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5:00 PM
ALL THE EMAIL FARMING BOTS, COME QUICK!
Juicy email expecting you!
 
@Pubby done
 
@Pubby You're not gonna fool them with that ;)
 
Gosh, train the damn filter already, I haven't had spam in inbox for years.
 
meh, robot seems to think he can't be useful in this project, cause too many peeps already :(
 
roobooot :( nyuuu :(
 
5:02 PM
@TonyTheLion Nope.
 
So.. let me guess.. everything is crystal clear and now we have a IDE
 
we cannot fit any more people on the team
 
Yarr yarr, shit::blocks::fuck up and running.
 
The Robot isn't helping?
 
5:04 PM
I'm making an explanatory screenshot of Workbench.
Just gimme some time.
 
no more peeps can be added to the repo
that's why he not here
 
I'm having diner and heading out in a bit, @deadmg can you email details on what you spent for BB
 
@thecoshman no probs
 
10$/month.
 
if this lasts longer than a month :P
 
5:06 PM
We really have an accountant, fucking awesome.
 
kewl eh
 
btw, should this project ever make a single cent, priority is to pay back stuff like repo hosting to deadmg or whatever else may ever occur
 
@ScarletAmaranth Sounds fair
 
agreed
 
Unless of course he claims he spent 1000s of dollars in it
 
5:10 PM
Ofc, not "i bought me 5 GPUs to run the game better" kind of nonsense
 
yeah, everybody already knows what I paid for it
 
Euh, @DeadMG I don't need a zillion emails telling me I got access to your fork now
 
Honestly, I don't think there are any scumbags among us who would try scamming the team but I'm just saying.
 
@TonyTheLion Yeah, I don't know why it sends those.
 
mmm, 6 new notifications
shiny
 
5:13 PM
so are we giving the robot access to this room?
 
@ScarletAmaranth Well I mean, apply liberally common sense, and I don't think that's an issue
 
cause he's always cool to have around
 
there's a disable notifications link you can click
@TonyTheLion Already did.
 
5:14 PM
ah ok
 
Seriously though, we know what IDE we're using?
 
IDE is whatever you want
the compiler is GCC 4.7
 
Did I get this wrong from the transcript or is there money involved or something? Don't take me wrong, I don't have anything against it, but I really don't want to be in it. I don't mind helping out like I usually do in general, but I don't want "business".
 
@DeadMG We're not defining an official IDE and letting others fend for themselves? Everyone fends for themselves?
 
@RMartinhoFernandes Eh. We're all in it for the experience/employability first. If money happens to be made, we split it- nothing more than that.
@Neil Define a good IDE for Linux, Mac, and Windows.
 
5:17 PM
@RMartinhoFernandes There's no business. Nobody has signed anything
It's everybody's word
@DeadMG Point taken.
 
@RMartinhoFernandes No business whatsoever, it has been brought up just in case.
 
@RMartinhoFernandes It's just sick fantasies.
 
Right.
 
@Neil Doesn't matter.
Build will be handled by the build system.
Formatting rules will be laid out, it's up to you to configure your editor properly.
 
Okay
 
5:19 PM
Screen #1.
Makes sense?
Shush.
 
@CatPlusPlus ty
 
@CatPlusPlus What font is the code in?
 
Oh, the + next to working dir rev number is always there, even with no changes.
@RMartinhoFernandes Courier New probably.
 
@RMartinhoFernandes Comic Sans, font size 40
 
Oh, no, Consolas.
 
user784668
5:21 PM
@RMartinhoFernandes Looks like Monaco to me. Definitely not Consolas.
 
Commit messages are CN.
Or DejaVu Sans Mono.
I should just check already.
 
user784668
Which is sad, because Consolas > *.
 
Huh, it's not set in the config.
If it was picked automatically, then most likely Consolas. Windows likes to cheat and present it as the best choice for generic 'monospaced' font.
Ookay, on to screen two.
 
user784668
@CatPlusPlus But it's certainly not Consolas.
 
5:23 PM
by the way
 
Why not?
 
