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Ell
12:00 PM
I really don't know how to feel about refugees
 
I'm not "so engaged", I'm just summing it up. I actually wrote only a few messages
 
I'm talking to Bartek and robot perhaps
 
oh, okay
 
I would just say "Ok" and move on
 
@Ell Sure, on one hand they're dirty savages that will rape my women, on the other they are maybe human beings
hard choice innit
 
12:01 PM
Sounds such an out of touch opinion
 
but don't worry after your country kicks all poles out, you'll be safe to close all the borders
 
Ell
Man
Every time
 
I'd recommend building a wall
and making refugees pay for it
 
lol
 
Ell
If there's any reason I don't want poles in the UK, its you bartek
 
12:03 PM
lol
now that's racist
 
fuck poles
 
nwp
its bartekist
 
Ell
@BartekBanachewicz how? It's literally targettwd at you only :P
 
holding them flags
 
@BartekBanachewicz it works
 
12:04 PM
@Ell I love how you're not getting it. You just generalized the whole country based on one person.
 
@BartekBanachewicz like in Gaza
 
Ell
@BartekBanachewicz the idea was letting no poles through just in case you happened to be one of them
Not saying all poles are like you
 
@Griwes yep, him and his friends. probably lives in U.S.
 
@Ell How can you even talk to people if some of them happens to be a murderer
@Abyx this is not what I asked
 
Ell
It was a joke
A bad one for sure
 
12:05 PM
@Abyx no not like in Gaza, go figure what I was referring to.
 
Ell
But I tried
 
I wish people have learned more astronomy in schools. And realized that we all live on a tiny little planet in a middle of a fucking nowhere.
 
@AndyProwl I'm not a racist, I'm against certain cultures, not kinds of phenotypes
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Right, some other cultures might not accept your culture of violence, for example.
Them dirty first-worlders exploiting others
 
Is Abyx american?
 
12:08 PM
lol
 
he's Russian
but frankly it doesn't matter where he's from
you can find bigoted nationalists pretty much everywhere in the world
like half of the UK for example
 
@AndyProwl there is no contradiction. West is responsible for most of recent wars and refugees. That's a nationalistic behavior if you consider "West" as a nation. So nationalism should be fine for you, westerners.
 
That's westernacist
 
@Abyx it's absolutely not fine for decent people in the western cultures
 
@Abyx Did you miss the part where I don't agree with how we're dealing with refugees?
or are you just arguing for the sake of arguing
 
12:11 PM
@BartekBanachewicz you asked about my opinion on it? here's the answer - I don't care. I just don't see it as "good" or "bad".
 
@Abyx I am really wondering where you were raised, if you can't tell bad apart from good.
I thought this was one of the most basic things taught to children.
 
@BartekBanachewicz in the Lounge, of course
 
@AndyProwl no I didn't. I understand that you personally condemn it.
 
And you're supposedly an adult.
 
@Abyx Ok, so you agree with me that we should let refugees in
 
12:14 PM
@AndyProwl no, why would I care about what you should do with your refugees? that's not my problem.
We (Russia) started the war in Ukraine, and we somehow deal with Ukrainian refugees. But those NATO wars - meh
 
3 hours ago, by Abyx
@AndyProwl surprise, people have different opinions
this sounded like you were supporting their views
 
I missed the whole refugees thread
 
also "that's not my problem" doesn't mean you cannot have an opinion
 
@Abyx I don't see how the last sentence follows.
 
it doesn't
 
12:18 PM
@AndyProwl well I wouldn't let refugees in. They carry Islamic culture which is harmful.
 
Don't forget that all islamists are terrorists
ever
 
@Abyx So, you think that country X is responsible for causing the refugees phenomenon, but you also think that country X is right in rejecting those refugees. Are you sure you're not in country X too?
 
@BartekBanachewicz don't forget that Shahids are not terrorists (criminals) according to Islam
 
@Abyx Homophobe and xenophobe culture is harmful
 
@AndyProwl I don't get it
 
12:20 PM
@Abyx Terrorists are terrorists according to decent people
 
@Abyx Yeah that's also my impression
 
@BartekBanachewicz to Muslims, you're not decent people.
 
@AndyProwl he said it's also perfectly fine that they started the war so
 
Oh, I missed some drama!
 
