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09:00
Speaking of, I need to whitelist you no?
you could do, what's the URL? presumable something.sehe.nl :P
minecraft.sehe.nl iirc
simples
Be prepared to be covered in gems and then die of starvation.
Obviously we had our priorities in order.
lol
09:01
lol, wtf?
@thecoshman Terrain is hilly so setting a farm took some time. And we found lots of gems.
@Zoidberg old, fake and not even funny
more srsly though difficulty mode doesn't let people actually die from hunger. Probably.
@LucDanton to be honest, I probably will not be on much if at all, just stick to my own server
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@thecoshman It is funny IMO.
09:03
@LucDanton yeah, I think in FTB 'normal' does not let hunger hurt you
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@LucDanton I'd like to join as soon as I get interwebs at home.
user142019
If you don't like it, don't look at it.
@thecoshman With hookers and blackjack?
@Xeo I can whitelist you right now.
@Zoidberg then best not watch anything people consider 'comedy' :P
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@LucDanton What do you need for that?
09:03
@LucDanton perhaps :P
@Xeo Minecraft handle if that's okay.
@Xeo well, presumably they are running with a whitelist
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@thecoshman Not "that for", but "for that"
Yeah I had to read that twice.
@Xeo derp :P
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09:04
@LucDanton Does that already work even if there's no premium account attached to it (yet)?
@Xeo you've not paid for MC?
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Cause until now I didn't have the money for MC. :)
@Xeo I don't follow. In any case the server has login enabled.
dude, it's like €15 and awesome
By that I mean that I didn't know there are different kinds of accounts. Don't know how that works.
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09:05
@thecoshman 20, but yeah
but it's a moot point as you can't play on servers with out a paid account, unless the server does not authenticate the players are who they claim to be
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@LucDanton You can make an account on minecraft.net, but that doesn't let you play until you make it "premium" by paying.
@LucDanton free accounts and paid for accounts
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<limits.h> y u no PATH_MAX.
Okay.
The usual reason for login+whitelist is to avoid vandalism by the way. What with the address being in the air.
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09:06
@thecoshman I know, I've mostly been playing local or with some friends.
@LucDanton I know.
@Zoidberg unistd.h from memory
user142019
It's in <linux/limits.h>.
@LucDanton < relevant meme goes here>
user142019
Lemme try <unistd.h>.
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Nope. :P
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09:09
But yeah, PATH_MAX is kinda pointless.
Hm. stat?
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Anyways, @LucDanton, my handle's _xeo.
user142019
Paths may be much longer than PATH_MAX and functions like getcwd() wi;l still accept them.
FPGA sound like great fun
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@sehe no, I need to get the current directory.
09:10
@Zoidberg I meant, the header (for)
@Zoidberg wokay
might be the best option for something like a hex-a-pod with additional limbs (read 18+ servos all requiring real time PWM)
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Oh on Linux getcwd() can malloc() a buffer large enough itself.
and so wiki-ing begins :(
I passed CG labs
@Xeo Well I added you :p
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09:12
@CatPlusPlus :(
@thecoshman Seriously?
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@LucDanton Yay~
@Zoidberg Because C has no automatic finalizers
@CatPlusPlus what part? the belief tat was wrong, or that I was wrong?
So putting this on stack doesn't really make a difference
09:15
@CatPlusPlus celebratory sleep? (and congrats btw)
@thecoshman That it's actual law
@CatPlusPlus suicide or attempted?
Attempted
If you commit suicide, you really honestly don't care if you're arrested or not
@EtiennedeMartel Oh, so you did make some glass!
Mostly because you're dead
09:16
just read a few more words of what I said, and you will me say 'I thought' to which any normally person will conclude that it turns out I was wrong
user142019
Is it an explicit law or is it because you're trying to kill somebody (in this case yourself)?
I haven't slept all night
user142019
Good.
Also I'm not sbi, I have a tolerance limit when it comes to binging through the transcript
user142019
Because sleeping is an utter waste of time.
09:17
well, technically, a corpse can't be charged with anything. So technically, murder-suicides result in two dead bodies with no one to legally blame
@CatPlusPlus me too, what ever is on the screen or directly linked to :P
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@LucDanton And I finally paid for my account, remembering that I now have some money on my bank account.
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I'm tired today.
user142019
We're all tired. It's almost Friday.
'payed' is not incorrect.
09:18
It's always Friday
@LucDanton probably an 'mericanism
I have a day off tomorrow, thank fuck for that
Oooh, glacier.
Fuck's not here
09:19
I have to deal with XML XSD all day again.
