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2:00 AM
Also the posters in AC weren't 5m tall hologram billboards :v:
 
@CatPlusPlus well i hope they werent holograms :P kinda breaks the whole medieval thing doesnt it
 
I'm going to try installing KotoR on my supercomputer one more time. :(
 
Also this remixing sequence looks like prescripted trial and error flavour thing than anything of substance
 
@DomagojPandža Is it standalone or steam? Because I got my copy on steam and it works on both my desktop and laptop (both running windows 7)
 
Wait, what
 
2:02 AM
@Borgleader Standalone. I preserved all of my discs from teh past.
The problem is that it doesn't support widescreen displays (16:9 to be specific).
And goes batshit crazy on them.
 
What
What the fuck is happening here
 
No, but I've been playing it on a 4:3 resolution and it was fine, a little stretched but fine. Also, I think there's a patch out there for that
Either I have this Benjamin dude plonked or this fibertech guy is having a one way conversation
 
Our collective heart bleeds for you
Now get out
 
Oh fuck me, hes a startard too
 
Do we have 6 people?
Can we ban him?
 
2:05 AM
What?
Yes, please.
 
@CatPlusPlus lmao
 
I'm here
 
Aw man. You removed my star on your message.
That was a legitimate star.
 
I don't know whose stars are what
 
The one I just replied to
:(
 
2:07 AM
It's fascinating how Lounge can move from chill to retard in 1 minute.
 
@DomagojPandža: do you have any singletons in your engine? (this is a controversial topic, so just wink once for yes, wink twice for no).
 
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cat strikes again
 
@Borgleader Nope, I am one of those who are ferociously against them. And not like anti-homo politicians who fuck men.
 
Ah cool, I was planning on not having any. I wanted to know if it was actually doable or a futile quest
 
2:08 AM
No one needs singletons.
 
user1357851
at first I thought the frog was fat, then I realised it was just big hollow mouthed
 
So nobody played Dark Souls for PC? :(
 
@CatPlusPlus Isn't that the game which is notoriously difficult?
 
[Graphics Options]
Disable Vertex Buffer Objects=1
 
2:11 AM
@CatPlusPlus Day9 has (Part1, Part2) and a few friends of mine have as well
 
I'm lame you guys.
 
What I want to know if the game is playable with a keyboard
 
Anybody feel like helping me?
 
@CatPlusPlus It is sort fo playable with a keyboard.
If you own an XBox 360 controller, use that.
I play Dark Souls
I just got into it again because of the Connectivity fix.
Before, em and my brother would wait hours to try and connect to each other.
Now, it's instantaneous.
Dark Souls should hire the guys writing these PC fixes.
 
Who says they didn't ?
 
2:20 AM
They didn't.
They're modders.
God damnit...
 
demon souls vs dark souls?
 
CoUninitialize() is fucking my day up...
@JustinMeiners Just get Dark Souls and have fun.
Also, it's Demon's Souls.
 
really, it's posseive?
 
Also Demon's Souls is not on PC
 
true its a ps3 exclusive
so does that mean you guys havent played it then?
 
2:23 AM
I don't have or feel the need to have a PS3
 
I haven't played it because I didn't want to play it, not because it's a PS3 exclusive
(I actually have a PS3)
Damnit boost::filesystem, y u no header only
 
@Borgleader but you played dark souls?
 
Nope
 
oh well then I wasnt asking you...
has anyone played both?
 
On SO, how do I... ping somebody in a comment?
 
2:25 AM
I think I'm gonna write a novel.
 
I think I'm gonna write an OS.
 
do it.
 
I tried to write a novel once. 45 pages later, I abandoned it.
 
Bahah, it worked!
 
Hmm?
KotoR?
 
2:33 AM
Yes. Oh my god, the choices. I forgot how much of them there are!
Just spent a shitload of points on intelligence and charisma.
 
Awesome! Send me a postcard when you reach Taris :P
 
> Computer Use allows the player to slice computer programs with rams. Ahahahah
 
I've played KOTOR forever ago
 
@DomagojPandža You think that's bad?
(Fun fact: to find this video I always google: "two idiots, one keyboard" its the first link)
 
Careful with the phrasing there
 
2:36 AM
??
 
He means two girls, one cup. :P
 
ah, figures
 
Gonna try take a nap
I had things to do I still have things to do
I hate everything
Fuck
 
It's sad that this looks almost better than World of Warcraft.
RD: July 15, 2003 My 11th birthday. <3
 
I was hoping for a 10yr anniversary remake of this game
 
2:43 AM
Running it on a 1024x768 17" CRT screen, Intel Pentium IV @ 1.8GHz, 256 MB of DDR RAM and a GeForce 2.
 