@Abyx You mean to radical terrorists
 
12:21 PM
inb4 no true Scotsman
 
@Abyx You say Western civilization is responsible for all those refugees escaping the war and trying to enter Western countries. Now you're saying you wouldn't let those refugees in. Basically you're talking like a Brexiter, completely ignoring your responsibilities
 
@R.MartinhoFernandes that
See @Abyx your problem is that instead of judging people by who they are: good, bad, violent or peaceful, tolerant or prejudiced - you judge them by where they come from and slap a generic stereotypic label on them
All muslims aren't terrorists. There are terrorists amongst muslims. If you don't like terrorism, say that you're against terrorists, not that you're against muslims.
 
@BartekBanachewicz With Muslims, we have quite a lot of polls and statistics about their opinions. They are pretty bad in many cases.
...even if they are not terrorists. You can be a bigot and not a terrorist. :)
 
@wilx That doesn't matter. You're still generalizing unfairly.
There's a lot of Poles who are religious.
 
@BartekBanachewicz How is statistics generalizing unfairly?
 
12:25 PM
@wilx Just look at Abyx.
 
also if your culture is endangered by the confrontation with other cultures, your culture is pretty weak
 
@wilx well, okay, I got a bit ahead of myself here.
Not sure what else can you say besides simply bring up any statistics though.
 
@AndyProwl Let's say you kill a neighbor to steal his oil and get richer. Why take in his kids which would make you poor.
 
@AndyProwl Also, a stupid idea to hold on to. It's basically "but what does it mean to be German?" again.
 
@Abyx What?
 
12:26 PM
NATO destroyed Lybia for a reason. And I bet taking refugees in wasn't a part of that reason
doing things halfway is just stupid
 
All right, I give up, you can't handle logic
 
5 mins ago, by Bartek Banachewicz
@AndyProwl he said it's also perfectly fine that they started the war so
 
nor morality FWIW
 
> NATO destroyed Lybia
Russia destroyed Afghanistan!
 
and you're lynching negros
 
12:27 PM
oh, wait, am I going too far back in history now
 
I love how Abyx commits the same logic fallacy over and over and over again
 
@Griwes not really. nobody knows what would happen to Afghanistan if U.S. wouldn't support Bin Laden
 
@AndyProwl He's just lynching negros over and over.
 
@Abyx So you're saying that the Soviet war in Afghanistan didn't destroy anything?
Or are you saying that Soviets didn't invade Afghanistan?
 
12:29 PM
@Griwes if USSR would win
 
@wilx yes that's still statistics.
 
@Griwes IIRC USSR was supporting Afghanistan government, so it wasn't an invasion
 
@BartekBanachewicz Look at the picture. Now, let's say people in some countries said they wanted 3rd Reich (or 4th or whatever) to govern them. You would found that horrifying. I find that support for Sharia horrifying.
 
I also find people supporting Sharia horrifying
but then again my country elected a homophobic party to rule us for the next years
If you go by that, you can find that the vast majority of people are horrifying in one way or another
 
12:31 PM
@BartekBanachewicz I think that's the same point Abyx has harped on.
 
@R.MartinhoFernandes It's even worse than that
 
Though in his case it might be more like s/people/NATO/
 
nwp
@wilx trump/hillary are also terrifying. puppy wanting to nuke people is terrifying. That doesn't say anything.
 
it's sheer contradiction
 
> However, the presence of Soviet troops did not have the desired effect of pacifying the country. On the contrary, it exacerbated a nationalistic feeling, causing the rebellion to spread further.
 
12:31 PM
@Abyx Was that the same kind of support like USSR invasion into then Czechoslovakia in 1968? :)
 
@R.MartinhoFernandes Except I don't think it's fine to kill them just because I find their views disgusting
 
@AndyProwl Oh, that was like, four messages in.
 
Clearly not seen that way by the locals. :P
 
@R.MartinhoFernandes eh
also, "war is OK", "westerners are horrible cause they made war", "if you make war, then you should also reject refugees, because why being bad only 50%"
 

Not self-contradiction

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12:33 PM
lack of logic, lack of empathy, lack of awareness
 
@wilx no that was a different thing
 
Special pleading.
 
@R.MartinhoFernandes gem
 
@AndyProwl IOW lack of basic human decency
 
@Abyx Hmm, I think it was the same kind of support like USSR invasion of Poland in '39.
 
12:34 PM
@BartekBanachewicz inb4 subhuman
 
if you're still wondering why your country isn't in the first world @Abyx, start there
 
(Yes, I'm bordering on trolling now.)
 
@Griwes lol
oh right Poles are eternally grateful for USSR humanitarian help
but then again stealing from other countries is fine so
 
inb4 nigros
 
I am pretty sure killing other people in general is also fine
 
12:36 PM
sure it is, if it brings good to your nation
 
like you can take their money and kill their children too as well because otherwise you'd have to feed them
 
@BartekBanachewicz As long as it leaves you better off.
 
