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9:00 PM
@Xeo No, I am trained to answering invalid answers to questions.
 
sbi
@Ell Sex by people >30 is what made most of you here.
 
(I really do that IRL, I just enjoy seeing people getting confused - like a parser choking on an invalid protocol)
 
@sbi >=
 
sbi
@Drise "most"
 
Ell
@sbi so let's not talk about sex at all :L
 
9:01 PM
@Ell What? Shut down the chat room completely?
 
Ell
haha :L
 
Where's @TonyTheLion when we are talking about sex and penises?
 
@sbi Yes, but I was told my message was flagged for defending PHP, not that I said FU.
 
i don't understand the downvotes
 
sbi
@Ell What, first you don't want that your friends drink, now they aren't supposed to even talk about sex. You're quite a monk for your age.
 
9:01 PM
it's not like the answer was wrong
just not hardcore technical
 
@Ell C++ is just source code having sex with a compiler, producing program babies.
 
So if that truly is the case, then perhaps I will reconsider visiting this room again if that is what happens when you go against the grain here.
 
Ell
@sbi I know :( It's a terrible curse :(
 
@CheersandhthAlf In the C++ tag you don't answer if it's not hardcore technical.
 
@Cicada I like it. However, it's rather old. My brother in law still does this. And I do it on occasion, when I'm having one of these days at work
 
9:02 PM
Lol old person sex.
 
sbi
@JimNorton When one of your messages get flagged, a blue flag appears beside it. If the flag is validated by enough 10k+ users, the message is deleted, and you are banned. Which message got flagged, I don't know.
 
Ell
@Drise how do I go abouts having foreplay with the compiler?
 
@Ell Writing UML.
 
sbi
@Ell #insert <limits>
 
@Cicada well it must be an SO thing that. people who like to pretend they're technical. like that. you would not get any silly-comments on that answer in e.g. clc++m
 
Xeo
9:03 PM
@Ell Boost.Preprocessor masturbation
 
#include <iostream>
 
Best UML use case: Foreplay with compilers.
 
@sbi No see, I understand that, but I was told by I believe Cicada that I was "trolled" for defending PHP, not saying FU... to me that is rude.. if true and I don't appreciate it one bit.
 
sbi
@CheersandhthAlf You would, however, in clc++.
@JimNorton Yeah, she said that. So?
 
@JimNorton Yeah I think that's the main reason really.
 
9:04 PM
@JimNorton Can I have a link to the flagged message, or did it get deleted? (I might still be able to see it as deleted by 'stackexchange' if you give me the preceding/message).
 
It's just my opinion really.
 
@sehe I think it's been deleted.
 
@JimNorton If you had 'Fuck You' in the same message, odds are high that people across other rooms have just 'valid'-ated the flag because of that
 
It was something like "Fuck You Cat ! PHP is not that bad" or something
 
sbi
@Cicada Whoa, chirpie insulted the cat! Let's ban her!
 
9:05 PM
No, it was "FUCK YOU! I don't write PHP".
 
sbi
Oh boy, he did it again.
 
@sbi maybe. if the teenage trolls are still there.
 
Wait, who flagged this?
 
sbi
YOU IDIOTS! THAT WAS A JOKE!
 
Who's flagging now?
 
9:06 PM
Who the hell flagged that?
 
@sbi Do it, faggot.
 
Yeah if that message gets flagged I will be pissed...
 
@CatPlusPlus Hey, take a look at this! fabien.potencier.org/article/64/…
 
sbi
@JimNorton I wouldn't have said that if I was you.
 
9:07 PM
@JimNorton I should, just to troll. But I like you. You're alright, even if you use C.
 
@Drise :-)
 
@EtiennedeMartel Haha.
 
@sbi My my. How unexpected.
 
Let's mock it.
 
9:07 PM
oh look, an instrument!
 
@JimNorton But honestly, don't get offended if something goes wrong. It's alright, and you're back talking again. Life's ok.
 
sbi
@Cicada Just as unexpected as your wording, young lady.
 
> Wordpress is first with 54.3%, Joomla is second with 9.2%, and Drupal is third with 6.8%. Three products written in PHP.
 
@sbi Two things. Don't. Shout. Also, flags are not for games. Did you flag that for real?
 
sbi
@CheersandhthAlf Yeah, it's a frigging faggot!
 
9:08 PM
And coincidentally, three most exploited pieces of software ever written.
 
> Let me say it again: PHP is probably not the best language out there, and I'm the first one to scream about its quirks, but PHP is the best web platform... ever.
 
looks more like a light saber to me
 
Well, well, this guy never used anything else.
 
sbi
Now the polar bear is drunk, too. Oh boy.
 
> PHP must have done something right, no?
No.
 
9:08 PM
@Cicada Were you not some time again advising against the use of the word "faggot"?
 
