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2:42 PM
Frist11
 
harr harr
 
user784668
Third.
 
I can has.
 
Bacon EVERYWHERE!
 
so did we decide on any source control alternatives?
 
2:42 PM
Alright. Do we make this a gallery or...?
 
that works for me
 
I was gonna try do the thingy, but then I'd have to pay VAT on top of the 10 USD a month
 
Sort the permissions out, I gotta go.
 
Später Cat.
 
2:43 PM
room mode changed to Gallery: anyone may enter, but only approved users can talk
 
@TonyTheLion I can set up something to get us going at least -- it's easy to switch down the road if we're using hg and find something better
 
and now sehe comes in here?
 
@TonyTheLion I'd pay, but Bitbucket won't even let me :P
 
2:44 PM
So, wait, sehe's part of the team now?
 
user784668
@EtiennedeMartel Nope.
 
@TonyTheLion he misses us
 
not as far as I know
 
sehe likes to observe. His species does that.
 
obviously he can be if he wants to
 
@DeadMG yea you're not required to give A VAT number, but you will have to pay VAT if you don't
 
user784668
@DeadMG I want to!
 
Can't @sehe host a repo on his Mumble server? Not sure if that works though, or if he wants to do that.
 
@TonyTheLion No, it wouldn't let me register at all without a VAT number.
 
2:45 PM
@DeadMG VAT numbers suck dick
 
Everything that has to do with redtape sucks dick.
 
Wrap everything in bacon!
 
@TonyTheLion Agree. I wouldn't mind paying VAT at all, but wouldn't let me.
 
@DomagojPandža Depends on what "redtape" is an alias for ;0
 
@RadekSlupik I can host an hg server on mine, I can do it tonight when I get home
 
2:46 PM
And who the fuck at Bitbucket thought this is a good idea to limit +5 teams into the zone of companies?
 
@Collin That sounds doable. When do you get home?
 
They live off fucking open projects.
 
@DeadMG Would be sometime around 2300 UTC before I'd have a chance to do it
 
I don't know what OSS hosting is, but I don't see any of these limitations at code.google
 
@Neil It means you can only host FOSS projects.
 
2:47 PM
I'm in Mass.. can people hit collinhockey.com?
 
plus, afaik, they do not support DVCS, which means that both Hg and git are gone.
 
My work doesn't trust the DNS I use
 
@Collin Yes. Fedora test page.
 
@Collin "Fedora Test Page"
 
@DeadMG It doesn't support git? You sure?
 
2:48 PM
cool
 
Same here.
 
@Neil Last I checked, it was Subversion only.
 
so WHO THE FUCK HAS A VAT NUMBER?
 
my apache config is apparently broken, but as long as you can do the dns lookup that's fine
 
2:49 PM
this room filled up quickly
 
Who the fuck defines things as "VAT numbers" in the first fucking place.
 
@DeadMG Google Code supports Hg and Git as well, I think.
But we don't do open source, so...
 
@Neil I supports Git, SVN and Hg.
 
And I don't want some entitled off-the-team cunt potentially writing shitty C code all over my renderer.
 
@DomagojPandža normally you get one when you start a company
 
@Neil OSS = Open source software
 
@DomagojPandža agreed
 
it's a thing in the UK
 
EU, actually
 
but we can't use Google Code because they only support OSS projects.
 
2:51 PM
It's sort of a tax ID, I might have something like that attached in my company's data. But I doubt it would be really smart to use it here.
 
and when you have one, you don't pay VAT between companies
 
@TonyTheLion Same principle.
 
well we can always delete the code or move it
We're not stuck with an OSS license
 
with this talk about open source and what not, has the inevitable 'money' talk come around?
 
tough to do that after someone else has already pulled the repo
 
2:52 PM
@DeadMG You think someone's going to steal the code? Seriously?
 
@Neil It's hardly stealing if you put it on a goddamn OSS website.
 
@DeadMG Borrow then, whatever.
 
Host for free and encrypt the code with AES-256.
 
@thecoshman I actually think that would be less problematic than expected. The investment by team members is mostly time- and we have mostly aligning views on the goodness of things like Steam, Indie Bundles, and whatnot.
 