I first played it on the original Xbox
later bought it for pc
 
10 years later, I'm running it on an i7 @ 4.5 GHz, on a 24" fullHD LED display from Samsung, 32 GB of DDR3 RAM and two GTX690s. Well, considering the age, if the driver doesn't force alternate, it's probably using just one.
 
2 690s?!? you must be getting over 9000 fps
 
I force V-Sync always. :D
 
also, which i7 has a 4.5ghz clock speed? o.O
or is it overclocked?
 
2:46 AM
Overclocked, of course. :D
 
do you know how much fps you get without vsync?
 
This one. The GPUs start making the screeching sound, so it's a minimum of 2000. That's why I force V-sync.
 
Ohh, I have the i7-3770
LOL 2000 fps
 
That's the maximum, I guess.
1920x1080, 8x MSAA, 16x AF. Soft shadows, bloom (they call the option "Framebuffer operations" xd ) etc.
 
Taste the rainbow.
 
2:50 AM
My eyes.
I just remembered that the lead character is voiceless.
ToR spoiled me.
 
@DomagojPandža 10 yrs later that game still looks sexy
 
@Borgleader Very much so. :D
 
Think of the children.
 
You killed my picture :'(
 
I think of it as a mercy kill.
 
2:56 AM
God, this is so fun. I feel like a child again.
 
Hm.
No "bad code" comments this time. Hm.
 
how about javascript sucks? :P
 
I agree, but asteroids is kicking my rear back in C#-landia, so... hm.
G'night.
 
Dual-wielding, motherfuckers!
 
fuck yeah vibroblades
When you see it...
 
user1357851
3:14 AM
why the ship so empty
 
user1357851
doesn't make logical sense
 
Clearly you havent played the game...
 
or any game
 
Okay, SourceTree looks really good.
 
user1357851
usually I am more into strategy games
 
3:15 AM
@Rapptz Possibly, but theres a damn good reason why it's empty which means she hasnt played it
 
@EtiennedeMartel What's the difference between that and TortoiseHg?
 
@Rapptz It's not Tortoise.
Which is a good thing all in itself.
 
I guess I'll try it, even though I don't hate Tortoise.
 
user1357851
I racked some 5000+ hours on a old online game - but spent most time on chatting
 
Branches could be a little bit more obvious
 
user1357851
3:17 AM
also a big fan on age of empire 1 & 2
 
@EtiennedeMartel So it does both git and mercurial correct?
 
@Borgleader I guess so. I use it for Git, but I think it works for Hg as well.
@Telkitty Yeah, we always knew you were kinda nuts.
 
Because my repos on bitbucket are mostly mercurial so I won't consider it if it doesnt support hg
 
user1357851
but haven't played much PC for the past 5 years, none at all for the past 12 months (including mobile games)
 
look at me "most of my repos", who am i kidding i only have 2
 
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3:19 AM
@EtiennedeMartel lol, spending whole lots of time on chat in a online game is not much different from spending time here
 
user1357851
besides I wasn't chatting all the time, most likely chatting while doing assignments
 
user1357851
I could be coding/writing essays or preparing for exams while chatting, lolz
 
I want Age of Mythology back!
Or maybe a sequel.
 
user1357851
IMO Age of Mythology sucked :p
 
3:35 AM
Hello !Cruel World
inb4 Code Guru :P
 
@Borgleader =p
Y U STEEEEL MY THUNDER!
 
because i can xD
 
Whatever happened to that Dog++ guy?
 
that was domagoj
really? I thought it was domagoj who renamed to DogPlusPlus, oh well my bad
 
@sehe There is no such feature. Possible workaround.
@ScottW that was notyou
 
3:53 AM
cppreference now uses the LWS API to compile their examples.
too bad LWS is down
 
Damn, I can't beat Ice on Taris. :(
 
lws has an api?
 
Yeah seems like it.
 
My character is so damn retarded, probably because I went towards charisma and intelligence and not strength and dexterity. Can't shoot for shit.
 
Coliru has always been an API. The website is really just a client app.
0% html generation
ah well
 
3:55 AM
The LWS is ugly
Maybe yours will be better
Do all POD pass std::is_default_constructible?
 
This is C++ so I'll go out on a limb and say no :P
 
Felt like you all needed some puke in your respective mouths.
 
