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3:06 PM
@Zirak I didn't realise that shoot had pictures with clothes too.
Cool.
 
I still like the second comment better
just made me think of Zirak. because I think that is something he'd do
 
Hahahaha
Didn't see that. I guess we use different sorting methods
 
@SomeGuy so you maybe didn't see this
 
Hahahaha no
But I did see him milking karma off every other comment
What do you sort by? Top?
 
3:12 PM
look at that chain of usernames
 
I've got it sorting by best
 
yea I sort top comment
 
Yeah, I saw them
 
I hate my colleagues, did I say that yet?
 
Probably
 
3:13 PM
Today I've had to explain for the umpteenth time that a commit in git is not the same as a push
 
lol
 
how can I get the selected value from this ddlfruits by the way - fiddle.jshell.net/2gn1h1La/10
 
"yeah, bro, can you do a new deployment?"
- "yeah, sure, where are your commits?"
"aw man, I'm already on my way home. Will do it later today, can you do a deployment after that?"
 
@CustomizedName ddl.val()
 
select.options[select.selectedIndex]
 
3:15 PM
@Kippie set up a build server with scripts that can push new packages, then you can just say "do it your damn self." Just don't let the scripts push to prod.
 
@ssube Yeah, I've been pushing for that for a long time already. But I'm only an external hire, so it's not really my place (their words, not mine)
But a new server has been ordered. Problem is that it's going to be TFS2014. I'll be pushing for TeamCity as well, though
 
@Kippie TC is... pretty good. Not great, but it works.
 
Teamcity is easy
 
We're running into some disk issues with it lately, where it doesn't clean up old artifacts well, but we're running 1k builds/day or so.
 
I mean, jenkins could do the job as well, but that requires way more configuration for a simple build
 
3:18 PM
Hopefully I'll get permission from mgmt and compliance to put our scripts on github soon, which will be sweet.
 
We're actually switching away from github
 
Yeah, TC8 + modular shell scripts + runners for any custom tasks is a nice setup.
 
@Kippie Why?
 
I don't care where they go, just want to open-source them.
We have a (fairly nice, if I say so myself) setup where TC builds the apps, puts together an RPM, sends it to S3 or Swift, Spacewalk picks it up from there, and a python service that tells MCO to push it out.
 
@SomeGuy Don't ask me, I actually started putting up everything on a private github repo a few years ago, because their TFS management was horrible and getting anything done would take months
But yeah, we weren't really using github all that much anymore anyways. It was just a git repo, and we didn't use any of the other features (except for pull requests and code-commenting).
Most issue management happened in Jira
 
3:20 PM
I considered leaving github after they managed a certain situation
among others
 
Plus heavily modified puppet modules to set up TC agents, so we can spin and respin them, and runners for all of it. Wanna make it os so folks can make it better.
 
@Loktar same
 
but I would stay on git, and use bitbucket
 
Does anyone's company here use Github enterprise?
 
they dont' care if someone breaks their TOS because it might impact them negatively in PR. they just proved they can be bullied into being bullies
 
3:21 PM
I mean, it seems like a decent-enough sollution for a big company with security concerns
 
yeah
 
@Kippie The one where they don't give you root?
We're currently evaluating Gitlab to do all the same things.
 
They don't give you root access? I thought, since it was a self-hosted sollution, you had full access to everything?
 
Last I checked, it was an appliance and they did all maintenance.
 
Also, is the "situation" we're talking about the gamergate repo?
@ssube Oh, that's pretty bad :s
 
3:23 PM
That may be a lie, though. We went through the features, price, and headed straight to gitlab.
Right now compliance is managing repo perms by hand and we have crucible for reviews, which is awful.
 
RFC: Top-level (ish) design for bot. Talks about how commands are made and shit like that.
 
@Kippie yeah
there was a satire feminist repo too
they removed it actually
 
Why? Which rules did it break that the other one did not?
(Not sure if we should have this conversation here instead of in miaou)
(never know who's listening)
 
@Zirak i don't like it
the message has detailed info about user and room...
 
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@Kippie I don't think it will be an issue. No one will be calling any names today.
 
3:27 PM
@CSáµ  afaik that is what SO sends
 
@Jhawins At least not until I get my booze on!
 
SO sends A LOT of information with the messages
 
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@Kippie Then we can go to miaou ;P
 
@rlemon "ossm"
 
@CSáµ  Why is that bad?
 
3:29 PM
@Zirak because the message is describing other things that are not part of the message
 
@CSáµ  have you ever checked the data that gets passed via the websockets?
 
nope
should I be afraid?
 
@CSáµ  The message isn't describing them, you can just access them via the message. I left out that the raw event that was received is also included, so you can think of it not as a "message", but as a "context".
@CSáµ  What can it possibly contain?
 
@CSáµ  Don't most messaging protocols send the author, room, body, timestamp, and other stuff?
iirc, IRC does.
 
