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10:00 AM
@Cicada It recurses, I fail to see the problem
wait, let me write you an example code.
 
Okay. I see.
 
0
A: How to guarantee that a function is inlined in C++

DeadMGNope. Actually inlining a function is a complete implementation detail. Even compilers that offer keywords like __forceinline (VC++) won't inline functions with that qualifier under some circumstances. And the page carries a very apt warning about misusing this qualifier.

what's with all the noobs posting __forceinline?
 
@DeadMG stupid keyword named after unrelated optimisation
 
> public final static String UNDERSCORE ="_";
why?
for the love of god, why?
 
10:05 AM
@KonradRudolph Yeah I had understood, you know.
 
@thecoshman It’s not any more stupid than using string.Empty
 
I hate Java
 
@thecoshman You’re just fishing for stars
 
@KonradRudolph not really
 
@KonradRudolph Except, string.Empty is guaranteed to be optimized on many platforms, whereas getting it from other sources might not (good compilers go a long way)
 
10:14 AM
@sehe “guaranteed to be optimised” – how? It’s just a property, not even a constant. In earlier versions .NET had a bug where it would always create an instance for every occurrence of "". But that’s just that – a bug.
In principle, "" can be optimised more than string.Empty, not the other way round
 
@KonradRudolph read up on atoms and interned strings
 
@sehe No need, I know about them. What of it?
 
@KonradRudolph Nah, if you're going to argue that compiler should anyway, then the most you can arrive at is complete equivalence
 
@thecoshman Because one day, an alien race is going to take over this planet, and their underscore has a single dot above theirs
 
oh joy of joys, a function that has not been senselessly wrapped in a giant try catch block
 
10:16 AM
@sehe Only the compiler has special treatment for string.Empty: it’s a property so the compiler shouldn’t be able to hard-code it in assemblies different from the one System.String was defined in.
 
@Neil NO!
 
@thecoshman It's true! Accept the horrible truth! ASCII will not always be standard!
 
@thecoshman function level try/catch: gotw.ca/gotw/066.htm and stackoverflow.com/questions/620795/…
 
@Neil you are still failing to provide a valid reason for public final static String UNDERSCORE ="_";
unless you are in a very strange set up, where the font you are locked to has an usual character for underscore, and you want to change the character to something else
 
@thecoshman how about: underscores are hard to type on particular keyboards/teminal emulators etc
 
10:21 AM
and I hate the way that rather then throwing the exception, a function is being called that can then throw the exception
to what end?
it's just stupid
 
what image format should I use for rendering 2d tiles in my rpg?
I'm currently using png.
I wonder if I should use tga instead
 
png is a good format, lossless, alpha, good compression
if it is working with png, and you have no problems with it, and nothing you want that it doesn't offer, why change?
 
well, i'm a performance optimization freak
what format renders fastest?
 
lol
png is just a format to store the data. When it comes to rendering it is no longer in a png format, it is just raw data
 
10:25 AM
@GamErix Dude, you realise that you are freeing stack-allocated storage there?
 
I'll stick to png then.
 
you load your colour data from the file format, and store it as a texture, it does not matter what format the data is loaded from
 
user1182183
I'm not really that good but I do my best to manage my memory leaks.
 
user1182183
don't I need to free there?
 
10:26 AM
If a string is empty in a JSON string, is the default value "" or null?
 
that is truly terrible code.
 
huh... where did my one boxing go :(
 
just employ std::vector<bool> and std::vector<cell> and resize them appropriately
 
@ManofOneWay I think it depends on a few things
 
and in your constructor, take an iterator range over Paths
then you also won't have to deal with Rule of Three violations
 
10:28 AM
@thecoshman Since when do I have to justify anything? I'm a programmer for crying out loud.
 
@thecoshman gone since you added @GamErix
 
user1182183
hmm, and in the destructor I would resize the vector to 0?
 
