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2:00 PM
@Ell Actually it's not called "Mac OS" anymore. It's OS X.
 
Ell
wat
oh
 
> Launched as Mac OS X in 2001, it is the successor to the "classic" Mac OS, the final release of which was OS 9 from 1999, which had been Apple's primary operating system since 1984. The first version released was Mac OS X Server 1.0 in 1999; a desktop version, Mac OS X Cheetah followed in March 2001. In 2012, the software was renamed to OS X
 
Ell
I guess you mean "yet" and not "anymore"
oh so they flip flopped
 
@Ell heh
@Ell eh, seems mostly like siri everywhere
I wonder what the "free storage space" means
a builtin storage manager could be nice
> macOS Sierra can help make more room by automatically storing rarely used files in the cloud and keeping them available on demand.
uehg
how about no
I guess I should look for developer-oriented changes
But if Windows 10 continues to get better, I guess my next laptop might be a windows one again
 
there are operating systems that people bitch about, and operating systems that people just don't use.
 
nwp
2:09 PM
@roscoe_casita /s/people/I
 
I thought literally every single one is bitched about
CMSIS is actually pretty nice though
 
Dat flag.
in [iOS][Android][ChaosOverFlow], 1 min ago, by Dima Rostopira
@JasperVisser if I had a spare time, I would connect to your teamviewer and draw penis in paint
 
Ell
@BartekBanachewicz How come you think windows is getting better?
 
@nwp that's not how the syntax looks like
 
nwp
 
2:17 PM
@Ell well, they fixed the environment variable setting window :)
 
Ell
wow :P
 
@BartekBanachewicz lol
 
@BartekBanachewicz exactly actually... there is no os excluded...
 
@Ell but really most of the changes are under the hood
it's getting faster, and I'm pretty sure they'll improve battery life as well
The unix ecosystem might be a good thing too
maybe it'll get good enough to render msys obsolete
 
Ell
I think it will do eventually
 
2:20 PM
linux vms will also be less useful then
well, anyway Windows will be my main workstation OS right now
there's really no competition there
Mac Pro is a joke
6
 
Ell
I don't think linux vms will be less useful
 
if you can run things directly, there'll be less cases for a vm
I kinda wish you could buy OSX for custom machines
 
@BartekBanachewicz Too bad they didn't fix the length of PATH along with it. It's still ridiculously short :(
 
it runs reasonably well anyway
 
nwp
@BartekBanachewicz is hackintosh still a thing?
 
2:23 PM
@nwp it kinda sorta is
@Morwenn lel
 
I'm looking at building a new workstation, any suggestions?
 
yes, don't do it if you need to ask for suggestions in an internet chatroom
go and buy a ready-made box from a small shop
 
./shrug I'm bored
 
it's typically cheaper than getting parts and it's really irrelevant what you pick anyway
the marginal performance differences aren't worth the time spent on "research" imho
you don't got to the grocery store to weigh and measure all of the bananas to buy the perfect one
 
I need to drive 4 monitors, and would prefer CUDA hardware, but haven't matched a card from nvidia yet
 
2:25 PM
4 monitors is pretty standard
if you have ones that can be DP-daisy-chained
 
0.o I've got the only 4 monitor workstation in the company
 
vOv it's not like end of the world
both of my machines at work have 2xHDMI and 2xDP I think
at some not-so-high-end mobo
 
hmmm, kk, I must be missing something on connections then
 
Windows 10 Online Countdown says 19 hours 32 minutes in Germany, anybody see different numbers?
 
@BartekBanachewicz HOLY SHIT
THAT'S NUTS
 
2:27 PM
@fredoverflow eh, I just have to ask for extended dreamspark
but maybe I should tell my bro to upgrade dunno
oh wait no he doesn't have an original one
IIRC my old laptop came with 32bit windows
 
nwp
@BartekBanachewicz anecdotally it still works
 
Or actually no lol I don't even need dreamspark, I have an extended MSDN licence after all
 
nwp
apparently MS is more concerned with people using windows than making money
 
@fredoverflow Finally! In only a day they'll finally stop harassing me to try to get me to downgrade to an OS that doesn't work worth a shit on my machine!
 
