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7:00 PM
wait, FBX probably isn't an acronym for facebook then is it? wow I'm dumb
 
@Crowz OpenGL and Java sounds like a blasphemy to me.
 
user142019
FBX is a file format (.fbx) developed by Kaydara and now owned by Autodesk. It is used to provide interoperability between digital content creation applications. History FBX originated as a replacement file format for Kaydara's Filmbox software. Filmbox was an application for recording data from motion capture devices. Prior to 1996, Filmbox 1.0 used a file format called "FLM". The format only supported motion data, user preferences and a list of devices used in the capturing of the motion data. This data was a serialized version of the libraries (binary dump), containing read/write me...
 
@BartekBanachewicz I want to learn OpenGL and then move onto C++ because I'd rather not learn both at the same time, you know?
 
@ThePhD yeah, but wait, there's more
@Crowz Learn C++ first
 
7:01 PM
@ScottW that's untrue. It isn't greatest SDK ever, but does its job
 
...
 
Also FBX is really the best 3d interchange format right now. So if you're making a 3D game, wander no more.
 
If I want to get a working version of FBX (sort of), I have to sign up and give feedback to their beta program. Thanks, Autodesk. Thanks.
 
@ThePhD they only support VS2005 and VS2008? wow
 
@MooingDuck The code works without problems in 2012.
 
7:03 PM
@MooingDuck And 2010.
@BartekBanachewicz What crack are you on and can I have some?
 
@ThePhD can't find docs/sdk for that
 
@ThePhD that's too bad your ide sucks. In my 2012 it works.
 
@ScottW Name better 3d format with C++ sdk
 
@BartekBanachewicz Are you statically or dynamically linking?
 
7:04 PM
@ThePhD dynamically
 
Yeah, that's it then.
Can't statically link.
 
static linking is pain in the ass with large libraries
usually not worth it
 
@ThePhD Wikipedia says it has Python bindings, so you could always load FBX in Python and then use Boost.Python to callback into the SDK from your 2012 code :)
 
@Praetorian -.-
 
@Praetorian You're out of your mind. :3c
FBX's memory model and code conventions are strange, but it works.
Still, I usually prefer writing my own importers and exporters for an engine.
For well-known formats that don't change on a dime (PNG, JPEG, etc.)
 
7:06 PM
@ThePhD go ahead, FBX spec is also available
 
hand-written importers and exporters usually get you the best bang for your buck, and they're not hard to do when the specs are good (and the format is not monstrous, like TrueType).
 
Because since COLLADA has proven to be a total failure, there are NO alternatives right now
 
Whatever dumbass thought up .DAE needs to die.
 
maybe except JSON, but that's really suitable only to openGL
 
user142019
All 3D formats are terrible.
 
7:07 PM
@ThePhD they had a nice idea, but it didn't really work out
 
user142019
Except voxel formats.
 
@Zoidberg some are slightly less terrible.
 
Seriously? XML-based 3D that can specify ANYTHING and EVERYTHING in the world?
 
Well, it was meant to unify 3D description
if it was based on plugins or something, it might work
 
@BartekBanachewicz Unify, as in, support EVERYTHING?
 
7:08 PM
but not as a giant-pile-of-useless-crap standard
 
The problem with supporting everything is that the format becomes hard to deal with except in your specific domain area.
 
@ThePhD more or less. But I just said it, without plugins it isn't really possible
 
@ThePhD Sony and Khronos? Those are big groups
 
Oh. Khronos. That explains it.
 
user142019
Use a custom format that exactly matches your needs.
 
7:10 PM
Couldn't write a good format if someone was on their deathbed and that was their dying wish.
 
user142019
All problems solved forever.
 
I think most shops make custom tools that build their custom format for 3d models
 
@Zoidberg Most game development engines do that.
 
@ThePhD openGL?
 
.md1 -> .md5 (iD software, I think), .mdx (Blizzard)
 
user142019
7:11 PM
Any decent (for as far that is possible) 3D editing software allows for custom export plug-ins.
 
@Zoidberg good luck writing your own blender exporter
 
@BartekBanachewicz why do you say that?
 
