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Ven
11:00 AM
Okay this Dear vs ByuL game was AMAZING.
fav PvZ this year
 
unfortunately I'm not familiar how it works in Western countries, something like the hate against "the commies" perhaps
but here in Russia hate against the west is real and it does avert people attention form domestic issues
 
Lynching the negros again.
 
@Abyx it's not the hate against the commies. It's the opposition of violence, totalitarian control, and everything that 1984 was supposed to show you how bad can be.
 
@R.MartinhoFernandes sort of
@BartekBanachewicz "lynching negros"
 
what
you're acting like 1984 was a book about a perfectly fine functioning society
 
11:02 AM
in USSR we said "they linch negros", in US they said " totalitarian control"
 
what
but you just praised it
you just literally said inciting hate in people is useful
 
@BartekBanachewicz gah, I only said that hate is an effective political tool
brb gotta eat
 
@Abyx how does it make it any less bad?
It's not about the east or the west or fucking antarctica
it's about basic human decency
 
fucking 5184 sectors reallocated
 
For chrissake, you were the one that brought 1984 up. The book illustrates everything that can go wrong with what you're saying are "useful tools"
 
11:04 AM
that's the 3rd hdd in a year...
 
It's not supposed to be an alternative way to make politics. It's supposed to be a huge warning sign.
 
is ssd more stable? may buy one
 
I would not even even more if I could even not more even.
 
@ChemiCalChems I got rid of my last hdd a while ago
 
11:09 AM
@BartekBanachewicz i remember my mom offered to buy me a new laptop
that is an option if it comes with a ssd
 
yo
 
@ChemiCalChems in laptops even more so
I can't imagine a laptop with a hdd now
 
@BartekBanachewicz i know, they suffer a lot of damage
 
it must be super weird
 
well, that's me
 
11:10 AM
it's almost like those disc drives we used in the past
 
i think that's the problem, i've fucking wasted 60 bucks already in this hdd
cause it's fucked
welp, let's research for laptops
 
Lenovo released a new non-pro series
they are, of course, like all non-pro models, called "Pro"
 
lol
 
but might be cheaper than actual proper laptops if you're going for the lower price tag
 
well, since my parents are paying, i'll see what i can do
 
11:14 AM
if they're paying then get an MBP vOv
 
but i've found a 240gb ssd for 68
so thats what i may go for if i have enough moeny
gonna check
 
Ell
If they're paying get a Razer
 
@Ell or that, yes
not sure if the newest blades are in europe yet though
they have a shitty habit of releasing them there months later
 
120 gigs can be shit...
i'm thinking on buying myself a cheap ass ssd
120 gigs
 
11:20 AM
120 isn't that much
 
i know
 
I got the 128 gig mbp but i kinda sorta wish i got the bigger one
 
yeah, i know
i mean, the only thing i use this computer for is to code, store about 15-20 gigs of music, and play tf and maybe even lol
so i'd still have a lot of space free
 
use spotify and save those 15-20 gigs
 
Ell
@ChemiCalChems don't bother with a really expensive one them IMO
No need to spend more money than you have to
 
11:22 AM
@Ell well, I don't mind having a 1GB/s drive
 
@Ell that's why i'm thinking on a mid sized ssd
i'm not going back to hdd though, waste of money
they are slow, and fucking suffer damage a bunch
 
hdds only make sense in server farms with huge replication
if you want one disk there's no reason to not buy an ssd
 
yeah
problem is, should i wait a couple of weeks and get a 240gb one or will 120gb be enough?
 
512GiB SSD or bust.
 
@ChemiCalChems is that your only machine?
 
11:25 AM
@BartekBanachewicz yes
 
the bigger the better
 
then I'd wait for 240
 
not only because it's bigger, but because it's often faster too
 
I have 128 in my laptop but I also have a workstation
 
@BartekBanachewicz look it's a tool. like a gun. guns were invented to harm people, but we use them.
 
11:26 AM
well, tbh i've used 63 gigs in this partition, and it's filled with files i don't use normally
 
@Abyx Does it make them or their use any less bad?
 
@BartekBanachewicz it makes hard to apply the word "bad"
 
@ChemiCalChems one thing is that you don't want your SSD filled up to the end, because it slows down then
@Abyx If you have basic human decency and morals, absolutely not.
Hurting other people is bad.
Allowing others to hurt other people is bad.
 
@BartekBanachewicz i'm not getting the ssd for speed, i want it for durability
 
@BartekBanachewicz are you 5 years old?
 
11:27 AM
hard drives aren't precisely hard
 
no, seriously how can you be so naive?
 
@Abyx why? Do you have to be a child to comprehend basic ideas of hurt?
@Abyx How can I be so naive as to what?
 
fuck, read only file system again
brb guys, gotta restart
 
Killing other people to prevent them from hurting more people is a sad necessity, but it's not good.
 
this is fucking shit
 
11:28 AM
It's still bad that we have to do it
 
i need the new drive now
 
This is something we should get rid of.
 