@TonyTheLion you lucky bastard, you lucky luck bastard
@thecoshman mwuahahahah
oh, has anybody ever stayed at a hostel before?
ie, shared a room with total strangers...
what was it like?
Have done it on mountain trips.
It's not noteworthy.
but it wasn't awful either?
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@TonyTheLion strangerful.
09:20
Well, snorers.
@TonyTheLion friends at work do it a fair bit, they have no problems with it. where you going?
@LucDanton totally this. Scares the shit out of me :P
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AAaand I'm in Rotterdam.
@thecoshman Berlin.
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I want to go back home already.
09:21
@TonyTheLion snoring scares you?
user142019
What an awful day will this be.
Ell
Ell
Hi guise
user142019
Hi.
user142019
I gotta go bye.
@TonyTheLion why not just book a room in Hotel de @sbi ?
09:21
@thecoshman it annoys me so much, when I am in a room where someone snores, I want to bat them with my crutch :P
@thecoshman because I don't want to be a burden on the ape
@TonyTheLion I would probably want to beat them even if they didn't snore :P
but hey, they are cheap
so stop your bitching :P
I love bitching, it's like my hobby
or stop scrimping and get a hotel
Ell
Ell
09:23
Just stay in a hostel
it's only the night
on my CV it says: "Bitching - comes with package - deal with it"
@TonyTheLion Earplugs may be an option, if you don't mind them.
Ell
Ell
my Bros done it loads, says its fine
@LucDanton a good idea
¬_¬ this is why forums are not left public fuckers
09:26
trolled
Oh hey, someone posts
I should've probably subscribed to the auth forum
Not that anyone ever uses it
@TonyTheLion yeah, as recently as a couple of weeks ago. It's pretty harmless imo
09:28
especially now that it's not really peak travel time, it'll be half empty (at least) anyway
@CatPlusPlus I tried to delete the topic, but got a gernal error message
I already deleted it
@jalf valid point
You're slowpoke
@CatPlusPlus ah, explains it :P
09:29
A couple of the nights I got an 8 bed room to myself because of that :)
I wanted to let people lol at it a bit first :P
@jalf oh wow.
also, people there are generally really nice
so for 3 nights it's probably not that big a deal
and it saves me quite a significant amount of cash
Yeah, I'd say you're fine
of course, it doesn't hurt to scope out the place first. If you don't like the look of the place, find another
09:31
of course, you could be unlucky, but I haven't heard of any one having any major problems
can't really scope out the place if I'm not in the town
I'd rather book ahead of time then just walk in
@CatPlusPlus ¬_¬ I did have to bring it to your attention :P
especially seeing that I'm not the most mobile person on this earth
Your mom is not the most mobile person on Earth either. Because she's so fat
user142019
I'm back. :D
Ell
Ell
09:33
I wonder if my school uses a key logger
@TonyTheLion you can do it when you arrive. If you don't like the place, walk in and cancel your reservation, then walk out and take a taxi to the next one ;)
@TonyTheLion stop making excuses :P
@Zoidberg 0
@Ell why...
@CatPlusPlus you have no idea what you're talking about
Ell
Ell
I am chatting on Google +
about skipping lessons b
@TonyTheLion Someone has to make yo momma jokes
09:35
@Ell chances are they are simply logging your web requests
lol
@CatPlusPlus lulz
@Zoidberg And earn Microsoft another license fee?
11> PrepareAlarm = fun(Room) ->
11>                     io:format("Alarm set in ~s.~n",[Room]),
11>                     fun() -> io:format("Alarm tripped in ~s! Call Batman!~n",[Room]) end
11>                   end.
#Fun<erl_eval.20.67289768>
12> AlarmReady = PrepareAlarm("bathroom").
Alarm set in bathroom.
#Fun<erl_eval.6.13229925>
13> AlarmReady().
Alarm tripped in bathroom! Call Batman!
ok
ooooh
I like Erlang
Ell
Ell
09:38
@thecoshman yeah probsies. But thats a lot of requests to track
and yes I know this is not that fnacy
@Ell depends on your perspective
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@thecoshman Ain't that simple binding?
I would assume they have a filter any way, so they have to look at every request any way
56 secs ago, by thecoshman
and yes I know this is not that fnacy
Ell
Ell
Yeah. Maybe just pr0n
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@thecoshman Because that doesn't always work out?
09:40
It's a nice simple syntax for it, and I've not really done a huge amount with function objects in C++
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Also, good morning.
@sbi yeah, I hear the host is raging alcoholic
sbi
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@thecoshman I don't rage.