I forgot what Valve uses internally..
 
user142019
@BartekBanachewicz It's better than using a crappy existing format that doesn't match your needs.
 
7:12 PM
@thephd hammer
 
@doug65536 because blender sucks so badly I can hardly comprehend the magnitude of its suckiness?
 
@MooingDuck That doesn't really count. Plus, OpenGL's development was... is.. has been... thorny.
 
user142019
@BartekBanachewicz well, don't use it.
 
user142019
PROBLEM SOLVED.
 
@BartekBanachewicz Hey, at least it's free. And it's made some serious progress so far.
 
7:13 PM
@Zoidberg I am not going to. But there are artists that are making models for you. And they need an exporter.
 
if I had $1 for every time someone said what NOT to do on this chat thing, I'd be rich
 
One of the log files at my company becomes "locked" if you try to delete it with del *.log, and by locked I mean, cannot be even read-from nor copied. Anyone heard of such a thing before?
 
user142019
Well, write an exporter.
 
user142019
Or a converter.
 
7:13 PM
@ThePhD Until they won't kick out the guy responsible for the UI, they aren't making progress
@Zoidberg and we're back
 
user142019
> OR A CONVERTER
 
1 min ago, by Bartek Banachewicz
@Zoidberg good luck writing your own blender exporter
 
@MooingDuck are they very large?
 
@TonyTheLion 1,119 bytes
 
hmmm
strange
 
7:14 PM
srsly
 
user142019
You can convert from Dae-what-was-it-again? which supports like everything.
 
basically I just ignore them, but I thought I'd ask
 
normally files are locked when in use
 
Thankfully, when I wrote this I had accounted for potentially not being able to statically link and had also Repo'd the dynamic libs too.
Crisis averted!
 
user142019
@TonyTheLion in Windows, IIRC.
 
user142019
7:15 PM
In OS X certainly not, maybe in Linux.
 
@TonyTheLion not normally in a way that prevents copies
 
Ell
@MooingDuck do you happen to know where the minecraft server is?
if there is one
 
@Ell nope, I was never invited
 
user142019
@Ell Guess the IP.
 
Ell
sehe.nl ? :P
Oh
 
7:16 PM
@MooingDuck if the file is already deleted, but somehow still shows then that would make sense
 
user142019
Is it @sehe's server?
 
@Zoidberg conversions aren't perfect
 
Ell
I don't know, it was a guess :L
 
user142019
Probably minecraft.sehe.nl or something then.
 
user142019
Oh. :P
 
7:16 PM
@TonyTheLion that.... would actually. Wonder what causes that.
 
reboot?
 
user142019
Hi-Fi-ve!
 
user142019
Sounds good huh?
 
@MooingDuck Maybe you can force a refresh? Or try to do a ls on it, maybe it'll show it as not being there or being 0 bytes?
 
@MooingDuck sure, the file is opened exclusively
 
7:19 PM
@ThePhD when I use the command line, dir reports the same size
@doug65536 that nobody else can read from it?
 
@MooingDuck Damn. :c
 
@TonyTheLion hadn't considered that, I'll check next time I reboot
 
user142019
Oh cool CSS 4 is coming.
 
Ell
whats in it?
 
@MooingDuck good
 
7:20 PM
Most people don't even use CSS3 ;_;
 
@MooingDuck exclusive means nobody can even open it, let alone read it
 
user142019
article:matches(.active, .visible, :hover) FINALLY
 
@doug65536 I don't think Windows does that.
 
user142019
CSS 3 Y U SO VERBOSE
 
@Zoidberg background-color: *light fuchsia with tints of orange*;
 
user142019
7:21 PM
I hope it will get expressions.
 
@MooingDuck unless you mean long after you are sure that the program is not running
 
Ell
website: facebook_clone
 
user142019
Some browsers already support them.
 
Ell
@Zoidberg doesn't css3 have expressions?
 
user142019
Also I want variables and functions in CSS 4.
 
7:21 PM
@doug65536 I just saw that in the docs, that's bizzare. Why would such a thing exists?
 
