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8:00 PM
Get-ChildObject is long-winded.
 
it feels like C# and PHP had a baby and it was a retarded but powerful shell
 
@Luggage you're right. Get-WMIOjbect is not better than it's dos conterpart by any means
 
I understand the motivation to make all consistent names, but it's still ugly.
 
wow this is... not bad
pretty impressed actually so far
 
8:02 PM
@Luggage A lot of Microsoft developed tools feel this way to me, but it might be my bias infecting my objectivity...
Clunky is the word I think of with stuff like Server 2016, PowerShell, but surprisingly not as much so with Windows 10.
 
I appreciate the attempt at a bash alternative, I really do. I think that CLI UX has advanced very very little in the past 40 years or so
 
powershell has continued to get improvements. Also it's on linux/osx, now.
 
But it's not an easy thing to do, and Microsoft definitely hasn't the PR to undertake something as fundamental as that.
@Luggage I doubt it's installed in 0.1% of the machines right now
But it's a good direction nonetheless.
Link?
 
of course, but it makes it more viable option for new projects
 
What do you think the market share of Windows is if you consider all computer including phones and servers?
 
8:07 PM
does a phone count as much as a server serving 100's of people?
I have no idea.
I don't think we can mix those markets and get a meaningful number.
 
anyone know why this isnt adding an event listener to all elements with this class?
	document.querySelectorAll('menu-button-outer').forEach(function (element, i)
	{
		element.addEventListener('click', function() {
			console.log(i);
		});
	});
 
is menu-button-outer supposed to be a css class?
 
I mean.. you aren't using it as one in that code.
 
wait i have an idea
 
8:09 PM
Your code is looking for <menu-button-outer className="anything">
 
i just added '.' to the start of the class name and it worked, u reminded me
 
Huzzah
@DavidKamer tiny
Especially after Windows Phone's discontinuation.
 
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@MadaraUchiha i just finally switched :(
 
@HatterisMad Bad move all around :D
 
you just switched TO windows phone?
 
8:13 PM
@BenjaminGruenbaum whomever*
It bothered me :D
 
@Luggage I miss Windows Phone for various reasons. Who switched?
ahh hatter switched to iphone from windows phone
 
@Luggage Honestly, if you look at the big picture, computers have only been around for a short spurt in computer history. Right now, when computers are babies, for there to be an overwhelming consensus that an operating system works better in a variety of situations is a fairly important fact. I think that it also shows something to say that we rely on one architecture to call 911 and sit next to us 24/7.
Many people rarely use computers and constantly use their phones, so as far as client side importance, I think a phone is almost more important. Just like I practice mobile first development.
 
@DavidKamer I'm pretty sure windows phones failing was due to marketing, not the phone inability to dial 911
unless there was a big story I missed.
 
it was late to the market and cost more for the OEMs
 
Also, we don't rely on one architecture. android and linux are not related.
 
8:18 PM
@Luggage we use phones to server 100s of people at work sometimes
:D
 
I've never called 911 in my life, is that unusual?
 
@Luggage Would you prefer windows or linux for something mission critical applications? Not loaded, I'm seriously asking because you seem knowledgeable
 
@KendallFrey me neither.
 
i have for various fires
 
@DavidKamer it really depends on the app, I've deployed both successfully and was happy with the results usually.
 
8:19 PM
@KendallFrey I called 911 once because there was a head-on collision right in front of me in HS
 
@KendallFrey not even on accident?
 
I got an app developed for Android and it broke in Oreo. This wouldn't happen if Microsoft was in charge
 
Linux would be my "go to" because the server operating system is free, but it's a money question not a technology one.
 
@SterlingArcher in HS?
@DavidKamer no
 
@DavidKamer I prefer linux for servers and mission critical usually means server, but it's not because I am afraid of windows crashing
 
8:20 PM
@KendallFrey timeline
 
I'm not actually a fan of windows, fyi, but I don't hate it.
 
@Luggage I don't hate it either. I just think it's one of the few examples of how lots of money thrown at something can make something worse and not better.
 
meh, i think it gets better every release.
they need to drop some of the old compatibility layers, but I think they are starting to do that.
 
Microsoft is (or was in recent history) very anti competitive and it still haunts advancement in my humble opinion. Just an opinion though.
 
They've changed a lot in recent years
 
8:23 PM
they are still a big company with all the faults of that, but they are at least being more subtle these days
 
@Luggage That's half the reason Windows is always patching. Jenga blocks for someone's pascal program from the 90s.
 
