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12:00 AM
@rlemon Secure military bases?
 
here you can just go in a bar and buy alcohol and stuff... even tho you're under 16 and even tho there are policemen around...
 
@Cicada3301 if you are smart enough, people will pay to have you as part of their society. Otherwise you are just as smart as the average person paying to be there ;)
 
italy is quite messed up
 
don't let Labels define you
 
12:00 AM
use <legend>
 
user1596138
If I lose my license for 2 years my best option is to get a job asap out of state where I can get a license. It only applies to Indiana.
 
@rlemon yeah... right... but it means that who was poor needs to make more effort than others to achieve the same thing...
 
user1596138
Plus now I'll have a record. Great.
 
@rlemon True that. I almost forgot, I'm not Mensa member since 1.01.2014 because I didn't pay :D
 
welll... and in this case it makes sense
 
12:01 AM
@Cicada3301 Einstein was a VERY poor man
 
@rlemon with a very good job... burocratic: no need to think more than others
 
@Cicada3301 "it means that who was poor needs to make more effort than others to achieve the same thing..." -> You're stating the obvious.
 
got loads of money and became a genious
 
@Cicada3301 did his best work as a patent clerk living on nothing
 
@Miszy that's what I was pointing out... it wasn't clear until I wrote it
@rlemon and tell me if that isn't a good job!
well... he had to study a lot first...
 
12:03 AM
!!xkcd swiss patent clerks
 
@Cicada3301 you forgot the KC
 
no... it's like the smiley
 
as someone who has been dirty poor and now comfortable with his livings... I can honestly tell you that most poor people (in Canada at least) are poor because they made bad choices. Get a job, get good at your job, get a promotion, make a fucking life for yourself. I am Native American and come from a typical native american home. Both my parents were poor and all of my family are hicks. all you have to do is make something for yourself and you are just as well off as anyone else.
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12:04 AM
@rlemon Unless the man takes your license and fines you out the ass... :P
 
no then you fight it
 
@rlemon Not so here. Poor people act like they deserve handouts.
 
user1596138
Which results in the lawyer taking all of my money. Either way this event makes me poor haha
 
don't get angry, get smart! (well get drunk first.. then maybe cry a little... but then GET SMART!) lawyer up and beat there ass then counter sue for the mental distress
 
my grandpa was born in a mud hut in the middle of nowhere in romania...
he became nanorobotic engineer...
 
12:06 AM
@SomeKittens same here... i'm not saying it is how it is, i'm saying it is how we should be.
 
@Jhawins I don't understand any more: Are you bragging or complaining?
 
I'm the son of two family lawyers. I got every I ever wanted, except... love.
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my father grew up in romania... in a better way than my grandpa and got called in italy for european-related stuff becouse of his skills with the pc..
 
and with tomorrow's deadline looming, nothing works.
 
user1596138
@Miszy Umm... I'm complaining. How would I possibly be bragging??
 
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12:06 AM
@SomeKittens Story of my life haha
 
@Miszy "Venting" is probably the word you're looking for
 
user1596138
^
 
I live with loads of money and probably I don't have a chance of getting better: what should I achieve? Do I even know what a bad choice is?
 
!!urban venting
 
Server error (status 500) occured (message probably too long)
 
user1596138
12:07 AM
^^^ EXACTLY!!
 
@Jhawins Just stop whining already, gosh.
 
@Miszy it's his party and he'll cry if he wants too!!!!
 
@Miszy Seriously though, it's a pretty big deal.
 
user1596138
I will complain as much as I want, for as long as I want. Or until rlemon mutes me.
 
12:08 AM
room topic changed to JavaScript: (Jhawins's party for the next hour) Please review the room pseudo-rules: rules.javascriptroom.com. Don't ask if you can ask or if anyone's around; just ask, and if anyone's free and interested they'll help. (no tags)
you got an hour
 
user1596138
Really though I know you guys don't care or anything... But I have to throw it out somewhere
 
use it wisely.
 
@Jhawins Stop complaining and make the best of what you have. You should have not broken law in the first place.
See you tomorrow :)
 
user1596138
@Miszy I didn't.
 
user1596138
The seat belt ticket I got that started this all was a fraud... My boss was the passenger in my car and is going to testify that I was wearing it the entire time if I ask him to he said.
 
12:10 AM
@Miszy That's a really easy thing to throw out. You've never encountered injustice?
 
guys... I should probably sleepnow: tomorrow I have to go to school by bike through the snow, let me at least be half conscious!
bye!
 
Let's all back off for a second here.. So he broke a minor law... It isn't like he used comma first or supports spaces > tabs, so give the guy some credit.
 