@GamErix Please post questions at Stack Overflow
 
@Neil ¬_¬
@GamErix no, well depends. You would not set it to 0, but you might need to handle stuff
 
user1182183
@thecoshman if I don't want memory leaks?
 
10:30 AM
@GamErix Wait, this is supposed to be C++? Why are you using malloc in C++?
 
generally speaking, when a class with a vector goes out of scope, so does the vector. and when a vector goes out of scope, it will call the destructor of what it contains
 
@thecoshman ?! What on earth are you mumbling about. No need to manage the vector. If it contains raw pointers, free them individually
 
user1182183
somebody suggested this code so i took it xD
 
user1182183
@KonradRudolph up
 
@GamErix Wrong choice
 
10:31 AM
@GamErix whoever did this was playing a cruel joke on you
 
@GamErix what if I suggest you jump of a bridge?
 
@GamErix Don't take suggestions from that guy again.
 
@thecoshman I say you need to be more creative
 
user1182183
@thecoshman well I wouldn't jump..
 
not only is my proposed class significantly shorter and simpler than your original class
 
10:32 AM
@GamErix why not? you blindly accepted the code given to you with out questioning it, why question me telling you jump of a bridge?
 
@DeadMG add #include <vector> and #include <deque> /cc @GamErix
 
but it also does not violate Rule of Three
and is completely memory and exception safe in all regards
 
@DeadMG it is a lot more flexible too
 
and, basically, kicks your class's arse
@sehe Why? It's not intended to be a compilable sample
 
@DeadMG education, helpful ?
 
10:33 AM
eh
 
user1182183
@sehe it is helpful I think, going to change my code now.
 
if GamErix does not know how to #include <vector> without my help, he needs more than one fixed sample
he needs like, a whole book and/or lecture course on C++
 
@DeadMG that depends on the operations on cell (assignment might throw...) so at best it should be called exception neutral
 
user1182183
I know the basics of the basics..
 
@GamErix you need to program in basic then :D
 
10:34 AM
@sehe Pretty sure that even in that case, the class respects exception safety.
@GamErix Pro tip #1: Always use resource managing classes. Never do it yourself.
 
user1182183
@sehe if you create a SA-MP SDK for BASIc then sure xD
 
and the Standard provides a number of them which are greatly suitable for virtually alluses
 
@GamErix you need a rock solid understanding of the basics of proper C++ in order to not be shit
 
@DeadMG mmm ICBW - need to rehash the definition of Exception Neutral vs Exception Safe
 
@DeadMG s/alluses$/all uses$/
 
10:35 AM
@sehe Pretty sure they're normally called "strong" and "weak" guarantees.
 
calluses <-> call uses ?
 
the weak guarantee is that if an exception throws, your program is not fucked up the arse with a tennis racquet
the strong guarantee is that if an exception is thrown, your program is in the state it was prior to the invalid operation (plus the exception, of course).
 
@DeadMG see, need to rehash those. Anyway, you are right, the standard library ensures that this code would be ok in the face of exceptions
 
this class provides strong guarantee, as far as I can tell
 
@ManofOneWay ok, sent you an email :)
 
10:39 AM
@DeadMG Well, for strongest guarantees, it will obviously always depend on non-evil implementation of copy ctor/assignment on the element types
 
well, yes, it does depend on cell's copy constructor having also the strong guarantee.
but, given the presence of RVO and NRVO, it would be difficult to construct a working class that does not present the strong guarantee for copying, I believe.
 
user1182183
@DeadMG
btw about this line:
template<typename Iterator> RouteData(Iterator begin, Iterator end int id_)

then if I insert into the struct the data i need to do another vector.begin and vector.end and the data will be copied?
 
@GamErix Yes.
 
user1182183
ah okay, thanks!
 
