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9:00 PM
The code so far, the "bootstrapping" is pretty terrible but that's not relevant now is it?
 
I played with ionic but I'm afraid of ninjas
 
if they keep with their current pricing model I imagine win 10 will be around $100-150
 
!!afk home time
 
@Zirak New bot?
 
It will be nice when phones no longer need to run reduced instruction sets
 
9:00 PM
@Loktar I lie, I got my windows OEM so it was like $139 or something
 
@Loktar I'm just waiting for MSDN to get cheaper...
 
> . Let us also not forget that Microsoft announced this past spring that mainstream support for Windows 7 will come to an end in January 2015.
 
but I still don't wanna have to pay for new windows just to get directX 12
 
woah wth
 
@SomeKittens Improved guts, yes.
 
9:00 PM
that is so lame
 
Eventually a full fledged windows will run on a handheld
 
I didnt realize that yeesh
 
@Loktar dafuq?
 
@SomeKittens If you're interested, here's the story thus far
 
@TravisJ It already does
 
@TravisJ it already does, there're quite a few x86 phones/tabs
 
@Zirak woooo
 
Most recently...
 
@CSᵠ surface pro ftw
 
9:01 PM
Tablets are different. I have a surface with win8 pro on it
 
:P
 
I love it too
 
XP support: 13 years
Windows 7 support: 5 years?
 
But which phone can run win8 pro?
 
have the massive gaming pc, then the surface
 
9:02 PM
makes sense
 
Some help with Ionic anyone :P?
 
don't even have a home laptop anymore
 
@MattTheNinja damn wish I could
the creator did a talk here in Omaha like a month ago
too bad I missed it :(
but it looks pretty interesting
 
its awesome
 
whats the issue you're having anyway?
 
9:02 PM
@ssube does a work laptop I use at home count?
 
+ phonegap makes mobile apps a breez
 
my work laptop is beefier than my home linux pc so I use it at home now :P
 
we may not know the framework but might still be able to help
 
One issue is driving me insane though
too clever for its own good!
 
@rlemon I wasn't counting it. If it does, then I have the gaming fulltower in the living room on the tv, the work w530, the surface pro, and my phone.
 
9:03 PM
Quite specific to the framework
 
ah damn
 
@ssube I have too much hardware for my own good
 
Surface pro + dock + real (mech) kbd + dp monitor = <3
 
Cheers peeps
 
Can even sort of run creative cloud, although rendering isn't great
 
9:04 PM
gaming tower, linux tower, windows tower at work, linux tower at work, linux laptop at work, windows 8 tablet, android tablet, and N4 and N5 phones. and a shitload of embedded crap like arduino and rPI's and BBB's
 
But can grab it, throw on the type cover, pull the card from the gopro and edit stuff right there
which is sweet
 
I wanna gopro. but I don't do anything interesting. I would just use it to record my fish
maybe tie it to one of my cats
 
I have it and the car mount
 
I already have a dashcam
 
currently taking bets on whether I'll still have a car by spring
 
9:05 PM
@ssube - I have my surface connected to my tv with a wireless touchpad :)
 
Hoping to get a dji phantom next check and put the gopro on that.
 
I have this on my TV
reviews are terrible, but it works alright
 
@CSᵠ - I couldn't find any phones running win8 pro. Are you sure they are out there or did you mean a custom one?
 
remote was cool for the first week until it broke
 
Borrow a couple from buddies, and my friend with a dslr set up, and go out on a lake.
Drone overhead, two gopros on the car, and the real camera off to the side
 
9:07 PM
@TravisJ i saw something, maybe search alibaba for some crap
 
@ssube - I haven't seen a drone with a lifetime of longer than like 20 minutes
 
I also wanna drone, but having tried the AR Parrot 2 drone I wasn't impressed. Looks like you're spending $1000 at least to have a decent experience
 
@TravisJ I don't think they exist, you just get multiple batteries and do multiple takes.
It'll be kind of a pain in the snow, but we can't buy a cherrypicker, or really use one for shoots in the city.
Drone is the only good way to get high angles
 
Hey now they exist
 
9:08 PM
it's not that great
 
just ask the US Gov to borrow one :P
@rlemon thats the one you got for the boss right?
 
yup
he likes it, I think it is a POS :P
 
ah lame
 
hard to control. 10 minutes battery, very limited range.
 
damn man, thats not cheap either
 
9:09 PM
you have to mod it to make it good - and you can buy mods for it online
but yea, out of the box it is 'meh'
 
@Loktar Can you hover those 20-30ft up in the city, or do they just fly real fast?
I'm all for getting a predator, but if it can't hold a camera in place, I have no practical use for it
Cause getting drones is the most practical thing to do...
 