@Rapptz Basically a json post request:
wget -q http://coliru.stacked-crooked.com/compile --post-data='{ "src": "Hello World!", "cmd" : "cat main.cpp" }' -O -
> Hello World!
 
user1357851
didn't you go to bed a while ago :x
 
I failed at that.
 
user1357851
4:00 AM
Oo, no sleep walking, great :p
 
not I
 
Nah. Go ahead.
And suck.
lol
j/k
 
@ScottW Quite the opposite -- almost nobody is good at it. Even if we only look at those who claim to be programmers, I'd say no more than 5% do it very well at all.
 
user1357851
Not good with C++ does not mean not good at programming
 
I'm in the top 0%.
 
4:11 AM
@StackedCrooked "in to top"?
 
lolwat
 
First effects of sleep deprivation..
 
user1357851
@StackedCrooked more like topless 0% :p
 
Yeah, I don't usually wear my bra.
 
man tits?
 
4:13 AM
@ScottW I love them too.
 
user1357851
I don't think I should be posting more pictures of myself, otherwise I would get sued for sexual harassment :x
 
user1357851
@ScottW no, I think that's a ban offence
 
user1357851
@ScottW You are right, I wouldn't get sued, I would just get banned from SO for life
 
you can always post a link to a page which contains a link to your pictures.
I you camouflage it a little.
 
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post answers to questions like "how to draw real women"
 
4:16 AM
there are fake women?
 
I draw them in my vortex of despair.
 
user1357851
@Borgleader yeah, those in anime
 
no those are real
 
Ok so when drawing women the distinction between real and fake is wether or not it's anime?
 
user1357851
GOD or DOG?
 
4:18 AM
I wanna goddog.
Never heard of that.
 
@StackedCrooked If you have (some level of) rep on one site, then open an account on another site, you get to start at 101 rep instead of just 1.
 
 
Ah. I always get that bonus, so it shouldn't require much rep.
 
@ScottW it doesnt take any rep iirc. in any case, I get it and i have less rep than you
 
I forgot a semicolon before #include <iostream> and I got ~120 errors.
I was like "What the hell did I break" :(
 
4:21 AM
@Rapptz Wth are you doing? Including things in the middle of files?
 
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@JerryCoffin Jerry, in your opinion who is a good programmer on this chat?
 
@Borgleader Yes
 
I remember when I was starting out with C++ I could search for hours on compiler errors. Typically I forgot a closing } in one of my header files. Or there was a typo in my include guards. Stuff like that.
 
@Telkitty Himself :P
 
I nominate Luc and the Robot.
 
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4:22 AM
@Borgleader I am sure he's more humble than that :p
 
I didn't say he thought he was the best programmer, but afaik he is a good one, so himself is a valid answer
Robot is another good candidate
 
Language lawyer is not same as good programmer though.
 
Well I say Luc because when I saw his Annex thing I was pretty impressed
Robot because his unicode library looks neat.
 
user1357851
let's play on level ground - we should have a competition with a question and people should be given 1 day to submit the code and be judged on that piece of code for their skills.
 
I suspect FredOverflow is pretty good. It seems got some veteran hacking skills.
@ScottW Yes, you're a good boy.
The Robot is probably good as well since he ranked highly in national programming contest iirc.
 
4:25 AM
@StackedCrooked I think the robot's work speaks for itself
 
@Borgleader His library? I haven't really looked at it ..
 
That and his blog
 
Blog is okay.
 
@Telkitty Xeo and (especially) Luc do well at templates, but I'm not entirely sure how...rounded they are (not saying they aren't, just that I don't see them do or discuss enough else to really know). Robot seems to be a solid coder. The puppy has (IMO) gotten a lot better over the last year or so. Mysticial seems somewhat narrow but extremely deep (which I consider much better than the opposite). There are undoubtedly other good ones, but I haven't seen enough of their code to really know.
 
If Scott Meyer's takes the time to mention you, you're doing something right
 
4:26 AM
@Borgleader he did?
 
I know
 
You course you know. That's why I'm asking ;)
 
This article points to the robots blog
 
I have lots of experience writing bad code.
@Borgleader I once mentioned Scott Meyers, so I'm above him!
 
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@JerryCoffin are we talking C++ specific? But then again you kind of indicated depth is better than breath
 
4:31 AM
It's nice to see people from the lounge being noticed by the gurus though :)
@JerryCoffin I used to be good at programming the video recorder.
 
As to whether I'm a good programmer: I'd say capable of writing good code, but have a little too much tendency toward pursuing solutions that are a little too cute, off-beat, unusual, etc. Unlike many (most?) I probably write my best code when I'm under some pressure, so I don't have a chance to get too "cute".
 