@nwp microsoft makes most of their money on office, not windows
@JerryCoffin have you tried asking it to work with other things than a shit?
 
2:29 PM
What machine you got? I'm glad it runs nice on my x61 from 2007 or something...
 
Oh wow, this thing is actually getting more resistance than I thought it would. I guess SE users aren't completely brainwashed yet:
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Q: It’s time to retire the term “rep-whore”

JaydlesGoing forward, “rep-whore” (and its derivatives) will be treated like any other term that’s inconsistent with the community’s “be nice” policy: it will be removed. It’s totally okay if you’ve used it in the past. Nobody’s judging the many users who’ve used it. And users will NOT start being s...

 
@Mysticial what
 
^^ The best way to get rid of the word "repwhore" is to award rep for flagging or editing out uses of the word.
 
@BartekBanachewicz It's at +59/-19 atm.
 
2:34 PM
@fredoverflow A couple of machines, actually. My laptop is a Lenovo with an i7 from 2013 or so. My desktop is an AMD A8 on an Asus MB from 2014 or so. In both cases, Windows 10 does strange things with the WiFi adapter, so they constantly connect, lose connection within 10 minutes or so, reconnect, and repeat.
 
eh, my docs Q is at +40/-8 and they still don't give a shit about it
@Mysticial in the end it's whatever SE wants anyway
 
@JerryCoffin Hmm... driver issue, perhaps?
 
> [...] and may be construed as being gendered
Oh noes.
 
std::listess
 
nwp
@Mysticial I considered voting, but it's meta, so I can't do anything there anyways.
 
2:40 PM
@fredoverflow Possible, of course--but I'm not planning to write a new driver, nor can I easily switch to a different adapter in the laptop. On the desktop I have tried switching to a different adapter, but with similar results. Lest the question should arise: yes, I've also tried it with a couple of different access points, but that didn't help either.
@Morwenn 'cuz, after all, nobody calls a male whore a whore, ever.
 
@Mysticial it seems very SJW to me, well meaning but ill considered
 
@JerryCoffin More like it's obvious it does not exist at all.
And never has.
And never will.
 
Ell
@Mgetz I don't think it's SJW, I think repwhore is quite vulgar
 
i think i might have been scammed
every time i unplug my ssd, i have to recreate the fucking partition table, thus losing all my data
fucking hell
 
2:45 PM
@Ell not disagreeing, just saying that trying to ban language is the wrong solution. A better way is to deal with the underlying problem that causes the term to be used and then moderate those using the term as a pejorative
 
Ell
I agree
 
is this normal?
 
@Mysticial argh they have this on Meta.SE so I can't downvote it
 
it fucking shouldnt be right?
 
@Ell That was a short but intense discussion
 
2:48 PM
@Mgetz I'm not really sure it's even well-meaning. They've been burying their heads in the sand for years, and now they're blaming us for making noise about the problem and disturbing their sleep (if you'll pardon a somewhat mixed metaphor).
The fact of the matter is that the term would go away on its own if they'd do a better job of aligning the award of reputation with (what they claim are) the goals of the site.
 
@JerryCoffin I have another hypothesis. SE is desperate to do anything they possibly can to shed the whole "SO is negative" image that exists outside of SO users. And they're doing it at the expensive of existing users.
 
Moreover there's a new hub for rep-whores like me: doc.so
 
@JerryCoffin I'm trying to assume positive intent
 
10/10 would recommend
 
@Mgetz At least to me, positive intent would be shown by at least trying to do something about the problem(s). They routinely change things like the color of the up/down vote arrows, but make no attempt at changing how any of it actually works.
 
