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4:01 PM
@thecoshman because managers
real managers are about as useful as creating a manager class in your code
 
@StackedCrooked 'agile' 'scrum'
aka, utter shit
 
spoken like a real developer
 
@thecoshman Agile is cool.
Scrum is cool
 
@TonyTheLion now if only I could get something to develope
 
4:04 PM
Everything is cool
You just need to remember that they are guidelines, not a fucking religion.
 
oh sure, but not when this fuckstain get there hands on it
 
@thecoshman lol,I know the feeling
@EtiennedeMartel if fucking was a religion...
oh wait :P
 
Hello
 
Same thing as with patterns: they're not inherently bad, but every once in a while you get someone (usually a consultant who trains people in "proper" pattern usage) who advocates using patterns for the sake of patterns.
 
4:06 PM
@EtiennedeMartel well, some patterns are bad
 
Daily stand-up is useful.
 
Come to think of it, the problem isn't agile, or design patterns, or unit testing, the problem is consultants.
 
but I get your meaning
@EtiennedeMartel no, managers
with out managers, there would be no consultants, the reverse is not true
 
The problem is people that stop thinking.
 
@StackedCrooked Daily stand up is useful provided it doesn't turn in to one of those status meetings
 
4:07 PM
it's not useful when only managers say stuff
 
Sanity-check: it's around 17h in Central Europe, right?
 
Everyone has left the office by now, and I am usually one of the first to leave...
 
@AlokSave guess what our daily stand ups turned into
@R.MartinhoFernandes pandemic?
 
Just making sure no one messed up my clocks.
 
4:10 PM
@TonyTheLion Isn't there already a /r/cats?
 
it's half seven
 
@thecoshman A project risk management session?
 
@AlokSave ¬_¬
 
@thecoshman Oh fuck off.
 
architecture behaviour of count2 is
begin
count_up: process (clock)
variable count_value : natural := 0;
begin
if clock = '1' then
count_value := (count_value + 1) mod 4;
q0 <= bit'val(count_value mod 2) after prop_delay;
q1 <= bit'val(count_value / 2) after prop_delay;
end if;
end process count_up;
end behaviour;
yeah... VHDL IS fucking nuts
even more nuts is that it makes sense :S
@R.MartinhoFernandes :P
 
4:13 PM
@thecoshman the "compilers" all suck
 
@Collin oh great, just what I want
still, it looks simple enough, just a bit quirky is all
 
@thecoshman For simple stuff you should be ok
 
user1182183
since when is cat doing someone elses' homework?
 
@Collin I hope so :P
 
Yeah, and there's lots of patterns you should follow to make sure your intents are clear to the thing that's converting your VHDL into real logic gates
 
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4:16 PM
@ScottW well you guys probbly kidding
 
p->q
>implying
 
user1182183
but if it's really not a joke I have something he maybe could help with his coding skills XD
 
@GamErix saying things suck is not a skill
 
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@thecoshman how's saying that something sux helping with homework, I don't get it. like always ~.~
 
@StackedCrooked You wrote a Property struct for C++ a while ago. Is it still buried in this chat?
 
4:19 PM
@GamErix it's all the cat is good for :P
 
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@thecoshman aha xd
 
@ThePhD this chat is (close to) permanent
oh lord, even basic VHDL hurts the head
 
Hm.
 
@thecoshman it takes a mindset I just don't have
 
I can't find it.
Though I did find some interesting StackedCrooked posts.
 
4:22 PM
@Collin well, I have a rather clear idea of what I want, and how it could be made. It might turn out that VHDL just isn't the right tool for whatI want
 
Including one about large dynamically typed systems
In either case, writing a set/get Property dealio shouldn't be too hard, right?
 
@Zoidberg could it be that you have two active github accounts?
 
user142019
@bamboon Maybe.
 
Should I add Eric Lippert's blog to the Feeds? I know it's mostly C#, but it's still pretty interesting.
 
user142019
Not really.
 
user142019
4:26 PM
Define "active".
 
@Zoidberg sry, fixed.
 
@ThePhD Depends on what you want. FWIW the language already supports data members, so you don't need to spend time implementing them.
 
user142019
Oh.
 
user142019
I use only one.
 
@thecoshman All the FPGA guys I know use combinations of VHDL and Verilog to do stuff, but they're FPGA guys
 
user142019
4:27 PM
But I gotta go.
 
user142019
See you later guyz.
 
@Collin I wouldn't think you could use both at once... surely only one language can be put onto the FPGA
@Collin and I don't suppose you could ask your 'guys' what a good dev board be for a noob, what sort of things I want to look out for when getting one
any way, I have shitty meating then fucking off
 
I could probably find out.