@BartekBanachewicz you have to be an adult to understand that it's normal to hurt and kill other people if there is a reason for that
@BartekBanachewicz it is good. people get medals for that
 
Ell
@ChemiCalChems it's the not the SSD, its the CPU
 
@Abyx Yes, and the reason is they wanting to hurt someone or hurting someone. It's a preventive measure. It's not supposed to incite violence
It's a reactive measure.
 
11:30 AM
@BartekBanachewicz preventive?
 
that too
 
quite a contradiction
 
> wanting to hurt someone or hurting someone.
@Abyx The only reason people do that is because the others would be far more dangerous.
Or, because they both hate each other, which you apparently praise as a political tool.
 
@BartekBanachewicz no that's not the only reason but it's all for good cause
 
@Abyx no, it's not.
If it's because you think your god is better, it's not a good cause.
If it's because you think your nation is better, it's not a good cause either.
 
11:32 AM
 
Inciting violence by nationalists only creates more violence
 
He's wronf. You don't have to be an adult to be a dick.
 
@BartekBanachewicz good for me but not good for you
 
Kids can be dicks too.
 
@Abyx How can that possibly be good to anyone
Are you suggesting we should routinely fight each other just for shits and giggles?
I mean I am starting to understand your viewpoint; if you think violence and death are perfectly fine and acceptable things to create then I get why you accept nationalism.
But that doesn't make me despise it any less, quite the contrary.
 
11:37 AM
@BartekBanachewicz it's good for you. your country participates in wars in places far away from you, and you live in a good stable country.
good to be a first-worlder
 
@Abyx Those two things are absolutely unrelated. My country participates in wars to allow other people also allow in good, stable countries.
 
@Ell no no, what i mean is that i'm going to buy an ssd for this laptop, cause the laptop works fine and does what i want it to do
but the hdd is fucked, again
its the 3rd hdd in a year
and i'm not buying another one
 
@Abyx If it's good, why do you accept things that actively oppose it?
 
good to have china where underpaid people make cheap stuff, good to have africa for cheap food
 
if i buy something, it's an ssd
 
11:39 AM
@Abyx No, I don't believe this is good.
As a matter of fact, I try to buy products made in Poland when I can.
 
@Abyx So now you're finally trolling him?
 
@BartekBanachewicz I apologize for what I gonna say, but you're a moron. Looks at Libya for fucks sake.
 
But Africa and China are just wealth inequality on a much bigger scale. And I'm pretty sure we've already established that wealth inequality isn't a good thing.
@Abyx And what am I exactly supposed to see there?
 
@R.MartinhoFernandes I'm saying that first-worlders are wealthy only because the other world suffer.
 
he's sounding like Telkitty
 
11:40 AM
@Abyx Funny, this one sentence lacks the word "good" in it.
 
soon he'll start sounding worse than Telkitty
 
@Abyx We'd be much more wealthy if the rest of the world was richer.
 
where is LRiO when you need him
 
@BartekBanachewicz lemme find a map
 
nwp
@BartekBanachewicz how is that not nationalistic?
 
11:41 AM
@AndyProwl kek
 
nwp
@Abyx economy is not a zero-sum-game
 
@nwp Oh, beautiful logic - buy products from Africa -> you're using the poor people there -> you don't care -> nationalism.
 
here we go
 
@nwp I think the idea is that you buy things made under terms that you agree with (i.e. not sweat shops and so on)
 
^
 
11:42 AM
OTOH buy products from Poland -> you buy products from your country -> you don't let poor people outside earn money -> you don't care -> nationalism!
 
Ell
@ChemiCalChems ohh, yeah that's a good idea
 
The only winning move is not to play buy.
 
Ell
Three
 
lol
 
11:44 AM
Oh, the negros again
 
@Abyx So, what's the map supposed to prove?
 
That he agrees with us and we should let refugees in
2
It's the only conclusion that makes any sense
 
:D
 
@AndyProwl Ok, cool. At least we reached a friendly understanding.
 
@Griwes it's an illustration to NATO wars topic
 
11:45 AM
Look, your country fucked up some shit. Nationalism good.
 
@Abyx Yes, but there has to be a point to posting it.
 
he's just Telkittying hard
 
inb4 but NATO started this!!!!!11111oneoneone
 
8 mins ago, by Bartek Banachewicz
@Abyx Those two things are absolutely unrelated. My country participates in wars to allow other people also allow in good, stable countries.
 
@nwp I like polish products and I would like to be able to buy them in the future. They are often better priced and/or of better quality. Sometimes the foreign products can be priced much cheaper, but in the long run I believe that locally produced products, regardless of what it is, can be better than a foreign one. I'd also like to be able to work in Poland, which means I'd like the country to grow. Not on expense of others.
 
11:46 AM
> Andy Prowl: I'm not a rapist, unfortunately
 
so NATO invaded Libya so they would live better, according to @BartekBanachewicz
 
> The United Nations Intent and Voting was to have "an immediate ceasefire in Libya, including an end to the current attacks against civilians, which it said might constitute crimes against humanity"
it was not an invasion. It was an intervention.
 