@CSáµ  I can guess your email address with it
 
3:31 PM
@ssube iirc, yes
and that's ok
but room title and other details are not
user rep, etc
 
I called it a message because that's the terminology currently used, and frankly I couldn't think of another name. Calling it an "event" is lame, "context" isn't descriptive, and so forth.
 
It does seem a little more verbose than necessary.
 
"Package" is the closest I could think of, but it's also lame.
 
@KendallFrey guess... if you can get a portion of it at least and be sure, that would be interesting
 
@Zirak If they get sent out when a new message is posted, then message seems appropriate.
Message may extend MessageContext, which contains all sorts of nonsense
 
3:34 PM
The thing is, you need this data when you're handling a message. You need to know which user sent this message, you need to know which room it came from.
 
...sure
 
@Zirak that's true, user rep, and room title, meh
redundant actually
 
Really? User rep for instance is checked in /welcome
 
Don't know if you guys saw (or care), but Amazon AWS Lambda was announced yesterday; allows you to run Node.JS code on AWS in response to changes to AWS resources
 
3:37 PM
You need to know the user, you need to know the room. So I put them in as the bot sees them, because the bot on a lower level sees users and rooms like that.
 
I was waiting for an email since half an hour, so that the mail comes and I can go back to linux... and the fucking mail says that I have to wait one more fucking day!
Half an hour wasted :(
fuck
 
But that's a very minor issue. I'm more interested in knowing how the API looks like
 
@Zirak to be fair, i didn't check the codebase, my answer was superficial only to seeing that object
 
It's pretty cool to see a company like Amazon basically endorse Node.JS like that. (I couldn't help noticing that they chose Node.JS over...say... Haskell)
 
Psh who chooses Haskell, and isn't an academic?
 
3:40 PM
js is more widespread
 
@Loktar @JanDvorak
 
I can't imagine they're actually using node on the backend.
 
@ssube Why not?
 
Or if they are, it will last very long. They're gonna be on a custom v8 fork within a month.
 
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@ssube Why
 
3:41 PM
@Retsam Awful vendor support, weird design patterns, probably a fair amount of overhead.
 
Yeah the node forking discussion is weird
 
@ssube They're the vendor, the patterns aren't weird, not a lot of overhead
 
Using it at that scale, to respond to events coming in constantly, they're going to need something more distributed and smaller per-event.
@Zirak Amazon is not the vendor of node?
 
People also forget that it's called node, as in, one piece of a grander structure
 
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@ssube from what I gather from your profile, and the fact that you say you don't code outside of work.... Do you even Node?
 
3:43 PM
lots of high profile companies use node for their backends
 
@ssube oh, scratch that part, I misinterpreted
 
I don't think the 'node is not ready' argument holds anymore
 
@Jhawins Yes, but not heavily, so I could be wrong. We actually use it for a few things here and there.
 
user1596138
Well you're in for some surprises lol
 
It works, if you mostly ignore what they tell you about it.
 
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3:44 PM
What "weird patterns"
 
@ssube Gee, Amazon AWS is going to need to have something distributed? I don't know how they'll manage that...
 
user1596138
And where is the larger overhead?
 
@Retsam If they're using node (just normal, yum install node style), it will be interesting. Do they have boxes running it and responding to anyone's events, or a node node per client using lambda, or what?
If it's shared, what does that do to response time on events? What if someone is doing factorials and ruins the cpu?
 
user1596138
Don't believe everything you read from graphic design majors who decided they were programmers and wrote blogs about how Node.js is bad
 
Less shared and you have a ton of new, long-running processes.
 
3:45 PM
@ssube If you're asking me what architecture Amazon is using to support lamdas, I have no idea.
 
@Retsam Not asking you, just thinking about it. Seems like an interesting challenge.
 
I think its safe to say amazon and the people working there know wtf they are doing
 
Hi!
Do you use versioning when you code locally?
 
Need fast response time on events coming from all over, and probably want to keep clients mostly isolated.
 
I'd imagine they have a ton of small instances that they can assign to run lambdas as needed.
 
3:46 PM
Or you do it yourself, by numbering your code file :
myfile-v0.1a.js, then myfile-v0.1b.js
 
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@ssube I don't see any logic in assuming they will do "yum install node" and say "have it it public!"
 
@Loktar psshhh. no way man. they clearly have done no research and are shooting themselves in the foot.
 
@Basj started a few weeks ago, yes
 
@Basj yes, I use VC even for local code.
 
@Retsam A pool pulling from a message queue?
 
3:47 PM
> The context information for a function specifies the amount of memory needed to run it. You can set this to any desired value between 128 MB and 1 GB. The memory setting also determines the amount of CPU power, network bandwidth, and I/O bandwidth that are made available to the function
 
@AwalGarg what do you use ?
@Zirak Visual C ?
 
@Basj git
 
@Basj Yes. Usually git, since it doesn't need a server.
 
