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3:00 PM
@Miszy where as when all of the thoughts are centralized mostly nothing can go wrong, if that person makes use of logic
 
Wow
 
@Miszy stalin was grown up by some nazi ortodhox christians: he was grown up with the intention not to use logic
 
it's not an issue of logic, it's an issue of morale
 
@FlorianMargaine and what's the issue here?
 
Who needs an artificial intelligence to enslave humanity.. we already have @Cicada3301! Cicada3301 for president 2016!
 
3:01 PM
not everyone has the same morale
 
@Bartek it really looks odd to me to be setting max attribute of some of the the form fields by calling function in <body onload="setMaxDate()">
 
@FlorianMargaine and that's a bit part of the problem: but if you explain something with logic and whoever you explain it to was grown up with a bit of mental flexibility you can prove that logic makes more sense than any morale
that's why I believe in the God Of Logic
 
@Bartek this is the function code: function setMaxDate(){document.getElementById('searchForm').startDate.setAttribute('max', getTodaysDate());}
where getTodaysDate() is another functions that returns today date
 
coders and phylosofists have more mental flexibility of everybody, as far as I'm concerned
 
3:05 PM
@Cicada3301 Sooo, if they found girls' tears to have curative properties, you'd be torturing girls to cure cancer if you had your way?
 
and I was shoked this morning when you told me most of you were religious
 
It's not so black and white
 
@Bartek are you still here?
 
@Neil no way, why do you think so? But for example I would use logic to tell girls to keep their tears, instead of letting them on the floor, or I would search for the composition of the tears and recreat those
 
s/morale/morals/
 
3:08 PM
@Cicada3301 You need to learn to respect other people's views
Just like we're doing here for you
 
@Neil and torturing some to save the lives of others it's not really logic: if I torture one I should let the other one die, and if I keep the first free I should keep the people with cancer with what they can do
 
Don't be all judgemental because someone is a theist
 
@SomeGuy I just said I'm shocked, I didn't insult any religion
 
@Cicada3301 Logic says to do what is the greater good
 
@SomeGuy I'm atheist too...
@Neil exactly
 
3:09 PM
@Cicada3301 A theist, not an atheist.
 
So if the greater good is curing cancer, then there is only course of action to take...
 
@Neil but some don't use it... you don't say?
@SomeGuy oh...
you guys will understand when you get older XD
 
o.O
 
@Neil then I would look for the composition of the girl's tear
 
Ummm. You're 13.
 
3:11 PM
@Cicada3301 Yes, but you'd agree that that isn't the most efficient way..
 
@Neil and you may say "but it has a soul, if you make it scientific it doesn't work", well, I can't prove you wrong in 1 day if you say so...
 
Logic is cold. My point is simply that the logical greater good is not necessarily "moral"
 
@Neil I agreed that torturing the girl is not good... but recreating it's tear in a lab is
 
And you can't always logically explain morals
 
logic has no relation to morality
 
3:12 PM
@SomeGuy phylosofy!
 
they are just both thought processes
 
@eazimmerman morality is defined by logic
 
everything is defined by logic
 
@Cicada3301 Your agreement makes no difference whether or not it is logical
 
@eazimmerman you're right
 
3:13 PM
@Cicada3301 Morality is defined by logic, whut?
 
@Neil it does, becouse it defines wether or not it is moral, which you still think of as different... but they're not
@Neil logic created the universe along with the 4 basic laws of creation
+1...
 
@Neil I think Cicada is saying logic is used to argue the validity of morals.
 
well... not for not atheists...
 
@Cicada3301 So if I agree to something, it must be moral?
 
@Neil if you agree something you need it to be in the respect of logic: that's how you succeed
 
3:14 PM
Hahaha
 
so love makes me fail?
 
@eazimmerman no, I say that morals are defined by logic
@eazimmerman then again... we get into the religious part of it, and I don't want to offend anyone
 
Love is a religion?
 
@Cicada3301 "Not for atheists"? Are you saying that logic isn't used to argue the validity of morals?
 
@eazimmerman but tecnically no, since you used the logic of reproduction and evolution
 
3:16 PM
One love. :p
 
@RyanKinal not by me... I recognize morals as a part of logic
 
love, anger are chemicals in our body
 
@Cicada3301 you don't need love to procreate
 
I've never felt more trolled than now
 
dudes!
 
3:16 PM
@SomeGuy no, but religions think different ways about that
 
I angularized my wifes site
(its not all working though, but it didnt before)
 
@Loktar Sweet?
 
@eazimmerman good point, but that does not apply to evolution
 
@Loktar Omaha is going to be so happy!
 
