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7:00 PM
38 mins ago, by Benjamin Gruenbaum
@KendallFrey I didn't discourage any flags nor did I say flagging that message was wrong. I was only pointing out to the unusual number of spectators we've been getting that none of the participants took offense.
 
user1596138
I don't think any other newer users are going to read on. That's why I brought it up :P
 
user1596138
Alright then.
 
This song is really poppy, but I really enjoyed it
 
7:01 PM
i mean.. you can't really say that the flagged message shouldn't have offended anyone. maybe it did, but i'm positive it didn't offend those involved.
 
user1596138
For? I still think it looks pretty bad
 
@KevinB which is why I said that
@Jhawins for bringing it up
 
user1596138
:P
 
smiley fight
 
7:02 PM
@SomeGuy :D
 
user1596138
I've been working on Safari bugs all day. Please excuse my perceived "mood"
 
It's okay we're used to it
 
@SterlingArcher red is good
 
@KendallFrey is it a special day today or something
 
this one is my favorite @SterlingArcher
 
7:03 PM
in the context of service ontario being open
 
I thought safari was dead?
 
@DavidKamer Some people still use macs
 
safari aka the only browser for macs?
 
Yeah but I downloaded chrome onto my iphone and mac
 
hehe. They did say they were discontinuing it?
 
7:04 PM
@Mosho not that I can think of
 
thanks
 
I found the battery life on my macbook air was a lot better when I used safari
 
user1596138
@SterlingArcher Thats safari
 
Maybe that's because nothing works on safari
 
user1596138
On iOS there is only one webview afaik
 
7:05 PM
Searched it. They discontinued the windows version
 
user1596138
Everything is a safari wrapper haha
 
I think that's right, I've read that too
 
Doesn't mobile safari have the highest ES6 support though?
 
user1596138
Yea Safari for Win has been gone since like V6
 
now, if only Windows would discontinue its browser..
 
7:05 PM
@Jhawins there is two, they're both Safari
@Jhawins right, because Chrome :D
@SterlingArcher ES6 (sans tail calls) works everywhere out of the box nowadays
(Except IE11 if you still support that)
 
Still no tail calls eh?
 
user1596138
o/
 
Interesting
 
TCE got cancelled
 
Ohhhh
my go to reference
 
user2620028
7:07 PM
@benjamin man 16gb is what i am planning on putting into my next gaming rig, a text editor shouldn't be requiring that much lol
 
user1596138
@HatterisMad Which editor
 
I'm going to pollyfill my pollyfills for XP users lol.
 
@SterlingArcher TCE got cancelled in a later revision, any browsers supporting it will not be doing so from a spec PoV (though it's still allowed - it just messed with the developer debugging experience so Chrome and Firefox turned it off and removed it).
 
user2620028
@Jhawins we were talking about vs
 
user1596138
That's no editor
 
7:08 PM
nice, you can subclass native stuff already
 
user1596138
That;s full blown IDE and makes total sense lol
 
user1596138
Or do you mean VSCode?
 
user2620028
no i meant vs
 
Windows is dead
 
@BenjaminGruenbaum kangax.github.io/compat-table/esnext looks like syntactic tail calls are still planned?
 
user1596138
7:09 PM
A text editor should also be like 20mb, VS is like multiple gb
 
just not supported. I'll have to watch the support progress on ESNext
 
@HatterisMad IME it works fine on 8 as long as you don't have another RAM hog on the system
 
VS is a lot more than a text editor :|
 
Why isn't Windows dead?
 
i mean, it's far more than text editor
 
7:10 PM
@DavidKamer PC gaming mostly :P
 
hardly
 
@DavidKamer because everyone uses it
 
user1596138
The text editing part of VS is prob like the smallest thing in the program lol
 
user2620028
@KendallFrey i just get really gun shy with VS as every time i have used it in the past it had a really bad habit of corrupting projects and crashing constantly
 
@SterlingArcher There are some pretty bomb Linux games. Rust, Stellaris Civ's
 
7:11 PM
vscode is only taking up 165mb of memory for me, not that absurd
 
@DavidKamer drop in the ocean
 
@HatterisMad it's pretty bad
 
@DavidKamer that's like saying there are some great Xbox one games
they're all on Windows as well though 😋
 
