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17:00
@JerryCoffin I used to be that kid, and I don't look like a douchebag. Err... At least no one tells me I look like a douchebag.
@ThePhD So, how's it going?
On the starboard, does the weight of the time factor increase in an exponential manner?
Star count has exponential weight. Dunno about age.
@Borgleader TIME actually considered picking Assange as "Man of the Year", but settled for Zuckerberg instead.
@Drise ...and yet he's wearing those "glasses"
17:02
Many people, me included, saw that as a classic case of Standard Corporate Lack Of Balls (SCLOB).
@Drise Perhaps a better analogy would be that Zuckerberg is the towel/water boy for the football team, who thinks it makes him cool and doesn't realize the team (and the whole school) is laughing at him behind his back. A nerd who realizes he's a nerd isn't nearly as bad as one who thinks he's a "cool kid".
I was wondering why facebook was broken on Firefox for the last few days... apparently it's AdBlockPlus' fault
@Borgleader Yea, sites are starting to bitch or make it a pain for ABP users
@Borgleader or rather facebook's fault for looking like a malicious ad? :3
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@Borgleader When in doubt, blame Firefox.
17:06
If it doesn't work with ABP it's not worth using
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Only one sane option left. Switch to Google+!
WTF is this Facebook home shit anyway?
Go outside and have friends there
Google+..ehh..I'll wait for Google++
@EtiennedeMartel I find it much easier to blame FB (whether they could be the culprit or not).
@EtiennedeMartel When in fear, when in doubt: run in circles; scream and shout.
whats the point of writing a shell that doesnt have ls or cd?
talk about useless
@Drise Does it have dir? :)
@FredOverflow Is that the dog version of teabagging?
17:12
Does anybody here use an Xbox controller that they have used for computer games?
@Drise Probably needs cd, but ls should be fine as an external program. Then again, assignments aren't generally intended to produce useful programs.
@Borgleader Never heard of teabagging before.
@Pawnguy7 There is a special PC version of XBox controllers.
@EtiennedeMartel Let me guess, only sequels, no new IP?
@Pawnguy7 You can use XInput to interact with XBox 360 controllers on Windows.
@Borgleader ...
17:14
@Borgleader Exactly.
Anyway, their last original IP was Pikmin in 2001.
@FredOverflow It originates from Halo Multiplayer btw
I heard they show as joysticks, so I was curious if it were possible to controll them using normal joystick controls.
@EtiennedeMartel pikmin was fun
So, until Miyamoto decides to create something new, they'll keep rehashing their stuff.
Unfortuately, I have neither a joystick or controller, so I would not be able to test.
17:15
@EtiennedeMartel I'm so disappointed by Nintendo. They have so really creative people they just don't use them...
@Pawnguy7 Use XInput.
Can I make a Lua/C++ polyglot using a combination of #, C++ comments and Lua comments?
@Borgleader And that's why the last Nintendo console I owned by the GameCube.
Mine was the N64
Does that mean you never played Metroid Prime?
user142019
17:16
@LucDanton Probably.
@EtiennedeMartel I played the multiplayer, all my friends had gamecubes
i got an xbox
@EtiennedeMartel I will try that. Is there any way I could test this without a controller, though?
user142019
I once wrote a C and Objective-C polyglot! Har har har.
@Pawnguy7 You want to know if you can test input from a Xbox 360 controller without a Xbox 360 controller?
Yes. Kind of long story.
17:17
Do you sometimes stop and ask yourself a question before you ask it to others?
I don't think it is entirely non valid.
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@Zoidberg I don't think you can write a polyglot :3
It's like saying "Can I drive a car without a car?"
@BartekBanachewicz so you guys are using GCC 4.6?
user142019
@Ell why not
17:18
You can simulate driving a car :D
Sure, but it won't be testing.
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@Zoidberg I though a polyglot was somebody who knew multiple languages?
We're talking about input methods here.
user142019
@Ell Yes.
Well you can test if your input stuff is working
17:18
You can't test an input method without said input method.
@CatPlusPlus You mean, you can test if you can read inputs from a controller that doesn't exist?
You can't really test whether it works good
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@Zoidberg How do you write a person
@EtiennedeMartel If you emulate it, sure
user142019
@Ell A polyglot is also a program that can be run with different implementations of different languages and gives the same results.
Ell
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Right
17:19
But you still need to test with a real thing at some point
@CatPlusPlus Oh, you mean, with a keyboard?
Mmh, I thought PiL covered something like that. I must have imagined it.