@Zoidberg It should be called CSSL : Cascade Sheets Shading Language
 
@MooingDuck easy, compatibility. old code would not necessarily be locking and handling concurrency
 
Ell
@Zoidberg isn't that javascripts job?
why put them in css when you can use javascript
 
user142019
@Ell no. I mean like, constants.
 
@Ell javascript sucks. Why do something in javascript if you can use CSS
 
7:22 PM
@doug65536 FILE_SHARE_READ wouldn't be good enough?
 
user142019
I want LESS to be standard.
 
user142019
LESS > CSS
 
user142019
 
@Zoidberg anyway, why are we talking webdev like some faggots?
 
@MooingDuck yes that would allow you to peek at it in notepad for example
 
7:23 PM
@doug65536 so? What's the harm in that?
 
@MooingDuck another process might open a read a half-written file and screw up
 
@BartekBanachewicz ooooh 'Bartek' is a girls name
 
Also, what the fuck is with putting ALL of the site content, including introduction, tutorial and language reference on ONE page
 
@doug65536 ah, I suppose
 
user142019
omg
 
user142019
7:25 PM
ul li! a.active {
   color: red;
}
 
user142019
Awesome. The li will be red when a child a.active is there.
 
@thecoshman my GF taught me what fuchsia is when she dyed her hair in that color
 
user142019
FINALLY PARENT SELECTORS
 
@MooingDuck none of those problems exist though if the program handles concurrency. Im just pointing out what old oblivious-to-concurrency code might do
 
@Zoidberg I don't want them to ruin it
 
7:25 PM
@BartekBanachewicz ask her to teached you English grammar next?
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@doug65536 makes sense
 
@Zoidberg oh god that is sweet
 
user142019
I want embeddable LaTeX in HTML. xD
 
@Zoidberg Finally, web development starting to make some sense.
 
@MooingDuck and fucking you too.
 
@ThePhD woah, let's not go crazy
 
7:26 PM
Sorry, I did get pretty excited. :c
 
Ell
@Zoidberg isn't there a javascript thing for that?
 
let's get one thing straight, web dev is the lowest form of software development
 
he's got the point
 
user142019
@Ell MathJax only supports math mode I think.
 
@thecoshman You accidentally an m.
 
7:28 PM
user image
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@Non-StopTimeTravel wtf is this shit?
 
@BartekBanachewicz It's a crocodile.
Crocodile (Crocodylidae) is a large aquatic tetrapod that lives throughout the tropics in Africa, Asia, the Americas and Australia. Lizards, snakes and crocodiles are all scaled diapsids, but crocodiles are archosaurs, which means they are genetically closer to birds and the extinct dinosaurs. Crocodylidae is classified as a biological family or subfamily. The term can also be used more loosely to include all extant members of the order Crocodilia: which includes the crocodiles of Crocodylidae, the alligators and caimans (family Alligatoridae) and the gharials (family Gavialidae), an...
 
looks like a big frog
 
@Non-StopTimeTravel That I've figured out myself. It's a crocodile out of context!
 
harhar
 
7:29 PM
Krokodylowate
Crocodiles are never out of context
 
Also, did you just change your nickname again?
 
Ell
off to a quiz. Talk in a couple hours
@LucDanton If I can get on the minecraft server, please inform me :) and if I can't, too
 
@Abyx in a way, it is. its a frog after a LOT of code refactoring
 
@thecoshman No.
 
@BartekBanachewicz Not just
 
user142019
7:33 PM
TIL: they sell food on Amazon.
 
@Zoidberg Where do you think college students get their ramen from?
 
@BartekBanachewicz days ago
 
user142019
@Rapptz what is ramen? *Googles*
 
Serious?
 
user142019
7:34 PM
Oh that stuff.
 
eeeexcellent
 
user142019
College students don't eat that, at least not in The Dutchlands.
 
In the US they do, because it's the cheapest food you can get next to rice.
 
user142019
We eat baguettes or sausage rolls.
 
my definition: ramen (n): something you hear people mention sometimes as they walk past your office on the way to lunch.
 