@KevinB completely different beast, that
 
@SterlingArcher that's stage 0 and it's for adding new syntax for tail calls which isn't what ES6 had
 
7:11 PM
VS and VS Code are like Java and JavaScript
 
user2620028
@Loktar halo, halo 2, halo 3
 
@SterlingArcher read "Stage 0" as "someone on the internet had an interesting idea" not as in "JavaScript is getting these".
 
i mean, vs to me seems like coldfusion builder to coldfusion
 
So steam will eventually kill windows along with Unreal Engine and Unity?
 
user2620028
gears of war
 
7:12 PM
@HatterisMad 1, and 2 are on PC
 
All have transpillers for Linux
 
What stage is "planned for JS"? Is that like stage 3?
 
GoW is on Windows as well, 1 and the most recent
 
I enjoyed Halo 5
 
user2620028
7:12 PM
@Loktar not cross platform though, and the experiences are very different
 
user2620028
i didn't know gow was on windows lol
 
@HatterisMad yeah on PC Halo 1 has higher resolution and mods!
@HatterisMad yeah I want to say the first 2 are? Also the most recent
 
@SterlingArcher 2 is relatively safe, 3 is pretty safe, 4 means they actually committed to it
 
@DavidKamer unity and UE are still not widely used
 
Why does mongoDB insert "_id: <a new ObjectId>" into each item in my array, after updating a document with an additional array? here is my original document:
    	{_id: <ObjectId>, some: "data"}
and here after I used bulkWrite with updateOne:
	{_id: <ObjectId>, some: "data", myArray: [ {_id: <ObjectId>, myData: "here"} ]}
Why does it insert _id: <ObjectId> inside my array
 
7:13 PM
@BenjaminGruenbaum thanks :)
 
compared to the gaming industry as a whole
 
user2620028
@Loktar tbf halo 1 on pc is a better experience for a pc gamer than it is on xbox for a console gamer
 
which has decades and billions invested in directx
 
user2620028
but halo 2 was definitely a better experience on the console than on pc
 
@Noface iirc mongo inserts all objects with a UUID attached
 
7:13 PM
not to mention 90% of users still use windows
 
maybe I'm misunderstanding the data though
 
@Mosho yeah that's the biggest reason
 
@Mosho But why do 90% use Windows?
 
@SterlingArcher ok thanks, now how do I stop this happening, since it is a waste of data ?
 
@DavidKamer history
 
7:14 PM
@DavidKamer because it's easier and most software works
people have moved to Linux and back to Windows
 
I'm not 100% sure you can, that's just how mongo works. Each document has an associated _id on it
 
Ok bathtubs are fun, I need one in my house now
 
Is it because it comes on your computer like McAfee and Norton lol? Both quality bloatware like Windows.
 
@Loktar chicken & egg though
 
7:15 PM
@Mosho yeah but why go look elsewhere for a chicken or egg when you already have both
 
@DavidKamer No, because McAfee and Norton are no longer on my machines, but Windows still is, bad comparison.
 
ok but it is a subdocument, it is just an array containing objects, inside my actual document.
 
user2620028
@Loktar i did that lol
 
@Loktar what I mean is that it's possibly easier because it's widely used
 
the .NET Framework isn't no chump either... a lot of Desktop applications rely on that.
 
user2620028
7:15 PM
@DavidKamer neithor of which came on my computer
 
user1596138
@Loktar Exceot every single one I want
 
@hilli_micha You just forgot to get rid of it with the rest of the bloatware lol jk
 
and it's widely used because of the history of it
 
@Jhawins which ones??
Halo is the only series I'm mildly interested in thats mostly on xbox and not on Windows
 
user2620028
@DavidKamer what bloatware
 
7:16 PM
@Noface if it's a subdocument maybe it shouldn't do that. Are you doing an upsert?
 
