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5:00 PM
Woah. I didn't catch the comment that had the N-word. But yeah, better not pour more fuel into the fire.
 
Kek.
 
It was just an example of how censoring the N-word doesn't stop racism
 
And you couldn't do that without using the bad word in an already sensitive discussion?
 
Does n*ger, nigger, n-word really make any difference
The reader knows exactly what I'm talking about
 
No, but there's betters words to choose to sub in for those too.
 
5:03 PM
Such as?
 
See: black people, dark-skinned people, or anything you can come up with using a thesaurus.
 
But the point was that the bad word was censored
Not some politically correct version of it
 
Yeah this is the funny thing about slurs
The word is used, then turned into a slur, so the new politically correct term is invented, which later gets used as a slur, and we run full circle
 
Well, here's the thing. You're in a community where people -- sometimes people with an axe to grind or an agenda -- will immediately take offense to those words if they're not pretty-fied.
It's the same reason SEHE DOESN'T LIKE ME DOING THIS ALL THE TIME.
 
Oh boy here we go
Am I going to get banned in here too?
 
5:07 PM
Whether all caps or using the PC term for something, people value decorum.
 
Discord or death
 
I guess
I really liked coming back here though
Nostalgia and all
 
wake up and smell the #disgust
 
I don't know, I've always found censored words like f*ck to be stupid
I mean, we all know what is says, we are all able to fill in the blanks
 
Banning a word means that, overall, it appears less, censored or no.
The usage of repwhore in comments is going to go down, which at the end of the day contributes to the final goal.
 
5:11 PM
but new terms will spawn
It's not like help vampire is any better
 
rep vampire
 
or rep leech
 
or rep chaser
 
I guess "leech" is more gender and sexual neutral
 
(cf. skirt chaser)
 
5:12 PM
Vampire could be associated with the gay community :P
It's a joke
I'm joking
 
People will always find words to communicate their distaste for things. But by doing this, you make it so that only the most dedicated individuals who devote time to fishing out a thesaurus to do so will actually get on it.
 
It's a Twilight joke
 
It's obviously not a cure for the problem -- people using mean words -- but if you ever figure out how to do that, well, please let me know when your Nobel Peace Prize award ceremony will be held.
 
The bad words are not the issue really
I might agree that "whore" is a little bit too much
But the underlying issue is that rep whores exist and reign on SO
 
I don't know about that.
 
5:15 PM
And calling them out was the only satisfaction we had
 
Most high-rep users I see aren't really still desperately clamoring for rep.
 
Mostly because there are no other means to punish that behaviour at the moment
@ThePhD repwhores are not people that care about rep
repwhores are people that are obsesses about reputation to the point of discarding what the community or the website wants in order to gain rep
examples are: those that answer topics that are duplicated ad nauseam
incentivising newbies to ask more duplicates
and other people to answer to them
 
user50049
@Shoe I've seen 14 year olds climb to 30k by answering obvious dupes. I don't deny that it exists. But I really want to stop calling people whores :) That's just .. not a nice thing to do to anyone.
 
or: getting edits on all major topics on doc.so and farm rep caps ad nauseam
 
user50049
And @Shoe - I'm working on the cause of it too.
 
5:18 PM
cause of what exactly? the message is not a direct reply to a specific message
 
user50049
The incentive to do things that are good for you, but not necessarily good for the resource itself, or even actively bad.
 
Well, many solutions have been proposed already over the years
I think the most popular one is to remove rep from questions closed for specific reasons
all have been ignored AFAIK
 
user50049
Yeah, I know, I proposed a few too some years back. We're going to be taking a pretty hard look at it in the rather near future.
 
I think part of it is that the tools to handle such things -- close votes etc. -- are in the hands of high rep users. You can't really expect a low rep user to care about wanting to clean up the community if they don't have the power to do so and there's no incentive to hold back.
 
@TimPost Sorry if I'm a little bit disillusioned about it. But good for you.
Good luck
 
user50049
5:21 PM
@Shoe Not ignored, it's just a problem with a considerable amount of breadth from a product standpoint. Stack Overflow already has a ton of unwritten rules that people discover only after everyone having a bad experience. I'll be posting on MSE to consolidate the ideas so far, where we think we might actually be able to do something, and then seeing what holes folks can poke in it.
 
user50049
Well, the rules are written .. somewhere :) The UI doesn't make them very obvious.
 
