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9:00 PM
y'all need to be getting drunk
Before I become too intolerant
 
@thecoshman Proceeding.
 
Ell
Is writing C++ in C as bad as writing C in C++?
 
no
 
@Ell It depends on what you mean by that. But it can be pretty awful.
 
Ell
well atm I'm figuring out what to do about construction of the list
I have construct_list(list* storage) atm
 
9:03 PM
@Ell What does that mean
 
eh
just write the program in C++ and then expose a C interface ;p
 
Ell
@CatPlusPlus you know people say "you're writing java in python" or w/e
you've not heard that before?
when you write code that is not idiomatic n such
 
@Ell I don’t think it’s really possible at all
 
Yes writing code that's not idiomatic is probably bad
 
@Ell list(int)* foo = new(list(int)); is much better.
 
9:05 PM
But what do you think "writing C++ in C" means
 
@CatPlusPlus Getting compile errors with class ...
 
idiomatic C is so bad that it's hard to say that non-idiomatic C would be appreciably worse
 
Ell
@Morwenn with macros?
@CatPlusPlus It doesn't matter
 
Idiomatic C is just hard to write
 
Ell
forget I mentioned it
 
9:05 PM
@Ell I was sarcastic, but yeah, you can totally do that.
 
Ell
@Morwenn yeah I'm not going to attempt :P
 
You can simply opt in for Idiotic C
 
I wouldn't bother with generic list for an assignment
 
Ell
Yeah, it's not generic
 
Ell, just do the assignment and be done with it.
 
Ell
9:07 PM
I already attempted generic last time
 
@Ell You can use my old & awful sgl_vector for a basic vector in C. As a bonus it also throws exceptions.
 
Ell
It wasn't that awful, there was just a lot of void*
 
@Ell yeah that’s C as usual
 
You're not implementing a nuclear reactor's rod insertion mechanism, it's just skool.
 
Ell
I just took a size_t in the constructor and memcpy'd everything :V
 
9:08 PM
Eh, you could do typed homogeneous list with some x-macros
 
or don’t
 
yeah X macros can do pretty much what templates can, but in even more retarded way
 
"Don't" is in general p good advice when it comes to programming
 
heh
just don't program ;p
 
Just go be a model
 
9:10 PM
@Morwenn then mumble later... if that's still alive
 
I'd love to be a plant.
 
@thecoshman I don't mumble.
 
@ElimGarak Flowey would like to have a word with you
 
@ScottW It's really our lord savior, captain Benjamin Sisko, who takes credit there!
 
It's about letting go, Courier
 
@Morwenn drink more
 
So, next algorithm to steal will probably be block sort.
 
sleepsort
 
sleepsort(collection, time); // try to sort collection in less than time
 
Ell
write fairysort. Where the body calls sleep and hopes that in the morning, the list is sorted
 
9:18 PM
collection sortedOut; sleepsort(collection, &sortedOut).then([] { /* assume sorted by now */ });
 
cocksort(collection); // sort by how well you use it, because size doesn't matter
14
man I'm so sick
fuck flu
 
Ell
:(
 
oh andy
@AndyProwl hope you get better soon. <3 <3 <3 hugs Andy
 
worst possible time to get sick
@TonyTheLion <3
lots of love guys
 
@AndyProwl There's no good time to get sick.
There are sick times to feel good though.
 
9:19 PM
True, but there's horrible times
 
Huh, a single NVMe-based SSD gulps up about 4 PCIe lanes. Those lanes are at a premium, though. Hard to imagine having three or more without the GPUs starting to suffer.
 
like, the week you miss your ex and all interesting things are going on, unlike the weeks after
also I hope this will be over by next Thursday cos Meeting C++
 
@AndyProwl It'll get better, just keep on pushing forward :D
 
We'll give Andy lots of Lounge Love <3
 
@ElimGarak I have nothing to push into :D
 
9:21 PM
something something about cock something
 
Someone get this man a stack!
 
A stack of drugs may help
 
@AndyProwl You can still push onwards.
 