Then it's not really testing controller support, now is it?
It's just testing input.
It's testing input processing I guess
Which isn't what this is about.
17:20
Well, it goes sort of like this. An aquantence is working on a robot, of which desirable behavior is being controlled via an xbox controller through a laptop. I do not have the controller.
Speaking of 360 controllers, why are they so expensive
@Pawnguy7 Then start with a keyboard, and when you get a proper controller, implement controller support.
@CatPlusPlus Because they're good?
Or you can build a controller :v:
@EtiennedeMartel What would I test with the keyboard?
(Seriously)
17:21
@JerryCoffin hard to test things like cat and cp without ls or cd or proper filename handling
user142019
Xbox 360 controllers are free.
@EtiennedeMartel But 50€ good? :<
user142019
If you call Microsoft and tell them your controller is broken, you get a new one for free. :v
@Pawnguy7 The behavior?
Aren't all console controllers relatively equal in price?
user142019
17:21
You don't even have to send them the old one.
@EtiennedeMartel I think that largely misses the point. Nintendo is mostly popular with pre-teen to early teens kids. The fact that the same (or very similar) title may have been available for 20+ years is mostly irrelevant. Kids buy it/them, enjoy them, and eventually out-grow them -- but there are more 8 year-olds (or whatever exact age) all the time, and Nintendo continues to serve them decently (and the other consoles don't nearly as well).
@CatPlusPlus At this point in time, at the end of a generation, no.
user142019
Anyway DualShock 3 owns Xbox 360 controller in the ass.
Well that's how much a wireless one costs
@JerryCoffin I think they're also incredibly popular with young adults, through the magical power of nostalgia.
17:22
Wired was bit cheaper but also unavailable
@Drise Develop an ls and test it under a different shell, then use it with this one.
@Zoidberg In what sense? Ergonomy?
Sorry, but no. Unless your hands are weirdly shaped.
user142019
@EtiennedeMartel IMO yes.
Which wouldn't surprised me, since you're a lobster after all.
user142019
Xbox 360 controller is huge.
user142019
17:23
Like Xbox power adaptor.
@Zoidberg You're thinking about the old Xbox controller.
user142019
No.
Oh, wait. Do you have small dainty hands?
@EtiennedeMartel Probably -- same basic argument still applies though.
user142019
17:24
Hands made for the ladies, I mean.
@EtiennedeMartel I don't have the robot.
I want to buy Dark Souls but the keyboard controls look awful
@Pawnguy7 Then what do you have?
@EtiennedeMartel Broken dreams
I don't like that I have to hold a PS3 controller by the edges like it's a delicate flower or something.
17:25
Nothing, really.
And, disclaimer: I'm a PS3 owner. It was my main gaming platform from 2009 to 2012.
I played hundreds of hours with those crap controllers.
They're not bad, they're simply the exact same thing as the first PS1 controller, and that was designed at a time where ergonomy wasn't considered important for game controllers.
I hate that on the internet you're assumed to be a fanboy until proven otherwise... So many of them out there
@Borgleader You can always safely assume that @Bartek is a fanboy.
@ScottW Your fanboy status is stored in a BOOL?
Seriously, though, "true fanboyism" is akin to a religion.
^ This
@EtiennedeMartel Is it really the ergonomy wasn't considered, or that they were designed for smaller hands? I think at that time, adults simply weren't considered part of the market (and at the time, that was probably even fairly accurate).
17:29
@JerryCoffin That might be it, actually.
I don't remember the last time I heard fanboy in a sentence not also containing COD. Not sure why the focus is on that series, but it is.
But there's no doubt that they're lugging a lot of legacy around.
@Pawnguy7 There are possibly more Nintendo fanboys than CoD zombies
A true fanboy is someone who takes personnal something that was said against something he likes.
17:31
As such, a fanboy considers a product to be a part of himself.
@EtiennedeMartel Can't argue that. The surprise (to me) is that there don't seem to be third parties creating alternatives.
Obviously I'm going to use that in tests.
I knew a guy who would get really angry when I criticized Microsoft, as if I just insulted him.
@EtiennedeMartel You criticized Microsoft? WHAT THE FUCK IS YOUR PROBLEM!%!%
@LucDanton Tests of what? Insanity?
17:32
@JerryCoffin You mock me now but you'll see!!!!!!!!
Likely. Speaking of Nintendo, the Wii was a bit of a dissapointment, in a few cases. Like... good idea, but at least make not everything pointing only. I cannot think of how many times I was thinking, "why did they not make the arrows work for this"? Tisk. That is why the Mario Kart menu is my favorite: it is point free.
