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2:00 PM
@Cicada3301 You have the mind of 13, proved it just a second ago.
 
@Cicada3301 no, not really
 
@Miszy I don't want to be treated as a 13, that's the whole point
 
@Cicada3301 So stop behaving like a 13-yo child
 
@Cicada3301 what you want is irrelevant
 
@Cicada3301 Don't tell people you're 13, then
 
2:01 PM
you say that if I had the mind of a 30 I would just be humile.... I don't think so: my goal in life is to rule the world
 
Don't tell people you're awesome because you can drink a lot. That's just childish.
 
@SomeGuy and to tell then how good of a 13 I am
@Miszy I simply told you that I have experience with beer... not that I'm awesome for that
 
@Cicada3301 You're not any good. I know a lot of 13-yo people knowing much more about programming and life than you.
 
5 mins ago, by Cicada3301
@Miszy well... I'm a good whine tester... and I can drink entire bottles without getting drunk...
 
@Miszy becouse in italy we don't do anything, of course you do
 
2:02 PM
@Cicada3301 At least they know that alcohol experience is nothing to brag about, srsly.
 
@Miszy coz they're wise... I just want to rule the world, I don't need to step back from anythign
 
@Cicada3301 Word of advice: Don't tell anyone your age. Act the age in which you'd like to be treated.
 
Good advice
 
@Cicada3301 Word of advice: Stop this bullshit.
 
I mean if you didn't tell us your age we might really expect you're older
like 15
 
2:04 PM
@Miszy My advice applies to everyone in this room.
 
@Miszy my sister went in england 2 years ago, for studying, unless I get there (where drinking alcohol for people like me is normality) I don't drink any beer
 
@Neil Mine could too :D
 
as I said... I don't like the taste
 
@Miszy Hahaha
 
Nothing wrong with being a beer abstainer
That being said, I'm glad I like beer
 
2:06 PM
let's get back to the topic: @Miszy the first thing I saw is that you should never use jQuery...
 
Stupid question from 2013:
Q: "How can I check name of the callee function / class? I need it for debugging"
A: "Heard of debugger?"
 
@Neil A lot of wrong with being a 13-yo alcohol expert here.
 
@Neil What's your favorite kind?
 
@SomeGuy I always tend to stick with Moretti beer, which is an italian cheep beer :)
 
@Miszy I suppose you've been in england. There is completely normal
 
2:07 PM
@Cicada3301 Good advice for a JS programmer. But still, jQuery makes a lot of things easier for beginners like you :)
@Cicada3301 No it's not. Underage drinking is strictly prohibited in England.
 
Though I've had an British beer called Superstorm that I like a lot
 
@Miszy but everyone does it...
 
@Cicada3301 Show me your friends and I'll tell you who you are...
 
@Miszy I could get in a pub and ask for a beer, and they got me some...
 
@Miszy It's more acceptable for underaged to drink in Italy
 
2:08 PM
@Neil 13 year olds too?
 
@Miszy My sister is a 10/10 cambridge linguistic student...
 
@Cicada3301 No, you would not. Not in England.
 
And it's typical for young people to brag about alcohol consumption
 
her friends are about the same
 
It's common for people underage to drink in India too, but not at 13
Maybe 15-16
 
2:08 PM
@SomeGuy Not saying I approve, just saying it's more accepted
 
Yeah, I'm just asking if it's common for that young kids too
 
@SomeGuy alcohol has very pronounced bad effect on such a young person's body
 
@Miszy keep in mind that I look 17, as of fisiology
 
In India, after you're about 15, a lot of places don't ID you
 
@SomeGuy today is eid right ?
 
2:09 PM
@Cicada3301 Hahaha, it's physiology
 
@Cicada3301 I don't care really.
 
@AbhishekHingnikar Yep
 
Hi
 
Eid Mubarak :D
 
we should stop that discussion already
I mean what the fuck
 
2:09 PM
@SomeGuy had no idea how to write that
@Miszy I understand, but the point is that people in the bars don't care aswell
 
@Cicada3301 Google it :)
 
@Miszy stop guessing,start googlin
but at least I don't smoke and think I never will
that was not english
 
@Cicada3301 That's bad :/ In Poland they care much more now than they used to and it's a good thing.
 
yesterday it came to my mind this: highschool is the school for 'high' (as of drugged) people?
 
No.
 
2:13 PM
stackoverflow.com/questions/21076460/… is it a bad or not to generate ids on the client's side?
 