They added ads and lots of other crap to the OS
 
well.. most of the bpatches I see are for recent exploits.. the same ones linux is getting patches for
 
@Luggage that's probably because they can smell the mobile market share
@Luggage Do you really think Android isn't Linux at all?
 
I never said that. I know android runs on linux.
 
8:24 PM
I'd consider IOS and Android Unix at a base/conceptual level and Anroid Linux by a technicality
 
6 mins ago, by Luggage
Also, we don't rely on one architecture. android and linux are not related.
 
ohh, i meant to say android and ios are not related.
 
gotcha
I'd agree there
Linux was based off of a MINIX clone and so was OSX if I'm not mistaken.
 
OSX is a BSD.. not sure if it has any shared history beyond some user tools
 
I think work is sending me to either toronto or illinois as the co-lead on a comissioning project
 
8:27 PM
architecture. Unix architecture - microkernel
 
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How we design product
 
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@KendallFrey I accidentally did once at Purdue and they bust my dorm room door off the hinges
 
MINIX is the father of modern OS's besides windows I think
 
user1596138
I just wanted a pizza and couldn't figure out the "dial out" extension
 
8:28 PM
@SterlingArcher come to Toronto I'll buy you a poutine
 
@DavidKamer what microkernel? Linux doesn't have a microkernel
 
OSX, i think.
 
a whole poutine?!
 
s/a poutine//
 
@DavidKamer the whole point of those famous discussions was linux not having a microkernel
The Tanenbaum–Torvalds debate was a debate between Andrew S. Tanenbaum and Linus Torvalds, regarding the Linux kernel and kernel architecture in general. Tanenbaum began the debate in 1992 on the Usenet discussion group comp.os.minix, arguing that microkernels are superior to monolithic kernels and therefore Linux was, even in 1992, obsolete. Linux kernel developers Peter MacDonald, David S. Miller and Theodore Ts'o also joined the debate. The debate has sometimes been considered a flame war. == The debate == While the debate initially started out as relatively moderate, with both parties involved...
There's a wikipedia article disproving your point lol.
 
8:31 PM
my bad
 
For angular projects to integrate into CI/CD for stage & production, do we use GitLab, as the current trend?
 
that's what I was reffering to.
 
Overexchange It's a current trend, but not the only valid answer. Any* CI system that works for you.
 
GNU HURD
 
Do you use gitlab already?
 
8:38 PM
@DavidKamer GNU HURD is micro kernel. SCO Unix is monolithic. Linux is hybrid(because some subsystems like process mgr gets loaded with in-kernel)
 
@overexchange Thanks. I actually read that Linux was microkernel from Tanenbaum's text book if I'm not remembering incorrectly. Hybrid makes sense. It has to do with how services are implemented.
 
Aww I got assigned to the illinois project not the ontario project
@Mosho
 
phew that was close
 
To understand monolothic, it is like your app having main() is statically linked to 1.so, 2.so
 
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Our designer wanted me to use a custom onbeforeunload message, which I told him is not possible
 
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8:41 PM
So he sent me a SO question showing it done and said doesn't this 4-5 lines do it?
 
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Pleb, that post is from 2009 and there is a reason I am the UI guy and you're the draw pictures guy
 
In microkernel architecture, your app main() code uses dlopen(), dlsym() & dlclose() on demand
 
lol, "draw pictures guy"
 
!!afk avengers
 
@overexchange I would agree then that microservice appears to be superior in that aspect
It gives the developer (thus the user) more control over how the program's life cycle is handled.
 
8:44 PM
respectfully, wat?!
 
These kernel architectures are mainly surrounding, how you link the libraries(.so). static linking/loadtime linking / runtime linkg
 
How hard do you think it is to get a remote job as a javascript developer who can do nodejs, mysql, nosql (mongo) and ReactJs?
 
That exact combo?
 
@DavidKamer It depends.. because loading mean mapping the .so code into your application(kernel), which takes time. If all subsystems are loaded in runtime, then find a use scenario where response time is compromised
 
I can do PHP too lol. So far I've been working for myself and doing ok.
 
user1596138
8:46 PM
I am becoming remote next week. Not sure tho about actually starting a new remote job
 
Your odds are either excellent or horrible based on a few small details like, where you live and and how good you are.
 
I love remote work
 
@overexchange That's a good point. I'm a little out of my depth at the level of understanding, but I have a grasp on what you're saying. It seems that it would be more secure though.
 
But to be fair, I've only worked remote, so I have no point of reference
 
well, or where the company is and your country at least.
 
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8:47 PM
@Luggage Except he said remote so Idk about where he lives mattering
 
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Oh right, there's a few other countries outside the USA
 
yea, I clarified the 'where'.
 