You're not really putting a language into the FPGA, the tools are converting your HDL into a bitstream, that gets loaded on the FPGA, it's sort of like compiling a binary
then the FPGA just configures itself to do the things you described in HDL on each clock cycle
it's not running code in the classical sense, you're just pushing electrons through gates
 
Ehh... Semantics for Properties are tricky.
@R.MartinhoFernandes Uh. Okay. :D
 
@LuchianGrigore: wow! are you working at EA? WOW!!!!! I like those games!! Big Fan of FIFA! — Yohan 19 secs ago
The guy's new, I betcha
 
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4:37 PM
hm anyone has a funny page I can place on meet-helmond.nl, don't really need this site anymore...
 
Xeo
@BartekBanachewicz TIL
 
user1182183
Big deal. You work at EA, so what. It's not like you can give away games before release..
 
user1182183
(well you can...)
 
@GamErix I wish I could give away CPUs :P
 
user1182183
@BartekBanachewicz and I GPUs, then we would match up, and build Super Computers XD
 
user1182183
4:39 PM
ram is cheap anyway.
 
user1182183
maybe you got an idea what to place at homepage of meet-helmond.nl? : P
 
user1182183
would you guys like a painting application in this chat? XD
 
user1182183
like the one here
 
No, because you'd draw dicks on it.
 
user1182183
4:42 PM
just check guest, login and click on the stupid kid I drawn
 
user1182183
@ThePhD sure... xD
 
user1182183
nah not working
 
I like my property class. Albeit I think I will need a derivative of it that does not return a copy every single time you call get.
I should probably separate it out...
lvalueset and rvalueset
 
you still completely failed lvalue and rvalue
 
Meh.
I don't know what I'm doing.
 
4:56 PM
@ThePhD struct Property { public: ...
You wanted to make sure it was really public?
 
Open-open source, baby.
 
user1182183
hm can I set the user agent with google chrome dev tools (F12)? a page REQUIRES me to have Internet Explorer...
 
164
Q: How can I explain the meaning of LaTeX to my grandma?

Stefan KottwitzI wrote a book about LaTeX, and my proud grandma wanted to have a copy. So she got it, said "What a beautiful picture on the cover!" and - "What is this, LaTeX?". She doesn't know Word, never used a computer. But she reads books. How can I explain what makes TeX and LaTeX special to a non-techni...

It got really nice answers :D
 
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@ScottW java is dying, don't talk bullshit.
 
@ScottW Haha.
Reminds me.
When I started working on that side project thingy with a bunch of dudes, I happened to had the most experience in "modern" C++ in the team. So I did a few code reviews.
 
5:00 PM
Hello.
 
One of my teammates had written several classes containing only static methods.
Let's just say he's now using free standing functions in namespaces instead.
And seeing him slowly learn to use C++ properly, it nearly brings a tear to my eye.
 
I can feel the burn, from here, for that guy.
You must've wrote one mean code review to start.
 
It wasn't that bad.
Code reviewing is essentially teaching in disguise.
It's not about "you did that wrong", it's about "you should do that instead".
And since people are reluctant to change, you have to show them how doing it the "proper" way will improve things for them.
 
@EtiennedeMartel and sometimes "that instead" isn't really obvious. So you have to think. And you learn too.
 
Yep.
Well, in that case it was easy: the team was essentially 2 C++ programmers, 2 C with Classes programmers and 2 noobs with basic C# knowledge.
 
5:08 PM
@ThePhD I don't remember writing a property struct...
 
@StackedCrooked Maybe it was your Hooker Traits?
 
Ah that one :D
 
I remember them being quite flexible.
 
This is the latest version. I'm not certain that it's really useful though.
 
user1182183
anyone got an Idea what I can host on my unused website? XD
 
user1182183
5:11 PM
(unlimited transfer as long as it's not degrading performance of other users)
 
user784668
@GamErix Prawn.
 
user1182183
@Fanael what's Prawn? >_> a variant of Pawn?
 
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Prawn is a common name applied to large swimming crustaceans, particularly in Britain and Commonwealth nations, which may also be referred to as shrimp. Significant commercial species, valued for their eating qualities, tend to be large, and thus tend to be called prawns. Shrimp that fall in this category often belong to the suborder Dendrobranchiata. The term is only rarely used in North America, and typically for freshwater shrimp. In the United Kingdom the word "prawn" is more common on menus than "shrimp", while the opposite is the case in the United States. The term "prawn" is als...
 
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At least it's something
 
5:26 PM
Man, the Tour de France isn't going to be taken seriously for quite a while.
Though, they didn't really bash the Tour de France so much than they did blow up Armstrong's life entirely.
 
to check if there is internet connexion
is there any way
 
@EtiennedeMartel: On a scale of slightly chilly to icicle, how cold were you when you got to work?
 
user1182183
@pourjour ping google.com
 
user1182183
guaranteed to work
 
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Q: What's the best way to detect an internet connection using .NET?

Anon for thisI have a Windows Forms application. When the user imports a license for my application I'd like to "phone home" (hit an aspx page on the web) and register the license information. The problem is that the user may not have an internet connection working at that moment. I'd like to test this first...

 
5:32 PM
Has anybody done a C++-FAQ on that describes the new C++11 non lvalues (ie I know what the lvalue is) but now I need to know a whole bunch more of "??-values" and how they work with the other C++11 features.
 
