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@Griwes no you don't need that chart, there is no fallacy
 
ok thanks
 
I feel like I do, because I can't remember which fallacy you are going to fall into in a minute.
 
Xeo
@Rishab Perhaps you are not ready for codewars, then. Ever considered that?
 
@Rishab lol
 
10:04 AM
@Griwes oh I'm just going to say that by ignoring what happens to people in other countries (Libya, etc), you act like a nationalist. except that "nation" extends to NATO or "all western countries"
 
kek
this is exactly the fallacy that I said you'd fall into, I just can't remember what's its name
@R.MartinhoFernandes halp
 
Xeo
@ThePhD If you go back a few years, you'll see that I lamented about the same thing once. :P
"perfect storing" it in a member is about the best you could do with the evaluator, but maybe another approach in general would be a better choice.
 
@Abyx Yes. I personally feel responsible for many things, and it's beyond me why most people don't and complain that "we'd be worse off" if we accepted refugees
 
@Griwes Sounds like just a regular ad hominem.
 
@Xeo How do you do that without the brand new feature of template argument deduction from constructor arguments?
 
10:12 AM
He used non-generic "you", therefore ad hominem.
 
I mean it's not like I don't agree we'd be worse off
it's that I think it's fair
 
Unless he just meant to straight up denigrate you.
 
@R.MartinhoFernandes I think the fallacy is more in the "if you are ignoring this, you act like [read: are] a nationalist".
 
@Griwes Sounds like just a semantics game.
 
@AndyProwl there is a simple solution - be an honest nationalist; mind only interests of your nation
@Griwes don't omit the words - it's "if you are ignoring other nations, you are a nationalist"
 
10:19 AM
I really dislike that approach, but I'd call it fair enough as long as you don't adopt that attitude only after having messed up with other nations for like centuries
which is the case here
 
nwp
@Abyx Why nation? Why not city or street or continent or planet?
 
"people like me"
 
@Abyx Also make sure you pick the right idea of what your nation is. Otherwise you might end up kicked out of it.
 
@AndyProwl NATO still do mess with Syria, it's not "after"
 
@AndyProwl Yeah, it's never "nation".
It's just a stupid cover.
 
10:21 AM
@Abyx you missed my point
 
Last time I had this discussion with my girlfriend, I asked her "what does it even mean to be German?"
And that's when she saw it.
 
5000 bad sectors
 
She didn't really have a decent answer for it.
 
no wonder my hdd is failing
 
A nation (from Latin: natio, "people, tribe, kin, genus, class, flock") is a large group or collective of people with common characteristics attributed to them - including language, traditions, mores (customs), habitus (habits), and ethnicity. A nation, by comparison, is more impersonal, abstract, and overtly political than an ethnic group. It is a cultural-political community that has become conscious of its autonomy, unity, and particular interests. Stalin's Marxism and the National Question (1913) declares that "a nation is not a racial or tribal, but a historically constituted community of...
> Stalin's Marxism and the National Question (1913) declares that "a nation is not a racial or tribal, but a historically constituted community of people;"
looks like a proper definition to me
 
10:23 AM
Historically constituted?
 
yeah
 
also ambiguous enough
 
I guess that's why Nazis parties are growing again in Germany.
Because that's part of what it means to be German.
 
@R.MartinhoFernandes yes, history is important, many people seek strength in it
 
@Abyx The missing implied fallacious bit in there is "as long as you ignore all the bits you don't want".
Or "as long as you make your own history"
Turks are part of Germany's history, just like Jews were too.
 
JDR
10:25 AM
Test
 
But they're not "German".
 
@R.MartinhoFernandes only because both would never say that they're german
it should be mutual
 
@Abyx I thought we were discussing the real world, not this imaginary thing in your head.
 
that's not a part of your definition
 
@R.MartinhoFernandes you mean they were not German, or they are not German?
 
10:26 AM
@Abyx Also, you are now DeadMGing. (Sorry Pups :()
 
@R.MartinhoFernandes the absolute truth? wtf man
@R.MartinhoFernandes nah, I didn't say that ME should be glassed.
 
@Griwes Ah, it became clear now. It's a form of special pleading.
And now it's a 'no true Scotsman'.
@Abyx I'm going to say that my experience trumps your absolute statement.
I know many German Turks.
Living in Germany.
Speaking German.
Who have never lived anywhere else.
 
@R.MartinhoFernandes yeah, so?
 
So you're wrong.
1 min ago, by R. Martinho Fernandes
@Abyx I'm going to say that my experience trumps your absolute statement.
 
is a good idea to force badblocks?
i'd suspect not, but...
 
10:32 AM
@R.MartinhoFernandes ugh. can you say that about all of turks living in germany?
 
@Abyx I don't have to.
Let me google some Logic 101 book for you.
 
Xeo
@Griwes You can always go through a simple wrapper function.
 
@R.MartinhoFernandes google the "anecdotal" chapter
 
@Abyx that's the fallacy fallacy.
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Anecdotes trump universals.
 
you personal experience is not significant
 
10:34 AM
Gee man, I know you were a racist dick, but I didn't know you didn't know elementary logic.
 
@Abyx kek
 
@R.MartinhoFernandes you love that fallacy thing so much that you started to see it everywhere
kinda fallacy deformation
 
@Abyx It is because it contradicts your unbased claim.
 
@Abyx I'm pretty sure that sentence is also fallacious.
 
nwp
@ChemiCalChems buy a new harddrive?
as long as you can still read the old one
 
10:36 AM
I see fallacies everywhere because I am dumb and get constantly dragged into discussions with racist dicks.
 