3:17 PM
just gotta fix the search and lisitng pages
 
what?
 
the images are all jacked
 
@SomeGuy for what?
 
They're going to be all like, "Whoa, this site uses Angular! Thank god I live here!"
 
<3 ngAnimate and ngRoute
@SomeGuy haha
 
3:17 PM
@Cicada3301 procreation has everything to do with evolution
 
@SomeGuy logic* (jk)
@eazimmerman procreation can get to the worse or to the better, love takes it to the better
 
evolution is the mutations caused during propagation
 
I would write all this differently but you can say that love is a kind of logical consequence of evolution and you can say that common values (not exactly the ones of religions but near) can be more or less logically deduced from physical needs like reproduction
 
@eazimmerman no, it means choosing the right mate+mutations
 
nmap homepage is funny
memes... memes everywhere
 
3:18 PM
lol. so when you look for a wife/husband, you look at their mutations?
 
@dystroy so you agree?
 
And it's perfectly possible to pretend to base its value on this kind of construct which can be coherent
 
@dystroy I assume you're atheist, or simply don't like your religion
 
anyone here willing to help with javascript? it looks like i came to nazcim/philosophy thread, and not javascript
 
@Cicada3301 I didn't read all what you wrote
 
3:19 PM
@dystroy you don't need to
 
@Wlad Welcome to the JavaScript chat! Please review the room pseudo-rules. Please don't ask if you can ask or if anyone's around; just ask your question, and if anyone's free and interested they'll help.
 
We've got all sorts of trolls in here..
 
I have explained my problem in above comments
 
@Loktar NP Doge!!!
COME ON MAN!
 
So I won't go as far as say I agree. But I understand what you globally mean (I wrote a big essay on the logical construct of values when I was about 13). And of course I'm an atheist
 
3:20 PM
@Wlad in here we talk about various topics, not always javascript, but you can everything about javascript: they're all experts here
 
once my friend had accident, his head was injured, and his nature changed, he became aggressive, he was no nice guy anymore, his brain chemical changed, it proves that morals are some chemicals, which at this time science can't explain but may be in future
 
or you know, his life changed and so did he
 
^
 
there, you see?
 
the brain isn't some chemical bath. it is an organic computer.
 
3:21 PM
it is both
 
I'm a physicalist personally, though
 
lol
 
@web2students.com religious people say it is becouse gods have punished him
 
@Loktar freaking Omaha :(
 
@rlemon 42
 
3:21 PM
@Cicada3301 84
 
168?
 
336
 
@rlemon ever read the hitchhiker's guide to the galaxy?
 
I don't like this town anymore
 
3:22 PM
>>!2*336
oh wait, that's not how you do it
 
@GNi33 whats wrong with Omaha?
 
@Cicada3301 ok then, i have a <input type=date> field in my form, Now, which form event is most appropriate to call a function that will set 'max' attribute on its date fields? or maybe some field event?
 
in it they say that te human was designed by other creatures, and our brain is part of the matrix of a huge pc calculating the answer to the famous questions
 
@Cicada3301 i dislike religious talk.. either talk scientific or religion, religion itself is illogical
 
@Cicada3301 yes. more than once. (keep in mind most of us are double your age, and nerds, so likely we've been exposed to nerdy things)
 
3:23 PM
@Loktar Peyton Manning screwed the Chargers over with it ;_;
 
@web2students.com prove that, and we're talking about logic
 
it was sickening to watch
 
@Wlad as I said.. they're experts, I came here to learn too
 
@Cicada3301 there are many topics where logic doesn't matter.
 
@Cicada3301 Did you come to learn scripture?
 
3:23 PM
@web2students.com even tho you may argue logic is a religion, and I'd agree
 
@Wlad are you trying to validate?
 
@Miszy as?
 
your question isn't very clear
 
@Cicada3301 Ethics.
 
@Cicada3301 i ctr + f logic and found 24 times logic (it include logical also) in this page
 
3:24 PM
@Kippie I came to improve my html, css and javascript skills
 
so i assume we are talking about it also
 
@Miszy =morals=logic
 
@rlemon well, i am trying to restrict maximum date to todays date, yes, to validate
 
@web2students.com that doesn't mean it's not about logic
 
Am I being fair to my client by charging $325 for this? swoonsports.andrewjorgenson.net
 
3:25 PM
@Cicada3301 I can logically argue both for and against about eg. abortion. So which side is the right side?
 
it's about hat you loaded
brb, phone
 
room topic changed to JavaScript: Javascript is Life. Life is Javascript. Please review the room pseudo-rules: rules.javascriptroom.com. Don't ask if you can ask or if anyone's around; just ask, and if anyone's free and interested they'll help. [ecmascript,] [horses-riding-cowboys] [javascript,]
 
@web2students.com The practice of religion comes from early tribalism and the recognition of common symbols and occurrences (such as the sun rising). Tribalism and community were a good way to stay alive (power in numbers), and religion remains one of the primary ways rural Americans get social interaction.
 