@Drise Certainly not me.
 
> Despite the changes over the years, PHP is still the easiest language to learn for non-technical people
Ahahahahahahaha.
 
sbi
No, @sehe, I did not flag. And I only shouted because some idiot took my joke as an occasion to flag that. Shakes head.
 
"Why doesn't my application work???? — You have to change php.ini! — ????????????????????????????"
 
We should count how many times a day we talk about PHP. Then we can calculate our PHP-hertz.
 
9:10 PM
^ A fag
 
@CatPlusPlus I used to work a Linux Admin for a large web hosting company.... that happened A LOT!
 
You know what, I'll write a blog post.
Now you know it's serious mocking time.
 
@sbi I will admit that I am that idiot. I was trolling in my own way. Apologies.
 
sbi
@CatPlusPlus Taps foot.
 
@CatPlusPlus Want to share the URL?
 
sbi
9:11 PM
@Drise Dammit! Flagging is no joke! Now you read this twenty times for punishment.
 
@sbi Who flagged what?
 
@Cicada Well, my rule of thumb is: I ignore such profanities. However, if someone else (I don't know) thinks it is offensive enough to raise a flag on it, I'll usually validate it (there maybe other stuff I'm not seeing that gives cause for it, and the profanity is at least some proof of dubiousness).
@Drise Apology accepted, and was very much required. Thanks anyway
 
@sehe I only flag stuff like, racist discrimination (except when it's against black people) and homophobia (except for gay jokes).
 
Troll on :)
 
@sehe I will admit it was quite funny about how fast it exploded with WHO DAFUQ FLAGGED FUNNY EXAMPLE?
@Cicada Homophobia... Afraid of humans?
 
sbi
9:13 PM
@Cicada Forget about it. It went over your head.
 
@sbi Well I didn't see any flag.
 
@Drise Thing is, chat quality can go down hill pretty fast. And the things have real life consequences. If we want this room to have any standing with the SE moderators, we better not make a mess of it ourselves.
 
@CatPlusPlus The comments are full of funsies.
> In reality, PHP is a powerful, popular, well featured, utilitarian programming language that dominates the internet and evolves rapidly to service web application needs.
 
sbi
@Cicada I know.
 
@Cicada Someone quoted the earlier flag. That got flagged. Turned out to be a joke by some room regular. Person gets told of after apologizing. End of story
 
9:14 PM
Oh ok.
 
@EtiennedeMartel Now everyone will know you defend PHP.
 
Etienne de PHP.
 
@Drise Erm, you should still be typing
 
reading*
 
Tabarnack.
 
sbi
9:15 PM
@sehe Someone? What's wrong with you folks today? It was her message that got flagged, after I made a joke about it. (Then the whole room exploded with "WHO FLAGGED THAT?", and 15mins later she comes and asks what flag...)
 
What is the frequency bar?
Where is it?
 
@sbi why am I laughing at this. oh right, drunk.
2
 
sbi
@sehe "Now you read this twenty times..."
 
@sehe I used my eyes to read sir.
 
@sbi Well, what's your problem with me summarizing that without naming?
 
Ell
9:16 PM
Haha I don't have the curse of being able to see flags :D
 
@Drise Ok, fair enough /cc @sbi
 
sbi
@Ell Except when you are flagged. :-/
(That is a joke! You are not supposed to flag him now!)
Better say this.
 
@sbi I GOT IT THATS FLAGS ARE NOT FUNNY (only occasionally).
 
@Drise Meet litb
 
sbi
@Drise The following flags are all Ok to use here:
@Cicada ROTFL!
 
9:19 PM
@sbi I don't get it.
 
Can I flag my own messages?
Oh, it appears not.
 
"flag yourself"
 
I can flag it for moderator though.
 
sbi
@Drise He's a repeated offender. I once threw him off the owner list for doing this. I think he and me got head to head about it several times. One was recently enough for even chirpie to have seen it.
 
He's just begging for another 30 minutes.
 
9:21 PM
that flag should be part of the topic flags.
 
@JimNorton Bad idea. Noobs will think it's fun. And flag nonstop.
 
Noobs are idiots by definition.
 
@Drise Yeah, possibly so.
@EtiennedeMartel I would disagree. Noobs are ignorant, not idiots. There is a big difference.
 
@JimNorton Which is why "Listening to @DeadMG's complaints all day" was also a bad idea.
 
Xeo
I want some rum right now, but I can't go out buy one because I need to watch my little brother... sigh
 
sbi
9:22 PM
2 messages moved to bin
 
@Drise Yeah, I pretty have learned to ignore them from him... Just for my own sanity.
 
sbi
@Xeo Weren't you the one who only drinks Coke?
 
gotcha :)
 
@sbi I love rinking coke!
 
sbi
@EtiennedeMartel Yeah, isn't it?
 