@nwp it's only 5000 bad sectors, i'm running bad blocks
 
@Griwes no, not every personal remark is ad hominem
 
it would be the 3rd hdd in under a year
 
Damn, can't kick myself.
 
@R.MartinhoFernandes you're not polite as well
 
10:36 AM
@Abyx I did not specify which fallacy. Pretty sure that statement is also fallacious due to you assuming I said "ad hominem".
It's fallacies all the way down.
 
@R.MartinhoFernandes I clam that some turks in germany do not think that they are germans. You say that you didn't see such turks.
 
nwp
@ChemiCalChems I was taught drives have bad blocks all the time, they just have a ton of spare blocks to compensate. Once a drive reports bad blocks it is out of spares and will fatally fail very soon.
 
"and then you go about racist dick"
very smart move
 
12 mins ago, by Abyx
@R.MartinhoFernandes only because both would never say that they're german
"some"
 
@nwp it passed the smart test, so it's supposedly healthy still
problem is, every time i indexed my clion project, system would go read only
which is an indication of badblocks
so i'm remapping them
 
10:39 AM
14 mins ago, by R. Martinho Fernandes
Turks are part of Germany's history, just like Jews were too.
 
for now 1% in the run there are 76 errors :|
 
implies "all"
 
Only if you're an idiot. (Which I think you are)
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It's blatantly obvious that not all Jews are in Germany.
 
@R.MartinhoFernandes turks
@R.MartinhoFernandes how that fact is relevant?
 
You know what. I'm gonna make some music.
 
10:41 AM
@R.MartinhoFernandes another smart move
@R.MartinhoFernandes hey, is that a strawman?
> blatantly obvious
 
no, it's not
 
oh the discussion is still going
can I join can I join
 
sure, go ahead
 
Whoa, I almost beat Fate Unlimited Codes and the discussion is still going O.O
 
@BartekBanachewicz robot went away
 
10:44 AM
@Griwes lol
 
apparently his not-so-passive aggressive wasn't persuasive enough
 
2 hours ago, by Bartek Banachewicz
It only has a pejorative meaning.
@Abyx did you just base your worldview on marxism
lol
you're like 50 years behind civilization development in that regard
 
@BartekBanachewicz no, I said that this particular definition was accurate, in my opinion
 
it's still bad to be nationalist
 
@BartekBanachewicz no, not really. capitalism is much older
@BartekBanachewicz but why?
 
10:47 AM
@Abyx because the term describes the bad side of being obsessed with your "nation"
 
what's so bad about is except that other countries would suffer?
 
you may be thinking about "patriotic"
which is loving your country and fellow people
 
well this is gonna take a while
 
@Abyx the xenophobia and prejudice?
Or do you consider them virtues?
 
@BartekBanachewicz political tools
 
10:48 AM
@BartekBanachewicz obviously he does
 
@Abyx excuse me?
 
where's that message where he says hating neighbors is fine
 
They aren't tools. They are things nationalists represent.
 
@BartekBanachewicz they can unite your population when necessary
 
@Abyx unite to what, war? Racial discrimination? When is that necessary?
 
10:49 AM
ok, I'll explain it
 
Even putting those aside, your willingness to make other people suffer because they don't fit your idea of what "nation" is is disgusting.
 
it's not about the nation, "nation" is an excuse. It's "people who are like me" vs "people who are not like me"
 
I am not saying that you should try to help everyone, but saying that you don't care about other people just because they might live 50k further on the other side of the border...?
 
Some people believe in a god which don't exist. But we can say that it's fine because it's good for their mental health.
 
@AndyProwl well that's why I pointed out the "idea of nation"
 
10:51 AM
Same goes for xenophobia - it could be useful, just like religion.
 
@Abyx excuse me, how can it be useful?
 
@BartekBanachewicz You're playing the semantics game as well, now.
 
@BartekBanachewicz channeling the stress
 
@R.MartinhoFernandes eh, I don't intend to. If you cherrypick what "nation" means to comfortably hate some people around you, you're bad regardless of how you call it.
@Abyx what does that even mean?
 
@Abyx lol
 
10:53 AM
 
I literally. don't. even.
 
here comes Alex channeling the stress
 
Ven
):
 
welp
I think you got the meaning anyways
 
10:54 AM
I'm really asking. I have no idea what you meant by saying that "xenophobia can be useful for channeling the stress"
My mind is incapable of understanding what that could possibly mean
 
someone follow a religion, someone believe a divine entity exist, why does it bother you?
 
@BartekBanachewicz did you read 1984?
 
whether an individual believes in god does not cause harm to other people, unlike xenophobia and racism, and if it ends up doing it, then it's just as bad
so the comparison is nonsense
 
@AndyProwl A Clockwork Orange?
 
10:56 AM
@BartekBanachewicz well, two minutes hate is a thing.
 
@Abyx wait, did you read 1984?
 
@BartekBanachewicz yes
 
Wait lolwut
 
@Abyx so you're saying that the totalitarian, forceful control of human emotions is totally a "useful" thing
but then again so is killing them right
 
@BartekBanachewicz worked for them, works IRL as well
 
10:59 AM
Wait what
 
@R.MartinhoFernandes he's actively praising totalitarian, violent methods of control
 
Bartek, you're being trolled.
 
@R.MartinhoFernandes not at all
 
Either it's that or we have a psychopath in this room
 
Don't dare say Poe's law.
 

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