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8:00 AM
http://stackoverflow.com/questions/1790456/is-there-any-circumstance-in-which-calling-enterwritelock-on-a-readerwriterlocks/1790530#1790530
http://stackoverflow.com/questions/261873/c-sharp-httprequest-and-different-encodings/261878#261878
You usually don't see Jon Skeet getting flagged unless it's for "too many comments"
 
8:11 AM
They are old answers. Perhaps even from before comments were introduced.
 
@StackedCrooked That's what I'm thinking too.
 
why should jon skeet be immune to flags?
 
@bamboon He's not. I just didn't expect to see one of his posts in the flag queue.
 
73
A: Will using `goto` leak variables?

Lightness Races in OrbitWarning: This answer pertains to C++ only; the rules are quite different in C. Won't x be leaked? No, absolutely not. It is a myth that goto is some low-level construct that allows you to override C++'s built-in scoping mechanisms. (If anything, it's longjmp that may be prone to this.) ...

^ finally someone who knows what he's talking about
 
@FredOverflow Woah, last time I saw that it was barely at 50 votes.
And that was before he rage quit.
 
8:25 AM
> In short, Stack Overflow has disappointed me, and I don't feel that it's worth my time any more. I'm not the first, and I won't be the last.
oh :(
lol, his avatar is a woman? I never noticed before.
 
And mine is from a woman from an Anime... lol
 
> I will no longer be checking or using this account.
> seen 2 days ago
euh?
 
lol
He was really pissed off when he left.
Upset at the amount of shit questions on SO.
 
yeah
@Mysticial it is a fact that there a lot of those
 
yep
 
8:29 AM
@Mysticial like i++ + ++i or what?
 
>90% of the questions are crap.
@FredOverflow Not those. But rather extremely localized debugging questions.
 
Is that tag related? I find more than 10% of the C++ questions enjoyable (I think).
 
yeah, some people seem to mistake SO as some sort of encyclopaedia. It's not. It's a place for people to ask questions, no matter how stupid they may seem to those in the know
 
@FredOverflow I also have C and Java on my watch list.
 
I only browse regularly.
 
8:31 AM
There are web sites out there to provide a source of 'faultless' knowledge, SO is not it. People come here to ask for help with there silly mistakes, or obscure problems
 
Maybe I should learn Javascript... And cash in on some of those ridiculous questions. :P
 
lol
learn Android
then you can cash in on those silly questions
 
@TonyTheLion Wrong end of the spectrum.
 
And it's not like you'd need to know a LOT of javascript either:
http://stackoverflow.com/tags/javascript/hot?filter=year
@TonyTheLion But yeah, one of my classmates answers Android questions... And he complains all the time - they're all shit.
and never get any upvotes
 
8:39 AM
(first time in SO chat) are there better sites out there where the content is all higher quality though? compare the questions on cplusplus.com and here - here you find a lot of really interesting topics, and those that aren't just get downvoted into oblivion
there...pretty much just homework requests
 
Not saying hello for a first timer is like, a bad start.
 
hello :)
 
SO has its advantages and disadvantages. It's like the wikipedia for Q&A. Maybe you'll find an answer to your question, but it might be wrong
Like anything, you just take it with a grain of salt
 
...see now my underlying fear or rejection has been affirmed, nobody said hi back!
you set me up cicada
 
@Rollie Now you've met @Cicada.
 
8:41 AM
Jun 29 at 10:37, by thecoshman
If you are new here, please read the newbie hints and keep the acronym list under your pillow. Thank you.
 
@Rollie Welcome to the internet.
 
thanks, i just downloaded aol 15.0. it's up to 8x faster than aol 14.0
 
@Cicada hmm... what a riddle, something like a bad start...
 
Oh well. I'm known for being annoying.
 
@Neil granted, grain of salt anywhere but...is there a better alternative?
 
8:45 AM
really? I find you to be one of the least annoying people, never had the slightest urge to plonk you. Though, I always take your jibes to be light harted, they don't feel like you are trying to be mean
 
@Rollie An alternative to a grain of salt? How about a drop of soy sauce?
 
@thecoshman Either you're being uber ironic either um.
 
perhaps carefully placed on a well prepared piece of toro sushi?
 
Well I don't know. I do think I annoy people.
 
@Cicada ... or the competition here is just awfully tough. ;)
 
8:47 AM
@Cicada It's not your fault nobody likes the French.
 
Surprise! I'm actually editing this message for the 10th time.
 