user1596138
@Loktar bingo
 
I've spoken with people that were around when Linux was released. Microsoft participated in Anti Trust type behavior to squash it in the Enterprise arena
 
user1596138
Oh shit it's Loktar
 
meh, I mean its like 3 games though
 
user1596138
Your avatar is messing with me my bad lol
 
7:17 PM
not an upsert, it is just updating a pre-existing document, which inserts the array inside it.
 
not that the xbox is bad or anything, lol just MS owns Windows as well
@Jhawins haha
 
user2620028
@Loktar that franchise alone is responsible for selling that console
 
user1596138
Yea Halo is the only one I actually know of offhand ;P
 
@HatterisMad I was calling Windows bloatware because it's inferior to other OS's except for that a lot of people use it. It's like lemmings and cliffs or something.
 
I am using mongoose, maybe I can define { _id: false } in the schema for this.
 
7:17 PM
@DavidKamer I mean the A10 on paper is inferior to a lot of planes... but it's still in use for many reasons
 
user2620028
@DavidKamer well that seems a bit opinionated
 
windows 10 is not inferior to other OS
 
^
Windows 10 is pretty awesome tbh
 
Honestly, I dual boot, but use Windows rarely. I just have so many issues with Windows in comparison
 
@Noface ah, I haven't used mongoose I'm not sure how to do that, sorry
 
user1596138
7:18 PM
@Loktar Because it turns everyone on
 
Besides the stupid update policy
 
I both love and hate windows.
 
user1596138
Jus sayin gimme some A10
 
@Jhawins haha
 
@Mosho What metrics? I'm referring to several
 
7:18 PM
Speaking of, the April 2018 Update rolls out today.
For Windows 10
 
@DavidKamer please provide some, you've provided as much as @Mosho has with his statement
but in fairness you did make the first statement of its inferiority :p
 
Ok
Less Ram usage
better sandboxing by default
 
ram is cheap
 
Is it?
 
and it doesn't use that much
 
user1596138
7:19 PM
@DavidKamer I'd also like to hear 1 example of an OS Win10 is inferior to
 
no no no, not text, I mean like actual sources
 
chrome uses 100 times as much
 
user1596138
There are none. Period lol
 
on both windows and ubuntu
 
chromium OS is the future :P
 
7:20 PM
I mean by that metric is Windows 95 even better since it can run on 8mb of ram?
 
user1596138
WinME was pretty dope
 
Simply saying 'Less RAM usage' is crap to begin with, because I can load up DOS and it uses less RAM, that doesn't make it better.
 
@Jhawins Linux (for certain uses-cases)
 
WinME was terrible IMO :D
 
^ fo sho
 
user1596138
7:20 PM
Yea but episode 1 racer
 
python for windows is garbage though
 
Win ME was pretty awful, but same coin different side, I miss Win 2000
 
That was a win 98 game first @Jhawins
 
user1596138
Remember running like 5 diff versions of WMP lmao
 
don't sully it's name with Windows ME! haha
 
7:21 PM
You know I had the hardest time getting python and pip installed from binary on windows?
 
Windows 10 is inferior because you don't have a choice if you have sucky internet. It will eat your bandwidth everytime it forces you to update. This is a social issue as much as a computer science issue and it discriminates against those less fortunate and in third world or poorer countries.
 
I enjoy my macOs, it's not a great OS or even a good one but everything always works out of the box.
 
There are controls for people with limited bandwidth.
 
@SterlingArcher they say anaconda is the way to go there
 
@DavidKamer untrue...
 
7:21 PM
@DavidKamer you can just turn off automatic downloading of updates.
 
user1596138
@DavidKamer Nah,m they got a box to tick for that for metered connections. Also you do whatever you want with it
 
there are actually metered options
 
@AndrasDeak I mean, that's about 2 years too late but I'll check it out next time hahaha
 
at least I think that's what they say
 
Also, Windows registry is inferior in every way
 
7:22 PM
there are like three different things ending in "conda" and I don't know any of them
 
windows registry isn't great, but using the file system has flaws too
 
@DavidKamer have you ever had a Keychain failure on OSX? It's a bloody nightmare
 
@DavidKamer By that logic, it seems the entire internet discriminates against people with slow connections
 
but it's not like you're exposed to it
as a normal user
 
Viruses and Windows go together like peanut butter and jelly
 
7:22 PM
@DavidKamer inferior to what?
 