@GamErix Did I forget a comma?
 
user1182183
10:44 AM
ye
 
user1182183
end, int id_ :)
 
user1182183
but no problem
 
kek
 
@DeadMG huh. we don't have a definition of cell. For all we know, it could contain raw, interdependent pointers to other cells. Pretty easy to get those mixed up on copy. But basically, we agree now.
I wouldn't downplay the possibility. Exception safety in C++ is hard. Although, with proper use of stdlib and no raw pointers, it should be ok by default
 
I like my pointers like I like my steak. Raw.
 
10:47 AM
@Robot tribute (especially since we know from mumble that the robot doesn't like to speak loudly):
 
@Neil GTFO
 
I like my pointers like I like my steak
processed and packaged from a factory
 
user457812
I like my pointers like I like my steak: ice cold and in my pants.
 
@Neil I like my pointers like I like my steak: raw only on the inside
 
user457812
Wait, wrong pointer.
 
user1182183
10:51 AM
About freeing memory:
 
user1182183
3
Q: Force a std::vector to free its memory?

Milo Possible Duplicates: reduce the capacity of an stl vector Is this normal behavior for a std::vector? I know that std::vectors do not 'free' the memory when you call vector.clear(), but how can I do this? I want it to release all of its resources once I clear it but I don't want to d...

 
user1182183
is that code in the answer safe?
 
user1182183
and reliable
 
@GamErix Safe, yes. Reliable, yes in practice, but it’s not guaranteed by the standard.
 
user1182183
it's not really efficient if every second 1700 4 byte integer variables stack up.... any way I can be sure that the vector data is gone from memory when I don't need it anymore?
 
10:53 AM
@GamErix It's not efficient to release memory, and then later reallocate it. If it's going to happen every second, leave the memory, so it's available the next time it's needed
also, if it happens every second, nothing you can do will make a measurable difference to performance
if it happens a million times per second, you can start worrying about efficiency
 
@bob depends what the errors are :)
 
1 message moved to bin
 
bob
@Flexo include errors, mostly. But the project compiles from command line.
 
user1182183
@jalf so I don't need to worry ram going to be a few gigs? :)
 
user457812
When in doubt, memory pool it up, yo. (Disclaimer: you shouldn't listen to my advice.)
 
10:55 AM
@bob then you probably have a different include path in the two environments
 
bob
@Flexo It may be so, how could I check that (from command line and from eclipse) ?
I'd like to mention that it worked before, and suddently, from one day to the next, when I opened eclipse, it stopped working, for no apparent reason. I don't remember having changed any settings regarding this.
 
@GamErix If, by your own numbers, it uses up 1700*4 bytes per second? Then no, it's going to be a while before you reach "a few gigs"
 
how come when I factor out 3^n-1 from (3^n-3^n-1) it produces 2*3^n-1
I hate math
 
user1182183
well I testes my code heavily and because of the memory leaks I had an hour ago it reached 900 mb in 1 min.
 
user1182183
going too fast and it crashed (probbly multithread locks crashing)
 
10:59 AM
@GamErix wow holy shiess
 
But more importantly, assuming that the vector either gets destroyed when it is no longer going to be used, or it gets reused to store the next batch of bytes, then it won't increase your memory usage at all
 
@bob from the command line pass -E and look at the output it generates. From eclipse I have no idea - I use emacs :)
 
user1182183
@jalf good to hear that ;d
 
You only need to worry about releasing the vector's memory if you keep the vector around forever, after you've emptied it
 
user457812
@GamErix Run static analysis on it, might point out some leaks.
 
11:00 AM
without ever reusing it to store new data
 
user1182183
@nil pass me a tutorial? xD
 
user457812
Assuming you're doing your own memory management anyway, in which case shame on you.
 
user1182183
@nil I hate doing stuff on my own, It's just, sometimes I don't see any better ways, but with each day I learn a few bits of programming.
 