You're polish? That's why your avatar looks so polished!
 
wah wah wah
 
@Cicada not being ironic or sarcastic at all. Your 'trolling' ways do not annoy me, but then, you never seem to get too far with them. Some people have got on my tits, and I have just given up with them an plonked them
 
@Cicada Now you're just being annoying :p
 
8:49 AM
@thecoshman tits. wat.
 
Man tits.
 
@Cicada Moobs
 
@StackedCrooked Where tits is a Linux command.
 
Well my points of view tend to be very sharp on certain topic - actually they're not, but I like pretending so - and they offend plenty of people lol.
 
@Cicada to get on ones tits is to have annoyed them
 
8:50 AM
@Mysticial That joke was done two weeks ago!
 
@Mysticial Lol.
 
@Cicada but again, compared to most people here, it comes across as pretty mild ;)
 
@Cicada the only strong point of view I have seen from you is your dislike of the porn industry, but let's not flog that dead horse any more
 
Hey, it works! I made something that works!
 
> Nigga sarang haneun naneun sorry I’m a bad boy
@jalf What is it!
 
8:52 AM
@jalf you just haven't found that it's broken yet
 
One the scale of annoyance there are a few here that jump out way further than you.
 
@thecoshman Well. I did make a pun on "Mormonism" => "Moronism"
And I got a "that's rude"
:(:(:(:(:(
 
@Cicada Adapted our VNC server to support websockets, connected to it with a browser, and fixed up Flash emulation to handle browsers which don't support websockets
 
@Cicada I see what you did there, only took me 10 seconds :D I feel like I can read
 
So you've got a VNC client in a browser ?
 
8:53 AM
@Cicada yup
 
Neat!
 
well, most of the browser work was already done for us in NoVNC. Most of the work has been in making our server handle it
and then a few tweaks here and there on the browser-side
but yeah, pretty neat
 
Jul 5 '11 at 17:57, by StackedCrooked
Ok, I'll try to stop being annoying now.
It's a common trait around here.
 
Still plenty of work left to do on it, but it's nice when you actually get pixels on the screen.
 
@Cicada is that five sad faces, or four happy faces, with a hat on top and some sort of nipples beneath?
 
8:56 AM
coulda gone w/eyes of a person out of view. might as well bring nipples back tho right
...oddly placed nipples
2
 
out of context comments are always fun :D
 
.. I hate STL..
 
It's OK since you're going to die anyway. I just don't remember how.
 
@jalf Hey :) Have you had the time to read my email yet?
 
@ManofOneWay oh yeah, sorry, forgot to answer it. Will send you an email in 10 mins
 
9:08 AM
morning
 
@jalf No problem, thanks!
 
@Cicada you quite into CUDA right?
 
Sadly.
 
I got some questions
 
Run away while you still can.
 
9:10 AM
are you doing it on linux or windows?
 
Both but more much more linux
 
is it true, that you need some old version of gcc?
 
Depends on which CUDA version you use, but yes.
 
oh that's lame
 
Well it's not a problem, you can just symlink to an old version of gcc and it works.
 
9:12 AM
yeah
 
Or use CUDA5 that works with clang.
 
with any clang?
 
I'm not sure - CUDA5 is still very early and I personnally don't use it much
 
do anyone know any advantages of using macros in c++ rather than inline functions?
 
@Kasnel Yes. Reducing the population on Earth by murdering people who use the former.
 
9:14 AM
ok, and what is that one-compilation-unit thingy?
 
@Cicada :(
 
@bamboon OH THAT FUCKING THING
Well basically, prior to CUDA5, nvcc (the CUDA compiler frontend) does not come with a linker, so everything must be in the same compilation unit.
With CUDA5 there is a linker, on which I ranted quite a bit for the last few days here.
I'm still fighting with it.
It's bleeding edge, really.
 
sbi
Just to feed (ha!) the bacon frenzy, apparently Anna found Bacon Marmelade:
 
@Cicada so basically one big Xk lines file? or does that only count for the kernel call stuff
 
@bamboon Not necessarily, you can have as many files as you want, but all the implementations must be visible by all the others (as in, include everything, even the implementations).
It's like working with templates defined in a separate file you know. Usually you would #include the .cpp (or .inl).
 
9:19 AM
@Cicada ok, any other negative things you don't like about CUDA?
 
Yes. It's a horrible mix of very high and very low level.
It's not mature yet.
@sbi Some people are insane.
 
sbi
@Cicada You say!?
 