Yeah, the is don't match Consolas.
 
I assume nothing funky like, defining all the stuff in terms of ranges?
 
Looks like Consolas.
 
Consolas is have a base to both sides, that one only goes right.
 
5:24 PM
Well, then I have no idea.
 
@RMartinhoFernandes That one has it to both sides in the commit message.
 
Bah, nevermind. Courier New is fugly (hint: has serifs).
 
Commit message is Courier New, I think.
 
user784668
@CatPlusPlus In Consolas, a looks very differently.
 
@RMartinhoFernandes Does there exist a monospaced font that isn't fugly?
 
5:26 PM
Courier New > Consolas
 
user784668
@Neil Consolas.
 
Ok, sorry for derailing your room into a font fight.
 
I like Dina
 
I don't think I'm helping.
 
@Fanael Good one, Fanael. ;)
 
5:26 PM
 
user784668
@Pubby Pixels, i see pixels. Can haz antialiased?
 
I like DejaVu Sans Mono.
 
@Pubby What a fugly function.
 
@Fanael AA is overrated
 
5:28 PM
can I define the String class in terms of ranges?
 
user784668
@DeadMG You mean something like LLVM's StringRef?
 
no, I mean like, a range as in an object which is a pair of iterators
 
That's what StringRef is, basically.
 
user784668
@DeadMG So exactly like StringRef.
 
I thought that was simply an optimization for string literals
 
user784668
5:31 PM
@DeadMG But yes, immutable ranges as strings are good.
 
Nah, it's for passing around substrings and shit.
 
ah
 
user784668
O(1) substr is good.
 
@Fanael Not possible for Unicode strings.
 
user784668
@DeadMG Possible if you care about code units, not code points and certainly not characters. But the point is not having to copy any characters.
 
5:34 PM
@DeadMG Well, substr with storage reuse is good anyway.
 
@Fanael For codepoints it's possible with a fixed-length encoding. Not sure how useful that is anyway.
 
@RMartinhoFernandes Must use UTF-16, unless we want to be converting all over the place.
 
user784668
@CatPlusPlus TortoiseHg tutorial for pussies?
 
user784668
5:36 PM
@DeadMG On non-Windows, UTF-16 will mean converting all over the place.
 
Fuck, this version control is too complex for me :D
 
@Fanael No, it will mean converting when calling OS APIs.
 
I'll need to make two test repos for merging.
Eh.
 
5:36 PM
but as ICU uses UTF-16, we can only manipulate the text in UTF-16.
 
@ScarletAmaranth It's easy.
 
@DeadMG Forbid surrogates! Screw Asians!
 
You can do it.
 
user784668
@DeadMG Ah right, you'll be using ICU.
 
@ScarletAmaranth hginit.com <-- Actually quite good
 
5:37 PM
What do we need Unicode for?
 
Hahah, it was a miracle i managed to get the sodding gcc ocmpiler wokring :P
 
@CatPlusPlus Well, unless you want to have the game be English only?
 
@DeadMG Who's going to translate it?
 
that's a pretty good point, actually
 
And when. :P
 
5:38 PM
could just go with ASCII then
 
user784668
@CatPlusPlus Nowhen :P
 
would certainly make life simple
 
What if I want a λ on my username?
 
Beside, we only need to render text, basically.
 
user784668
@RMartinhoFernandes Then screw you.
 
5:38 PM
Not process it.
 
fancy clan tags!
 
Unicode gets complicated when you want to render text
AFAIK there isn't a decent way in OpenGL to do it
 
@CatPlusPlus You need grapheme cluster iteration for Unicode UIs.
 
I can translate to German / Slovakian, but it's not what i want to spend my time on ...
 
We can store UTF-8 and just worry about text renderer doing the right thing.
And forget about silly things like RTL or vertical scripts.
Or we'll spend 90% of the time fighting with rendering stupid text.
 