@Miszy /me ducks
 
back
@rlemon javascript, the universe and everything
 
3:26 PM
Thus, logical.
 
can we change javascript's name to logicscript?
 
@Miszy the logical side
 
@eazimmerman No, that would be illogical.
 
element.addEventListener('change', function(eventObject) {
    if( this.value === 'foo' ) { return false; } // do your stuff on the change event for the element.
}, false);
 
@Cicada3301 Which one?
 
3:26 PM
@Wlad ^ * 2
 
@Neil -brain explodes-
 
@eazimmerman Anybody can add an alias to anything. But some people might still use the old namle
 
@rlemon I have asked a question today on SO and got nice answers here: stackoverflow.com/questions/21111818/… but now wondering which form or field event is most appropriate to call this function from
 
@eazimmerman That would just be a poor decision. There are quite a few things that are not logical in JavaScript (See "The Bad Parts" section in The Good Parts)
 
@Miszy abortion means that the mother doesn't want his child anymore, which means counterproductive to humanity... if there are reasons she better abort, if there aren't she better not
 
3:27 PM
@rlemon whats that?
 
@Wlad the change event, and the input field you want to validate against
 
@deadbeef Which part of the site are you referring to?
 
@Wlad do you know javascript?
 
@Miszy if she isn't going to be a good mother at her age and she knows it she will want to abort, and I'd let her do that
otherwise I wouldn't
 
i know javascript, not an expert, but familiar with it
 
3:27 PM
science, maths was part of philosophy but then separated from it, and in this sense 1 day philosophy will be null set, and religion is similar 1 day it should be finish
 
@AbhishekHingnikar you have a picked pen bro
 
also what is wrong with the accepted answer?
 
nice job
 
@rlemon onchange inside form tag?
field?
 
@Miszy and that's not really a topic for me: I never understood how could morals be applied to babies not even born, but I'm sure they should... so I can't say much about that, since I'm still confused
 
3:28 PM
@Cicada3301 That only proves how limited your point of view is. You did not take so many things into consideration, including ethics, religion, psychology, feelings...
 
@Wlad on the field you want (the input)
 
!!afk suddenly friggin' hungry
 
!!afk
 
@Miszy I told you that that's not my topic
 
@rlemon ok, thanks, ill try now
 
3:29 PM
!!are you alive?
 
@Cicada3301 Some would say that there is a higher moral standard
 
Aw, no Caprica. Oh well.
 
As if there were a rulebook that some higher authority wrote saying what is right and what is wrong
 
@Neil if they prove it to be completely logical and better than before I'd accept it
 
@rlemon Why is Caprica dead?
 
3:30 PM
@AbhishekHingnikar y u no haml
 
I suppose you'd have to believe in this if you believe in a god which has no malintent
 
@Neil tell me a god without malintent
 
#loader
  - (1..24).each do |i|
    .pixel
 
@Neil in his story you'll always find that he made mistakes
 
@SomeGuy sorry my pc got shut down and I forgot to start her
 
3:31 PM
@Neil and hurted humans for no reason
 
kghhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyt
uhh what now?
 
@Cicada3301 that wasn't my point, but now that you say that, you imply you don't believe in a higher moral standard..
 
I seriously didn't type that
 
I thought logic was your thing..
 
!!info
 
3:32 PM
@rlemon I awoke on Tue, 14 Jan 2014 15:31:37 GMT (that's about 31 seconds ago), learned 249 commands
 
@Neil not yet, if I found a better one I will
 
what exactly is the topic?
 
@Cicada3301 what I mean by higher moral standard is that for any situation, there is a right and wrong and it doesn't conflict with the right and wrong of similar situations
If you don't believe in that, you're saying you can be right in a situation and wrong in a very similar situation, depending on any number of factors
 
I ask you all one thing: rethink with logic, indipendently of what it is (code, what to eat, job choices or anything)
 
I used logic this morning to determine how much toilet paper to rip off after my standard deuce
 
3:34 PM
@Neil that is a thing that only religions have: I believe in better
 
it was legend ... wait for it..... DARY!
 
if something's bad, it can be better, if something's good, it can be better
 
@Kippie The entire website.
 
hah nice
 
I should add that I'm a teenage freelancer, not a big name.
 
3:34 PM
Chris Coyier added a pen of mine to his collection
 
@Cicada3301 what you want to ask?i don't know topic, i directly jump into the topic...
 