Not the same thing
 
9:23 PM
Thank you Lounge
you know what I need
send me your moms
 
They all fat and postage be expensive yo
 
let them roll
 
@AndyProwl That one is for you:
 
@Morwenn you talking about fisting?
 
Xeo
@AndyProwl oooh, it's already so close, isn't it.
 
9:25 PM
@thecoshman I'm not into fisting. And fisting isn't into me either.
 
@Xeo right
@Morwenn yay
momjokesneverenough
 
@Morwenn tut tut, and you gave out at me for being closed minded about no nipple play.
 
Fisting reminds me of trying to shove a shitload of data into a 16 byte node.
4
 
@thecoshman My mind might not be closed, my ass is not as large.
 
@ElimGarak Don't tell that to your date
 
Xeo
9:27 PM
argh, c'mon image cache, updaaate
 
@Morwenn lol, well not if you don't at least try :P
 
@Xeo yup did it
 
Xeo
there we go
 
@ElimGarak Can't say I'm an expert, but I don't smarts can make a hand any smaller
 
Xeo
geh. Stupid small images in chat.
 
9:28 PM
@Xeo well, it's gone...
 
yeah they get worse when downsized
2
 
and F5 has it still there :(
it's like a skid mark
 
Xeo
oh well. this'll have to do for now. Happy now, @Mysticial?
I did this just for you.
So better be grateful.
 
you did nothing
wait... did you centre the eyes?
 
Xeo
not on purpose.
 
9:31 PM
you suck
 
@thecoshman For a long time, I actually thought it an impossibility until once I decided to observe for science reasons. Cannot be unseen.
 
Xeo
wait, you still have the old one
refresh, badlet
 
While I am now convinced that it can happen, I am fascinated by the conversation thread which leads to it.
 
@Xeo oh, refreshing AGAIN reloaded it
@ElimGarak so what, you thought it was just some urbun myth that everyone like to pretend was real?
 
Xeo
alright, time for sleeps
2
 
9:37 PM
@thecoshman I couldn't imagine a conversation that leads to it. While I accept we will never know the why, I am extremely curious how the eloquent fister presents the proposal.
 
user1804599
Hoi.
 
@ElimGarak You know, there's even a place dedicated to fisting in France. It's rather well-known.
It's called La Fistinière.
 
@Morwenn Is it France?
 
@Puppy I think so?
 
user1804599
@Morwenn :(
 
user1804599
9:40 PM
 
@ElimGarak Dear sir, would per chance be interested in partaking of the parsing of some time whilst I do place my hand with in the confines of your posterior?
 
The website makes me want to puke though.
 
> In the United Kingdom fisting is legal to perform; however, the Crown Prosecution Service considers publication of fisting material to be grounds for prosecution under the Obscene Publications Act 1959.
 
user1804599
@ElimGarak calls itself a western country
 
> Fisting can cause laceration or perforation of the vagina, perineum, rectum, and/or colon, resulting in serious injury and even death. In addition, sexual activities that cause air to enter the vagina can lead to a fatal air embolism, and the risk is probably even higher during pregnancy.
My thinking exactly. You know, beyond merely being gross.
 
user1804599
9:42 PM
One of my favourite songs is about fisting.
 
@sehe I have an easy one for you. Difficult for me, can't write hard in a place with this level of frustration.
 
user1804599
It goes shoulder deep!!1
 
So, the GitHub redesign is basically the introduction of horizontal tabs instead of the hipster like width-eating vertical tabs. Anything else new?
 
@ElimGarak Yeah. But it makes my README look awkward now. It looked better with a narrower width.
 
user1804599
9:45 PM
@ElimGarak Yes: 80 column readmes no longer format nicely without excessive right-hand margin.
 
No folders for repos that I have seen
Maybe create another account
 
@Xeo YAY!!!
Much better. :P:P:P
I was running out of ways to insult you had you kept it.
 