5:40 PM
eh
IMO, if we're going to support Unicode, we may as well do it properly
there's no point storing UTF8 when we can't support it in our UI
 
well
i'd support only ASCII but hey, i guess that's a bad thing
 
@DeadMG Probably an easier path to internationalizatoin internally, even if the UI doesn't handle it right away
 
We could use that ugly GNU font that is trivial to render
 
We can begin by storing it, then render it. But at least we'll know that anytime we see text, we know it's in UTF-8.
 
right
are we going to write a validating UTF-8 string class?
 
5:41 PM
Btw, we should make some sort of constants / string constants norms and stuff like that ?
 
with codepoint iterators?
because I'm not really feeling the difference in effort between that, and just going full hog and calling ICU to do character iteration in UTF16.
 
Writing all this utf8 stuff seems pointless a this time
 
If input system can't produce invalid UTF-8, no need for validating it.
 
and iterators?
 
If they're needed to render text. I don't think we'll be doing anything fancy with it.
 
5:43 PM
Is that any good? utfcpp.sourceforge.net
 
Here's an idea: don't make anything that depends on text
 
I saw it a while ago. Never really looked into it too deeply.
 
RTS are more about numbers anyway
 
we don't really need text for much except in the UI
 
@Pubby People's names? Unit names? Chatting?
 
5:45 PM
Proper nouns don't need to be localized
 
@Pubby You still have to render them, and navigate in them.
 
It's a tradeoff. Either we invest effort now and have it easier in an international environment later, or we start simple and then put it in if it turns out to be needed.
 
sure
I'm just saying that there's little point in doing Unicode at all if we're not going to go whole hog
I'm fine with saying, let's just do ASCII only for now
 
I'm fine with either, really. Were just wondering.
 
As long as we have an easy way to swap encodings later on...
 
5:48 PM
well, as accurately pointed out, there's not actually that much code that will depend on it, only the UI realistically
so I think we can just std::string ASCII-only for now, and worry about it later
 
If we use a 8*16 fixed width bitmap font then that would allow very easy switching to GNU's font
 
@DeadMG If we switch to UTF-8, we can keep using std::string, right?
 
Hold on, hold on
std::string for asci is ok then ?
 
@EtiennedeMartel Well, we could, but it would be a mess. No validation, no codepoint iteration- etc.
and the compiler would not protect you from something stupid, like str[some_random_index] = 0xFF;
 
@DeadMG Hence... this!
 
5:50 PM
...
 
I'm kidding.
 
lol
 
I like the blank stare followed by "oh, it's a joke? Ok, it was funny, then."
 
Yeah, might as well just do a typedef first. Then we might swap that for an actual UTF-8 string class later.
 
wait a minute then
So we're doing ascii first and then we will try to magically make it work
for utf8
 
5:52 PM
You don't need text manipulation.
 
All we need is storing and printing really
Maybe some random name generating (?)
 
Your rendering API takes a stream of bytes and interprets it. So, there's no big issue as long as storage and printing agree on interpretation.
 
@RMartinhoFernandes You do for GUI.
I've explained this to you like four times already :P
 
Oh.
Yeah, you have.
 
Slowbot.
 
5:54 PM
Carry on.
 
Sync.
Also, in settings, set "Auto-resolve merges" to True, it'll do the right thing most of the time, and if it can't, it'll prompt for manual action.
 
@CatPlusPlus And if it doesn't (never happens, for certain values of never), it will be the dev's fault, not hg's.
 
Oh, silly me, I don't have to make two repos for merging.
I even have one test repo for that.
 
@CatPlusPlus Where is dat ?
 
5:57 PM
@ScarletAmaranth What?
Link to messages. :P
 
Dat sodding True auto resolve shit :D
 
File > Settings > TortoiseHg.
 
ty
btw, I will probably do some changes and then ask someone how to up it to repo :D
 
DeadMG figured it out, so can you.
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Or ill accidentaly delete all our repos :D
 
6:01 PM
Don't push 'delete' on anyone's repos and won't happen.
I'm thinking there should be less admin rights on that team account, but whatever.
 
I only gave other people write access to my fork
 
So, there'll be more screens and less on-screen text for this.
So pay attention.
 