Has anyone ever encountered a exception from Jquery when using angular where Sizzle.attr throws 'Uncaught TypeError: undefined is not a function" because it is trying to get an attribute from the end ng-repeat comment?
 
ohh man, there is a music video recently that uses a drone (custom made ofc)
it is amazing
 
@ssube good point I think they just circle around
 
@ssube - continuous shot with a drone to make this video
 
9:10 PM
@rlemon that the one that ends with the umbrella pattern?
cause that thing is awesome
 
yup
 
it's why I want a drone for shooting
$400 drone, ?$ gimblemountthingy, $300 gopro and you can do some crazy stuff
 
the $300 drone I got was crap, I only see good video / reviews from the $1000 ones
 
this has decent reviews. I thought about it
 
9:12 PM
You own a drone?
 
wait what? amazon onebox?!?
 
peeks out window
 
4 stars over 450 reviews
I'm totally happy getting last-gen (especially if that was last year) for $200 less
 
@CSᵠ It does that since... well .. always?
:)
 
@KendallFrey I bought one for my boss last year
I linked it up top a bit further
 
9:14 PM
@PeeHaa wow, 1st time i notice it
 
the Parrot AR2 or w/e
it is neat, but I wouldn't call it practical for anything. 10 minute battery life, hard to control, hates wind, etc.
 
so... ppl buy these:
 
no gps control which sucks ass
 
@CSᵠ - All the windows phones that are currently for sale seem to operate on the Qualcomm Snapdragon. This is a ARMv7 based chipset and is a reduced instruction set.
 
9:15 PM
@CSᵠ wouldn't any class 10 card work?
 
@rlemon of course, but that one is "for drones"
sigh!
drone-compatible
 
@rlemon it's probably lighter
 
I have 100 8gb class 10 :P I wonder how much I could sell those for if I slapped 'for drone' on them
 
@rlemon thats the drone I want
 
@ssube ... it's a micro SD card.
 
9:16 PM
the phantom, but that price..
 
I don't think weight is the issue
 
esp if you crash it ugh.
 
@rlemon yeah, but it's for drones, so it has to be light
 
@rlemon do it !! ppl are idiots
 
m59
oh mercy, OK GO again. Preparing my mind for blowing.
 
9:17 PM
nvm, they are only 4gb
poop
my master plan! It's a wash!
 
@m59 it's a stunning video
 
Who needed the drone and what for?
I mean you could always get a kite with a camera
 
hmm
 
just tow that bad boy around
 
9:19 PM
lol
 
would you trust a kite with a camera?
 
@Loktar Don't know how well that would work at some of the locations.
 
well digital cams are so cheep
and so are kites so why not? lol
 
well I want one because my family owns some land and we have no aerial shots of it.
 
@Loktar me to spy on you while you're in your bathroom :o
 
9:19 PM
A lot of the filming I help with is music videos and such, within the city
 
I thought it would come in handy for crap like that
 
A kite with a camera? Psh... That sounds awesome
 
having a drone to hover 2 stories up, or do an in-window shot, would be great
kites in the city...
 
i remember winds changing and kite accelerating to a crash to the ground
ohh the days...
 
haha same here
I feel kites are underutilized
 
9:20 PM
Drone to urban explore can also be good
 
It would be fun to attach a kite with a camera to a backpack and the ski while it films
 
I only had one kite as a kid, and while I was flying it my brother ran over and cut the string on me to be a jerk.
I cried.
 
when you can't go easily into some building, just send a drone
 
my mom yelled at him.
 
lol
 
9:21 PM
hmm... there are laws against drones... but... kites? interesting...
 
@dievardump It's the reverse here. We can't easily float in the air outside.
 
It's the squirrel-drone that I want. I want a squirrel's eye-view when do that doing-oin-oiing jump from tree to tree.
 
So it's either drop $400-800 on a drone, or learn to levitate.
 
@ssube We can't neither here. It's pretty restricted.
 
The latter is obviously superior, but eluding us.
 
9:21 PM
kites go back to "that guy who supposedly figured out electricity" :)
 
@ErikReppen you were on reddit today ?
 