@BartekBanachewicz what, you wanna discuss relations between Poland and Russia?
 
killing is fine as long as killing is fine
 
I absolutely don't want to discuss anything with you.
I've heard enough.
 
12:36 PM
> the Afghan resistance movement, assisted by the United States, Pakistan, Saudi Arabia, the United Kingdom, Egypt, the People's Republic of China and others
That's... an insanely diverse group. o.O
 
Your views aren't just bad, they're despicable, inhuman and dangerous.
 
subhuman*
 
@BartekBanachewicz no, they're very human-like, truly
 
And to finish off the day, no-true-human fallacy
from me this time
because I still refuse to acknowledge how fucked up some inhabitants of this planet are
 
@BartekBanachewicz that's just dumb
 
12:38 PM
No matter how much I prepare for your terrible opinions, you still manage to surprise me.
 
ignorance in nutshell
 
> In April 1978, the communist People's Democratic Party of Afghanistan (PDPA) seized power in Afghanistan in the Saur Revolution.
Oooooh.
 
@Griwes All sorts of weird temporary alliances show up in war.
 
So basically the Soviets were helping a party that was only the government because of a revolution!
So, I'd argue that that was indeed an invasion. :P
 
12:39 PM
@Griwes Sounds a lot like Crimea to me.
 
who cares, they stole from others so it's fine
 
inb4 but '78 is waaaay too early in history to discuss in this context
 
@Griwes Given that the Soviet government was only a government because of a revolution, that doesn't seem like much of a stretch.
 
eh, in the end it's just short minded thinking
 
@Griwes > The PDPA prohibited usury, declared equality of the sexes,[43] and introduced women to political life.[43]
but those were commies!
 
12:41 PM
@JerryCoffin I was about to raise that point FWIW :P
@Abyx [proof of that having any impact on public life needed]
 
the more I read Abyx the less I'm shocked about that doping scandal
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^ Basically, if you do cannabis, you die sooner more likely. :)
Don't do drugs, kids!
 
@Griwes there could be an impact. But the West opposed it so they have an Islamic-style state
 
@Abyx I'm actually surprised the previous islamic government allowed usury.
@Griwes I don't doubt it would.
 
12:44 PM
@wilx I didn't see you oppose alcohol and tobacco here before
 
@BartekBanachewicz You have not sees a lot of things! :)
 
besides, this study also said that if you have a psychotic disorder, cannabis has no impact on your life expectancy whatsoever
 
@Griwes Eastern Germany is a good example. Things like atheism and absence of body shame are part of the commie legacy here.
Also, ffs, don't make me be alongside Abyx in this.
 
@R.MartinhoFernandes Absence of body shame? Do you mean them sunbathing nude? Is it old NDR thing only or was it in the West Germany as well?
 
@R.MartinhoFernandes We don't really have a deeply Muslim country that underwent that transformation, though, do we?
 
12:47 PM
@wilx You mean DDR? Yes.
 
@R.MartinhoFernandes Oh, yeah. NDR is in Czech. Sorry. :)
 
GDR in English.
 
NRD. :P
 
Oh, right, "Nemec"something
Fucking slavs.
 
12:52 PM
@Griwes But that's no reason to dismiss the idea that the commies wanted that transformation to happen (yes, we all know the reason the commies went there)
 
well a few hours and I'm free
 
Xeo
another hour for me
 
I'm free already
What do we do tonight?
 
@Xeo but my vacation starts!
@Shoe could do a game jam or someshit
 
Xeo
Oh, I already had mine :(
 
12:55 PM
I just hope I'll be able to connect to wifi in the hotel
 
I'm willing to program only if I can also get drunk
 
I have a few codementor sessions scheduled this weekend
 
Xeo
My next vacation will prolly be sometime in December
 
@Shoe last time we tried that with cicada our game won the jam :D
 
Sounds like a plan
 
12:56 PM
@Xeo altough I have to say I fucked a bit by not requesting the flight today
 
#outofcontextstars
 
so who's up for jam today
 
I have to make a presentation of the differences between Haskell and Scala
 
@BartekBanachewicz What is that
 
@R.MartinhoFernandes I'm not disputing that point - I'm just wondering if it would actually be accepted by the society. Probably yes, but I'm not 100% convinced.
 
12:56 PM
@Columbo making a shitty game that has to fit arbitrary themes and absurd deadlines
 
@BartekBanachewicz That sounds fun!
 
user406009
@BartekBanachewicz depends on the start time.
 