@Cicada3301 No, high teachers
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@user3183756 It's bad :D
 
Exactly ^
 
> (1e4*(Date.now()+Math.random())).toString(16)
 
2:13 PM
@Miszy and why?
 
yeah I can't see how that could possibly fail
 
@AbhishekHingnikar Oh, god, why? :p
 
Hi
 
@user3183756 Because you might get into conflict. And mongoDB generates cool ids when inserting.
 
@Miszy everything I do I rethink it with logic, not as they tought me since I was 11... and this age thing... it's crap and bullshit...
You can't determine what someone can do becouse he was born at a certain year
 
2:14 PM
@Cicada3301 It is to a certain extent
 
@SomeGuy Usualy it's not bullshit.
 
it means that people who have no idea what keeping a car and keep lives means can drive... whilst people way younger can't, even tho they know perfectly the rules of the street and have a lot of self awareness
 
@Cicada3301 Teens are irresponsible
It's not that they can't drive, it's that they're more likely to drive irresponsibly
 
@SomeGuy can you say that for every teen? you're generalizing
 
2:16 PM
@BartekBanachewicz Still - it could. And backend will generate conflict-less ids without a hassle. And still - you probably want to wait for the backend response to know if the insert was successful, so what's the reason to generate ID on the frontend?
 
I could literally keep the whole world toghether... but I'm too young to do certain tings
 
@Cicada3301 Do you expect the law to not generalize then?
 
@SomeGuy I expct it to have different parameters
 
And how is the law supposed to measure how responsible people going through so many crazy hormonal changes are?
 
for the italian laws I can't work... but I would really be able to have hard and difficult works...
 
2:18 PM
@Cicada3301 It's more likely. It's better to have the law that way than the other.
 
@Miszy you can generate cool ids by yourself too, the bad part of it is this being visible on client side maybe
 
@SomeGuy that's for phyolosophers to think of... the answer is not obvious...
@SomeGuy how much do you think it took us to take the age system as a parameter?
 
@Miszy and conflicts shouldn't happen a lot
 
This isn't part of philosophy. Psychology, probably.
 
@user3183756 That's not a bad thing. It depends on what do you need them for. If in the end everything is stored in a database - then there's no reason to generate ids on the frontend. Better let backend do it.
 
2:18 PM
@Cicada3301 Huh?
 
@SomeGuy before we had the graduation tests as in some tribes in africa
and that worked much better: the people could decide when to do the test
some could made it at 30 years, becouse they were not responsable and stuff, and some made it at 8 years...
 
I'm not talking about work or education
 
of course in this crowded society we can't do that
 
@Cicada3301 You just think you could. But trust me, it's better for all teenagers not to have hard, difficult and responsible tasks.
 
We can't take people singularly
 
2:20 PM
But in the end, you'll see when you're older
 
@Miszy only for who wanted, as me
 
@user3183756 It would be ridiculous to try to create ids on the client side
 
Me saying that may seem bullshit to you
 
@Miszy yes ok, I could also do _id=Math.random() from the backend. the post was about to avoid Mongo's ObjectId which are hard to encode/decode
 
But I had the same views as you when I was younger
 
2:20 PM
What if two clients generate the same id and send both off to the server? It's an unnecessary hassle
 
@SomeGuy I could already be older if what I said happened...
 
@Miszy thanks
 
@Cicada3301 Do you have a time-travel machine?
 
@user3183756 mongo creates the id automatically if I'm not mistaken
 
@SomeGuy probably you didn't have an whole plan for redesigning the world system in many functional and well though details
@SomeGuy let me check...
 
2:21 PM
Haha, alright
 
@Cicada3301 I bet most of teenagers have.
 
If you're that brilliant, why are you letting a pesky little government system stop you from taking over the world?
 
@SomeGuy I think I lent it to my dog...
@Miszy trust me, at least in italy they don't, none that I know of
 
@Neil yes but they are not easy to deal with, you have to wrap them just after decoding
 
Since, you know, the government would be part of what you'd have to control anyway
 
2:22 PM
@Cicada3301 That's bullshit. You only look at yourself and can't see the whole picture of this kind of law changes.
@Cicada3301 none that I know of
 
it would be cool if ObjectId's were handled like strings
 
@Miszy I can
 
@user3183756 Don't worry about the client knowing the ids. Generally you should let your backend perform database operations
 
@Cicada3301 Of course, I see.
 
@Miszy Let it be
 
2:23 PM
The backend can decide you don't have permission, even if you know the id
 
@user3183756 What do you mean? In what way they are not?
 
@Miszy they're quite obvious
 
@Cicada3301 If you say they're obvious then you don't know anything
 
@Miszy coll.find(new ObjectId("123456789abc"),..) works not coll.find("123456789abc",...)
 