Xeo
9:24 PM
@sbi Blame the birthday party of a friend, he made me drink 40% Havana Club. I think we finished 1 1/2 bottles with 3 people
 
"Honey"? How romantic.
@Xeo Oh, it's not that bad.
 
Xeo
@EtiennedeMartel It was my first time drinking alcohol, really. :P
 
Oh fuck.
 
Xeo
And I didn't even get drunk.
 
Let everyone now talk about how proud they are at getting drunk without vomiting.
 
Xeo
9:26 PM
Made my mother say that alcohol is wasted on me
 
Go on guys, show me how virile you are.
 
sbi
@Xeo Boy, you didn't realize how drunk you were. That's to be expected the first time. You really should learn to enjoy having a beer or two, first. Or a glass of wine. If you start out with rum, you're destined to end pretty badly.
 
@DeadMG trying to fix your build. Now on r45:ebfd289c8469 error C1083: Cannot open include file: '..\..\Sim\HumanPlayer.h': No such file or directory (in render\render\uifolder\ingame\cppcontext.h).
 
Xeo
@sbi Well, I did nothing out of the ordinary and I could clearly remember everything the next day
 
sbi
@Cicada Can we throw in stories about fornicating all night, too?
 
9:27 PM
@sbi Sure, that's allowed too!
Anything that makes you feel superior.
 
Xeo
Also, beer isn't tasty.
 
@sehe If it doesn't build, it doesn't build. I didn't need you to fix it :P
 
@sbi The phoenix is sad because he hasn't gotten any in a while.
 
Although fornicating all night is arguably nicer to be proud of than getting drunk without vomiting.
 
@Cicada Never happened to me. Never tried too hard, allthough I can testify as to outdrinking quite a few flatmates when I lived in a student home
 
sbi
9:28 PM
 
What are some guidelines and / or methodologies that are used to determine a good Object / Class model for an application?
 
@DeadMG I'm telling you what the error is. I thought that would be helpful for minimal feedback
 
@Cicada It sounds and has been relatively painful afterwards for both parties involved.
 
@sehe My my, that is quite impressive indeed.
 
sbi
@Drise Who is the phoenix around here?
 
9:28 PM
@sbi Myself.
 
@sehe Sure, but if I were to actually begin re-investing time into that project, it would begin by ripping out virtually all of it, as it needs a total overhaul.
 
sbi
@Cicada Now you are your old self again! Cheers. :)
 
@Cicada I used to stay 'concious' enough, and, being past sleepy, would do silly stuff like go and clean the kitchen. They'd get up in the morning and say: whoa, what the fuck, who did that :)
 
Anyone remembers the name of that hilariously bad PHP shopping cart software?
 
@sbi My young self. You are the old self.
 
9:30 PM
Ah, osCommerce it probably was.
 
 
sbi
@Drise Um. Did you just, in a public chatroom that archives for all eternity, tell us that you haven't had sex in too long?
 
Shopify is python.
 
@sbi Yea. Your point?
 
@sehe Whoah, that's silly!!
I mean, clean the kitchen! You must have been massively drunk!
 
9:30 PM
@Cicada Well, I'm surprised you're still surprised.
 
sbi
@Cicada You have identity issues, daughter.
 
@Cicada Oh, but in a good way then. Also, no vomiting.
 
Give this man a medal already.
 
Xeo
@notch I may have accidentally cleaned your desk. I was cleaning my own, and then suddenly there was collateral damage.
Reminds me of this ^
 
@Cicada Two
 
sbi
9:31 PM
@sehe If you didn't vomit, why did you clean the kitchen?
 
Also there are these guys proud of "vomiting, but not on my shoes!" facepalm.rar
 
@sbi You have obviously never seen the kitchen of that 'dorm'/student home :)
@DeadMG I wasn't going to. That header is a complete AWOL, so it's end-of-the-road anyway. I just fixed the missing boost lib (you obviously forgot to mention it) and the missing #include <array>. That's all I 're-invested'.
Also, I'm not into graphics programming, so I wouldn't know where to begin tossing things out :)
 
What are some guidelines and / or methodologies that are used to determine a good Object / Class model for an application? Any pointers? Or should I just go find a good book that discusses OO design?
 
@Xeo Same gist
 
@JimNorton That's horribly vague!
 
9:34 PM
@sehe It depends on Boost?
 
@DeadMG Yeah, you know, boost/pool/object_pool.hpp is generally considered part-of boost :)
 
@Cicada Vague? Seems straight forward to me.
 
@sehe Didn't realize I had that in there.
 
@JimNorton Well think again!
There are many many ways of modelling the very same problem.
 
sbi
Well, lady and gentlemen, this was a nice little chat tonight, I appreciate your efforts to entertain me. As a way to thank you, here's a baby octopus for you.
 