USA and I'm stellar.
lol, not "jenius" code though lol
 
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@DavidKamer I like SO careers I have done a lot of interviews etc through there, haven't ever taken an offer tho. Lots of remote jobs posted
 
@DavidKamer To understand microkernel architecture, go through my user space code for image processing. If you understand this code, then you understand how kernel works with all subsystems
 
8:49 PM
I'm working on a freelancer website now that I plan to realease next week or late this week and I've done it all on my own. Job posing, bids, messaging. All in well managed functional es6
 
There seem to be plenty of jobs listed, but competition also seems high. No idea. I am also looking, but I want to get a job real close, not remote.
 
Only difficulty you would have is understanding this code.
int _init(){
	printf(" registering gifhandler \n");
	reg_handler(&gifhandler);
	return 0;
}
 
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I almost always got a response, usually an interview
 
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I have even flown out to interviews on there too and fielded offers.
 
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It's the one reason I want them to not delete my account when they get mad at me
 
8:50 PM
@Jhawins What's your education/experience though?
 
@Luggage am yet to use GitLab
 
user1596138
6 years no education past HS
 
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I am 23
 
23 never had a job unless its been under the table
 
I've got an associate degree in software development, one in informatics, a cert from the same school in web dev and 1 year experience as a help desk manager and a half of a year working for myself as a web dev. How do you think that stacks up?
 
8:52 PM
Anyone got any tips on keeping my will to live at a government service center
 
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I've never been questioned at all about lack of a degree, tbh
 
user1596138
I think it's how you present yourself, personality, etc. Its hard to get an actual sense of someone's coding skills in an interview process
 
Jhawins if you don't have your degree listed it isn't relevant
that's why they don't ask
 
user1596138
You just sort of try to see that they're generally smart and genuine, and don't fall on their face as soon as code comes up. And you hope that they are selling you their skills truthfully
 
8:53 PM
@DavidKamer If you don't mind me prying, define 'working for myself'.
 
@DavidKamer If you have any doubt on Linux kernel architecture, then you need to first write some prototype applications that get linked to libraries in static/load/run time. This is how you get the depth. It took 5-6 years for me to understand these things..
 
@BenjaminGruenbaum what
 
user1596138
@William It's more the fact that in UI positions nobody gives a shit if you're higher educated, there's no reason you'd be better than someone who's good at UI but isn't educated
 
@DavidKamer How's your JS?
0-10, roughly
 
user1596138
IMHO it is more like a trade. There's no low level computer engineering shit to know lol
 
8:54 PM
@overexchange I starred it on github. Do you mind if I message you with questions on Github?
 
anytime
 
@Luggage I'm working on two websites that I plan to go live very soon, and I've done a few billboard websites for local businesses.
 
@Jhawins there rarely ever is
 
2 mins ago, by Madara Uchiha
@DavidKamer How's your JS?
 
8:56 PM
@MadaraUchiha towards 9. If I'm a harsh critic, 7-8.
 
@MadaraUchiha inb4 10 awww
 
@BenjaminGruenbaum almost.
 
@BenjaminGruenbaum Close, close.
 
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@William wat
 
exactly what I was wondering
 
8:57 PM
@DavidKamer Care to put it to the test? I'll give you the questions we ask interviewees over the phone
 
@DavidKamer 9 means you know better JavaScript than me :D
 
(item)=>("should this be formatted since it's only one line");
ok
 
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His next message will somehow blow up rlemon's computer with that kind of knowledge
 
No helping from others (please), and no cheating by running stuff :P
 
I logged in with perfect timing today.
 
8:58 PM
I'm probably wrong then. I know how to use tools. I'm not a javascript interpreter if that's what 0-10 means
 
@MadaraUchiha inb4 everyone running stuff with consoles open
 
var o = {
  f: function() {
    console.log(this);
  }
}

o.f(); // What's printed?
 
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@BenjaminGruenbaum Would you not allow that in your interview? I sure would. I want to see problem solving not someone who knows games
 
@DavidKamer Question #1: What's the output of the script?
 
o doesn't have a namespace
 
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8:59 PM
@MadaraUchiha The output?
 
@Jhawins Yes.
 
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None.
 
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undefined
 
@Jhawins Wrong./
 
user1596138
lmao
 
user1596138
8:59 PM
You said the output and I don't see none returns
 
@Jhawins let @DavidKamer answer
 
@Jhawins return != output
 
it outprints "this is bad practice don't do this"
?
 
this obviously
 
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So your question was unfairly ambiguous
 
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8:59 PM
@BenjaminGruenbaum I'm making a point.
 

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