@rlemon. I rarely am. Why?
 
read what I just linked
that was trending today
 
hahah #1 is great
 
did you recognize the chain of names continues?
btw do you sort best or top?
 
9:23 PM
best
 
#2 is pretty good
 
forgot there was sorting honestly so my #1 isn't yours necessarily
 
@BenjaminGruenbaum in case you were wondering, the issue was a library not handling undefined properly
 
was the one about collecting all the money
 
@SomeKittens BenjaminGruenbaum is afk: home time
 
9:24 PM
@Loktar sort by top ;)
#1 and #2
 
lol wth
 
omg the top comment
 
Best thing I ever saw in my old neighborhood was a squirrel walking a half a bagel to a tree with its forepaws through the hole.
There should be a squirrel super-hero.
 
> "ABOUT TREE FITTY"
hahah
 
m59
@rlemon THE ENDING WTF!!!!!!!!!!!!
 
9:27 PM
@m59 drones man. drones.
I love the thought out stories in that thread
some of them.. just wow.
 
m59
I mean the people! Asians man, Asians.
That was amazing choreography.
 
well, they have a lot of people over there looking for money
 
Has anyone had node-gyp issues on Windows 7? I'm really not liking all the proposed solutions for my problem like deleting hours upon hours of visual studio and .net framework related installs and then reinstalling in the right order only.
 
I'm sure it wouldn't be hard to get the people. the blocking and pulling it all off is impressive
 
m59
It's hard to get 5 people to act decent for a photo.
 
9:28 PM
turning it into a continuous shot.. wow.
 
@Loktar as a French, I do not understand this joke :(
 
m59
yeah
 
And what is it in Visual Studio people can't get without it that's causing it to be a dependency for so much stuff? That seems kind of crazy to me. Especially for an NPM package.
 
@dievardump it's a reference
 
Yeah I know, but to what?
 
9:30 PM
South Park
 
@rlemon I'm assuming a lot of the choreography, especially from higher up, was done in post. Getting that many people in sync is possible, but hard.
Where as throwing a couple red dots in from after effects is cheap and easy
 
if you read about the production of it, they claim to have not added in anything
they're known for over the top music videos
 
@rlemon omfg
 
m59
9:32 PM
I don't think they would do that. They're really committed to making it real.
 
that story was amazing
 
inorite!
 
hahah "The Furry"
 
so much talent in these threads
 
9:34 PM
> This sequence -- the video was done in one continuous shoot taking approximately 50 to 60 tries to get it right -- opens with abandoned warehouse in the city of Chiba, about 45 minutes outside of Tokyo.
they also recorded everything at half speed
so it was easier to coordinate
 
that makes sense
pretty impressive, regardless
it reminds me of some band that did a video where they keep changing the angle and it's a different scene
 
same band :P
hehehe
 
So the Furry one is a MGS reference, apparently.
 
was it really?
 
yup
 
9:36 PM
the camera rotates? and it keeps changing sets
 
that is what I meant. they are known for this type of video :P
 
hm
gonna have to watch a lot of their stuff, then
 
I think this is the one you're referencing
wait
wrong link
shoot
 
I think that's the one.
 
yup
 
9:37 PM
OK Go does great music videos... but their music is just okay.
Tends to be a little repetitive.
 
they remind me of MGMT for some reason
 
Speaking of fun music videos:
Particularly starting around the third minute
 
always had a special place in my heart.
<3 that music video
 
why is network flair dead now
 
(room goes silent as everyone is watching music videos)
 
9:43 PM
@Retsam Yeah, that's it.
 
can yoiu check if your network flair shows up?
SO flair is ok, combined SE dead?
 
@rlemon hey, I ran across your question. Did you end up implementing a communication library?
 
I enjoy this guy's stuff. I especially like that as assertive as he is in his blog posts, he has absolutely no problems with changing his mind and fessing up to changing his mind a year later.

http://codeofrob.com/entries/you-have-ruined-javascript.html
 
@NETscape I just used the serial port library from .net and libmodbus dll
 
@ErikReppen Skimming... is that a rant about JS or about Angular?
 
9:50 PM
okay. I was thinking, lets say I have 6 devices connected, how to keep the UI responsive if they are all trying to communicate at once
 
I would say the lot of the modern JS dev in general. I do get the feeling we're starting to repeat a lot of the mistakes of the poor bastards that came before us with the excess abstraction that doesn't necessarily solve any obvious problem.
 
@Retsam wth is that O_o
 
A lot of the JS app frameworks are reaching a little too far IMO.
 