@GamErix Well, I'm just using the numbers you quoted here. 1700*4 bytes per second do not add up to 900MB any time soon.
It'd take 38.5 hours to reach 900mb at that rate
So if those numbers are accurate, something else in your application is eating up memory
 
user1182183
11:02 AM
@jalf I did a for loop and added 60000 calculations at once, then when the routes were calculating the memory didn't seem to go lower but higher instead.
 
user457812
@GamErix Look up the Clang static analyzer.
 
user1182183
Or well it wasn't kept at a stable level
 
user457812
That said, it obviously doesn't catch everything and you shouldn't rely on it for everything. But it's handy, so I like it.
 
user457812
I believe some versions of Visual C++ also include static analysis, but I'm not sure about that, so you'd have to check the docs.
 
user1182183
@nil ah ok thanks, and indeed I preffer to work on windows.
 
user1182183
11:05 AM
so a static analyzer is just a binary file analyzer which also takes the pdb etc?
 
user457812
Shame on you for that as well, though I really couldn't care less.
 
user1182183
It's not like I'm programming for my living, If I did I sure would use linux. but hey at school we use sucky xp xD
 
sbi
@sehe Yeah, I guess that's my problem too: natural looks — whatever that means.
 
@jalf Yes I noticed, thank you :) I will reply when I get home from work
 
@GamErix no, it processes the source code
 
11:10 AM
@all I'm a good boy :)
 
user1182183
@jalf a k : )
 
sbi
> Well, that went smooth. Beginning in October I'll have a new job, and my old boss just offered me to return if it shouldn't work out. Phew. — sbi
 
bob
hasn't anyone used eclipse cdt in here?
 
The 11 in C++11 refers to the number of legs that have now been nailed onto the dog whilst attempting to build a better octopus.
a webdev says that!
@bob I did under Linux
 
bob
@Nils I am under linux.
 
11:13 AM
although w/o build integration
Well just build on the console
 
@Nils you used an ide as a text editor?
 
exactly
 
sbi
 
Well it still did a few more things then a simple text editor, like indexing the whole source.
 
bob
I have an issue with includes being unresolved. The project builds from command line. I tried rebuilding the index but the error remains. What else could I try ?
 
11:14 AM
Adding source dir: C:\Documents and Settings\Name\My Documents\Code Blocks\Test\
Adding file: C:\Documents and Settings\Name\My Documents\Code Blocks\Test\bin\Debug\Test.exe
Changing directory to: C:/DOCUME~1/Name/MYDOCU~1/CODEBL~1/Test/.
Starting debugger: C:\MinGW\bin\gdb.exe -nx -fullname  -quiet  -args C:/DOCUME~1/Name/MYDOCU~1/CODEBL~1/Test/bin/Debug/Test.exe
failed
 
@sbi What kind of things will you work on?
 
sbi
@Nils I will write C++ again. Embedded stuff, for a change.
 
gdb is not working, can anyone please help? thanks
 
nice :)
@MrAnubis under windows??
 
@Nils yes
 
11:16 AM
even apple has no llvmdb or something
 
@MrAnubis did you try using it from the commandline?
 
@sbi Oh, cool. Congrats!
 
@all I'm a gooooddd boy... give me a jjob :)
 
so I'm off cu
 
@rubenvb I never used command line option , I use some IDE all the time , thanks
 
sbi
11:16 AM
@Nils So far I have next to none experience in embedded stuff, but I became a programmer after fiddling with TTL logic ICs in the early 80s, so I know a thing or two about hardware. Plus I know enough about C++ to have an idea what a virtual base class would cost.
 
@jaffa A j-job? You'll probably want the Java room for that
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@MrAnubis try running the command after Starting debugger: from a commandline and see what happens.
@jalf They would only offer a JJob .
 
@rubenvb ok , thanks :)
 
sbi
@jalf Thanks. This one's been in the making since last December, and I just had a talk to my old boss where I informed him that I will leave. He was grateful for me telling this so long ahead, so they can plan for it. No hard feelings on either side, and he immediately offered to keep me or even let me return, should this not work out.
I have been anxious about this talk for weeks, and I am very relieved that it went so smooth.
 
I want naughty jobs ;)
 
sbi
11:21 AM
@jaffa After what we've seen of you here, can you think of any reason anyone of us would offer a job to you? Because I cannot.
 