@sbi There's bacon flavored beer too, if you were interested
 
@sbi I type.*
 
sbi
> 'You've earned the "badges" badge.' That's so Meta. meta.stackoverflow.com/badges/94/badgesBill The Lizard
 
9:24 AM
@Cicada so, after a few months of chat, you have gone from a nice relaxed happy looking avatar, to an 'all out of fucks' avatar :P
 
congrats!
 
@thecoshman whaaaaaaat??
 
@Cicada in your new avatar, you have a look of some one who is all out of fucks to give. Your old one you looked ready to take on the world
 
PEBKAC
 
sbi
@Rollie Thanks. Usually, I only consider bacon an optional ingredient to scrambled eggs.
 
9:26 AM
in a very cheery way
 
Well my hair was horrible in the other avatar. It looks much better now <3
The old one was the female version of sbi.
More or less.
 
@Cicada your other one has a sort of glow to it, looked nicer IMO
@Cicada hardly, you looked smiley in it :P
 
> Implying my new hair looks bad
 
uh oh
 
@Cicada not as nice :P
is it just the photo, or does it have a subtle pink tint to it?
 
9:28 AM
It has <3
Because I'm hipster like that.
 
sbi
@Cicada Not grumpy enough. By far.
 
@sbi I'm not even trying to compete.
 
sbi
Also, the old one looked better. By far. Someone has to tell the truth, even if it hurts.
 
@sbi I think the species is a bigger problem :P
 
chat: I need help with my question about the Java entry point thingy
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Q: Why a static main method in Java and C#, rather than a constructor?

Konrad RudolphWhy did (notably) Java and C# decide to have a static method as their entry point – rather than representing an application instance by an instance of an Application class, with the entry point being an appropriate constructor which, at least to me, seems more natural? I’m interested in a defini...

 
sbi
9:29 AM
@thecoshman Specicist!
 
@sbi hardly, I am just pointing out that a human is not a gorilla
 
Looking at Loki’s comment, I’m getting around to the idea that my premise was actually false. So should I just delete the question and thus destroy the discussion? Or leave it open and continually take flak for it?
 
and that I consider the species mismatch to be a bigger inconsistency then the emotion portrayed
 
It reminds me of the question that yesterday popped up
 
yesterday popped up a question?
 
9:32 AM
@sbi Well it didn't hurt so you must be lying.
@KonradRudolph Loki's comment makes sense indeed.
 
Ah good morning
 
@KonradRudolph take the flak, like a man!
 
@KonradRudolph as always, ask Loki to write it as an answer and accept it
 
@Cicada Yes, it totally does. Actually, other people hat the same (or very similar) arguments before, they just didn’t argue them as well, so I remained unconvinced before
 
@sbi To be honest, I liked the old one better too. I like 'au naturel' looks.
Somehow the new avatar shows more signs of 'dangerousness', which somehow seems appropriate :)
 
9:34 AM
@ecatmur Not really possible, since I explicitly stated in the question that I’d only accept an authoritative source
@ecatmur Loki doesn’t actually answer the question, though to speak, he just invalidates the premise
 
Honestly, considering how Java and more particularly C# designers seem to have very well thought the language, there must be a very valid reason for this choice. Loki's suggestion may be it.
I'm glad nobody likes my new pic - one more reason to keep it :)
 
I'd argue that the answer is that a console application doesn't fit OO - you can't write true as an object
 
@Cicada I would object to the qualification of Java as “well thought” ;)
 
@Cicada I was just in the middle of asking if you would consider changing it back :P
 
@KonradRudolph Hence the "more particularly"
 
9:36 AM
@KonradRudolph so change the question to "prefer" an authoritative source :)
 
@Cicada Oh, you were fishing for compliments?
 
@KonradRudolph oh of course! I forget about that thing women do :P
 
@KonradRudolph In a room where everyone lives for porn? Please.
 
@Cicada your shirt looks to be a very pleasing shade of grey
 
@Cicada That's the part I like about your new pic :)
@Cicada Hey, don't exclude me
 
9:40 AM
@Cicada well if you intended the picture to be porny, you failed. That may be a good thing. Also, I think you mischaracterise the room just sliightly there …
@thecoshman How many shades of grey?
 
@KonradRudolph huh?
 
forget it
 
oooh, like the book, I get ya :P
 
anyway, nice picture, @Cicada
 
@KonradRudolph What. I didn't intend to be porny @_@
Also, exaggeration is key.
Always generalize. It offends more people. Right? :)
 
9:42 AM
I'm pretty sure there is a limit to that.
 