@JerryCoffin I find that recognizable.
 
@Telkitty I haven't seen enough code other than C++ from regulars here to even guess about how good they may be at anything else.
 
I've been given the opportunity to design something new and I find myself making it a little too nice.
 
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Good code is usually a result of polishing
 
4:33 AM
Polishing comes afterwards. And I may have been doing it in a too early stage.
 
user1357851
you start with a good structure, average code, then you polish polish & polish (assuming you are a decent programmer to start with)
 
You deploy, evalulate, refactor, ...
 
I think my main problem is I overengineer things upfront
 
Are you guys all free to use new C++ library and C++11 etc in work?
 
I like to make 'tracer-bullets'.
 
user1357851
4:35 AM
@StackedCrooked you have to if you also work on the structure. I tend to build a lot of redundancy, in case I need those facilities later on
 
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@billz at a work place, usually no
 
I tend to focus very much on eliminating duplication. But high granularity doesn't always benefit readability.
 
@Telkitty so I'm not the only loser in here :)
 
@Telkitty Although it can work, I'm personally somewhat averse to this idea. Too often, it leads to bright shiny garbage -- the nicest bubble sort or slickest singleton anybody's ever seen.
 
user1357851
@JerryCoffin usually people don't have the resource for that
 
user1357851
4:37 AM
you are given certain time to do certain thing
 
user1357851
not everyone is given weeks to polish something that's already working
 
@Telkitty The point here isn't that it's necessarily the nicest ever -- just that in a lot of cases, they're polishing code that should have been ripped out, thrown away, and replaced with something else entirely.
 
user1357851
@StackedCrooked redundancy does not mean duplicates. For example, for an account, you can reserve a second phone number for a person, that is redundancy not duplicates
 
user1357851
it might never be used, but it might ... for say 20% of the accounts
 
user1357851
@JerryCoffin I think we are talking about different definitions of polishing
 
user1357851
4:41 AM
If you have to re-write 20% of a whole system to enhance its perfromance, it counts towards 'polishing'
 
user1357851
however if you re-write the whole system using some other totally different logic, then it isn't
 
Once you have a big chunk of mediocre code, it's all too easy to slip into optimizing too locally -- I've seen even some really good coders fall into this trap. Just for example, look at questions on SO. You can probably find 100 from people working at improving linked list code that they're using to implement a crappy equivalent of a set or map. You can replace their hundreds of lines of code with half a dozen using map, giving speed their linked list could never hope for.
 
Sounds like our codebase.
 
same here and most C++ code is mixed C/C++ code with mis-used design patterns.
 
The thing that's tricky about the future is that the future never gets here, because the moment that it approaches—it becomes now.
/**
*
* Default destructor
*/
~Item() {}
code like that
"default destructor"
lol
 
4:49 AM
I wish I still had it handy -- there was a blog post a few months ago talking about different types of linked list implementations from a guy who'd written some game servers. Successful, well-known guy too. After reading through it, I became convinced (and still am) that it was pretty much more of the same. Was convinced that tens of thousands of users was a lot (he's right) so walking through an array that large every minute or two should be avoided (almost certainly wrong).
 
That should be easy to benchmark.
 
@StackedCrooked You have to love Java code with all the getters/setters + comments.
 
@Nican Yeah. Encapsulation!
Make it private and then add getters and setters.
 
@StackedCrooked If you started with something like standard library code so switching implementations was easy, yes. He was convinced std::list had problems, and what he advocated would have made substituting a vector or array fairly difficult.
 
Ugh.
So his code tightly coupled with the rest?
 
user1357851
4:52 AM
@JerryCoffin but linked list usually sits at the bottom of any large software (i.e. many other things use it), therefore, it is the thing people least likely to re-write - because touching it would require testing the whole system, and it could take weeks
 
@StackedCrooked Hard to be sure (only had bits and pieces of code in the post) but based on what I saw, I'd say yes.
@Telkitty A linked list (or almost any collection) has a simple enough specification that thorough testing shouldn't take long unless you've completely hosed up your interface, so you either have no abstraction at all, or what little you have is leaking everywhere.
 
Unit tests should cover that.
 
user1357851
assume your linked list deploys templates that can take in any of 10+ types of objects that are inherited from some base object
 
And ideally, testing the whole system should be a routine job anyway.
As an automated procedure.
 
user1357851
also there could be multi-level inheritance
 
user1357851
4:57 AM
it could get very messy very quickly
 
@Telkitty Stepanov would frown at that..
 

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