Would be nice to have some sort of agreement like, any money that comes from this will be split
 
2:53 PM
the only problems I foresee would be things like if some members feel they have put in more effort than others and deserve more, if the project goes commercial
 
Though if I were doing this for money, I wouldn't be doing it
 
I have no problem with this game being free to play; I just don't really like the idea of open sourcing the code.
 
I was thinking more about the earning of money. I honestly would rather see this be a non-earner then have to put up with all the in fighting over how much people have earnt
 
@DeadMG We have version control for that. You can exactly see who did the most effort.
 
@EtiennedeMartel I personally would look at something like Indie Bundle or Steam.
@RadekSlupik Very true.
 
2:54 PM
@DeadMG Me too.
 
@thecoshman I agree, but DeadMG seems to think we could turn a profit
Which forces it to be on the table for discussion
 
Also, the guys here are not cunts. I am mostly here for the pleasure of working on a project with like-minded people. And honestly, I have a company, a place to sleep, food, nice computers and a nice car. I'm here to help. We'll talk about money if and when it comes.
 
well, since we invest nothing but our own time, it wouldn't take many sales to make a profit :P
 
But honestly, I don't care if you want money for that. As long as I can show off the project to potential employers, I'm good.
 
Oh we could turn a profit I am sure, but the problem is, how would it be split?
 
2:55 PM
well, we'll just default to an equal share for all participants
 
I think we could go mad deciding this, or we could say the magic word "split"
 
I rather settle for a peaceful, any money some one puts in is paid back. any thing left over is to charity
 
It's also possibru to make the game open source, but ask $$$ for server hosting or additional features, weapons, ships, etc.
 
with maybe some revisions if some team members put in significantly more than others
 
We have to decide right now, otherwise people might get mad later on.
 
2:56 PM
Equal share is fine by me unless someone later on decides that he wrote more code or did something more and would be feeling entitled for more ...
 
Money has the wonderful tendency to pour piss in a team's chemistry.
 
I think we'd get a lot more money putting it out there for free with a paypal donation button in-game
 
@Neil Or freemium.
 
@EtiennedeMartel indeed, people say they are ok with sorting out money later, but lets say this is worth millions, it will be a serious fight then
 
2:56 PM
"Pay to get new skins!"
 
59 secs ago, by Radek Slupik
It's also possibru to make the game open source, but ask $$$ for server hosting or additional features, weapons, ships, etc.
 
@thecoshman If it's worth millions, you won't need a big share for it to be worth doing.
 
@EtiennedeMartel That's a good model really :)
 
@thecoshman Not a horrible idae
 
It's a very good model. It pays my bills.
 
2:57 PM
Guys, know this now, it won't make millions
 
I am all for equal distribution, but I have one intersting question: what if someone writes 5 lines of code?
 
@DeadMG money will make it a big deal
 
For me, it's worth doing even for free, I have never really worked on a medium / large projects, so whatever experience is fine.
 
I know we're enthusiastic about this, but think of this as an experience more than a money venture
 
so
 
2:57 PM
@Neil it would be stupid to not think that it could
 
I am here for the game. For the fun. And pure awesomeness.
Anything else happens, nice. If not, also nice.
 
we agree, then, that experience/fun/etc is the primary goal
and if we get lucky and it does turn a significant profit, we split it equally
 
Also, I don't think amount of code you write can really tell how much you helped the project.
 
@DomagojPandža For fear of what this discussion could turn into with that kind of logic, that's why I say split
 
(It's one of the factors OBVIOUSLY)
 
2:58 PM
@DeadMG no, I would rather investment is repaid and profit is to charity
 
We're currently working on a super secret black project, please don't disturb.
 
write code first, then you can think about the money later. I'm here to have fun and learn :)
 
If someone doesn't contribute, oh well. If this were a business, you'd be fired, but we're all working for free
 
And if you crazy mofos find a way to commercialize it - one important point: Copyright infringement, bitches.
 
@thecoshman You can pay your share to charity?
 
2:59 PM
All I'm saying: thread carefully.
Hah, thread. :Đ
 
@DomagojPandža Well, that too
 
@DomagojPandža lol
torrents all the way!
 
@DomagojPandža GG OP no re.
 
If I get enough money to be able to go to the pub for a few beers, I'm happy
 

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