@sbi in this context raging is more about the scale of the alcoholism, rather then saying the host is filled with rage whist intoxicated
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I just learned that this might have been because I was on the radio yesterday morning, about the rent raising issue. I talked to a radio reporter last Friday, and she made a contribution of it yesterday morning, which quoted me by name. Also, she went to the company that owns this house and asked for a statement. The prospect of bad publicity might have rattled them a bit. :)
09:46
heheh nice one :)
@sbi in short, you are protected from them raising the rent due to 'modernising' the place due to it already being above a certain percent of your income?
Ell
Ell
Note to self, write a movie about a virus escaping its virtual machine and infecting its host and taking over the world
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@Ell Been done before.
Kinda, anyways.
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@thecoshman No. It's due to it going to be more than a certain percentage of my income after the rise.
@sbi nice to know you have this safety net. Is this a German law for all rental places or just because it is a state owned place?
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@thecoshman In the last 20 years, the rights of people who rent apartments (which is the overwhelming majority of housing in Germany) have been seriously undermined, but this one still exists. It's been put into place to stop gentrification of poorer areas and the pushing out of the people who lived there for a long time. It hasn't really stopped the gentrification of at least three major parts of Berlin in the last 20 years, but I'd still gladly accept its health in my case.
Anyway, a meeting was just moved from 4pm to now. I'm off.
@sbi s/health/help/
random quick Q: some ppl seem to hate on recursive_mutex... should I bother learning why, or are they just wrong? I mean when it comes to class mutex it could be pain in the a*s to ensure that mtx is locked only once.
@NoSenseEtAl the answer to "should I bother learning why [x]" is generally "yes" for any [x]
10:11
@jalf opportunity cost :)
@NoSenseEtAl sure, you can't do everything. But learning is always good
but seriously, what do you think? People are saying a tool you're using sucks. Should you find out if it does suck?
Can you come up with a single reason why you should not?
@jalf guy that wrote that started working in 1982 and Im alergic to ppl that are stuck in their time
so i want somebody modern to say that i should bother
@LuchianGrigore MPD much ?! :)
@NoSenseEtAl Fine, here's what you're looking for: "my god told me to do it this way"
Since rationality clearly doesn't come into it, that should do just fine
Personally, I'd rather be stuck in 1982 than stuck in deliberate ignorance
sure, we know more today than we did in '82, but we knew more in '82 than someone today who doesn't bother learning
@jalf nevermind, I asked a Q on SO. And I know a lot more about C++11 than that guy.
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10:18
Hey everybody
@NoSenseEtAl but he, apparently, knows more about mutexes than you do
because he is right. It is pretty much universal advice to avoid recursive mutexes because they might look simple, but they trip you up later
and that has nothing to do with C++11
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Does anyone know about LNK2019 unresolved external symbol errors?
@SpicyWeenie yes, they mean the linker could not resolve an external symbol. :)
@sehe what's mpd?
Music Player Daemon?
guess not....
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(audience laughs on que) ;o;
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10:20
lol
@LuchianGrigore Mighty Power Donkey?
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Q: What is an undefined reference/unresolved external symbol error and how do I fix it?

Luchian GrigoreWhat are undefined reference/unresolved external symbol errors? What are common causes and how to fix them? Feel free to edit/add your own.

@jalf AAAAHHH I got it - it's multiple personality disorder
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Everything is broken.
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Sorry. I appear to be behind the jargon
Have an upvote. YOu even edited the non-answer by a self congratulary OP to make it... look like something. You deserve a special purpose badge (SecondMile or Ascetism come to mind) — sehe 4 secs ago
@jalf from what i can google .net mtx are recursive. Anders can never make a mistake=> recursive_mutex is epic, wisdom of 1982 suc*s :P
10:34
Type like an adult stop inserting asterisks in random words
@CatPlusPlus O*
@NoSenseEtAl No.... .NET has both recursive and non-recursive mutexes, just like C++11. The Windows API also has both, along with documentation recommending you use the lightweight non-recursive ones
But like I said 20 minutes ago, if it makes you happy, then stop thinking and just do what you like and say your god told you to. You don't have to write good code and you don't have to be able to justify your code. As long as I don't have to maintain it, I don't care. Use some gotos too, if you like
That's a clever way of saying "get eaten by raptors"
Har har! I've been registered as official pilot user for our new corporate desktop standard (i5 + Win7 32). That may not sound great, but I'm thrilled (currently on Pentium E5300 XPSP2)
@jalf Wait. What. Have you just learned that the universe is doomed?