So, hold on
now that i have the sodding clone, I can just say sync in Tortoise and it's gonna automagically get all the shit for me ?
 
It'll pull from your clone by default.
You'll need to add a target for master repo, too.
And any others you're going to pull from, which might happen, or it might not.
 
o_O
so complicated man
:D
 
6:05 PM
Basically, in that field, change clounge/your-clone to clounge/the-game and press save.
Name it 'master' and done.
 
@CatPlusPlus lol
 
Whenever I look at that repo, I lose. This is annoying.
 
I probably don't have a fork yet.
I just have the repo cloned.
 
Go on the BB page of master and press 'fork'. Then select 'clounge' as a target account, and call it differently.
@EtiennedeMartel Wut.
Oh.
It's silly.
 
And should I check any of the checkboxes there ^^?
 
6:09 PM
Uncheck issues, we'll keep them on master only.
 
unchecked issues, forking the fuck out of it
You're over your plan limit. Committers have read only access.
wtf ?
 
You've cloned to your own account instead of team one.
 
@ScarletAmaranth It means you created it under your own account instead of the team account.
 
Where I told you not to do that.
Tsk tsk.
 
6:10 PM
I've never been good with forks.
^^
 
lol, the puppy is no longer the noobest VCS user.
 
well, no
i selected "owner : clounge"
 
If you did, we'd see it on clounge's page and you wouldn't get the notification.
 
It says: "Fork clounge/the-game and i set owner to : clounge".
 
Oh gods this team thing generates so many emails.
> Hi, I forked The game. My fork is at bitbucket.org/ScarletAmaranth/my-trident.
 
6:12 PM
Should I give you all write access?
 
Read. I don't know if I should change it with so many emails.
Oh hell.
We'll learn how to filter inboxes by the way.
 
Oh, My Trident has been generated!
 
@CatPlusPlus There's a link at the bottom which says "unsubscribe". Click it.
 
NICE :D
 
I want email notifications. :P
 
6:15 PM
Can you see my trident or it's just me ?
(i have no clue how that works)
 
Yes.
I'll generate a public SSH key for Buildbot while I'm at repo management. You'll need to add it to your repos' "deployment keys" on admin page.
 
hmmm
 
So now that I have my own utensil, how do I change is to that i can pull the changes from the game again ?
 
for GUI interface, setter for position/size, or simply lay out again every frame?
laying out again every frame seems kinda nasty, since the position variable would be effectively lying
 
Also, I've enabled wiki on master.
 
6:25 PM
Kk, soo, to make it sync, can i set the target "checkbox" and type clounge/the-game ?
 
What checkbox?
Oh, no, not that.
 
Well, it says scarlet.../clounge ... but I can't realyl change it there, it's just a display.
 
You have [save icon] [protocol] [user] @ [host] : [port] / [path] there. I circled it on the screen.
Without user.
That target next to checkbox is a branch choice, you can ignore it for now.
 
so theres user ... host ... port ... " clounge/the-game " but " clounge/the-game " was in there by default
 
designing a GUI interface is hard work
 
6:28 PM
Then it's not a clone of your fork. Change the alias name on it to 'master' and then add your fork as 'default'.
 
@DeadMG I've designed some for android, I may give it a try.
 
@ScarletAmaranth Not talking about the actual graphical part. I mean just the API.
 
@DeadMG Oh, k
 
no matter what you do, you either vastly overcomplicate things or you violate lots of encapsulation
 
Browsers hate me. Well, copy the public key from wiki to deployment keys. It'll be useful later.
 
6:29 PM
or both
 
Label it 'Buildbot' or something.
 
@CatPlusPlus So now I have : Alias -> default Link -> bitbucket.org/clounge/the-game
and Alias -> Master Link -> scarlet.../clounge/the-game
 
Right click, change alias to 'master'.
 
yeah i've done that on the default one
renamed default to master and added a new "default"
dat should work now ?
 
That master one is screwed up.
 
6:31 PM
Alias default is now associated with: "https://bitbucket.org/clounge/the-game"
 
Default one, too.
Add:
'default' pointing to https://bitbucket.org/clounge/my-trident
'master' pointing to https://bitbucket.org/clounge/the-game
 
thanks!
 