@rlemon I hear he uses .eval when nobody's looking
 
That.. Son... Of.. A... Bitch.......
 
Is there a difference between .toFixed(0) and Math.round()?
 
12:14 AM
Doesn't fixed floor it?
 
!!> 17.039.toFixed(0);
 
@monners "17"
 
!!> Math.round(17.039);
 
@monners 17
 
toFixed will ceil too
 
12:15 AM
@Å imeVidas what does the spec say?
 
!!> typeof 17.039.toFixed(0);
 
@monners "SyntaxError: missing ; before statement"
 
!!Math.round(1.5)
 
@rlemon That didn't make much sense. Use the !!/help command to learn more.
@monners "string"
 
@BenjaminGruenbaum Dude, I'm asking here instead. Got that?
:)
 
12:16 AM
toFixed returns a string, eh?
 
@Å imeVidas Let f be ToInteger(fractionDigits) first step.
 
Ah yes, toFixed returns a string. that's it
 
!!> Math.round(-0.5)
 
@BenjaminGruenbaum 0
 
I'm printing it into a <table> so no difference for me
 
12:17 AM
!!> (-0.5).toFixed()
 
@BenjaminGruenbaum "-1"
 
There, your difference.
 
!!afk meeting
 
@SomeKittens Stay safe.
 
Highly illogical
 
So is there a reason why toFixed(0) isn't governed by the Math.round() algorithm?
 
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A: Flags in chat are defective by design

PopsI've been thinking about this issue for several weeks now, and I recently got my hands on 120 days worth of actual chat flag data. The data covered all cases where at least two people found a message flag-worthy (including the original flagger) and at least one person thought the flag was not val...

@Å imeVidas yes, read it :P
 
cheeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeandimout
 
@BenjaminGruenbaum What am I reading?
 
12:23 AM
@BenjaminGruenbaum Damn it Button, I came to this chat to avoid the spec :P
 
It's really clearly written :)
 
Those days are over. I have shit to implement.
 
user1596138
Please share this data in whatever method required to preserve sensitive data so that we too may examine it and draw our own conclusions that may or may not be related to or in favor of the conclusions you have made. — Jhawins 8 secs ago
 
@Jhawins that's exactly what he did in the answer...
 
user1596138
@BenjaminGruenbaum No he didn't...
 
user1596138
12:29 AM
He shared his conclusion and his make-believe data. How do we know he didn't make a mistake? Or make it up? For discussion/implementation sake we should be given data, not a personally made conclusion of data.
 
user1596138
No user is perfect. Being a mod doesn't give you absolute credibility.
 
user1596138
Why am I the only one that asks for actual answers? You guys all just go "oh ok" and don't ask any more questions.
 
@Jhawins I asked for solutions - read my comment
 
user1596138
Which is a good thing to ask for. I agree with that.
 
user1596138
Couldn't you more easily address a solution yourself if you had access to this data though? He answered some of the statistics that can be drawn from this data, but much more can be determined with it.
 
12:33 AM
Flags should just be wiped out, they help nothing.
 
user1596138
I just don't think it makes sense to ask for solutions based on a single person's assessment of the data.
 
You can move things to the trash, and we have muting.
 
user1596138
You're right..
 
mod flags are solid, but they're different.
 
user1596138
Yeah they make sense.
 
user1596138
12:35 AM
A lot of problems seem to come from giving the public an option... Which is what these community driven flags do.
 
I think flags should work like questions.. if your flag gets denied enough times (i.e. the flag trolls flag pointless crap 4 times and it doesn't get validated) they lose flag privs in the chat.
that would be a step one.
 
user1596138
Honestly I don't think there is ever a case where the room owners can't deal with it on their own unless they're not there, in which case the moderator flags would suffice.
 
What problem do chatroom flags solve?
@Jhawins it's more that- room owners can't deal with it anyway.
 
they silence dumbasses after a while
a community method for silencing people who do/say stupid and or offensive things
 
We can, we have caprica, but rooms like Android and iOS didn't have a Zirak so too bad for them.
 
user1596138
12:39 AM
@BenjaminGruenbaum they can move the message?
 
@Jhawins hi
I'm
posting
a lot of message
s
 
^ haha hit the limit eh?
 
You can move them, but I'll just keep at it
 
I hate that..
 
I can even open three accounts
 
user1596138
12:40 AM
@BenjaminGruenbaum You can mute outside of caprica.
 
And do it from them, spammers galore
 
yeah but @BenjaminGruenbaum we can silence you via flags
 
@Jhawins not really.
 
can caprica do anything to multiple accounts from the same person
 
user1596138
@BenjaminGruenbaum Yes, really? I've done it.
 