I'm not gonna chase after "inferior in every way" :)
 
@DavidKamer because people actually use windows
makes sense to write your viruses for them
 
My keychain exploded a while back and I basically had to wipe the computer
 
I don't want only 10 people to get my virus you know?
phrasing 😉
 
Also, viruses aren't even that popular anymore, this isn't the late 90s/early 00s.
 
7:23 PM
@DavidKamer because windows was the most popular OS, now you could say "Android and viruses go together". Also, as someone who used Windows for quite a while I haven't had a virus since 2005.
 
not true. It has to do with admin rights and how windows handles privileges.
 
HI
 
@Nevin Welcome to the JavaScript chat! Please review the room rules. Please don't ask if you can ask or if anyone's around; just ask your question, and if anyone's free and interested they'll help.
 
I'm open to criticizing windows. I do it regularly. But the absolutism makes me recoil.
 
^ true
 
7:24 PM
You occasionally get something like Cryptolocker, but now people are more interested in exploiting and compromising services as opposed to individual machines.
 
Like I said, I run both, I just think that if you had the software choice of Windows, Linux would be the goto
 
@DavidKamer you're telling me it's not true I haven't had a virus since 2005 ? o_0
 
I have a doubt regarding javascript closure
 
@DavidKamer that's true with everything though
 
@DavidKamer it's one thing to have a personal preference, it's another to claim something is objectively superior.
 
7:24 PM
> If X was better or X had more features I'd use X, but instead I use Y
 
It's because you've been rooted and they just don't show you the source code so no one knows.
 
@Nevin like the rules say - don't ask to ask - just ask :)
@DavidKamer have you actually looked at the source code of your operating system?
 
user2620028
didnt mac have a security vulnerability recently where the root password was blank in production
 
Like, actually read the network stack and stuff
 
Every OS has exploits and vulnerabilities, some are found, some are not.
 
7:25 PM
@HatterisMad it was patched quickly lol but yet
 
@DavidKamer I lived through the Micro$oft days, if Windows was going to die, that would be the time. It's been the year of Linux since 1998, and well it just hasn't caught on with the masses.
on Desktop environments
 
@BenjaminGruenbaum That's a good point, but I was referring to objective superiority by metrics related to computer science directly not the fringe field of Human Interface.
 
@Loktar which are slowly dying
 
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@Nevin Please don't post unformatted code - hit Ctrl+K before sending, use up-arrow to edit messages, and see the faq.
 
@BenjaminGruenbaum yeah, or "evolving"
 
7:26 PM
I think the rate in which desktops have been 'dying' has hugely dropped though..it seems the tablet/mobile computing meme didn't really stick. But that is perception and nothing more.
 
traditional big box next to your desk for the household I imagine is dying
 
@SterlingArcher this fixed it, adding _id: false into the Schema inside the array.
 
No don't take away my box, I love my box.
 
@Noface glad it worked :)
 
however gamers are keeping them alive as well :p
 
7:27 PM
I mean ChromeOS is a great example of what the future looks like even if I don't particularly care for it
 
@DavidKamer actually, in terms of core code windows is pretty superior, the way evented I/O works for example. When the same company builds a monolith there are chances to optimize. Think about how consoles run games with inferior hardware. Linux does a lot things in a simpler way but it's not "faster" (unless you count faster as less expensive to buy)
 
Nice job
 
user1596138
@DavidKamer So everything you say they say "Wait no that exists" and you just move to the next empty complaint lmao
 
user2620028
@Loktar i was thinking the other day about how a simple work machine could be everything attached to a mATX and then a power supply and nothing more
 
@Nevin did you understand the welcome message and how to format code?
 
user1596138
7:27 PM
 
i understand the benefits of having a laptop and/or tablet, it just isn't practical in my every day routine.
 