@GamErix Pawn sucks.
@GamErix what about DNS error
 
user1182183
@BartekBanachewicz well, depends on the context, for what needs he to check if there is internet? for licensing? ping your own site. voila.
 
the joke of the day, people thinking you need to be a "hacker" to create a fake FB profile to lure people into befriending them so as to scam them or whatever
what a joke
 
They should be skinned alive.
 
@Borgleader I had ice in my beard.
 
5:36 PM
@EtiennedeMartel Yikes...
 
It was -22 C and I wore a hoodie and long sleeve shirt.
 
@Rapptz As long as there isn't wind, it's manageable.
 
@Rapptz It was -35C here
 
That and water.
If it's too wet or humid it's killer.
@Borgleader I don't get cold easy :P
Everyone thinks I'm weird or something.
 
Yeah, humidity makes it like you're naked.
 
5:39 PM
They wear like, 5 layers.
 
@Rapptz You're secretly Canadian.
 
Ell
How would a tetris board be represented?
 
@Ell With a board?
 
Ell
As a data structure :3
a list of peices? a 2d vector?
 
@GamErix I'm making a program but I wouldn't execute any operation until an internet connection exist
 
Ell
5:40 PM
and how would you represent the current piece falling down?
 
probably as simple as an array
 
Well, you need to keep track of which tile is occupied.
And, ideally, by which piece.
 
user1182183
@pourjour try to download a webpage, a few small web pages
 
user1182183
make sure those sites are operational in all world regions
 
user1182183
because I can imagine china blocked google
 
5:41 PM
I think would help the InternetGetConnectedState API
 
what would be the downsides (besides backwards compatability) of altering C++ to allow freestanding functions of the form U foo(T*, ...) to be called with the T t; t.foo(...) syntax? (potentially including primitives)
oh wait, char a('A'); a.strlen(); >.<
 
Second try: Has anybody done a C++-FAQ on that describes the new C++11 non lvalues (ie I know what the lvalue is) but now I need to know a whole bunch more of "??-values" and how they work with the other C++11 features.
 
hey guys i have been banned from asking questions
what do i do now?
 
@AakashAnuj Wait out your ban
@AakashAnuj And why were you banned?
 
@AakashAnuj usually (A) find an appropriate forum for the type of questions you want to ask (B) wait (C) google, or (D) talk to a professor
 
5:45 PM
@AakashAnuj Meditate on what you've committed and sip tea.
 
@LokiAstari yes, there's a wonderful SO question about it
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Q: What are rvalues, lvalues, xvalues, glvalues, and prvalues?

James McNellisIn C++03, an expression is either an rvalue or an lvalue. In C++11, an expression can be an: rvalue lvalue xvalue glvalue prvalue Two categories have become five categories. What are these new categories of expressions? How do these new categories relate to the existing rvalue and lva...

 
@AakashAnuj You probably deserved it.
 
ahh
whatever be the case
i just want the permission back
is there any way>
 
@AakashAnuj explain on Meta exactly what you did wrong, and how you've learned not to do that anymore. Maybe you get permission back. Otherwise the permission might come back by itself eventually.
 
@MooingDuck That's not gonna work. He's just gonna get mobbed.
He needs to fix his questions himself.
Going to meta is just gonna make the situation worse.
 
5:52 PM
ooh, fixing the questions seems like a good idea
@AakashAnuj fix your questions
 
Since there's a lot of people there who will intentionally downvote you to make sure you stay banned.
 
@AakashAnuj start by clarifying exactly what the problem is in this question. For instance, the question doesn't mention android at all, are you using the normal android toolkit? Use exact names of the text box type, and some code that shows how you set it up
 
user1182183
I don't know.. hosting24.com seems to be a good host (I'm looking for one with unlimited bandwidth + cgi support).. I can't see any asterixes or not's just "as long as it's not copyright material voilating blabla"... what's your opinion guys?
 
@MooingDuck Although to be fair, the question ban was never meant to be easy to get out of. It's just SE's way of permanently getting rid of users who consistently ask bad questions.
 
@MooingDuck oooh, correct problems, it all seems so obvious now
 
5:55 PM
is there anyway to deal with an online xml file
read data from it
 
@pourjour a browser?
@pourjour open it in a browser
 
@MooingDuck na I mean using c++
 
@pourjour sure, open the file, and read it in
actually, I've always wondered if C++ streams can open a webpage or other online resource, I should test that
 
is there any other than download a file to get data online
 
@pourjour obviously not, how can you see things that aren't near you? You have to get it near you, and that process is "downloading"
 
5:57 PM
@MooingDuck Boost.Asio has an example of that.
 
@MooingDuck i did that :)
 
@MooingDuck and then after downloading the file
how can I read data ( I need easy way)
 
@AakashAnuj did what? Edit the question? Not nearly enough, it's still a terrible question.
@AakashAnuj show the relevent code/xml/whatever it is that configures the editText
 
yes i edited it...now it is quite clear..
 
@AakashAnuj is there code?
 

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