Also:
> Each invocation of a function can make use of up to 256 processes or threads. It can consume up to 512 MB of local storage and up to 1,024 file descriptors. It can also create up to 10 simultaneous outbound network connections.
 
@Basj That sounds scary, and no, VC = version control. I personally use git, but you're welcome to try things like mercury or darcs or whatever.
 
3:48 PM
@Jhawins Obviously not, more interested in whether they have a custom build set up, and what they changed.
Not something anyone has an answer to yet, but curious.
 
@ssube I've already tried github, github client, etc. I was a bit lost, the learning curve seemed a bit long
 
I also use git pretty much whenever I'm writing code... and occasionally when I'm not writing code.
 
user1596138
@ssube The answer is yes
 
@Basj check out source tree
 
@Basj Personally, git cli is pretty nice when you're the only dev.
 
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3:49 PM
It will be "custom" in more than 1 way. They are going to serve tens of thousands of users.
 
so you all use git ? (locally or with github)
 
Great tutorial for parts of git: pcottle.github.io/learnGitBranching
 
You need to know git init, git add, and git commit.
 
@ssube OSes are pretty good at limiting user-mode programs they are running
 
both
 
3:49 PM
@Basj (Bitbucket, sadly)
 
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But will the actual engine be custom? Fuck no this isn't Mozilla
 
Yo
 
Yo
 
user1596138
Yoh
 
3:49 PM
YO
 
@copy Per-process, yep. Can amazon be running a process per client? Or did they add something to node to restrict each lambda. Or do they just have a pool and run one lambda at a time?
 
ccccombo breaker
 
There is a basic thing that I didn't understand... : do you need to have 2 copies of the file (this was not mentionned in the docs) : the temp file you're working on, and the file in the repo ?
 
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@ssube They won't be handling that shit with node. Heard of docker? Think things like that
 
@Basj The repo keeps the old versions off to the side and hidden away.
 
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3:50 PM
They're not going to run every instance off of 1 "machine"
 
@ssube I don't know. But it certainly doesn't require making changes to code (although that's still not unplausible)
 
imagine I'm working on d:\coding\project1\test.js with Notepadd++
 
@Basj ...just try it once on test code. You will understand yourself.
 
@Jhawins Haven't gotten a chance to play with docker yet, unfortunately. :(
 
What happens when I do SAVE ?
 
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3:51 PM
@ssube Runnable.com uses it and has Node support,
 
That's odd. It's friday, yet there's no rebecca.blackfriday in the starred messages list.
 
@Basj The same thing that normally happens when you hit save.
 
Does git track all the "SAVE" I do, and creates a new version each time I hit SAVE in Notepad++ ?
 
@Kippie shhhh
 
Don't SHH me!
 
3:51 PM
@ssube that word you keep using...
 
SHHH
 
@Kippie it was forbidden, lemme find a link
 
@Basj No; git will notice that you have made changes to the file, and when you're ready, you tell git you want to remember the changes you've made as a version.
 
@BenjaminGruenbaum "the"?
 
@Retsam "commit" ?
 
3:52 PM
@Basj No, you have to use Gitpad+++, it's a custom editor
 
@Zirak Loll
 
@Basj Exactly.
 
It automatically numbers your files on every change
 
@Zirak really, or is it a joke ? :)
 
Weird
 
3:53 PM
@Basj @Zirak . Never . jokes. Get it.
 
@Basj It's sort of serious.
 
Would I ever joke about something like that?
 
No really, that's false, right ? ;)
 
It doesn't sequentially number the file, but keeps a copy based on the contents.
 
3:53 PM
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Never heard of "Gitpad++" !
 
@Basj oh fu :p
 
!!tell Basj google gitpad
 
Non-room owners can't right click - reply to this message - on deleted messages
 
@AwalGarg Command gitpad does not exist. (note that /tell works on commands, it's not an echo.)
 
3:54 PM
Because it's with three pluses, Gitpad+++
 
@copy room owner's can't either. You can tell me how much of a fail that was though :P
 
@Zirak Why is caprica not intelligent enough to understand that I am telling it to google?
 
@AwalGarg Because you could just as easily told it to search mdn
 
@BenjaminGruenbaum I was about to
 
3:55 PM
@Zirak meh... mdn has no article for gitpad. c'mon dude...
 
Well as I'm just an hobbyist, not pro developper, I cannot know if these things are jokes or not :) Sorry for being noob...
 
@BenjaminGruenbaum Spam every room?
 
@AwalGarg It's not a search if it already knows where to look
 
@AwalGarg you said you use git, do you use command-line ? git.exe?
 
Okay, workday's over. I'm outta here
 
3:56 PM
@Basj yes
@Basj no
I mean, command-line -> yes, git.exe -> no
 
@Basj /usr/bin/git
 
@AwalGarg So is this correct? : you work as usual in your folder. When you're ready, you commit. Then it will be saved in another (hidden) directory. And you can continue to work on the files, modify them, etc.
 
@copy yes, on the way.
 
@Basj kind of, yeah
 

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