To be fair, the problem SE is trying to solve is not easy to solve. I don't think it's as simple as removing rep from closed questions. It's a tough problem, and I wouldn't want to be in SE's situation right now.
 
user50049
@Shoe It's okay :)
 
user50049
@Mysticial You want to make something very accessible, easy to use, and of higher quality than anyone has ever seen. That's .. yeah, hard :)
 
@Mysticial With the possible exception of doc.SO, how else would you repwhore?
 
5:24 PM
@TimPost TBH, you guys have already accomplished all of that. There's no precedent for the problems that exist now because nobody has been here before.
 
user50049
You have to learn PHP first.
 
lol
 
Xeo
Btw, I described @Mysticial, @AndyProwl and KerrekSB as repwhores in the past. But they were just answering a lot of good questions, not necessarily dupes, and with good answers.
For me, "repwhore" is just someone that plays the rep-game well
But I guess that meaning changed over time, maybe
 
Accessible - Yes. Anybody who knows how to Google will come straight here.
Easy to use - Yes to outsiders just looking for an answer. But terrible for new users. (Good enough since most of the traffic is from outsiders without an account anyway)
Higher Quality than elsewhere - Believe it or not. Yes again to outsiders coming in from Google. But terrible for insiders who are exposed to everything.
TBH, an outsider won't become aware of SO's problems until they actually create an account to ask a question.
 
user50049
@Xeo It isn't immediately obvious to newcomers that the use of "whore" is meant in a benign-but-kinda-sardonic way. And if you're called a whore because of your personal style, or any other reason, well - that hurts. It's better to just say what's meant, which is in it for the rep with disregard to the value of the site.
 
5:29 PM
@TimPost Didn't that use of the word originate elsewhere?
 
That's a mouthful
IIFTRWDTTVOTS: at the very least let's make it an acronym
 
user50049
@Shoe You have to eat the really small version of alphabet soup. Then it's no more than a spoonful or so.
 
user50049
@Mysticial It did, I think both on Slashdot and Reddit.
 
user50049
(but it had a more 'karmic' ring to it)
 
user50049
I'm pretty sure we called Roland far worse on Slashdot.
 
5:32 PM
oh look who it is
tinkertim himself
 
> I write a bit of C-style C++ at work
@KobyBecker Why though
 
Because sometimes it's all your coworkers understand.
 
@Shoe answer questions about obscure CPU mechanics
 
having been in the situation where I've taken a hundred thousand LoC server and trimmed it down by THOUSANDS of lines by using a few more advanced C++ techniques,
but then had my work rejected because the people maintaining it did not understand the code, even when i commented it,
 
were those techniques "abstraction"
 
5:35 PM
Did you like TMP the shit out of the codebase?
 
I can assure you that it's not always personal choice.
There was some TMP, but most of it was just overloading.
 
your job is your personal choice
 
No real SFINAE and stuff either.
 
I don't think my code at work was ever rejected in a way I disagreed with.
 
But yeah.
Some houses just don't want your stuff if it's deemed too fancy.
Granted, there was some satisfaction.
"I like the code and I can see how using it saves us a lot of work but I just don't understand what you've written."
So it's not like they tried to cheese me about it. They were honest that they didn't get it and were not sure they had the time to learn.
And I'm not a good teacher, so. vOv
 
5:38 PM
@ThePhD I am not sure yet what do I think about this, but it's an interesting problem.
 
It's really just about the Bus Factor.
If it looks like you need someone of High Skill™ to maintain the code, it's just something that some shops aren't up for.
I'm hoping one day I can just get hired to an advanced shop where stuff like that is okay.
Or if I get hired to work on a language I'm not familiar with, so I'm not feeling like I have to screw up what I write to make it work.
 
Ven
I sometimes get some code refused/criticized because I added a special case in a contained environment rather than add a whole mechanism/"
 
my colleagues criticise my code all the time
they whine endlessly about whether "length" is better than "duration" for audio
 
Ven
indirection" over it. I.e. We had something to load authenticators, and I had a "load lib if contains X"
 
then ask for more time for their work because they did not finish
 
5:45 PM
Is your place a C++ shop, Puppy?
 
no
 
Ven
holy fuck mobile interface go fuck yourself
And my colleague said I didn't understand high-level architecture and how to engineer code. His solution was to add a map of callbacks that were called by name and registered in some other area -_-
remember kids, it's not engineering if it's not overengineered.
 
6:04 PM
back, finished upgrading to ssd
 
well, for the movie with such a great cast, I'm a bit disappointed
The plot was decent, but the overall production was so-so
@ThePhD Just a friendly tip: those places often require a relatively high degree of professionalism
btw @Shoe those guys on ELU are literally language lawyers
 
6:20 PM
@BartekBanachewicz ELU?
 