@sbi well, he did say he's a good boy. That's a start, isn't it? ;)
 
sbi
@jalf Yeah, but he probably said it a dozen times in the last 24hrs, which kind of defeats the purpose.
 
11:32 AM
@sbi Embedded is a good line of work, it throws wrenches into new places, you'll have a good time
 
@sbi Yeah, telling my boss that I'm gonna leave is the hardest part of changing jobs for me.
 
sbi
@Collin IME, there's a lot more to a job than what you're hacking at. How's the atmosphere? Do the grunts go for a beer after work once in a while? How does management treat their staff? Do they give you a hard time when you need to plan your vacations? How do they feel about you staying at home with a sick kid? Stuff like that. Yeah, the work, of course, has to be interesting, too. But if all the other stuff is bad, interesting work won't save you.
 
@sbi True, I've gotten lucky that my first job lets you take vacation whenever you want, staying home for a day or two is no big deal, and my manager takes the group out to lunch when celebrating anniversaries and for new-hires
 
user1182183
btw if I need a array from the vector then is this safe? :P
cell * RawPath = new cell[PassVector.front().Paths.size()];
copy(PassVector.front().Paths.begin(),PassVector.front().Paths.end(),RawPath);
 
@sbi Commute is also a big factor (for me).
 
sbi
11:42 AM
@StackedCrooked Yes, I definitely didn't want them to feel like I jump ship. I have been thinking long and hard about this, and I have very good reasons to which they should agree — if only I managed to explain them well. Obviously I did, and they understand my decision, and that it isn't the worst that could happen to them. Leaving with no hard feelings on either side is always the best that could happen. I very much hope that this holds another 2.5 months.
@StackedCrooked Indeed, this I forgot in my ad-hoc list.
 
@StackedCrooked My commute can suck (it's relatively short, but I hate sitting in traffic), but if I time it right, it's not too bad
 
My commute is a 30 min walk :)
 
@StackedCrooked I'd love to be within walking distance, it would probably take me a bit over an hour to bike here, which wouldn't be horrible
 
sbi
@Collin Knowing nothing else, that sounds like a very good job. A workplace atmosphere like this could compensate for a lot of other stuff that isn't really smooth.
 
@StackedCrooked My commute is a 30 minute drive. I wish I could walk it in 30.
 
sbi
11:45 AM
@StackedCrooked My first job was a 4mins bike ride. Yes, not 5mins, just 4 of them. It was that close. (That's probably a 15mins walk, if you make a brisk pace.)
 
@sbi Ok, you beat me :p
 
@sbi Really all they ask is that you keep them in the loop about when you're going to be gone. Occasionally we'll go out on tests which require a couple 80 or 90 hour weeks, but we do that maybe once a year
 
I have another C++ question that i am hopping isn't a platform cavet
im trying to use string.insert(0,'*'); however it messes up and i get loads of extra chars added when doing this
should be valid ascii surely ?
 
@sbi Wait, no, actually, I once moved to an apartment that was next to my company's building. So commute was only traversing the road. That situation lasted less than a year though because the company moved.
 
sbi
Right now my commute is about 1hr from door to door. Plus I have to switch transportation once, which is pretty annoying, because it loses me 10mins reading time and my seat. For the new job, the time might be the same, except I don't need to switch and there's a longer walk on one end of the commute.
 
11:47 AM
Ill be more concise , its the asterisk that doesn't work however all other charachters seem fine
 
@Dev2rights Using insert like that requires an iterator, not a position: string.insert(string.begin(), '*')
obviously string is a type, not a variable though
I guess unless you aren't doing using namespace std
 
@Collin im pretty sure it doesnt, yu can use indexes and iterators
checking....
 
if you want to use the index, it would have to be string.insert(0, 1, '*')
 
sbi
@Collin I had a job like that. I didn't leave for almost a decade. I still have very good communication with those people, including the boss. Most of the developers who still work there have been there for more than a decade, some for 15 years. That's a huge asset for the company.
 