It is good to learn MongoDB etc. without fluff, but I do recommend you use mongoose - it is really helpful for working with mongodb and it is not that complicated, just mostly defining Schemas for your data; built in validation.
 
when i use let vs var in loop my output is changing
 
user2620028
have a few m.2 hard drives thrown on an air cooled ryzen proc with a board with built in wifi... that is so compressed
 
for (let i = 1; i <= 5; ++i) {
  setTimeout(function(){
    console.log(i);
  }, 1000);
}
 
user2620028
7:28 PM
no need for drive bays anymore
 
@Nevin yeah, that's called the JavaScript closure loop problem.
 
I can't remember what wrapper we used for mongo
 
It wasn't sequelize..
Hmm
 
@BenjaminGruenbaum How would you know unless you are Microsoft engineer? The source code isn't available to review. Also Windows, from my experience, is unpredictable because of it its Monolific design
 
7:28 PM
@BenjaminGruenbaum is that really relevant in the context of var/let
 
One service can fail and the whole system fails
 
@Mosho yes, open it and look at the example
 
user1596138
@DavidKamer Also want to point out ChromeOS adoption flatlining since 2016
 
@DavidKamer no, I did a computer science course as part of my BSc. in operating systems and read the published material.
 
@BenjaminGruenbaum right
 
user1596138
7:29 PM
The only reason it's run is the cost of the machines that use it. 0.3% of global usage at it's peak
 
If Ram is cheap, and use of hardware doesn't matter, than why does it matter if Linux handles I/O inferior if it uses less resources to do it?
 
well at least you use something, not just close to the metal pure mongodb!
 
@Jhawins yeah I think that's really due to how Google has handled it
 
@DavidKamer it matters for companies, but we were talking about desktop users
 
user1596138
There are literally twice as many users still on WinXP vs ChromeOS lmao
 
user2620028
7:30 PM
@DavidKamer it doesn't matter how well it handles resources if no one is willing to use it in the first place
 
my wife has a chromebook and is probably going to go back to a Windows based one
 
user1596138
It does beat Vista tho!
 
@DavidKamer it isn't, the fact linux performance isn't better isn't reason not to run linux since it's not the only deciding factor.
 
she has issues connecting to almost every dang printer too
like real world uses at her office
 
Linux is free, windows servers cost money, for a company running a 100 servers that counts.
 
7:30 PM
@Noface well unfortunately the wrapper was wrapped in Meteor.js so it was still gnarly :P
 
@BenjaminGruenbaum That was my only point
 
@Benjamin in loop while using var keyword the output is 6 everytime can u help me
 
@Loktar format it to ubuntu?
 
@BenjaminGruenbaum not worth it at this point it's from 2013 or so
 
haha i see
 
7:31 PM
@Nevin please read the answer I linked you to - it explains what you're seeing and why it happens
 
hardware is a bit old
 
It's a populace decision driven by default PC configuration. Like Norton
 
@DavidKamer no - it wasn't - you claimed that Win 10 is an "inferior OS", it's just a different OS
 
The only person in my life I know who uses Norton is my wife's 72 year old Grandfather
 
@Nevin Init the variable outside the loop
 
7:32 PM
@hilli_micha I use norton commander
 
@Nevin The link he gave actually goes over why that is the case when you use "var", how to fix it and why "let" behaves differently. I think that will help if you go through the question and the first 2 answers (var and let)
 
@hilli_micha Who uses windows :D
 
I use IE7 for security reasons
2
 
ya sure thanks @Benj
 
7:32 PM
Sure
 
user2620028
@jhawins i was still on the vs system requirements page and saw this XD Hard disk space: up to 130 GB of available space, depending on features installed
 
user1596138
@Loktar That sucks. I always thought of getting one just because of inifinite battery life and form factor... But tbh I am very excited about these always-on Qualcomm laptops
 
@BenjaminGruenbaum I didn't know Norton made a file manager, it was a weird landscape till Win 3.1 came out, huh? :P
 
I remember commander
it was nice
 
@BenjaminGruenbaum It's inferior by standards of computer science, not neccesarily by user choice. I do agree that a lot of people use windows making it have more proprietary software, but js devs should be the first to understand that proprietary isn't always a good thing... I love making two versions of ajax calls because of windows... not..
 