Englihs lernerzz
I need to buy a suit
 
@BartekBanachewicz he he
I see that someone come on that question and downvoted everything
 
@TimPost I have to kind of disagree. The only people who feel particularly hurt by it are those who know it's (at least largely) true.
 
also man did WikiLeaks get bad
 
6:32 PM
and you!
I feel ambivalent about myself and my life
 
Ven
Better be polyvalent
 
Versatile.
 
Ven
Hi Morwenn :3
 
What's up? :p
Color Ocean Road is better than what I expected.
 
user1804599
6:55 PM
I'm going to Ridderkerk tomorrow \o/
 
Ven
Currently traveling by car. Bored to death...
 
user1804599
don't chat and drive you idiot
 
user1804599
it's life endangering
 
currently on laptop at home.. bored post mortem
 
I learnt there will be a psytrance festival in Brittany next month.
 
7:18 PM
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Q: Is it OK to use toothpaste instead of thermal paste when fitting a CPU?

RichieACCI was told many years ago to do this by someone who at the time knew more than I did. The CPU was a celeron in the Pentium 2 era. It ran cooler with the toothpaste between the chip and the heatsink than what it did with nothing between. Has anyone else ever heard of or tried this? What were t...

No idea if this would work to be honest, but at least your CPU would be protected against plaque build-up and gingivitis. — Kez Jan 29 '10 at 12:16
The other question to consider is whether you can brush your teeth with thermal paste. That would be good for teeth.stackexchange.com... — Dan Rosenstark Jan 29 '10 at 11:57
rofl
 
lol
 
I'm looking at __has_include for C++17 and wondering how it could make converting from the <experimental/foo> to <foo> almost seamless.... For instance, <optional>. How would one go about doing this? This is what I have in mind, but it obviously doesn't quite work... coliru.stacked-crooked.com/a/a2fa091876201a39 . Not sure what's a clean way to do it
 
@fredoverflow The top comment is right. Windows needs to be activated on that specific set of hardware. If you activate it now with toothpaste, the activation won't be valid when you switch it to thermal paste.
 
7:31 PM
Guess I could do something like this, but it feels despicable coliru.stacked-crooked.com/a/b696af76e6e5f8e6
 
nwp
@BartekBanachewicz what do I do when my browser bar looks like this?
 
7:51 PM
TIL that the Pope has an official Twitter account in Arabic.
Also in a bunch of other languages.
But I first found out about Arabic.
 
8:21 PM
maybe if he has to translate his tweets into a hundred languages for a million years, he'll give back a tiny fraction of his church's wealth
 
8:53 PM
Hey guys! The reason why destructors of base classes must be virtual is so that there could be an appropriate entry in the vtable, and then the calling code could follow that entry down to the Derived class's destructor, and therefore delete the whole object, right?

As in:
Base* b = new Derived; delete b;
I know that, if the destructor is not virtual, the object is only half destroyed. I'm trying to figure out the language rule logic behind this.
 
But only when you're using polymorphism
786
Q: When to use virtual destructors?

LodleI have a solid understanding of most OO theory but the one thing that confuses me a lot is virtual destructors. I thought that the destructor always gets called no matter what and for every object in the chain. When are you meant to make them virtual and why?

 
Yeah. But does my explanation make sense? Or is there a different rule behind it?
 
Every destructor down gets called no matter what. virtual makes sure it starts at the top instead of the middle. – Mooing Duck Jun 29 '13 at 0:32
 
@Mikhail Aiight exactly what I asked. Thanks!
 
@nwp not sure what you mean
 
8:57 PM
@EnnMichael With that example, if the destructor isn't virtual, then only the destructor of Base will run. That can be bad depending on your situation.
 
nwp
@BartekBanachewicz too much c++
not important
 
@EnnMichael That's because with a non virtual method, the call is resolved at compile time, using an object's static type, which is Base here because b is a Base*.
 
@rene So you advocate breaking laws as well? What's going on here!? Total anarchy! In the UAE of all places — SnakeDoc 1 min ago
^^ @Borgleader Read the whole comment thread.
 
user1804599
@fredoverflow I use steel wool instead of thermal paste
 
user1804599
It conducts heat very well
 
user1804599
9:07 PM
My CPU idles at 30°!
 
user1804599
Diamond appears to be a super good material for this
 
user1804599
Except it is very expensive
 
1969: We put a man on the Moon 2016: We put a touchscreen on a vape https://t.co/YsgUXPLsVF
 
@EtiennedeMartel To be more accurate, it's flat-out undefined behaviour.
 