@LucDanton I mock no one -- I'm honestly curious. Really! :-)
I just realized that if you replace "Microsoft" with "OpenGL" in my previous sentence, you get @Bartek.
(HAR HAR HAR)
@JerryCoffin I'm testing loading some Lua, so the test cases loads itself.
Hey, @Luc you run Ubuntu, right? Can you check for me what flag to pass to add-apt-repository for non-interactiveness?
17:35
@R.MartinhoFernandes Apparently there's --yes. Not much else really. Anything more specific you're looking for?
Nah, just skipping the "press Enter or C-C" prompt.
@Pawnguy7 The Wii's main problem is that there was not enough good games on it.
In fact, the Wii had the exact same problem as the GameCube, and the N64 before it: the only good games were first parties.
Nintendo does not give a shit about third party developers.
And it's killing them
I guess --yes is the 'by the book' version of piping yes in then :)
Fairly valid observation.
17:36
The Wii worked for them because they sold insane amounts of them, but it probably won't be the case with the Wii U
@LucDanton Is it valid for apt-get as well?
and so far all they have are either first party games or rehashed "last gen" games
       Automatic yes to prompts; assume "yes" as answer to all prompts and
       run non-interactively. If an undesirable situation, such as
       changing a held package, trying to install a unauthenticated
       package or removing an essential package occurs then apt-get will
       abort.
@R.MartinhoFernandes ^ entry thereof
Speaking of the Wii... how did the Kinect sell? to be honest, I think it is like.. the new Wii. Fun to have the new concept at first, but then you realize you cannot do that many games using it.
17:37
@Borgleader The Wii U is a gen 7 platform, just like the Wii was gen 6.
They're a bit late.
Now I need to wait 15 minutes for the current build to timeout...
@EtiennedeMartel Hence the quotes around last gen.
@Pawnguy7 Like hot cakes according to Micheal Pachter.
@Pawnguy7 Great hardware, with games made by crappy developers.
You can use --assume-yes for complete sesquipedalian mode.
Is there a way to get cin to react to blank lines?
17:39
I like the Kinect for all the non-game things you can do with it like Robots and motion capture
Do you have a PPA for GCC 4.8?
yea I love you too @Etienne
@R.MartinhoFernandes no, we use Clang 3.2. 4.6 is a tad too old
@BartekBanachewicz <3
Also I am ordering Nexus 4
@R.MartinhoFernandes No, I pull gcc-snapshot from Debian unstable. The result is not as bad as it sounds.
17:40
so here it goes for fanboyism
I found an xb360 emaluator, but none of the alternative input devices are in my possession.
Oh wait, that's not what you want. No idea where 4.8 is available, sorry.
@BartekBanachewicz I'm worried now!
@JerryCoffin why? I think I'll be happy with it. If no, I will constantly complain here, and you will be able to troll me. Either way, victory
@EtiennedeMartel The most amazing thing about Microsoft. A lot of their software turns out shitty, but (except RROD issues I guess) their hardware has been amazing.
17:41
I just thought I earned birthday present a lil bit earlier
@BartekBanachewicz Oh.
@BartekBanachewicz I can flame with the best of them on occasion, but I'm afraid I wasn't cut out to be a troll.
@R.MartinhoFernandes doesn't ogonek compile under 3.2?
I cannot use clang until I twist my code so it accepts it.
@R.MartinhoFernandes gcc is surprisingly easy to build
17:42
@BartekBanachewicz Nope, 3.2 has broken SFINAE.
@Collin Microsoft's strength has always been their SDKs anyway.
@R.MartinhoFernandes When/if you find 4.8, I may be interested.
@R.MartinhoFernandes I guess compiling gcc from sources every time would take too long. Maybe there's a way to hack that ubuntu into getting 4.8, tho
@EtiennedeMartel My microsoft mouse, my sidewinder joystick, the original xbox, xbox controllers, all amazing
If not, hm, I think that politely asking travis team for upgrade is the only thing we can do
17:43
which ubuntu is travis running?
@BartekBanachewicz I can use 4.7.
@Collin Right, those as well.
@R.MartinhoFernandes I thought that had 4.7 already.
@EtiennedeMartel I'm sure everyone will praise their always online NextBox SDK :P
17:44
@R.MartinhoFernandes nope. what's it do?
@bamboon Oh wait 12.04.
@Borgleader The devs will. The users will eventually shut up after a few months of angry redditing.