The tl;dr is: Scala is too emotionally invested in its relationship with Java and Haskell is an annoying toddler
 
user406009
Fuck timezones
 
@Lalaland aw.
how many hours is there between us
our evening should be your morning, no?
@Columbo it typically is
 
user406009
12:58 PM
7 hours
 
but typically we warn people way beforehand
 
I'm so tired of hearing this "Everything is an object" crap that I almost puked at the beginning of the Scala book
Wait
 
@Lalaland so you just woke up? Welp, today's evening for us would be middle of the day for you
 
I was joking about that being drunk thingy
 
jams aren't a joke man
they are super serious bsns
 
12:59 PM
sory
Making games makes me anxious
 
user406009
@BartekBanachewicz I am 7 hours earlier
 
Well, trying to make games makes me anxious
Also I haven't programmed anything in months
 
yeah. 20pm would be your 1pm
@Shoe you could team up with me. It's the best team.
 
user406009
@BartekBanachewicz would have to be tomorrow
 
yea
that's what I thought
I am busy tomorrow though :F
scheduled a last jam session
well I mean
 
1:01 PM
I hope I'm busy tonight
 
actually,
 
user406009
I wake up early though. Like 7 am my time or 2pm yours
 
@Lalaland we're at CEST now, that's UTC+2
 
It has been almost 3 days since I last saw my friends
 
it's been 3 months since I saw my friends
 
1:02 PM
That doesn't sound healthy
But you have your girlfriend, no?
 
@BartekBanachewicz I've never met a lot of my friends.
 
Yeah, he's the real slim shaggy
 
@Shoe uh, not here
 
wow did something go down with Abyx?
 
just the usual thing
 
1:05 PM
ah
 
nwp
TLDR: Stealing, murdering and war are fine, but don't start a war to get rich and then take refugees, that's half-assed
 
it's just all the stars appeared to be part of an argument instead of double entendres and C++ jokes/news
@nwp ah
 
FOR RUSSIA
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I spend way too much time on reddit
 
Guys, you should see me making music.
I'm the best.
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1:15 PM
Ok so you know when you get into an argument with a girl when you make a joke and she takes it too serious
 
Ell
@R.MartinhoFernandes what kind?
@Columbo lol
be a nice boy and apologise
 
@Ell I said fuck off kid
I'm not apologizing for your lack of humor
That apparently was a bad thing to say :/
 
@Ell lol
You're funny.
 
Dude are you drunk?
 
Ell
I don't get it :(
 
1:17 PM
Drunk, are you dude?
 
:D
 
Ell
Dude, where's my car?
 
Are, dude you drunk?
 
Ell
Mmhm, drunk you are?
 
Drunk are you, dude?
 
1:18 PM
We got it
 
It got we
 
Mixing words
 
@Ell The really shitty kind.
 
Ell
@Shoe more like wixing mords, am I right?
@R.MartinhoFernandes haha
where can we see then?
 
@R.MartinhoFernandes Poopcore?
 
1:18 PM
@Ell lore mike rixing Iords, mam M Wight?
 
Ell
Great start :P
 
Bagpipes are great.
 
@R.MartinhoFernandes I'd do it outside so the neighbors see you aren't raping anyone
 
@R.MartinhoFernandes Just what the world needed--synthesized bagpipes, because real bagpipes aren't quite bad enough. Listening to it, however, this sounds a lot more like strings than pipes to me.
 
1:24 PM
@JerryCoffin Dunno, I picked a random synth to test, and this one was named "Bagpipe".
But I've seen a different one around that sounded more like one.
 
Ell
I do actually like bagpipes
@R.MartinhoFernandes what are you making music with?
A keyboard?
Or sequencing it with an DAW or something?
 
@Ell The software I'm working on.
@Ell Yes.
 
Ell
And you're writing the DAW?
 
@R.MartinhoFernandes ROBOT USES PHP ROBOT USES PHP
 
Ell
@R.MartinhoFernandes what plugin format do you use? out of curiosity
VST? your own one?
 
1:37 PM
@Ell We support everything.
Some old shit from the 90s that refuses to die as well.
But I think VST is the primary.
 
Ell
is it a windows only thing?
 
@R.MartinhoFernandes as I’m fond of saying, c’est du pipeau
 
@Ell No.
Mac too.
 
Ell
Ah of course
I forgot audio was a big thing on macos
Synth really interests me actually
Writing the synths though I mean
image-line.com/plugins/Synths/Sytrus demo27 is a pretty good bagpipe :P
 

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