12:41 AM
@Loktar it automates it quite nicely, just !!mute !!mute !!mute
 
user1596138
you just... Choose to do it.
 
@Jhawins do you keep track of the state of 6K people ^^?
 
yeah Im not arguing against it just pointing out chat flags do serve a purpose but can be abused like anything
 
user1596138
@BenjaminGruenbaum Caprica does not enable any muting functionality that the chat does not already have. Bottom line.
 
JS newbie here, if I have a progress indicator that will most of the time be running minutes or hours should I still use requestAnimationFrame or just something like a per second setInterval? jsfiddle.net/KfZFP
 
user1596138
12:42 AM
Unless I'm wrong.
 
user1596138
Then it's middle line.
 
@PeterT requestAnimationFrame
but do the timing in another script
 
ok, just seemed wasteful to update it at 60 fps
 
raf will update at their optimal speed
have a logic loop and a render loop
 
@PeterT what are you updating?
A simple dom element?
 
12:43 AM
css property
 
function timeKeeper() {
  // do the timing
  setTimeout(timeKeeper, 100); // 1/10th second update
}
function render() {
  // render
  requestAnimationFrame(render);
}
 
eh yeah req does seem like huge overkill
if you have something running for hours that will not visibly change much id do it in a timing func
 
@Loktar every time i've seen it in action it has chosen the most performance optimal speed. that is its point.
but if he is only updating minutes.. that is another story
 
@rlemon the point is you dont need to redraw it if it hasnt changed
 
@Jhawins it keeps track of over 6000 users, let me try to visualize that
 
user1596138
12:44 AM
Whoa @Benja this is terrible. You're right.
 
user1596138
No no you're right. I see it.
 
if his progress bar only changes once every min for example
 
user1596138
I didn't know how absolutely disgusting the access management is.
 
well yea, I just hit enter and made it two messages :P
 
^ not meant to be umm rude? idk
that came off dickish
I meant the point of his seems like he doesnt need to draw often at all
 
12:45 AM
raf even on a one second update loop wouldn't be overkill imo.
 
why check every second though?
 
raf does 60fps for me
 
like telling something to check an hour hand every second when it only changes once an hour
 
@PeterT because you can handle it
if you cannot, it adjusts.
 
@PeterT how much does the property change over the time period?
is it constantly changing
 
12:46 AM
@Loktar but you would still check it every minute. otherwise you risk ~1min+ latency
 
or is it something thats barely noticeable
 
my rule of thumb is one scale lower. if it updates minutes check every second.
 
it's a time interval indicator with a fixed start and end
usually in the order of half an hour to 10s hours
 
well if you know how often it will update why not just check/draw it in that interval of time
 
@Jhawins the access control list
Every pixel is a user ^^
 
12:48 AM
^ that tab is HORRIBLE
Y U NO PAGE THEM?!?!?!?!?!
 
user1596138
4 mins ago, by Jhawins
I didn't know how absolutely disgusting the access management is.
 
@rlemon Haha, because they didn't expect people to have 6000 images at once ^^
 
Android is similar iirc
 
user1596138
Yeah, that's just absolutely pathetic.
 
user1596138
The writer/designer of this chat should feel awful about that right there.
 
12:49 AM
for a site with how many millions of users... not to have paging on a list of users is insane
no matter what they expected.
 
@Jhawins you know, I can ping him ^^
 
if you do, can you ask him to add freaking paging.
 
With caprica, it's trivial, we only open that tab to make new room owners.
 
that page takes forever to load
 
@Miszy not gone... not yet
 
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12:51 AM
@BenjaminGruenbaum Yeah, you can... Why do I care?
 
@BenjaminGruenbaum you know you can do that without that tab
 
@rlemon if they're in the room I can
wait, can I?
 
yes
click on their name in the user list
 
Actions heading
 
I have a userscript for access control as well
 
This guy has been here forever.
No matter when I log in, he is in the room.
Never says a thing.
 
afk?
 
12:53 AM
Afk for life
 
Probably left his computer on and died like a year ago.
 
Went once in January 2013 and is in the chat since. What a life story.
 
room mode changed to Gallery: anyone may enter, but only approved users can talk
room mode changed to Public: anyone may enter and talk
 
last seen 1min ago...
he's not afk
 
one button next to the 'info' on the room links
 
but last messaged: 366d ago
 
12:54 AM
Ah cool, something about we need to get caprica 1000 rep so it can do it :P
 
@BenjaminGruenbaum it is a workaround until then
so you never have to open that tab
 
hide all images ^^
$("img").remove() - runs very fast afterwards.
 