2:53 PM
SO itself benefits the most from repwhores since repwhores provide all the content. The long-time users who hang out on meta have long stopped since they're frustrated and mad. And it's the long-time users who are using the word "repwhore". So if you put yourself in SE's shoes, there's little to lose for alienating the long-time users.
 
I like how they talk as if they were talking to their granpa. "Hey granpa, it's not ok to use 'nigger' anymore. You should retire the term. Yeah? It's 'african american' now. It's not that the term was bad when you used it, but now it kind is."
 
@Mysticial I can't (entirely) agree. Providing truly useful content shouldn't be considered rep-whoring. At least as I'd use the term, rep-whoring is mostly about things like answering a question you know is a dupe instead of voting to close it as a dupe. Rep whores may provide a lot of content, but little of it is really of much use to anybody (including SE/SO).
 
Ell
^this
 
@Shoe It took a very bloody civil rights movement for that to work out. I will be amazed if SE can repeat that here.
 
Ell
well, that's how I see it too
 
2:58 PM
We all agree, great. Now what?
 
@Shoe I refuse to agree. If you try to agree with me, I'll change my position.
 
@Mysticial except it didn't, the term is still used and quiet extensively
 
@JerryCoffin You are a good tenth man
 
@JerryCoffin You have a point there. SE may be so desperate to shed the "SO is negative" image that they are willing to alienate even the users who provide the high-quality content.
 
@Mysticial Well, of course. Those are the ones that provide the "negative image".
 
3:00 PM
One thing for sure is, that "SO is negative" image isn't going anywhere.
 
I wonder if repwhores will tolerate calling each other repwhores just like "nigga" is tolerated between african american people.
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I'm not making any sense. I should go to sleep.
 
IOW, embrace the term. Take pride in it.
 
@Mysticial I think they believe (whether they've thought about it or not) that there are at least a few users sufficiently dedicated that they'll stick around almost regardless of what they do. I think they also believe they have a large enough block of useful content that they can largely get by on it, so addition of new useful content is no longer much of a priority.
 
@Shoe actually it has a very specific meaning, it does not just refer to another black person
 
It's pejorative
 
3:04 PM
@Mgetz I've heard at least half a dozen people claim it had a very specific meaning--but no two of them agreed on what that meaning actually was.
 
@JerryCoffin generally I've always heard it described as 'fool'
in a very Mr. T sense
 
@JerryCoffin I'm not so sure. I mean, take C++ content only for example. Would 5 years old content be still all relevant today?
 
just like 'cracker' describes a very specific type of redneck
 
It was the pre-C++11 time
Things have changed so much
Java also changed a lot
 
Got to the hotel
Man its so nice to have ac
 
3:06 PM
Not so random album for today:
 
Also obviously my phone connected to the WiFi, and my laptop did not
 
@Mgetz I'm not entirely sure the whole repwhore/black racial slur thing is an appropriate analogy here. Being a repwhore is a choice. Being black isn't.
 
oh wait sorry
actually it did work
 
@Mysticial never said it was?
 
internets! AC! this is great
 
3:07 PM
@Mgetz I wasn't replying to you specifically, but to everyone in the conversation.
 
ah
 
Since the topic changed in the last minute.
 
man it feels so close to home
 
@Mysticial So you are not entirely sure, right?
 
fixed
 
3:09 PM
Yeah, it's a terrible analogy
Except for the granpa thingy
 
@Shoe how do you clean the flat surfaces under the keyboard
 
Ooops, I broke everything.
 
great job
 
Someone told me that nonius.io was not accessible on Safari 9.
Now nothing works on any browser.
 
3:14 PM
@Shoe I don't think they're actually correct--but it would hardly be the first time that people had been wrong.
 
@BartekBanachewicz you don't
 
@Shoe they get greasy and ew
 
You can remove the key and put it back in if you need to
 
I didn't mean under the keys
I meant where you rest your palms
 
But I don't think you can access the whole surface below
wait
what
oh under in that sense
 
3:15 PM
yeah lol
 
Ven
time to leave
 
Dunno, water and paper?
 