I can't get over how weird people look without any hair on their head. Especially hampers my ability to appreciate a head model in development. The lack of eyebrows is the most disturbing. Exhibit A
 
You should be used to it by now :)
 
9:51 PM
lol 80 character lines
Are we in 1960
 
user1804599
@ElimGarak Do fake eyebrows count as eyebrows?
 
user1804599
@milleniumbug allows two/three files next to each other on a single screen, which is very nice.
 
any of you guys can recommend a fuzzing tool?
 
Get a bigger screen/smaller font (just kidding)
 
@orlp ?
 
user1804599
9:54 PM
@orlp what is a fuzzing tool?
 
as in fuzzy logic
 
user1804599
inb4 /dev/random
 
Fuzz testing or fuzzing is a software testing technique, often automated or semi-automated, that involves providing invalid, unexpected, or random data to the inputs of a computer program. The program is then monitored for exceptions such as crashes, or failing built-in code assertions or for finding potential memory leaks. Fuzzing is commonly used to test for security problems in software or computer systems. It is a form of random testing which has been used for testing hardware or software. The field of fuzzing originated with Barton Miller at the University of Wisconsin in 1988. This early...
 
user1804599
quickcheck
 
user1804599
9:55 PM
dunno
 
QuickCheck is not a security fuzzer
 
that's an impressive list of programs it has been used to find bugs in
v8, sed, awk, make, m4, yacc, PHP, ImageMagick, freedesktop.org, patch, libtasn1, libvorbis, zsh, lua, ninja, ruby, busybox, gcrypt, vim, Tor, poppler, libopus, BSD sh, gcc, qemu, w3m, etc); found security issues in all sorts of less-widespread software (e.g., parrot, lodepng, json-glib, cabextract, libmspack, qprint, gpsbabel, dmg2img, antiword, arj, unrar, unace, zoo, rzip, lrzip, libiso*, libtta, duktape, splint, zpaq, assimp, cppcheck, fasm, catdoc, pngcrush, cmark, p7zip, ...
I'd post more but message too long
 
lcamtuf is p good at security
 
@Xeo Looks pretty neato.
 
10:11 PM
Whoever designed this interface should be fired and possibly detained for crimes against humanity.
 
@ElimGarak what happened to your rep
 
@orlp What, not 146 anymore?
 
@ElimGarak That's an interface?
 
@ElimGarak I thought you had like 10k or smt
 
That's Borgleader :D
 
10:14 PM
@JerryCoffin I always think your profile pic is spider
 
user1804599
fucking sick fucks
 
@orlp It's not an interface either.
 
@ElimGarak photoshopped
I can tell by the pixels
 
10:17 PM
@Elyse And then they got shot? And one is dead? Nice reaction.
 
user1804599
Very reasonable.
 
@JerryCoffin It's a priceless work of art. :P However, the UI seems to be the least of their problems, given how much of a commercial flop that thing is.
 
@Elyse Plot twist: the 70 year old man abused them for years
 
Apparently dutchman have no manners whatsoever
 
@ElimGarak As long as you're using "priceless" to mean "I wouldn't pay a penny for it", I pretty much agree.
 
user1804599
10:23 PM
@Columbo ????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????
 
I asked how you been and you didn't reply
 
user1804599
Ok.
 
Excellent.
I was worried the boredom fucked your brain up, but it seems otherwise.
 
user1804599
Wrote some Ruby code today and it was a delightful experience.
 
Some Perl, too?
 
user1804599
10:25 PM
I don't really like Tcl. It's not what I hoped it would be.
 
@Columbo Writing C++ fucked up his brain. The boredom is just a side-effect.
 
@JerryCoffin Wait, doesn't C sharpen the mind? Or am I thinking of the wrong language?
 
user1804599
Java doesn't.
 
I have to write Java until 2am.
Those ticks are ludicrous and I hate them. But they're mandatory.
 
@Columbo I said C++, not C. C++ sharpens, but also twists, so your mind ends up like a really good corkscrew.
 
10:28 PM
@JerryCoffin Actually, I was referring to C# and anticipated mediocre puns, but opening wine with your mind is excellent, too
 
@Columbo Oh, but C# dulls the mind.
 