@Griwes What happens in #relationship-drama stays in #relationship-drama
 
Besides, what that has to do with anything?
Even if NATO was the worst.
 
@AndyProwl No, that sentence is too good to let it rot there. :P
 
11:48 AM
That still wouldn't justify your views on wars.
 
@Griwes yeah that's it. use other nations to make yours more wealthy
 
Everybody has interest for Libya to have a stable government
 
@AndyProwl Notice how I just hand picked that single message? :P
 
@Abyx If you think that NATO genuinely invaded Libya (and are criticising it for it), why do you think it's ok for you to invade others?
 
@Abyx Please read the second part of that message instead of ignoring it.
 
11:49 AM
@Griwes Motion to ban Griwes from #relationship-drama
 
@BartekBanachewicz It's essentially an ad hominem argument.
 
@BartekBanachewicz it was genuine tu quoque from me
 
Your country is a dick too, so I'm right.
 
@Abyx I was pointing out how absurd @nwp 's logic was (at least when sitting right next to yours).
 
@R.MartinhoFernandes that, but it's not ad hominem
 
11:50 AM
kek
 
lol
 
@Abyx well then, do you have any argument that's not a fallacy to respond to what I said?
 
@AndyProwl That'd be justified if I leaked sensitive information :P
 
2 hours ago, by R. Martinho Fernandes
@AndyProwl He does that a lot.
@Abyx Tu quoque is just a form of ad hominem.
It's an argument from the recipient.
 
Ell
@AndyProwl aye
 
11:51 AM
Passed
 
Argh, how do you call the person you're talking to?
 
opponent?
 
@BartekBanachewicz just look at it in a different way. wars are a norm. everyone does it.
 
@Abyx Does that make them any less bad?
@Abyx It's ad populum. I asked about non-fallacious arguments.
 
@Abyx thank you, Comrade Obvious.
 
11:52 AM
interlocutor?
 
Ell
I wonder if there is a general purpose LLVM JIT yet
 
Ven
why are you even replying to this guy
 
sense of responsibility
 
@BartekBanachewicz wars are bad for people who suffer but wars are good for those who benefit from it
 
Ell
I wonder how difficult writing a JIT for llvm IR would be
 
11:53 AM
@Ell doesn't LLVM have a JIT on its own
 
Ell
I know there is an example one
Kaleidoscope
 
@Ell To run where?
 
Ell
On x86 CPUs
Just desktops
To take the place of CLR for instance
 
@Abyx But the humanity loses on it on the whole. You're just moving money around, killing people and destroying useful property and infrastructure in the process.
 
@Ell From what I understand, it's more of an example of how to use the JIT, not "an example JIT".
 
Ell
11:55 AM
@BartekBanachewicz it doesn't only do that. It changes the people afterwards
 
IOW as I understand it, it shows you how to use it.
 
@R.MartinhoFernandes Wasn't he a Captain
 
Not mentioning the destructive impact on societies that also hits the "winning" countries
 
:P
 
@Shoe I'm just trying to fit in in his culture.
 
11:55 AM
@Ell of course. USA "won" the 2nd World War, but I don't think the country as a whole benefited from it
 
@Abyx When was the last time someone actually benefited from a war?
 
@BartekBanachewicz Fuck yeah, they did.
 
And I'm not talking just financially.
 
@R.MartinhoFernandes ^
 
I'm not understanding what his point is though?
 
11:56 AM
@Griwes today
 
The US might've benefited from the WWII, but its participation was overall weird.
 
Wars are good?
 
also wait
wait
 
There is no point
 
@Abyx Oh, the guy who sold weapons that allow others to kill each other?
 
11:57 AM
8 mins ago, by Abyx
@Griwes yeah that's it. use other nations to make yours more wealthy
 
Great benefit.
 
so that's bad
 
His point is to defend his right to be a homophobe xenophobe nationalist racist bigot
10
 
4 mins ago, by Abyx
@BartekBanachewicz wars are bad for people who suffer but wars are good for those who benefit from it
and that's good
@Abyx which one of those it is
 
Ell
@BartekBanachewicz well, the allies
Let's not give them all the credit ;)
 
11:57 AM
No, I'm serious. What's his point?
 
@BartekBanachewicz yeah but nationalists don't care about whole humanity
 
Ell
What is wrong with nationalism?
 
@Ell I don't think it's unfair to say everyone else lost.
Europe was in ruins.
 
Ell
Well. What is nationalism?
 
@Shoe Precisely what I wrote
 
Ell
11:58 AM
@R.MartinhoFernandes hmm. I suppose
 
@Ell please scroll up to an hour above
 
@AndyProwl you mean cis white male
 
@AndyProwl What you wrote looks like you paraphrasing his real point to insult him
 
@Abyx so using other nations to make yourself more wealthy is perfectly fine?
 
This started with him saying it's fine to not care about the refugees in the name of nationalism, and it ended with him saying our civilization is responsible for the refugees losing their lives
in the middle, a tour of all known fallacies
 
11:59 AM
Sounds boring
 
just go back to that message about hating neighbors
 
Why are you so engaged?
 
it tells pretty much everything
 

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