pretty much, economy dine-in
 
4:09 PM
ah, yeah, i don't do that
 
those aren't career waiters and culinary professionals
 
dunno what their price ranges are
 
those are students or.... something
 
a meal for 3 at our fav steakhouse is ~ 60$ before discounts
 
per person?
 
4:10 PM
nah
total
and the waiter staff is often younger people, but they've got great management
 
That's about how much it is for a steak and an old fashioned at the place near me. It's a downtown Chicago place, though. Everything's ridiculous here.
 
this is in mississippi, where nothing's expensive
:p
 
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Q: Turn off highlighted jobs email for single company?

AndyI have the following alert settings for my jobs (nothing is in the "Job Alerts" section). Occasionally, I get emails highlighting special jobs. (Hooray! That's my setting). The problem is, I've now gotten this email twice and it features the company I currently work for. Can I exclude my com...

 
A quality steak is more like £30 around here. For one.
@canon I didn't know that sort of thing was legal in Chicago :p
 
I think the most expensive they have here is ~ $24, across the border in alabama there's diamond jims though... they're very good, but super expensive
 
4:14 PM
@KevinB after tax?
 
before, and before drinks etc
 
@KevinB Ah yes, Alabama, the fancy state :-P
 
They're also only open like 2-3 days a week, so you have to arrive before they open to even get seated
but we tend to just go to logans locally
 
btw, I plan to continue treating everyone as genderless brains in jars. I hope that doesn't offend anyone.
 
4:18 PM
It will
but it doesn't matter really, not like you're gonna get banned immediately
 
@KevinB womp.
 
It's pretty easy to avoid such problems.
Don't comment. If the post needs clarification, there's a close reason and a downvote button for that
 
Downvoting without a comment is, drumrull please, also perceived as offensive by some people
 
"For discussion about pronouns in CoC, join the discord server"
 
that's ok
 
4:23 PM
But it's not something that anyone can ever sanction
also that
no pronoun discussions in here
 
4:34 PM
Outlawing any discussion of a problem the "community" is trying to fix is a rather odd way of trying to fix it
 
I miss 2012-era /tg/ and /v/ when I was bored.
 
@KevinB That's... expensive.....?
 
"most"
The perks of living somewhere reasonable
 
The most expensive steak i've had was £47 (about $58), the most expensive meal I've had was £200 ($246) per person
 
The most expensive meals I've had have always been someone else paying
 
4:41 PM
@KevinB once there is a written policy to discuss im sure there will be places for it. Right now there is no written policy and the last two attempts to discuss it have ended in people being kicked, suspended, and the room being frozen on one occasion
 
@OrangeDog I also wasn't paying :P
 
So let’s wait until the ink is dry to talk about it
 
Steak was at the Hand and Flowers (2* mich) in Marlow and the 200 was Paris House, and 14(?) courses at the chef's table
 
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Q: How to handle conflicting responses to comment flags

ekhumoroI recently flagged a comment for moderator attention, pointing out that the user regularly posted such comments, and asked whether what they were doing was an acceptable practice. The flag was subsequently marked as helpful and the comment was deleted. Taking encouragement from this, the next da...

 
@Feeds that is one for @GeorgeStocker to look into ...
 
5:01 PM
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Q: "Closed: Off Topic" is used why too often, we need a better approach

JohnCMore than half the time when I run across questions assigned "Closed: Off Topic" they contains exactly the answer I needed at that moment. I don't care that they doesn't meet the strict scope of one Stack or another. I care that they helped me, answered my question. Stack needs to re-evaluate it...

 
@Feeds bold
 
5:23 PM
@GeorgeStocker Do we have a RO room yet? I've just gotten back, and frankly I'm still a drop in shock over how this has developed while I was offline.
 
@Mithrandir do not, in afaik
but today was a shite day to be in here, and so was yesterday
 
Yeah... I'm just catching up on the Meta.SE post now. When I went offline, it was still just at +3 :P
 
There's like 5k messages between then and now here
The room got frozen in the meantime too
 
5:44 PM
We should get the room frozen again. No, I'm not a bad actor, you are.
 
Not helping.
 
ndugger rarely is
 
#SOReadyToHelp
 
@ndugger for a variety of reasons that's already effectively the case.
 
Oh yeah, I am SO ready to help. ;)
 
5:56 PM
@Feeds Hah, I read that as, "[...] last resort for the most fragrant cases [...]"
 
@canon Anything to do with rene is the most fragrant of cases
 
even his roots smell of petrichor
 
shakes petals
 
petrichor is such a fantastic word and one of my favourite smells
 
watch out rene, we have a serial smeller here
 
5:58 PM
@Mithrandir a room just for people who are room owners?
 
@TylerH Usually if a room is active enough there will be one - essentially a mini version of the moderator room for moderation of the room. In this case, George has just created one: chat.stackoverflow.com/rooms/200251/room-owners-gathering-place
 

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