I prefer my tools ready at hand :P
 
last message: @jurka hello, you log it before pushing
 
user1596138
@Zhegan you alive bro
 
12:56 AM
Jan 13 '13 11:34 AM
we believe in you!
on the 13th of january strange things happend
on the 13th of every month actually
 
well time to go have a smoke than sex my fish.
 
they keep breeding and I need them to stop.
 
HAMMERTIME!
 
gotta separate them
 
12:57 AM
pants
 
@SomeKittens Were you bitten!? Strip! Prove you weren't bitten.
 
@SomeKittens I bought 5 fish a year ago, i've already given away maybe ~50-60 and sold ~50-60 and never purchased once since I got the original 5
and if I tried to breed them i'd have WAY more
they eat 80-90% of their own young
 
good for you?
 
@rlemon what kind?
 
user1596138
CAESUM
 
1:03 AM
MALLEUS TEMPUS!
 
user1596138
RAHHH
 
user1596138
^ @Zirak CAESUM is the wrong word if you wanted "stop." I think CAESUM means pause.
 
user1596138
Stop is "Sistite" or something along those lines
 
@Loktar just guppies
GF's tank
 
ah I was going to ask, but I knew you had salt water
guppies are awesome, the ones with the fancy tails
 
1:06 AM
I prefer the freshwater plants and the corals.
@Loktar yea, we actually came out with some really freaky combos from the breeding.
i'm keeping those.
 
thats awesome, my friends mom used to breed them (not really on purpose)
makes me want to..
and yeah they eat the hell out of their young! lol
 
man that commute sucked
 
@RUJordan It's been 20 years. You can't just waltz back into my life like this.
 
these bred with these
 
user1596138
Err wait sistite is 'stop' if you're talking to a group of people. Siste is 'stop' if you're talking to an individual. Stupid latin rules. //might be the other way around..
 
1:08 AM
and then their children had babies...
now we have some cool ass guppies.
 
and this kids It's how your father met your mother
 
@Loktar hey man, if you wanted a cool setup I could walk you though it.
plants + fish are cheap. so is the tank really. stand + lights are where the $$ comes in
stand + lights === cost of everything else combined
but it is relaxing to watch.
ORRRR you can do a cookie jar tank (I have two) . $100 (maybe $150) and you are set. VERY low maintenance and still entertaining for the kids.
 
@SomeKittens mmk done
 
not mine. but mine is kinda similar, not as over grown.
 
1:11 AM
heh that is cool
 
@BenjaminGruenbaum Thanks
@rlemon What fish are in the first one? (or is that just plants?)
 
plants + shrimp (I assume shrimp)
I have 5 of these in each of mine
plus one of these.
 
shriiiiimp!
 
user1596138
Yumm
 
they are 1/4-1/2" long
closer to the 1/4 side
 
user1596138
1:13 AM
Nah not really. Eating shrimp feels gross because you're eating like everything, including it's shit, right? That's what I've always assumed. Plus the texture is disgusting.
 
live a number of years.
Copepods (; meaning "oar-feet") are a group of small crustaceans found in the sea and nearly every freshwater habitat. Some species are planktonic (drifting in sea waters), some are benthic (living on the ocean floor), and some continental species may live in limno-terrestrial habitats and other wet terrestrial places, such as swamps, under leaf fall in wet forests, bogs, springs, ephemeral ponds and puddles, damp moss, or water-filled recesses (phytotelmata) of plants such as bromeliads and pitcher plants. Many live underground in marine and freshwater caves, sinkholes, or stream beds. C...
 
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Unless they're hot and cooked. Nothing ever seems odd to eat when it's flaming hot.
 
@rlemon Total cost (setup and maintaining)?
 
you also get hundreds of freshwater these ^^
@SomeKittens of the jars?
 
yeah, shrimp jars
 
1:14 AM
~$100 depending on how many deals you get.
 
month to month?
@Max No we're not. jQuery's the evil one.
 
haven't calculated the hydro of running a tiny air pump and desk lamp... but I imagine minimal.
ohh and $30 in suppliments every 6-8 months or so
 
Max
@SomeKittens JavaScript is an evil inconsistent language and I shall have no part of it!
 
2.5-3g cookie jar, shrimp soil, small air pump (very small) + lines + stone, plants, shrimp, desk lamp, compact fl bulb (cool light) (iirc a 4 pack was like $6 and they are good for 6-8mo))
 
@Max @SomeKittens what??
 