@BartekBanachewicz works a lot better through transformers and capacitors than DC, anyway. :-)
 
Never had to clean it up officially
 
@Shoe eeeewwwwwww
 
3:17 PM
If you have unibody I'm pretty sure you can use whatever you would use on a table
 
@BartekBanachewicz Unplug the keyboard first. Then Clorox wipes.
 
@Mysticial Being a nigger is a choice. Being black is not. See Chris Rock on blacks and niggers.
 
@JerryCoffin mm might be a good idea to get proper surface wipes
 
Wouldn't "below" be more appropriate though?
Below the keyboard vs Under the keyboard
 
we
mm I'm kinda hungry
 
3:20 PM
@Shoe Doesn't really make much difference. "Below the space bar" might work a little better.
 
below the space bar there's the touchpad :P
 
@wilx I've honestly never heard of that before. Thanks.
 
@Mysticial Rally? Have you found his video?
 
@BartekBanachewicz "On the palmrest"?
 
bingo
uh okay buying those 3-day deposits is annoying
OTOH after my forex adventure I am kinda afraid of buying any stocks
 
3:25 PM
lol
@BartekBanachewicz Fixed it.
 
@R.MartinhoFernandes I did it deliberately
 
@BartekBanachewicz Forex adventure?
 
Yes, "below the keyboard" makes more sense. — Mark Hubbard 23 secs ago
 
@wilx TL;DR I lost everything.
 
@BartekBanachewicz lol, how much?
 
3:26 PM
@BartekBanachewicz lol
 
@wilx EVERYTHING
 
Finally an answer worthy of an up-vote:
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A: It’s time to retire the term “rep-whore”

SethTL;DR: Please don't just try to cure the symptoms when curing the cancer is this simple. Retract reputation gained from questions that are closed (or that were closed within a certain time frame, starting with the creation of the question), and you'll most likely fix this whole rep-system-abus...

 
@R.MartinhoFernandes of what set? :)
 
@BartekBanachewicz lol
 
"Alice Bartek through the looking-glass"
 
3:29 PM
@wilx 10 eur ;)
 
@LucDanton c'est déjà bien qu'il y ait des asserts
 
@KretabChabawenizc I'm such an investor
 
Also now is not the season to buy stocks because it's earnings season
So it's a complete gamble (I mean more than usual)
 
yep
I'm gonna keep doing Ogame 3-day deposits for now
 
hey guys
 
3:32 PM
if you had bought AMD and NVIDIA back in feb you'd have made a 3x and 2x return
 
Some time ago, several years, before my marriage when I had some money to spare, I started putting some into funds by RaiffaisenBank.
 
every time i unplug my ssd drive, my partition table gets fucked and i gotta create another, thus losing data
i got scammed or am i doing something wrong?
 
The suspence is killing me wilx, what happened?
 
One day I was making the transaction and I misclicked and instead of buying shares for 3000 CZK I bought shares for 3000 EUR. It really scared me, it was almost all of my money.
 
@wilx wow
 
3:33 PM
But I kept it there and kept buying some small amounts later. Then when I sold it all, I gained 10 %.
 
You got balls
 
@wilx eh funds are much safer than stocks anyway
 
@BartekBanachewicz Yup.
 
i mean depends obv
okay what do I want to eat today
 
oh lmao that meta thread
 
3:36 PM
I was thinking pasta but I don't really want pasta
a pizza though
hmmmmm
either way it's huge effort to get up
eh fuck it I'm not going to the city today
gonna get some trash food an netflix all evening]
 
@BartekBanachewicz Here, there is a Vietnamese groceries shop not farther than 500 meters. They are like on every other corner in Prague.
There are three in that distance from where I am.
 