@Collin www.cplusplus.com/reference/string/string/insert/
string& insert ( size_t pos1, const char* s );
 
11:50 AM
@Dev2rights You're not passing a const char*
 
i can force it to use a string i suppose
no i know im not thats pseudo code
the exact code is
 
try string.insert(0, "*") <-- Notice the double quotes
 
char myChar = '*'; myString.append(&myChar);
 
the const char* is a null-terminated string, not just a pointer to a character
 
sbi
@StackedCrooked Well, so you beat me. :) To be frank, though, the best commute I ever had was the one just short of half an hour. It's long enough that I am able to switch my mind frame between home and job, yet not long enough to be annoying. If you just need to cross the street, it's hard to actually, mentally, leave the job in the evening.
 
11:51 AM
@Collin that makes sense
 
i would have thought with an already instantiated string that it ends with \0 though
 
@Dev2rights You're running into some undefined behavior because insert is expecting to find a null-terminator, but you're overrunning your memory space
 
@sbi That's very true. I did have trouble with the mental transition.
 
@Dev2rights It does, but the char ('*') you’re pointing to doesn’t
 
11:52 AM
if you had used const char* myChar = "*" it would have been null terminated
 
@Collin That makes perfect sense
thanks
yeah totally sorts it out thanks
 
@sbi I wish I could take a train or bus to work (I guess I technically could, but it would be 2 hours each way)
 
sbi
@Collin That's one thing that's great about Berlin: public transport is actually quite good. I mean, we bitch about it all the time, but that's about things like a night bus line only running every 30mins between 1-4am.
 
@sbi If I lived in the city I'd be able to take busses, we have a few people that commute on public transit that work here, but I guess that's the tradeoff to having a bit of yard space
And not as much money as those who can afford some yard and be in the city
 
@DeadMG Addendum to Pro Tip #1: Always use standard resource managing classes
@DesmondHume Actually, there are about 254 places like 127.0.0.1 (namely 127.0.0.1-254). Oh and ::1 (not up to speed with loopback networks in IPv6 really)
 
12:04 PM
@sehe Just when I think I have a good handle on IPv4...
 
@Collin Yeah it does my head in. I have a suspicion that IPv6 is actually much simpler, but in doing so, it is so different that it's hard to see the simplicity
 
@sehe Sometimes alternatives are useful, like intrusive_ptr.
 
@DeadMG That would be surrogate standard. I meant to include that. I probably meant more like "don't roll your own" or "use authoritative libraries"
 
ah yes
very much so, I agree
 
@sbi 'grats on the new job
 
12:12 PM
Yay, I got the badge. Somehow rep increase in that badge I got accelerated, because I hadn't anticipated to reach the badge before 2014 :P
 
I really should sort my self out, I keep getting home and finding other stuff to do, rather then apply to a company that sounds like it would be the hell of here. A nice small place. They are not advertising vacancies, but it can't hurt to try
 
Thanks everyone in this room for the pity votes I have collected with answers that took half a day to write and never got any exposure, except from you guys :)
 
unless they contact here, and the managers find out I am thinking of new jobs, from what I here, they are not keen on people looking for new jobs
 
@thecoshman I usually steer clear of places that "would be the hell of here"
 
@sehe Does anyone use [boost-spirit] except for you and that other guy?
 
12:14 PM
@ecatmur Well, troll on :) Obviously.
Obviously, though, two things are true:
(A) it is a niche
(B) it is a niche filled with people that don't usually go on SO (to ask questions)
In other words, the target audience doesn't quite match the 'pragmatic programmer' audience that Stack Overflow effectively attracts.
 
Android people are ignoring me :(
 
@rubenvb Android people - oxymoron
 
chatroom :P
 
@rubenvb what did you do?
 
@rubenvb Oh. Makes sense
 
12:17 PM
@thecoshman I asked a question.
 
and try one of the other 20 Android rooms
 
@thecoshman Ask questions in a chat room?
 