@Cicada that's just because blonds need to keep things simple
 
@Cicada Uh, that would appear to be a tad of an exaggeration.
 
@DeadMG You think?
 
@DeadMG FYI, cicada enjoys trolling :P
 
user457812
All people are stupid and ugly.
 
9:43 AM
"Every single human since the birth of Alexander the Great has been a complete moron" isn't likely to deeply offend many people. Well, except, perhaps, for some morons :)
 
@sehe because you lack logical fallacies
You have to be more subtle.
 
I know.
 
Look how I succeeded.
 
I am.
 
glory
 
9:44 AM
@Cicada ... hole
 
Yeah, I don't have the time to play :) The kids have summer holiday, so I'll rather be doing other stuff.
@thecoshman You know you've spent too much time watching too much internet porn too frequently when the first thing that enters your mind after seeing "glory" is "hole"
 
I may be missing something there.
Not sure I want to know what.
 
My instinctive response to 'glory' is 'halleluja'
 
@Cicada you don't know what a 'glory hole' is?
 
@Cicada Don't play dumb :)
 
9:46 AM
What.
 
¬_¬ a hole, often in toilet cubical walls, through which a man can... 'perform' ... anonymously
 
Riiiiiight. Charming!
 
@thecoshman you make it sound like something that really exists. I mean this should go right next to the definition of elfs and fairies
 
:D
you're welcome!
shut up with your corrections >:(
 
@KonradRudolph Although when you think about it, creating an Application object doesn't seem too infeasible. Problem is, how do you define its behavior without making it an exception to all the object system?
 
9:50 AM
@KonradRudolph in languages where you start by constructing and object what happens with reference counting that object? It's not something silly where keeping the object alive artificially is unexpected behaviour? You'd end up encouraging people to do heavy work (sleeping in an event loop?) inside their constructor which isn't ideal
 
@sehe They do really exist.
 
@Cicada It’s not hard at all. But Loki is right to question the logic of executing the whole application in a constructor. More logical would be to subclass an Application abstract base class (or Runnable), and override a run method or something (like you already do with threads)
 
I have seen people where they do the following class App{ App(){ /* main stuff */ } void main(){ App(); } }
 
@KonradRudolph It is. For example, your Application base class is already flawed. What do you do in the constructor? Destructor?
When is the Application GCed?
 
@DeadMG Where
 
9:53 AM
@Cicada What is hard about it? The app is GCed when the constructor exists – basically, the application loader (which currently calls main) would look like this:
new Application();
not hard, just not very logical
then again, let’s come back to the example of threads, which are essentially executed in a similar way, just replacing the constructor with a call to run.
 
And what happens in the constructor?
 
@KonradRudolph event loop inside constructor is painful design though
 
@Cicada Well, everything of course.
@Flexo Why?
 
Bad bad bad.
 
@Cicada calling your main function :P
 
9:55 AM
@KonradRudolph it has nothing to do with constructing the object
 
A constructor should as much as possible have a short duration.
 
Oh, let's be gentle with the ape:
Another day starts with me seeing the backlights of the bus I was supposed to catch, but missed by 20secs. Day 1, me 0.
 
(short duration compared to the lifetime of the object)
 
@Flexo yes, that I agree with. Like I said, Loki convinced me. But it’s not a technical challenge.
@Cicada That argument, on the other hand, doesn’t convince me at all. It’s just dogma, no reasons given.
 
Also, what happens if you new Application() in your own code?
@KonradRudolph Indeed, but it seems natural. I would avoid a constructor that never exits.
 
9:56 AM
with Java at least I can trivially write my own thing using JNI with any semantics I care for
 
@Cicada I kill you. Same thing that happens when you call main in C++.
 
@KonradRudolph So, you're introducing an exception in the language design :( As I said earlier.
 
I forget, how does Java know on which class to call the .main() function?
 
@Cicada Not really, no. Let the user call new Application. No need to forbid it, or enforce it. It’s not like this would happen accidentally.
 
Okay. What happens next?
 
9:58 AM
@thecoshman It doesn’t, every class in your application can act as entry point, you need to specify the entry point when invoking a Java application
 
UB? C# hates UB.
 
@Cicada Doesn’t even have to be UB, could be perfectly legal
 
@KonradRudolph oh right, so when you start Java, you tell it on which class to call the .main()
 
@KonradRudolph For the third time, what happens next
 

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