 
@BartekBanachewicz Somehow made me think of "Innocent Blood" (which is old enough that it's probably on Netflix, and probably worth watching if you haven't seen it).
 
@wilx I can't watch it at work. But I've never heard of it. It's one of those things where if you don't learn it from school, you're unlikely to know about it.
 
@Mysticial youtube.com/watch?v=f3PJF0YE-x4 --- when you get back to your safe space! :D
 
3:41 PM
man
that meta thread is awful
lmao
 
we know
 
@Shoe "Now kiss"
 
@Rapptz I'm tempted to say that "awful meta thread" is redundant...
 
In a lot of ways it is.
 
@JerryCoffin Would this be an accurate depiction is what's going on?
@gnat Agreed. Based on what I've been seeing for the past few years, SO/SE has been increasingly desperate to shed the whole "SO is negative" image to outsiders. And they're getting to the point that they're willing to try anything - including alienating the very users who are providing the content that run the site. Sure little things like banning +/-1 or keywords like repwhore/vampire may be small, but it does add up in the long run. At some point, people are gonna start snapping. (i.e. YCS) And when that happens, the very users that were once valued become trolls. — Mysticial 9 mins ago
 
3:45 PM
@Mysticial Is the YCS thing the one of the professor that sent some email and people got mad at him?
 
YCS is an old user that snapped.
 
rip in piece
 
Oh
 
See also Neil Butterworth and Rich B
SO was better back then.
 
-28
Q: An open letter to Tim Post, the community manager of Stack Overflow

Your Common SenseYou asked me once if there was anything going on that I'd like to talk about. One of your moderators just banned me on Stack Overflow for a month, telling me that my edits for this question are "entirely out of line", adding that they "have no time for my games". Probably they got confused with ...

 
3:47 PM
Neil keeps on coming back and going away though
 
He's currently banned on SO.
 
@Mysticial How long?
 
@R.MartinhoFernandes In fairness, Neil Butterworth was somewhat similar when he was on Usenet--clearly intelligent and well informed, but always a half step away from snapping, and ready to point out that anybody who disagreed with him was not just wrong, but plainly stupid and probably downright evil.
 
@R.MartinhoFernandes Last time I checked, he was banned for a year. Looks like it got reduced to only a month.
 
3:49 PM
Rich B was banned for five years, IIRC stackoverflow.com/users/5640/geochet
 
I was referring this
And by snapping I thought you meant finger snapping
Which is what they as opposed to clapping
 
@wilx vietnamese food is super cheap
I was amazed at how little we paid in Vienna
> your search did not have any matches.
:(
 
I have mixed feelings about this whole thing. I don't have any problem at all with banning the term "whore" network-wide, even though I think the whole clbuttic pr0blem is a whack-a-mole. What does disturb me a bit is the whole "thought police" mentality that seems to have crept into SE. — Robert Harvey 1 min ago
 
^^ this is why I don't contribute to SO.
 
@BartekBanachewicz Bummer. Looking, at least in the US, it's a $2.99 rental on Amazon.
 
4:00 PM
@Mysticial Wait, is he by our side?
Am I reading it right?
And I'm hungry
 
@Shoe yes. Robert Harvey appears to be on our side.
 
@Shoe Sorta, anyway. Seems to be implying what some of us have been saying: this is trying to treat the symptom while ignoring the disease.
 
Btw, the score on the question is 67/27. The last few votes seem to be learning more towards against.
 
This is a first
Wait, wasn't he a moderator?
 
@Shoe remember this is a guy who works at nasa and can't use git
 
4:04 PM
Oh nevermind. I was looking at the wrong account
@BartekBanachewicz *worked
 
@BartekBanachewicz I thought that was Randall Munroe.
 
Maybe I should go work for NASA
 
Please don't
 
why
the alternative i'm entertaining is Lockheed-Martin ;)
 
4:06 PM
Do you wanna live with the knowledge that you killed people via your software?
Those thoughts can eat you alive
 
Doesn't anyone who ever wrote JS?
 