@rubenvb was it 100% on topic?
 
I already tried the Android room too.
@thecoshman oh yes.
 
@rubenvb Sooo they let you in then. Woot. Way to go
 
12:18 PM
@rubenvb maybe it was so on topic, they thought you where mocking them
 
probably
or it was too hard for them
 
@rubenvb I call "John Smith" or "user1131997"
 
it's not a question answerable on SO either.
I need feedback and details
 
oh, that looks like an intelligent question, don't forget, these are Java developers
 
Yeah, it's about integrating ffmpeg as fallback sw decoder. So it goes down to the C++ level
 
12:19 PM
@rubenvb Link to the core post that describes your question? NDK + C++11 perhaps?
 
@sehe lol. Let me draw up a question on SO proper.
 
@rubenvb Sadly has 59.4% unanswered rate
 
I'll shamelessly add the C++ tag, because well the sources in question are c++ :P
 
@rubenvb That's not shameless
 
ffmpeg is able to play 720p video on my device. The sw decoder in Android struggles at anything above 240p. => frustration
 
12:27 PM
I keep getting advertisements on Spotify for Beefeater 24 -- what a ridiculous name for a Gin.
 
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Q: Replacing the standard Android H264 software encoder with an ffmpeg based one

rubenvbIn Android ICS and later, a new OpenMax IL API version is in use, making old binary blobs useless/unused. This leads to older devices that otherwise run ICS just fine and dandy to have broken video playback (YouTube HQ and IMBD, for example) because Androids fallback software decoder sucks when c...

There. Crazy question.
friggin' app devs.
I have a 100% accept rate. Help me bitches XD
 
12:46 PM
hmmm
not sure what to put on cover letter
 
@Collin IIRC it's named after the tower guards in London
@DeadMG it's a place for you to quickly say what is so good about and why they should hire you. The sort of things that don't sit too well in the CV
 
hmm
pretty much all I can think of to write there is stuff like "Check out my SO profile and bitbucket repo to see samples of my work/knowledge level"
 
I would suggest you target a specific project you have done that really shows of relevant skills
keep in mind, you CV and covering letter have mere seconds to tempt them into holding onto it for much longer
 
I dunno
 
I would try to avoid having them go to web sites to see you are worth employing
 
12:53 PM
most of the example cover letters I've seen just seemed so waffly
"Oh, I'm so excited, and you're so great, please dear sir let me work there"
 
@DeadMG that's what it should infer in the reader yes.
lame, but it works.
 
omg somebody shoot me
 
the CV is very 'pure fact' sort of document, no fluffy details at all. In the covering letter, you can elaborate a bit more about your self personally, about how you are such a great guy to work with
 
sure, but it seems kinda pointless since everybody will say how great they are to work with
 
Apparently alphabetical ordering on the database is not the same as traditional alphabetical ordering in C++
So everything's all jumbled up, hell
 
12:55 PM
@Neil alphabetic ordering in c++?
 
@DeadMG indeed, but some are better then others :P
 
lexicographical and alphabetical order is not the same, IIRC.
 
@DeadMG I like the implication that your memory can directly alter the meaning of those words :P
 
@rubenvb yeah, '1' < 'A' < 'a'
On this database 'A' < 'a' < '1'
 
@thecoshman Whuh?
 
12:56 PM
@Neil oh, you mean ascii numeric value ordering ;)
@Neil 1 is not part of the alphabet, you know XD
 
@rubenvb Oh yeah, how clumsy of me.. (╯°□°)╯︵ ┻━┻
I have to hand-write a freakin' string comparator
 
@DeadMG "X is true, IIRC" sort of implies that the truth of X is based on your memory, so, you can't determine if X is true until we have determined if you do in fact recall correctly
 
hah. @StackedCrooked what is 'knutselen' in English (as in creative kids play) /cc @rubenvb @RadekSlupik
 
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