9:36 PM
@Cicada That's my point... what are the common ways of coming up with good class / object designs?
 
@DeadMG in Sim::Context: boost::object_pool<Unit, boost::default_user_allocator_new_delete> UnitPool;
 
Xeo
@sbi I thought that was snot at first.
 
sbi
Nightie!
 
Xeo
g'night
 
Sleep well
 
9:36 PM
@JimNorton Use cases? I don't know really - I don't work on big projects, no more than 10-20k SLOC, so design is never a problem
Night daddy!
 
@sehe Hm. Oh well. I'll cut that later.
 
@DeadMG ^ real life challenge? Break the code, win a prize
 
Ell
does anyone know how I can get opera to search xpath on the actual source, not the generated DOM?
 
@JimNorton The standard generalization is to write a high-level description of the project. The major nouns in that description are your top-level objects, and the verbs are their member functions/methods.
 
@sehe Not intrested
 
9:39 PM
Ctrl-F3, then use any XPath capable editor you know of.
I didn't know Opera could do that. You mean, in DragonFly?
 
Ell
@sehe I don't know? I just right clicked and did inspect element
 
Off to bed. Nightie.
 
@Ell That's dragonfly. Cf. firebug, IE Dev Toolbar, etc.
@Cicada Sleep well
 
@JerryCoffin Thank you for that tip Jerry.
 
Ell
right
Can't I get dragonfly to do it without the generated one? or do I have to use an external tool?
 
9:41 PM
@Ell I'd say use an external tool. Though, you might have more lcuk via the resources tab. Chances are it shows the original text
 
@sehe If the prize was books by, say, Stephenson, I'd probably have broken it by now. Given that it's books by Gibson, and I don't have a fireplace I can throw them into, I'd rather not win.
 
@JerryCoffin The prize is books?! <barf/>
 
@sehe "The first person to successfully crack the code will win a copy of every William Gibson book ever published (except Agrippa). "
 
Ell
oh dayum. Can I use xPaths if the html is invalid?
 
9:44 PM
Isn't XPath tool for querying XML?
Because HTML is not XML.
 
@JerryCoffin I haven't seen the page yet. I'm not overly interested. Sometimes I just channel stuff I think might interest others.
Much like sbi with his funny pics of creatures
 
Ell
yeah, but I'm using it on html :L
 
@RMartinhoFernandes XHTML
 
Ell
@RMartinhoFernandes would you rather me use regexs? ;)
 
@sehe Well, that's something else :P
 
9:44 PM
@RMartinhoFernandes Also, dragonfly will probably parse transitional HTML into XHTML for the DOM
@Ell That called for a joke I don't feel comfortable making. So, sorry...
(made the backspace key happy though)
 
@Ell Trade something that won't work for something that won't work either?
You need to make it XHTML first. HTML allows things XML doesn't.
 
@Ell you probably need an HTML parser. Given the nature of HTML (the standard bans certain things, then specifies how you're required to interpret them anyway) it's open to question whether being well-formed HTML is required or not.
 
Ell
hmm I wonder if there is a ruby gem to do that
 
Or use some kind of CSS selector library.
 
Ell
meh I'll just mine another site with valid xhtml :l
 
9:50 PM
Just so you can parse it with XPath? WTF.
That sounds terribly like over-engineering.
 
@RMartinhoFernandes Well, if the goal is to learn XPath I'd say that is a valid approach. Not many porn sites use XHTML, though
 
Ell
@RMartinhoFernandes why? xpath is easy to use
 
Oh well, in that case, maybe.
But parsing your own site sounds ridiculous.
 
Ell
I'm trying to parse serebii.net, to make a pokédex :P
 
@RMartinhoFernandes 'own site'?
5 mins ago, by Ell
meh I'll just mine another site with valid xhtml :l
 
9:54 PM
Oh fuck it.
Can I start excusing myself with "I'm sleepy" at 23:00?
 
Sure
 
I read "I'll just make (...)"
So, I'm deeply sorry.
 
Xeo
@RMartinhoFernandes Robots don't get sleepy
 
Power saver mode.
 
So, when you see 'mine' you automatically insert 'make'?
A devious preoccupation with appropriating things :)
 
9:56 PM
"C++98, C++03 or C++11"? I always thought there was only C++ and C++11 only lol — Futago-za Ryuu 3 hours ago
lol
 
Anybody here use Pyramid? If so, what do you think about it?
 
flump
 
Or will I just get flagged to death for talking about a python web app framework?
 
Jim, I enjoyed my time with Web2Py
 
@DeadMG flubblewuggle
 
9:58 PM
@Drise Never heard of it, will look into it.
 
I wrote the post. Anyone wants to review for Engrish?
 

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