@Miszy becouse I read the whole italian law many times
 
2:23 PM
@Cicada3301 There always unforseen consequences of actions, even the smallest actions
 
@Miszy I looked at all of the cons... but couldn't find many pros
 
@Cicada3301 You have to learn about that. With great power comes great responsibility.
 
and trust me: that's not lack of experience, I was born with that kind of sense: the whole branch of my mother family are lawyers and judges and magistrates: they tought me something and I have pretty good logic mechanisms
 
@user3183756 ObjectId("123456789abc") === ObjectId("123456789abc") so what's the point?
 
@Miszy in italy great powers are given to pedos which apparently have been to jail twice already and didn't ask themselves why
 
2:25 PM
@Cicada3301 that's not lack of experience, I was born with that kind of sense - let the bullshit flow out of you
 
@Miszy not sure
 
@Miszy read what I said later
 
@Cicada3301 You'll learn when you're older.
@Cicada3301 Let me stop you right there. Wait until you're 20. At least.
 
@Miszy again... age...
 
@Cicada3301 Look, man, you can't prove us wrong until you've been there
And when you're older, you will find yourself stupid
Awesome, sure, but not as awesome as you used to think
 
2:27 PM
@Miszy that's what everybody says: and I thought that was true, then I saw how better plans would have been done by me and figured out that it made sense they didn't change it
 
@Cicada3301 You'll learn. Wait and see.
 
@Miszy ok... but what if you're wrong? the chances you think will be very very low, but what if that happends?
 
Well, so what?
 
@Cicada3301 Then we'll see. I can wait. Seemingly it's you who can't.
 
look at some of the greatest mathematicians: they didn't stop becouse people told them they were too young, and then they proved relativity, they redefined logic in math, found really good and smart ways do do operations
 
2:31 PM
@Cicada3301 Noone's telling you to stop developing or working
 
I didn't dig too much in the world of science... but I assume it's the same thing
 
@Cicada3301 We're saying: Cut the bullshit.
@Cicada3301 Prove us wrong instead of just talking
 
you're telling me to stop thinking about that becouse I'm a cute little 13
 
We didn't tell you to stop thinking about shit
 
ok, tell me one law that for you makes perfect sense
 
2:32 PM
Don't pretend like you know it all
 
@SomeGuy you did
 
Tell me one law that you can make perfect.
 
almost any: if it's not perfect it can be better, right? and no law is perfect other than the maths ones
 
23 mins ago, by Bartek Banachewicz
we should stop that discussion already
 
Yeah, I'm out
 
2:33 PM
EOT
 
maybe on another page called:"course of how to rule the world"?
 
Not for me
 
Oh god i am an idiot*
 
I remember being cocky as fuck when I was 13, hahah :D
 
what in the world i was typing :-|
@Miszy we all are :P
 
2:34 PM
@Miszy Hahaha, yeah, me too
 
@SomeGuy you still are
 
I'm cocky?!
 
@AbhishekHingnikar you're more than him
 
Gee, thanks genius.
 
yet you're 20
 
2:35 PM
@SomeGuy , @FlorianMargaine -_-
seriously ... jokes ?
 
@Miszy I remember my civil education teacher telling me to get out of teh class for that hour...
 
So how old are you? I WILL JUDGE NOW.
 
@Miszy Who?
 
simply becouse all of the italian laws were wrong, I proved that and it made perfect sense for her that they were wrong... otherwise she usually tells me why what I'm saying is wrong...
 
@SomeGuy Everyone. Just joking of course :)
 
2:39 PM
Hahaha, that's perfect
 
and the last thing usually never happends... but that time I got really 'cocky' becouse too many students were completely approving and saying that what the teacher was saying was really clever, and of course it wasn't... it looked like a nightmare, when you're the only one to understand something in a group of people you'll have to pass the next 5 years with, while they're convinced that was true... of course at last they agreed with me.
but the teacher loved italy so much that she needed to throw me out of the class for national insult... and everything happened very calmly, we all knew it was gonna happend
the teacher excused herself when the hour finished, but not in front of the students...
now... does that make much sense? I don't think so
 
@Cicada3301 I think you're just an ass.
 
@BartekBanachewicz that's exactly the same thing I thought. Just wasn't sure if I want to express that thought.
 
hi all, anyone here willing to help with some simple javascript?
 
@BartekBanachewicz I might be, but I'm damn right: that's why I think central power if applied by me would be the best to keep the world better
 
2:42 PM
Thank god it isn't
 
@BartekBanachewicz he's more cocky than you are :D
 
@Wlad everyone here is wanting to help, what do you need?
 
@SomeGuy yep. We've got a new dictatorship growing.
@Miszy I'm not 13 anymore, eh?
 