1:19 AM
jar was $20, soil was $15, pump and lines were like $20, lamp was $15, I got small plants for cheap and the shrimp were like 5/$10 or something
I squirt in 1-2ml of this daily.
run the lights for 10 hours a day
I feed the shrimp once a week a few of my fish pellets, but some people don't feed them at all (they eat the algae)
 
Welp.. there's a lego movie coming out
 
@SomeKittens anything else :P or was that already way more than you asked for
 
Cool. Might look into that when I have a place that'll let me
 
I've had mine going for 4mo and already had to trim down the plants because they were growing out the top
@SomeKittens ha, I have the entire unit sitting on a old speaker.
1.5' x 3/4'
not even
 
@SomeKittens
o/
 
1:23 AM
@Adifex \o
 
the entire thing takes up about the space of a desktop tower if you wanna put the lamp next to it
but yea, anyone wanting to do this, let me know.
 
Sharkbait hoohaha
 
all you need to do is add water and an eye dropper a day (optional.. it is for faster plant growth). I put the lights on a timer.
 
You should get some sort of hardware so that you can make a program that interacts with your tank
 
fuck. you got me talking about fish. I forgot about my fish.
 
1:26 AM
Like how you can use that ninja block thing to fire a nerf gun or something
 
!!afk sleep.
 
@BenjaminGruenbaum Can you pick up some milk on your way back?
 
There should be a close vote option "Obvious Answer..."
 
I want to get an underwater camera and stream them.
They are calmer when people are not near the tank.
I did just trade in 5 fish for one. The turn over is horrible.
The five were too big. They grow so fast.
 
1:32 AM
!!s/so fast/up so fast/
 
@RUJordan The five were too big. They grow up so fast. (source)
 
:tear:
:sniffle:
0
Q: Javascript. Swap two variables. How it works?

voodoo417Saw in a single source next: [param_o,param_got] = [param_got,param_o]; This code swap variables param_o & param_got. How?? Its seems like in PHP: list($param_o,$param_got) = array($param_got,$param_o); But how [param_o,param_got] = [param_got,param_o] works, if [] is new instance of Array...

 
That works in Firefox
Would expect someone with 200k reputation to have heard about that feature
 
Let him know
 
That's for nurds
 
1:37 AM
YOU'RE A NURD
 
Max
works in Python! a, b = b, a!
 
anyone familiar with the ui library; particularly .draggable()?
 
I suppose you mean the jQuery UI library
 
jakeweary.com is already registered, but these options are available: damn
 
Otherwise you'll overwrite all the other ui libraries on global scope
 
1:40 AM
yes
 
I'm familiar with it. Swap problems with me?
 
It's a good deal
 
@SomeKittens sometimes I have problems when visiting public parks....
 
@rlemon is it because of that old restraining order of yours?
 
no the hooker and I are good since last February
this is because of my unresolved issues with the roundabout....
 
1:43 AM
I'm glad that's all cleared up. It's been bothering me knowing your prostitute relationship was on the fritz. :(
can you assign a function to multiple DOM element variables?
Like.. var a = var b = var c = function() { check(); }
 
@SomeGuy reddit.com/r/AskReddit/comments/1v48gw/… the last two edits are funny as hell.. the story not so much.
 
@rlemon Which edits?
^ Actual answer
 
no thanks mine seems pretty simple :P. I'm simply trying to call .draggable({helper: "clone"}); but when I retrieve the canvas element with $, I'm not getting the proper object that has the .draggable function so I get the "$(...).draggable is not a function" error
 
Turns out, yes.
<div id="x">derp</div>
<div id="y">herp</div>

var x = document.getElementById("x");
var y = document.getElementById("y");
x.onclick = y.onclick = function() {
	alert(this.id);
}
Didn't know that
0
A: How to check inputs in <form> and send form correctly

RUJordanTo improve on your design, it's better to use non-inline JavaScript. Try using a design like this: var fname = document.getElementById("firstname"); var other = document.getElementById("otherid"); fname.onblur = other.onblur = function() { checkEmpty(this.id,this.id+"Error"); } This will gi...

better methodology ftw
 
1:56 AM
@rlemon WHAT? WHERE'D YOU GET THOSE PICS?!?
 
@SomeKittens for more entertainment: imgur.com/a/rZ00S
I checked it! it really does!
 
I should post to r/gawwnwild
 
3:03 AM
is @jhawins in jail yet?
 
3:24 AM
Who wants to see some awesome code?
this.serviceMap[mcat] = JSON.parse(JSON.stringify(this.serviceMap["0"]));
 
3:44 AM
@Shmiddty why provoke him?
 

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