Or just not buy the damn console
@sehe read on...?
@Borgleader And say no to Halo 5?
I'm not saying no one will buy it, I'm saying they might get significantly lower sales than expected
the Halo zealots will buy it
@R.MartinhoFernandes well, I was gonna. But you asked ... "did I mention". I thought I'd reply :)
@bamboon Oooh, thanks.
I don't really get Reddit.
@R.MartinhoFernandes I always do that anyway (git clone ....)
@Pawnguy7 Geddit?
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17:47
@bamboon That looks nice.
@Pawnguy7 What's not to get?
I don't understand its purpose.
@Pawnguy7 Then you're not a redditor?
It's a social news site
@Pawnguy7 Fomenting arguments and flaming. Oh, and page views. But those are nearly synonymous.
17:48
@Collin I hardly call kittys "news"
@EtiennedeMartel Correct.
@LucDanton well it is. I used it quite a while ago, but back then it worked perfectly.
@Borgleader You can get news from it if you don't go to the kitty subreddits
Then again i mostly go to /r/funny because fuck the news its always depressing
then you get funny news about cats!
17:50
I only hang out on /r/mylittlepony. Is that bad?
CAT IN NEW HILLARIOUS POSITION -- DETAILS AT 10
using bitboard = std::bitset<64>; //why the eff does this not work in msvc?
int main() { //the equivalent typedef works fine...
    bitboard board;
}
Going to take a wild stab but that C++11 feature may not be supported.
^ That
17:50
@melak47 typedef std::bitset<64> bitboard;
msvc doesn't support using x = ..., right?
@Collin it does. partially. is it because of the template parameter? :/
@EtiennedeMartel reddit.com/r/TreesSuckingAtThings is da bst rddit of all da rddits
jus sy'n
god it's harder to type like that than it is to type normal. how to these msn kids do it now-a-days?
@melak47 It probably doesn't
@rlemon they dont, msn is dead
17:52
really? now I feel old :(
@bamboon If I install the gcc-4.8 package, do I invoke g++ or g++-4.8?
is it all facebook now?
@R.MartinhoFernandes --version
@R.MartinhoFernandes I think it is gcc-4.8
I hear myspace is trying to make a comeback?
17:52
@rlemon myspace is gone?
@EtiennedeMartel Probably
@LucDanton It is rejecting -std=c++11 so it's a safe bet the one running is 4.6.
@CatPlusPlus Alright.
@rlemon It's called Skype now ever since microsoft bought it last year orso
@R.MartinhoFernandes I'm suggesting you use that to tell which is which.
Then it's not a bet anymore.
17:54
@EtiennedeMartel I mean redditors. And ponies. Bad combination
@LucDanton ls -l `which g++`
@LucDanton Ah sure, but I don't have shell access to the machine, so it's a bit annoying to push a build script for g++ --version :|
damn, I still use Twitter for most things... I think i've used Skype maybe once?
Skype is old
@R.MartinhoFernandes Assembling the pieces, I'd say you're setting up some CI here (well I've been suspecting as much ever since I noticed you were asking about 4.8). Yeah, that makes sense then.
17:55
And likes to not work properly
And hog ports it shouldn't
My favourite Skype-related thing was when it was trying to update itself
@R.MartinhoFernandes have a VM handy to test it locally first?
@CatPlusPlus Never had any issue with it.
It went "Improving your Skype experience" and then died and refused to be installed again :laugh:
I'm serious, you really project some sort of field around you that causes shit to not work properly.
You are a walking techbane.
@bamboon Not with Ubuntu, no. If I don't get it running before dinner I will try that after.
17:57
@EtiennedeMartel I've seen lost messages, messages not sending despite being connected
My favorite Skype related thing was when I opened MSN and I got a popup message "Upgrade to Skype"
I wouldn't call migrating from one app to another an upgrade
I was considering trying to pitch XMPP instead of Skype at work for increased reliability and security but eh
$ export CXX="g++-4.8"
$ export CXX=g++
$ export CC=gcc
17:58
@EtiennedeMartel LOL
awesome
@rlemon Yeah, Penny Arcade is cool.
@EtiennedeMartel Or you just don't pay enough attention
@CatPlusPlus To be fair, I exclusively use Skype to talk with people.
@EtiennedeMartel Harry Dresden is a walking techbane
@Borgleader but you gotta sell it somehow :p
17:59
Most notably during StarCraft 2 sessions with my friends.
Ok. I have just became a proud owner of Robophone
what's that, a robocop app for your smart phone?

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