@BartekBanachewicz WHAT COULD POSSIBLY GO WRONG, huh? :D
 
Can you imagine him growing up to actually be a dictator?
 
2:43 PM
well, i have asked today simple question here on SO, and got an answer
but
 
We'd be kicking ourselves then
 
@SomeGuy the chances wouldn't be low, trust me
 
you can see i am trying to restrict date to have max attribute set on todays date
 
@Cicada3301 You honestly think a dictatorship is a good thing?
 
@Cicada3301 Is that something you're proud of?
 
2:45 PM
simple html, input type=date field
 
@Cicada3301 yeah, no reason not to trust a random nazi 13yo on the internet
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That one person can be better than every other, at everything?
Okay, okay, I'm out again
 
@SomeGuy I have a really long discussion going on about it... and it depends
@BartekBanachewicz I'm not nazi at all
 
@Cicada3301 I think you lack some basic history lessons. Start with that.
 
so, i got nice answers how to set max attribute of that field in javascript
 
2:45 PM
@Cicada3301 Yes, yes you are.
 
for you dictator ship just means death: please think again
 
@Wlad so what's the problem?
 
!!/wiki nazi
how do i...
 
you broke it
 
but now, what is the most appropriate event to call this function that sets this attribute
?
 
2:46 PM
!!You there?
!!live
 
@Wlad document.ready?
 
how do I do that @SomeGuy?
 
@rlemon Cap's down
 
@BartekBanachewicz Or window load
@CapricaSix Are you there? :)
 
@Bartek oh, ok, ill give it a try now, thanks
@Bartek is it jquery?
 
2:48 PM
Nazism, or National Socialism in full (), is the ideology and practice associated with the 20th-century German Nazi Party and state as well as other related far-right groups. Usually characterised as a form of fascism that incorporates scientific racism and antisemitism, Nazism originally developed from the influences of pan-Germanism, the Völkisch German nationalist movement and the anti-communist Freikorps paramilitary culture in post-First World War Germany, which many Germans felt had been left humiliated by the Treaty of Versailles. German Nazism subscribed to theories of racial h...
 
i would like to implement it with plain javascript
@Bartek
 
@Wlad nope.
 
nazi implements racism and antisemitism
 
@Wlad one other way is to use <body onload="yourloadfun()">
 
I don't: my girlfriend is ebraic
but then again... with hitler... think about what would happend if he would have rules the world?
 
2:49 PM
is there some form event i could call this function on?
 
think, and write stuff here, and use logic to write
 
4 mins ago, by Cicada3301
@BartekBanachewicz I'm not nazi at all
 
Man, I haven't seen such an elitist ever
 
write me explanations (!= becouse he was a crack headed man)
@BartekBanachewicz exactly
@BartekBanachewicz I'm not nazi, but I believe in dictature, if used with logic
 
because my form is kinda nested deeply in the htnl document @Bartek
 
2:51 PM
hitler did use it
 
@Cicada3301 How about you try to explain yourself instead?
Why do you think a dictatorship makes sense?
 
@SomeGuy I will, can someone create another chat to discuss this?
 
Can one person hold the expertise required in such a wide array of fields?
Actually, no, don't
 
@Wlad and that matters why?
 
@SomeGuy nope, but no dictator did anything by themselves
 
2:53 PM
On Lounge the whole topic would've been binned by now
go figure.
 
the problem they had was not always using logic: they got carried by emotions
hitler used logic almost all of the time
 
@Bartek I wil have many sections, divs, and couple forms in my html, so would just like to have related informations grouped and implemented in their part
of document
 
what better to get the consense of a crowd of people whom don't use logic? explain them something illogical, but what they want.
= killing ebraic people
from there he could rule the world
 
@Bartek i mean its not a big deal, just asking if there is a way to call that function on some form's event?
 
he could have had all of the logic in the world, but nothing stopped people from saying rumors about him or english people from destroying his empire
I'm sure he would have stopped killing ebraic people before getting to 3/4 of russia, and used something else, more logical, so he couldn't be seen as a bad person after years
 
2:56 PM
Okay, I don't like doing this, but stop, @Cicada3301
 
@Wlad I think you should separate DOM from logic at this point
 
but he needed to seem carried by emotions, and helped mussolini... ok... but keep in mind I have a fully logical point of view about this... not from the point of view of the nations
and if you ever want to debate this agin, plz tell me
 
@Bartek ok, thanks for advice, i'll try now and see what works
 
@Cicada3301 Your babbling doesn't make any sense to me. Can you shortly answer this question: "Why do you think a dictatorship makes sense?"
 
@Miszy a democracy would be just as good, if everyone in it would make perfect sense of things, but that never happends
 

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