7:35 PM
College students lack a proper income and are usually in debt by thousands of dollars so they need cheap food while they're dorming.
 
user142019
@Rapptz I get almost 200 EUR per month from the government.
 
@StackedCrooked Bug report for Coliru: the following submission contains tabs in strings: stacked-crooked.com/view?id=02fad63ba62d4d2f73973e2455dba514 – however, I didn’t actually type the tabs, I typed \t and it got substituted when submitting.
 
user142019
Enough for a lot of food.
 
lol "dorming"
 
user142019
<3
 
@Non-StopTimeTravel Shh.
"for students who aren't commuting"
Does that sound better?
 
@KonradRudolph Thanks.
 
see the comments on his milk review? he got a standing ovation
 
I'll try to fix it one of the coming weekends.
 
7:37 PM
@Zoidberg, do they contain weed?
 
user142019
No.
 
@Rapptz "living on campus"
 
user142019
I doubt they sell weed on Amazon.
 
@Zoidberg lol
 
7:38 PM
a teenager told me you can get weed online. I told him it's crazy...
 
user142019
@doug65536 you can.
 
You can.
 
user142019
There are many .onion sites on which you can buy weed and other drugs.
 
Silk Road is an online black market operated as a Tor hidden service. History The website launched in February 2011 with development having begun six months prior. Buyers can register on Silk Road for free, but sellers must purchase new accounts through auctions to purportedly mitigate the possibility of malicious individuals distributing tainted goods. , monthly sales are estimated to be slightly over 1.2 million US dollars, which corresponds to approximately 92,000 US dollars per month in commissions for the Silk Road operators. Products The majority of products available to purcha...
 
user142019
7:40 PM
Me gusta.
 
user142019
Me gusta wine gums.
 
is it illegal to "sell" weed online and not send people anything? :)
 
user142019
Depends on jurisdiction.
 
user142019
But they won't go to the cops since then they'd be screwed themselves. :P
 
@doug65536, wrong chatroom to ask :)
 
7:41 PM
yeah, I suppose eventually you'd rip off someone who'd murder you over it
 
who the hell's Gustaf?!
Wine Gums are a Nestlé property last I checked, from the Rowntrees family?
or Maynard's
 
Ell
Mayndard's
I like wine gums
 
@Ell I whitelisted you first thing this (my) morning.
 
Ell
@LucDanton ahh thank you :) now I just need to know the adress :P is it a server or your gaming pc?
 
Thank you very much, I dont understand how it is possible for you to realise such a small thing so fast and from that, tell me it was done in word, amazing... I was following the tutorial away from home so I decided to use word to save my code into. @Paul, what is a better compiler? — mamta rani 22 mins ago
mehehe
 
7:45 PM
@Ell Server hosted at minecraft.sehe.nl
 
Ell
well what do you know, @Zoidberg was right
 
29 mins ago, by Zoidberg
Probably minecraft.sehe.nl or something then.
 
Ell
It's not online though :'(
 
Hey Mooing, do you actually have a working division algorithm?
 
@Rapptz yes! Though it's probably MUCH slower than optimal
@Rapptz long division
 
Ell
7:48 PM
I don't have FML installed :O
 
@Ell It is
 
Oh.
 
anyone familiar with gluLookAt?
 
To keep things straight - there IS a currently developed branch of Dev-C++, containing G++ 4.7 and newer libraries. I still wouldn't recommend it, and just download Visual C++ Express Edition. — Bartek Banachewicz 9 secs ago
@Crowz well... I might say so.
 
@MooingDuck did you take any performance measurements? maybe a rough FLOPS estimate or at least nanoseconds per divide numbers?
 
7:49 PM
@EtiennedeMartel lies
 
@doug65536 I believe it's O(n^3)
@doug65536 we're talking bigints, so FLOPS doesn't quite apply properly here
 
compliers can be pretty clever, I woudn't be surprised if the compiler had a few tricks up its sleve. I'd get actual measurements
 
I switched bases, from 10^4 to 10^19 and then back to 10^9.
but that broke my division even more
:(
 
@Rapptz yeah, 10^4 is nice because it makes multiplication really easy.
 