@sehe nah, but he obviously is only looking for an excuse to avoid listening to others
10:44
I have so much positive energy I don't want to go to work today. That would be such a waste
@jalf I can point to some very sane articles to balance that a bit (e.g. a gratuitous recommendation to use ReaderWriterLockSlim instead of lock(obj) is certainly not a good idea, and rarely yields real benefit, unless the programmer knows what he's doing. In which case, he/she wasn't using Monitors anyway)
@jalf That might be fair to say
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I just made some diagrams from our project for school.
@BartekBanachewicz Do you step on a "positive energy" scale in the morning? Also, what are you here for :)
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The design of the program is fucking terrible.
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Wonderful how everything even works.
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10:45
It feels like PHP.
@sehe Hm, I don't need a scale for that. I'm here because when in doubt what to do, go to Lounge
I'm correcting my uni assignment on the 2nd screen anyway
@sehe which is why it's a good idea to learn why people recommend a recursive mutex, instead of just dismissing it as "a guy being stuck in 1982" :)
since once you know the reasons behind a piece of advice, you can determine whether it applies in your situation
user142019
On a scale from Java to 10, how terrible does this design look? :P
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10:48
PHP
user142019
Oh, no, worse, it's UML
@Zoidberg bin bin bin!
user142019
lol
@Zoidberg helicopter world FTW
10:48
it's bad
user142019
It's terrific.
@Zoidberg I'd say it's around sqrt(-1)
Is world your name for a scene, don't do that
you've earned the award for most terrible design EVAR
10:49
@Zoidberg 'victim1' 'victim2' 'victim3' ¬_¬ bad design dude, very bad
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@thecoshman I didn't make it.
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The only difference between those is the images they have. XD
@thecoshman they go up to victim 8
getters and setters everywhere
seriously?
@Zoidberg oh, where did it come from then?
@BartekBanachewicz you don't say
10:50
@thecoshman read up
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@thecoshman my project team.
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They did most of the work.
@TonyTheLion sigh, not automatically a bad thing
@Zoidberg who else is in the team & why you didn't correct them?
@jalf I was talking about Monitor in C# : "Yes, locks based on Monitor in .NET are recursive, and counted." IDK it had normal mtx.
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10:50
@BartekBanachewicz they're noobs and I'm terrible at explaining things to noobs.
@thecoshman no, worse. They are the wrong level of abstraction and overused in most corners of this earth.
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@BartekBanachewicz More to the point, do they still live?
@Zoidberg can't you just do it alone?
@Xeo or that
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@BartekBanachewicz I wish I could.
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BUT YOU MUST WORK IN A TEAM WITH NOOBS BECAUSE IN REAL LIFE YOU ALSO WORK IN A TEAM WITH NOOBS AND THIS AND THAT.
10:51
@Zoidberg exactly
@Zoidberg well, I like explaining things to people.
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@BartekBanachewicz Me too, if they understand the basic stuff.
@Zoidberg are they noobs or just newbies?
@TonyTheLion a better solution to expose a value that you want to be able to easily change how it is derived, perhaps not even have to store it internally?
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@BartekBanachewicz both.
10:52
Because if they don't get basic stuff, it's even better, since you can teach them properly from the beginning.
@thecoshman public
@TonyTheLion what if you want to change it so that this value is only calculated on demand?
oh wait, you just broke external code
user142019
@thecoshman properties with decent syntax.
user142019
Like in C# and Objective-C and Ruby.
also, if you had designed an interface that actually made sense, you'd have no need for get anything.
10:54
I am not saying everything should be done with a get/setter but they are not a bad thing that should be avoided at all cost
user142019
But .getX() and .setX() are just terrible no matter what.
@thecoshman you write too much Java.
@Zoidberg you mean 'Value(){ return value; } value(newvalue){ value = new value}`
your mind has been warped
user142019
Getters and setters should not always map to internal structure of a class.
10:55
but in my .NET days, I used to think the same thing
so I get what you're saying.
user142019
I have a teacher who is fucking hilarious.
user142019
And I hope he reads this, since he's really a fucking noob.
@Zoidberg that naming is, but the concept is not out right bad like singletons
he's fucking while being hilarious
you're funny
singletones??
@Zoidberg now they shouldn't, but by using them to start with, you change how getX() they work with out breaking anyhting
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10:56
He says that you must for every class create a public getX() and setX() for every attribute.
wow, the ssh.exe that comes with the windows port of git is sloooooooooooooooooooooooow
@Zoidberg he is probably pandering to idiots
@Zoidberg wat?
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@BartekBanachewicz for everything. Public getter and setter.
@Zoidberg what about members that are supposed to be private?
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10:59
Public getter and setter.
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No matter what.

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