@Puppy Oh, right.
 
9:39 PM
@Shoe coding guidelines in team fixed in stone. Team is still using Visual C++ 2013, instead of the latest compiler tool set. Considering I'm colleagues with the people who write and maintain the compilers, IDE, OS and every other piece of software used at work, it's a bit bizzare
 
9:52 PM
upgrading VS is not a free maneuver
 
also CUDA still doesn't work with MSVC2015
I know many places that are still stuck on 2008
COM, ATL, thug life yo
 
ICC's parallel build is still broken after all these years.
Sometimes it works, other times it doesn't.
And given that ICC is already slow, it just makes it worse.
 
@Mysticial use incredibuild, maybe
 
MSVC2015 still can't do FMAs right.
GCC's restrict semantics are still broken. And so are their SSE/AVX intrinsic prototypes.
 
Xeo
I was confused for a second. FMA = animu for me.
 
10:12 PM
My CPU idles on 12 years old sherry!
 
@wilx Is "CPU" an euphemism for your brain, here?
 
@EtiennedeMartel Obviously. :)
 
Wait, did I just explain the joke? Fucking hell.
TGIF.
 
is @sehe gone?
 
@ChemiCalChems Maybe on vacation?
 
10:28 PM
@wilx possibly
 
@Borgleader
-13
Q: Please Help me with Javascript Program

Shibin Chrisby[Kindly check the program and answer me as quickly as possible] Problem : Logic Pyramid Identify the logic behind the series 6 28 66 120 190 276.... The numbers in the series should be used to create a Pyramid. The base of the Pyramid will be the widest and will start converging towards the...

 
nwp
10:53 PM
0
Q: I don't understand this "error" (C++)

Voltra NeoCan someone explain me what to do with this ? I'm completely lost. I personnaly think my syntax is good :/ Here's additional code error related to it.

 
@Mysticial cancer
 
nwp
Why the downvote? — David Grayson 59 secs ago
I want to reply "because you are rep-whoring", but I'm not supposed to do that anymore
what now?
 
Is that formally not allowed?
 
46
Q: It’s time to retire the term “rep-whore”

JaydlesGoing forward, “rep-whore” (and its derivatives) will be treated like any other term that’s inconsistent with the community’s “be nice” policy: it will be removed. It’s totally okay if you’ve used it in the past. Nobody’s judging the many users who’ve used it. And users will NOT start being s...

^^ yeah, that thing...
 
I was calling people rep whores when I had 200 rep. Man, the times are changing.
 
11:04 PM
That term isn't going away any time soon ban or no ban. It's like trying to ban the word, "the".
Not gonna happen.
Btw, that meta post is actually fairly controversial. It's currently +79/-33. And the "opposition" answer has more votes than the "official" answer that's accepted.
That accept mark is to pin the official answer at the top.
 
nwp
fun fact: you cannot link to here in a comment because the link contains the word whore. Good that the link title is optional.
 
Man I love what's happened to that question. References to repwhores, links to controversial meta posts, and work-arounds for comment filters. That's SO today all in one question.
And a help vampire OP that's completely oblivious to everything. Definitely all of SO in one question.
 
!Build status](‌​https://ci.appveyor.com/project/NuGetTeam/nuget-client)
 
Can't use the ! syntax
 
user406009
We clearly need to start using the term rep prostitute.
 
user406009
11:16 PM
Luckily the English dictionary contains many words for this use case.
 
user406009
Prostitute, whore, call girl, etc, etc.
 
nwp
or use shoe's acronym
 
20 hours ago, by Mysticial
^^ "rep-prostitute" is less offensive than "rep-whore".
 
nwp
6 hours ago, by Shoe
IIFTRWDTTVOTS: at the very least let's make it an acronym
kinda need an acronym for the acronym
 
Xeo
let's use "rep-WHR"
 
11:19 PM
RW.
 
fuck, I want to go home :-/
 
I think I might prefer the term "Site escort"
because they're escorting people in unfamiliar territory to the answer they want
(regardless of site rules and quality considerations)
(for currency)
 
11:57 PM
@Mysticial Oh my lord
@Mysticial I raise you:
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Q: When is c++ Preferable to JavaScript in Qt 5.7 for Performance?

Jason R. Micktl;dr version: Is there a benchmark or syntax examples of when (if ever) to use c++ instead of JS in Qt 5.7 and/or to define the performance of JS vs. c++ in Qt 5.7 confirming the latter is indeed faster as the Documentation for the project states. In-Depth Background I'm somewhat new to th...

 

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