7:34 PM
Earliest I was familiar with was the Win 3.1 File Manager.
 
@DavidKamer you seem to be stuck in 2005
 
Windows or Edge?
 
I meant that Windows is inferior in how it handles memory and system events
@Mosho How so?
 
two versions of ajax calls
also, has nothing to do with windows
 
"Just import a library"
 
7:35 PM
fetch is the new hotness for XHR
 
no library, new standard
 
It does when windows IE doesn't support fetch
 
windows IE?
 
IE11?
 
7:35 PM
Isn't IE no longer supported
 
IE11 is
 
^
 
windows 10 comes with edge
 
@DavidKamer To be honest, your info is pretty outdated dude, there are a lot of things to grind against Windows for, but that doesn't mean I hate it. You should update your info dude.
 
yeah and it's supported in edge and the default
you have to search to find IE11
like literally have to search internet explorer heh
 
7:36 PM
IE has to be used in business enviroments as of last year due to a lake of support by many gov websites for Edge's features
 
is fetch() even part of the spec, yet?
 
not sure but I love it
 
I just noticed this
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A: Recourse for inappropriate Stack Overflow chat conversation

Tim PostI just posted about this on MSE in the context of those kinds of problems that seldom rear up, but when they do, they sure tend to make up for their absence. Machavity points out something in this answer that hits home for me: I marked these as invalid because I don't think the users need a ...

Didn't realize he replied there too
 
@DavidKamer false: ex govcon here, they can use chrome and firefox now
 
@DavidKamer even if true, that's not what we're talking about, is it
 
7:37 PM
yeah, but I had issues with user's computers last year with edge
 
you want to compare old windows/IE, compare them to linux distros from 10 years ago for everyday desktop use
 
nope
Honestly, my opinion is almost soley based on how Windows handles system events
 
Which is how?
inb4 "poorly" :)
 
By stacking everything up on one single point of failure
 
I don't know.. windows seems resilient to one process failing..
to the same degree as linux
 
7:40 PM
not quite. I've never heard of a BSOD on Linux caused by a other than system process failure
I've experienced many on Windows, especially gaming
 
bsod is pretty rare on windows. usually a hardware issue.
 
^
 
All my BSOD are drivers
 
Or a driver issue
 
or ram
 
7:40 PM
But this isn't the 90s though.. Yeah, that's a legitimate complaint back then, but now? Something has to be really wrong to get a BSOD error
 
which is ten time worse when you can't review the code in the driver
 
I wouldn't if I could =p
 
in my recent experience it was linux that kept hard crashing due to nvidia drivers, not windows :)
 
is there a way to get all the flexbox items in a wrapped row to be the same height?
 
@hilli_micha stop mentioning the past. I'm only 24. I don't get half of your references, so you are entirely wrong that I'm stuck in the past.
 
7:41 PM
Your arguments sound like the ones people used in those times. Ones that are no longer true.
 
@DavidKamer But you're the one who is constantly bringing up complains and memes from that era.
 
@Luggage I guess it's all based on your setup. What OS were you using?
 
@SuperUberDuper fiddle
 
Windows 10 Pro, Mac OSX and RHEL desktops, ubuntu 14.04 and 16.04 servers
 
As I explicitly stated in the latter part of my previous comment, BSODs aren't common enough for it to be a frequent complain, and when they do occur, it's typically something external like a driver/hardware issue.
 
7:43 PM
@Luggage If you guys would have listened, I wouldn't have grown up with the worst OS in history setting my PC on fire in the 3rd grade lol.
 
ohh and every windows from 2008 to 2016 as servers (do not like 2008 :( )
 
I never said I liked or disliked Mac OSX. Aren't they discontinuing their servers?
 
software started from 0. It had to go though a shitty phase, as it still is.
 
@Luggage I was just kidding. I really don't actually blame anyone.
 
user2620028
i like letting light through my windows
 
7:44 PM
whew, let off the hook :)
 
So you provoked this discussion just to say "Haha, I was pretending the whole time"
?
 