@ErikReppen s/the poor bastards that came before us/Java EE/
 
@NETscape manage the threads :/
 
9:53 PM
In our code, it's basically standard to re-declare the same variable tens or even hundreds of times in the same function.
 
@ErikReppen It's part of the growing up process.
 
Enjoy sleeping tonight.
 
I (probably incorrectly) just created a threadpool for all of the communications
 
@ssube .NET's had it's share of ugly too but I'd say it's ended up in a better place than Java.
 
@NETscape however I have been re-writing a lot of the stuff in node. node-serialport and libmodbus bindings in node - golden.
 
9:55 PM
@ErikReppen Coming along years later will do that for you.
 
which reminds me, I need to file an issue against node-webkit :/
 
does lilmodbus have the comms built in it?
 
or node-serialport
libmodbus is for the modbus protocol
 
I'm ready to take a flamethrower to Node-gyp. First source of frustration I've had with Node.
 
okay, I'm just seeing calls like connect in there
 
9:55 PM
node-serialport / or the .net serialport class does the comms
 
/* Sets up a serial port for RTU communications */
static int _modbus_rtu_connect(modbus_t *ctx)
 
What business does any NPM package have making Visual !@#$ing Studio a dependency?
 
@dievardump Awesome, right?
 
yes, because libmodbus RTU specifically communicates via serialport rs232 or 485
 
But not just any dependency, a dependency that apparently only works right if you install it in the right order with other dependencies?
 
9:56 PM
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@NETscape modbus has a few communication methods. ascii, TCP/IP and RTU
 
right, I figured it was just going to be an API just for "packetizing" data
 
 
@NETscape if you wanna know how to do this in node I'm more than willing to help. I've abandoned the c# winforms project
 
@CSᵠ iirc it does that during it's updating period
no clue what that means, but I remember reading on meta about it not too long ago
 
10:00 PM
code smell
 
i'm doing it in C# WPF, which I unfortunately can't move away from... just thought I'd ask some questions where I know you were :D
 
well you can try. I might not be that helpful, I wrote that application over a year ago now
(actually, you can try later. I'm going home now:P)
 
thanks for your time, have a good night. i'll come back if anything else comes up
@CSᵠ is that a cue to "gtfo" or something?
 
no his SO flair is broken
 
and everybody else's
 
10:03 PM
only combined ones
SO ones are fine
 
@NETscape how on earth did you think about that?
 
SO ones work fine still.
 
i have 6k combined only
 
!!afk home time, I'll be back.
 
!!should I watch EoT or Joe or Enigma or 7?
 
10:06 PM
@Zirak You should watch EoT
 
Will do, boss
 
good call. looks like its only pulling from my first 2 sites
 
@Zirak which 7?
 
Lucky Number Sleven
 
10:38 PM
im making an app
in which people can post text and have it auto run it through a thesaurus
im using node and a node package called wordpos to determine what type of word (noun, adjective, etc) a word is
now im serving the index.html and the rest of the site through express.static
how would i make it so that when i user clicks submit on the static served page it runs the backend node stuff?
 
xhr
 
how would I use that?
 
sockets
 
@copy much thanks!
 
10:43 PM
If you have problems, use the Chromium developer tools, they will guide your way
 
ok thanks@
!*
 
Guys, what's a good way of making an abstract function or an interface with JavaScript
not necessarily by enforcing anything, but making it very clear that this method should be implemented by child objects
 
document it
 
prototype.foo = function(){ throw new Error("Should've implemented me"); };
 
10:50 PM
Oooh, that's a good one
 
@SecondRikudo Aww, haven't gotten one of those in a while.
 
@BenjaminGruenbaum I should use it more.
 
Documenting it with a unit test is better though
 
I don't have unit tests for this project, it's an example pong for canvas for me to get the feels for it
 
@SecondRikudo You can also consider a JSDoc Google Closure Compiler style for it.
 
10:52 PM
If you don't have tests or documentation and it's an example project then just don't bother with it?
 
@RoelvanUden Google compiler supports that?
Link?
@BenjaminGruenbaum Also a valid point
 
@SecondRikudo I believe that's precisely the problem Typescript solves :p
 
But I do like your error throwing function, I think I'll use that one
 
@interface
 
10:53 PM
@SecondRikudo It's a good standby, for abstract classes at least (it obviously breaks typeof x["foo"] == "undefined" presence checks)
 

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