@Shoe I'd be fine with that
I'm against killing people but then there's the utalitarian aspect
 
Don't kill people bartek, pls
 
nasa it is then
 
@Shoe If it was software that was intended to help kill people, then it'd be mostly a question of whether I trusted the people who were in charge using the final product. I'd be a lot more bothered at the thought of writing code for (say) a self-driving car, and being responsible for a bug that killed people.
 
4:09 PM
Yeah me too
 
i couldn't write software used in hunter-drones ~
etc, where the code you write is used to take lives, either directly or indirectly.
 
@roscoe_casita I totally would not mind.
 
if I'm going to take somethings life, I'm going to do it with my own hands, so they know who did it.
 
@RobertHarvey - I'm surprised to hear you say that. One of the primary roles of moderators on the Stack Exchange network has always been to make sure people are treated with respect. This and other recent code of conduct announcements have been merely codifying informal policies that we've applied for years. This isn't "thought police", it's just formally stating policy on behaviors that many people have believed were inappropriate for a long time. Every person visiting these sites deserves to be treated with respect, and rudeness in comments reflects badly on every contributor here. — Brad Larson 43 secs ago
^^ wow...
 
@roscoe_casita Please don't leave openings like this. I try to be nice, but when you leave the door open so wide, it's hard to resist walking through it (or at least peeking inside).
 
4:12 PM
go for it @JerryCoffin these are moral debates ~
 
@Mysticial SE: Civil War
 
@roscoe_casita Wouldn't have been a moral comment. Something more like: "we were talking about being stopped by morals, not incompetence." :-)
 
there is a difference between writing software that has the safety of peoples lives on the line (such as medical equipment), and software that has the intent of taking peoples lives
 
That really clears it out for me, thanks
 
abject oriented programming
 
4:14 PM
@roscoe_casita I hope L-M puts a huge logo on their stuff
 
user1804599
I do AOP.
 
Xeo
> Dr.Cr1tical comes out of surgery room: "What's up everybody, he's critical"
 
user1804599
Abstraction-oriented programming.
 
@roscoe_casita fighter jets don't kill innocent civilians
 
@Xeo nice
 
Xeo
4:20 PM
@Rapptz There's also this one under it:
> The patient flatlines on the table: "Well, I'm done operating on this. That's the end of this operation. Remember to bag the corpse, inform the next of kin, and take notes on not fucking murdering patients similar to this one. See ya."
 
the fucking is out of place there
otherwise nice
 
4:36 PM
Oh will you look at that. The OP just accepted Shog's answer just as the other answer is about to surpass it in votes...
wow
 
@Mysticial The answer can still go up IIRC
 
The accept pins it to the top.
 
Not always
 
The only exception is self-accepts. Which isn't the case here.
 
@Mysticial Are you sure?
 
4:41 PM
@Shoe Yes. Unless they changed that very recently, it's always been like this.
 
> Thanks for the feedback! Votes cast by those with less than 125 reputation are recorded, but do not change the publicly displayed post score.
u w0t m8
Recorded on what? Santa list of badly behaving kids who aren't on the sudoers list?
 
lol
 
@Mysticial Oh look that other guy is also a moderator
 
Yeah. You just threw it out there as an example of a word with a long history of being used to hurt and belittle people that you should be able to use in other contexts because... Just stop. I don't know what your point was other than to derail this thread, @Shoe, but you've at least accomplished that. Congratulations. Now go sit in the car. — Shog9 ♦ 27 secs ago
Meta doesn't like me very much
I don't think
 
4:57 PM
@Shoe Calm down a bit. The guy is clearly pissed off right now. I'm not sure if it's something I said, or you said. Or collectively everything else in the thread. But it's better to back off for now.
 
Meh, I think I stopped caring
 
It's one of those things where when the boss gets mad, everyone shuts the hell up.
 
Oh wow
They suspended my account
 

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