Well, https or SSH, whatever you want to use.
 
damnit too much bitbucket email
 
@TonyTheLion Unsubscribe- every email has a link at the bottom
 
6:34 PM
SSH FTW.
 
@CatPlusPlus Kk, set it up to bitbucket.org/clounge/the-game for (master) and bitbucket.org/clounge/my-trident for (default), dat finally gud :D ?
 
The volume will decrease after we set everything up.
@ScarletAmaranth Yes.
Default is your fork, master is master repo.
 
Pull from master, push to fork.
 
So, I just received 25 emails from Bitbucket in eight minutes.
 
2 mins ago, by Cat Plus Plus
The volume will decrease after we set everything up.
 
6:37 PM
I am probably more of a noob than Scarlet, how do I get past "You do not have access to this repository."?
 
I'm glad I didn't sign up for spam.
@Pubby Unless you have access, you don't.
 
@CatPlusPlus :)
 
@RMartinhoFernandes Do I need access? :S
 
@Pubby Thanks for using me as a noob reference :P
@CatPlusPlus Thanks btw for help ;)
 
I'm making a simple merging tutorial, I want to setup basic Buildbot infrastructure first, before I forget about it.
 
6:39 PM
Is there some way to set my password for Hg so that I don't need to enter it every time I push or pull or clone?
 
@RadekSlupik SSH.
 
I added .DS_Store, Desktop.ini and Thumbs.db to .hgignore.
@RMartinhoFernandes I'll look it up, thanks.
 
Oh gods Windows started to kill processes.
Stupid RAM.
There's a way to set a password for HTTPS, but it was clunky and I don't remember. Google hgrc.
 
so I first have to create a new repo on my own bitbucket account?
 
If I fork it I still don't have write access. WTF
 
6:48 PM
On team account.
Unless you have an unlimited or paid account, you'll go over your plan if you fork onto personal one.
 
How do I rename a remote in Hg?
 
@RadekSlupik Wrong account.
 
Fuck.
 
When you fork the repo, select clounge as the user.
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Also name it descriptively.
 
Bitbucket is damn unnavigatable.
 
6:49 PM
@CatPlusPlus Is My Trident descriptive enough ?
 
Well, as long as it's unique enough. "X's fork" is better.
 
How do i rename it ?
 
On admin page.
 
that wouldnt be a good idea actually, i would mess something up now wouldnt i ?
 
I named mine "Anthax" because I like deadly diseases.
 
6:52 PM
Im gonna try to add description to it if i find it.
 
K, I create a pull-request.
I finally get how it works. :P
 
You're going to drive the cat crazy.
 
lols
 
If I want to pull from the "master" (the-game) now, what username and password does it want me to enter ?
 
At least they're learning. :P
Always your own.
 
6:55 PM
Which reminds me, I need to add Hg support to Hexapoda.
 
Reminds.
 
damn
 
@RMartinhoFernandes He's already crazy.
 
I've forked a repo for me
 
6:56 PM
It said: "Pull from bitbucket.org/clounge/the-game completed" and nothing happened :D Does it mean no changes have been made since the last pull which was just a clone ?
 
but I guess I gotta invite friends now?
 
Yes, no changes.
 
@ScarletAmaranth Only the .hgignore file has been added.
I don't have to read all those emails right? I can just move them to my "Software development" mailbox?
 
@RadekSlupik yeah i got that one sicne i cloned it
 
Use incoming instead of pull and you'll see changes before they're pulled.
 
6:57 PM
How can I invite people to my fork ?
 
You don't.
 
You work on your own fork, push the changes and then create a pull request to master.
Don't push to master directly.
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What should I push to then ?
 
Your changes.
Work like this:
 
@ScarletAmaranth You push to your fork.
 
6:58 PM
Ooh, so when i select default, I always push to it basically, and then i click on the master and pull from it ?
oooo, cloning my own utensil ? how would i go about doing that ?
 

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