@Loktar yea it always feels nice
 
@web2students.com ?
 
well hes loved a bunch of my pens
never added it to a collection though
 
What you want to ask?i have no idea
 
3:36 PM
@deadbeef Well, you obviously put in enough work to warrant that amount.
I myself don't really like the design, though.
 
@Loktar I am in the christmas (or new years? halloween? one of the occasions) collections of his
 
posted on January 14, 2014

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alright today I have to make a pen
 
and he is the only lover on this
make up for the fact it got no attention
 
@web2students.com to rethink everything with logic
 
3:36 PM
lol I have a pen like that too
my lowest viewed one
 
need to take my dog out now
 
@Cicada3301 ok but about which topic?
 
lol
 
Mr. Coyier is a fan of the ol 64
 
3:38 PM
@Kipple Either do I, but it's what he wanted.
 
by the way i don't believe in god,
 
however he needs to stop modeling the t shirts on css tricks
he does not do them any favours
 
@Cicada3301 Is that a logical decision?
 
man boobs do not sell t shirts!
2
 
Oh man I forgot I ordered something from there
 
3:39 PM
maybe crop out the face and say it's woman boobs
 
they were all out
said itd be shipped once they got more in
cant remember wtf it was now
 
lol now someone will ask, what is logic? this discussion is going to be endless or ends without any conclusion
 
!!afk Not that anyone would care
 
@Kippie Nobody cares.
 
Nice
 
3:41 PM
Hey guys, I need some assistance trying to get the correct orientation detection of a Kindle.
 
Someone posted that before, so mandatory repost
 
Holding the device in landscape mode, If I clear my cookies and cache in the Kindle -- window.orientation = 0 for some reason. However, if I reload the website in portrait and then rotate the device, then I get window.orientation = 90. Thoughts?
 
@ProfessorElm bug?
 
@JanDvorak, I'm not sure it is. I tried to even set up special scenarios for it.
 
Hi Professor Elm
Is your real name Elm?
 
3:43 PM
I'd wear a codepen or a github T
 
mug#my-mug > .coffee {
  color: black;
}
 
also a stack T (which remindes me. i'm getting one some day... whenever it gets here)
 
@ProfessorElm are you setting it manually?
 
I'll provide a snippet..
 
@Loktar meta.stackoverflow.com/questions/212433/… still hasn't arrived
 
3:45 PM
@rlemon Hahahaha
Cracked up in the first sentence
 
I got some rando email from Tim Post asking for my deets - wasn't aware I had won anything - thought SO was just being creepy.
 
back
 
@JanDvorak, this is what I have: jsfiddle.net/hLeLN
 
@rlemon what do you get?
 
3:46 PM
oh nice a shirt
 
t shirt, stickers, and a surprise
 
@web2students.com everything
 
Anybody with an idea?
 
lol shity? wtf
 
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Q: Only enable jQuery UI sortable for items that contain a known child

Ionică BizăuThe example works fine, but the problem is when I want to enable sortable only for items that have a child that contains a known class (e.g. action-move). I have this HTML code: <nav class="navbar navbar-default" role="navigation"> <ul class="nav navbar-nav"> <li class="page-item item"

 
3:46 PM
Ohhhhh Dashing through the posts!
With more downvotes on the way!
Over to Meta I go!
To write about my day! (ha ha ha)

Hats are SE bling
Making regulars fight!
what fun it is to double ping,
on the chat system all night!

OHHHHHHHHHHHHH

Stack Overflow, Stack Overflow,
Why doesn't this site pay?
Oh! what fun it is to argue
about why jQuery sucks all day!

Oh! Stack Overflow, Stack Overflow,
You just made my day!
I could be working but instead I am
Writing meta posts this way (in a song!)
 
@Neil yes
 
I got a shirt back when they had the store still and stickers
 
@rlemon congrats, I didn't know you won :D
 
neither did I till qwertnl told me
 
@rlemon Congrats!
 
3:48 PM
is @Miszy still afk?
 
personally I liked this entry better: meta.stackoverflow.com/a/212456/167434
 
MAN -- this kindle fire is causing all sorts of issues.
Getting the initial orientation detection is a pain when it shouldn't be,.
 
don't even want to ask why chat stopped as soon as I wrote stuff...
 
Heheh.
It's fine.
 
@Cicada3301 sorry , i have to go now, if you want to know scientific view read, The Selfish Gene by Richard Dawkins , though not all scientist agree with him, and if you want to know religious view , there are many different views depending on religions
 
3:54 PM
@web2students.com I was aware of those... bye
we can still be friends, right? I mean... those were my thoughts, and I tried to prove them...
 

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