@Columbo Eh~, I was too late for the C# pun :(
 
@JerryCoffin Gave it a try? I wonder whether it would be a better language for education…
 
:27062215 The original claim was diagonally--but that's mostly trying to obtain legitimacy by association.
 
In our forelast lecture, our prof wrote char* a = "asdf" and "couldn't be bothered" to correct it since he only got a warning on GCC
Then proceeded to modify the string literal
 
10:31 PM
That's an almost literal repost
 
@набиячлэвэлиь Wait, wait, wait
 
@Columbo No, sir!
 
Repost of what
What have I reposten
 
I remember an almost identical character string being posted here already
(well, before the edit)
 
@Columbo I've used it some, but don't particularly care for it. One quick test I've developed over the years is to encrypt some data using RSA in that language. In C++, I write code for the actual RSA algorithm (using a big-integer library). In C# and Java, I used the RSA implementation in the standard library. The part I really hate: the code to use their existing implementation is longer and more complex than the code to actually implement the algorithm in C++!
 
10:33 PM
And the splitting is identical as well
 
@JerryCoffin lol
@набиячлэвэлиь I might have mentioned my profs idiocy before, the more the better
 
@Columbo Kill the prof v0v
 
@набиячлэвэлиь No, he's a cool guy
Just needs to spend more than twenty hours on C++ to include it in lectures
Also, he explains how C++ is not as safe as Java, because you can get memory leaks by writing "Foo* p = new Foo; …; // delete p;".
ARE YOU FUCKING RETARDED MATE I'LL SHOVE UNIQUE_PTR AND AUTOMATIC STORAGE DURATION UP YOUR FUCKING ARSE IN A MINUTE
…I subsequently calm down, but it's always a struggle
 
any of you want to be mai waifu
 
Ell
@Columbo but whyyy
Cambridge
How can profs be like this
 
10:39 PM
@Ell He concentrates on Java
Such a pro, right?
 
Ell
Did you "correct" him?
 
@Ell I do in every lecture, but in that particular case, my hopes were really low, and he is probably bigoted in that respect, so… y'know
I didn't
 
Ell
(Ie "hmm wouldn't that be undefined behavior according to $blah? I was just wondering because youre more intelligent that me so I want to understand why this is allowed)
 
@Ell §2.13.x IIRC
(Or did you mean the missing destructor call/delete for *p? That's not UB.)
 
Ell
I mean modifying string literal
My point was to correct a prof you might need to be subtle
I haven't had the balls to do it yet. But they don't really make mistakes seemingly
 
10:42 PM
@Ell Yeah, I mean modifying const objects is UB, clearly, and a note in [lex.string]/16 concludes that
@Ell You can afford to, just go for it
 
Ell
I think the worst I've had is my comparch lecturer saying that endianness is order of bits instead of bytes
 
@Ell Well, maybe he just misspoke himself
 
Ell
Maybe
So my profs don't appear to make mistakes
but then again maybe I'm just not quick enough to catch them
 
don't you get both bit order endianess and byte order endianess?
though I guess bit order is something that only really matters at very low level, like physical medium
 
theoretically, endianness applies to anything that can be ordered, I would say.
but AFAIK it's common that it's used to refer to byte order; I am not aware of any means by which you could observe bit order changes
 
10:56 PM
@Columbo Given the number of times I've had a real problem with a memory leak in the last decade or so, I have to wonder exactly how this would mean anything even if it was correct.
 
@JerryCoffin … so you had almost no real problems, I suppose?
 
@Puppy well, like I said, physical medium. But I'd imagine most physical protocols dictate it rather well. And yeah, I guess anything ordered cab have endianess
 
I mean, I can hardly imagine how one could create leaks if you get ownership and RAII right.
 
@Columbo Can hardly remember the last time I had a memory leak problem.
 
@Columbo It can be done but it's pretty difficult. It mostly involves having to interoperate with C# through a C API
 
10:59 PM
@Puppy Is that the prelude of an anecdote
 
several
 
Well, once C gets into play, stuff gets squishy, I guess?
 

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