As a web developer, Ubuntu servers and Desktop go well for development.
 
ohh his windows hatred is genuine.. :)
 
@DavidKamer that's somewhat true
 
@hilli_micha Yeah, I lost personal data on windows more than once. Not through my own error.
 
7:45 PM
if only because a lot of libraries were written on linux
 
i'd prefer osx for web development, but linux can work nicely.
 
though I don't really feel it anymore
except python
 
I very much enjoy OSX for development
 
At least when you screw up with Linux it's your own fault. Not the magic genies in the background failing you and then updating for the 50 zillionth time because of their failure.
 
Or maybe your HDD failed?
 
7:46 PM
no
I mean stolen
 
@ssube :(
 
Like, malware, yes?
 
using javascript/Node... So yeah, malware
 
And... it's Windows fault that someone crafted this malware and you executed it?
 
installed the wrong npm package?
 
user1596138
7:47 PM
@BenjaminGruenbaum hey that's about me!
 
running a dev server on windows was my mistake..
 
@Jhawins You're a celebrity
 
No, not Microsofts fault
 
@DavidKamer didn't you preface the whole discussion on why isn't windows dead yet?
 
Mine for not using a more secure system
 
7:48 PM
if it died, it certainly wouldn't be because web devs didn't use it
 
Not true.
you mean game devs?
 
no, web devs
who have no impact on the windows market
 
I tried to write a shell script that nests $(…) inside a find … -exec. I gave up after 5 minutes and wrote a Python script instead
 
sorry misread the double negative..
 
user1596138
I don't even underatand what he's asking
 
user1596138
7:49 PM
Just sort of venting to meta
 
Should've known better and not even tried, probably
 
@DavidKamer did you hear about the new MS Linux distro, Azure Sphere?
 
@copy Had the same experience
 
@Luggage No, but if it's microkernal architecture then it's probably worth looking at
 
Wanted to move all files in a directory to a new subdirectory with their name, and change the filename itself to index, i.e. foo.xml => foo/index.xml
 
7:50 PM
no idea. it's for small devices: extremetech.com/computing/…
 
I'm sure there's a bash incantation to do that and I'm just not hip enough
But I ended up burning 15 minutes on it before writing a node script in 2 lines
 
like most MS products, I don't quite know what it does..
 
@Jhawins lol, have fun
 
@MadaraUchiha copy the name of the file as a variable and then mkdir with the name
 
user1596138
Lol I left my only worthwhile reply possible and am done with that
 
7:52 PM
then move
 
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Otherwise they'll egg me into saying something that I get in actual troubles for
 
@DavidKamer Or.. ya know, use an actual language with actual concepts in it.
 
@Luggage You'll find out how it works after a security researcher releases the information on how your data was stolen last week ;)
 
@copy are you free tonight to group up?
 
I'm here to get shit done, not look cool doing it :D
 
7:53 PM
@MadaraUchiha you thought you looked cool?
 
@SterlingArcher I always look cool.
And hot, at the same time.
 
@SterlingArcher Probably, yeah
 
It's a curse, really.
 
@MadaraUchiha mv $file $folder
 
7:53 PM
@MadaraUchiha well you do live in the desert
 
Bash vs powershell? who wins?
 
My old coworker hated powershell
 
@DavidKamer I think it's a lose-lose kind of situation.
Like a nuclear war.
 
@MadaraUchiha That was meme worthy
python was the correct answer though
 
@MadaraUchiha pretty sure a nuclear war would solve global warming
 
7:57 PM
or, if you like biological warfare, php
 
checkmate
 
@SterlingArcher do you not?
 
@SterlingArcher *climate change
 
@towc I've never used it, I've only professionally developed on linux and osx
I think I used PuTTy on windows to connect to a linux shell but that's it
 
not related.
 
7:59 PM
yeah
 
powershell is a shell, like bash is.
 
@SterlingArcher I've used it and it's interesting. Not saying I liked it. I learned it before I found out that bash on linux can do everything it can but more concisely but somewhat less readable.
 
I never got deep into powershell at all, but it just looks painful
 
I like it's power. A shell scripting language with the .NET framework at hand.. but.. It's also a little gross and ugly looking.
 
it might just be because it's different
 

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