#ifdef hello printf("%d", hello); lol
 
7:51 PM
10^9 you have to convert bits to long long to prevent overflows.
10^19 you'd have to be Mysticial.
 
funny thing is he recommended it to me
 
@LuchianGrigore that must be some preprocessor lol
 
@Rapptz probably broke multiplication actually, which resulted in a more broken division
 
multiplication broke at 10^19, but it works with 10^9
hence why I went back
 
bleh, what is this
 
7:53 PM
I don't want to my pride and joy multiplication ;_;
 
my first time here. what shall I say
 
10^9 * 10^9 = 10 ^ 18 <-- why your multiplication doesn't break.
 
I'm thinking of altering mine to just use unsigned always and assume unsigned is 32 bits and unsigned long long is 64. Would simplify a lot of code
 
2 days ago, by Cat Plus Plus
Hey, listen. Read the rules or we'll hate you.
 
He should have put a Navi picture in that line.
 
7:54 PM
well you don't have to assume unsigned long long is 64 bits
it's required to be minimum of 64 by the standard
 
@Rapptz good call
 
indeed unsigned long long is 64 bits
 
@blackmath minimum
 
@blackmath Not necessarily.
 
@blackmath minimum
 
7:55 PM
@ThePhD NAZI?
 
really?
never know this
 
@blackmath yes, really.
 
oh, windows has a multiply128 function for 64b x 64b
 
that depends on the compiler?
 
@blackmath the only type with a fixed size is char
 
7:55 PM
@blackmath and CPU, yes
 
(sort of)
 
@EtiennedeMartel Even the first time aroundI wrote it with a v, why would I wrote Nazi? D:
Unless it was like Nazi Navi.
 
CPU means the memory width. 32 or 64
 
@blackmath Sizes are not clearly specified in C++ (except char, but even then it's one byte, and there's no mention of the amounts of bits).
 
or soem specific configuration we can make
 
7:56 PM
@EtiennedeMartel s/now/not/
 
@blackmath x86, yes.
@Non-StopTimeTravel Woops, weird typo.
 
@blackmath tip: a CPU with a 9 bit byte would make everything you said wrong :P
 
This room is beautiful
5
 
9 bit byte... that'd be interesting.
 
How come I never came here
 
7:57 PM
the only CPU I know of that bad is the intel 4004, 4-bit CPU
 
@KonradRudolph hey, I saw your multifunctions today. Never saw something like that, it's quite funky, but do you really use them often?
 
@ThePhD it's been done
 
@EtiennedeMartel CHAR_BIT?
 
@MooingDuck By a psycho with a chipset?
 
@DeadMG Yeah, but what's the size of that?
 
7:58 PM
interesting that I can't find a standard C/C++ function to get the upper 64 bits of a 64bit * 64bit number.
 
@EtiennedeMartel Uh, int, I think. What does it matter?
 
@bamboon Not really, no. In C# you use them quite a lot with events because events may legitimately have more than one subscriber, but scenarios where you’d use events in C++ already have a library solution (such as Qt signals)
 
@DeadMG I mean, how many bits are in there?
 
at least 8.
 
@MooingDuck it must be returning a structure of some kind
 
7:58 PM
@MooingDuck "C/C++"?
 
@ThePhD it was a long time ago, before 8 was standard
@Non-StopTimeTravel either or
 
Ah.
The olden days.
 
@Non-StopTimeTravel He's old fashioned.
 
@MooingDuck or perhaps an __m128i? that would be weird though
 
@doug65536 Windows has a function, returns the upper part in an output parameter. but nothing standard to C nor C++.
 
7:59 PM
@EtiennedeMartel I can tell from the way he talks about mooing ducks as if they still do that nowadays
 
@MooingDuck They've barely accepted the need for a 64bit data type. Standardising such a function would mean quite some conformance work for some older or smaller platforms.
 
in 64-bit mode, 64x64->128 is native, just use imul reg64 (assembly I mean)
 

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