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4:06 PM
@Dean It means the post is garbage
 
also this just in
Dell as a bad as lenovo when it comes to certificates
 
3 hours ago, by Cat Plus Plus
http://joenord.blogspot.com/2015/11/new-dell-computer-comes-with-edellroot.html laffffffo
Bartek always 1 step ahead of yesterday
 
is your laptop infected
 
I'm sick as fuck
 
4:08 PM
Must be from all the C++
 
:(
I wanted to east sushi tonight but maybe that's not a very good idea
 
@KevinC I'd agree there. I don't think many people here vouch for C++ as a beginner's language. Although it might well be that these resources are actually a good fit them. I'd have to go over and look
 
I should stop browsing hknowstore.com.
What's up?
 
@Elyse's cock, probably
 
4:18 PM
Vulkin <3
 
Every lounge conversation eventually tends toward cock
 
user1804599
@Jefery don't.
 
user406009
 
@EtiennedeMartel youtube.com/watch?v=le-FLQfmKis (spoilers)
 
@CatPlusPlus Yeah, dat ending.
 
4:21 PM
@Elyse How's audiere treatin' ya'?
 
@EtiennedeMartel o_0 what's that meant to be>
 
play undertale
 
@TonyTheLion I love cocks
and chickens
 
@thecoshman It's a Vulkin. A volcano on legs. They think their lava heals people, so they're just trying to help.
 
4:24 PM
@EtiennedeMartel who do?
oh, Vulkins
 
@Morwenn what that say?
 
@thecoshman « France, fuck yeah! »
 
user406009
@Mysticial HTTPS everywhere is the only solution.
 
user406009
4:26 PM
That's why Lets Encrypt is so important.
 
> warning: typedef 'using Flat = using type = using type = using type = using type = using type = using type = using type = using type = using type = struct hybrid_adapter<int, float, double, char>' locally defined but not used
4
 
@Xeo subtitles say durian though
 
Xeo
Hm
I only know that as a gif without subtitles
 
ohhh durian is a smelly fruit
 
youtube with subs > gif without subs
it is known
anyway off to bread
 
4:29 PM
good night
 
Still unable to code an auto-flattening template parameter list :(
 
sounds hard
2
that star
 
I only managed to get a list that auto-flattens its head recursively, but it doesn't help when the recursive type is somewhere else in the parameter list. It's sad that I can't even write that when the pseudocode is that simple.
 
Refactoring makes me feel so clean and innocent
 
@sehe Well, it would be quite nice of you if you could take a look at that issue. I would be most satisfied if that text (only the first section) read: Introductory, no previous C++ programming experience, or if Stroustroup book was simply moved into the next section (I actually prefer this resolution).
 
4:46 PM
@Mysticial Kinky. Now they can really scare the shit out of individuals.
CHeck it out, it's been an RFC since forever: tools.ietf.org/html/rfc6108
My only question now: is it possible to lift 100% of internet traffic up into an encrypted / secure connection?
Or at least, a huge majority of it?
 
yes
there is a small performance cost
OTOH if englishmen make encryption illegal everywhere it won't be
 
Well yeah, but I think that doesn't really matter unless you're doing something real-timey like a game.
 
The performance cost hasn't mattered for a long time
 
You can only get secure stuff if the sites you hit all use HTTPs.
 
@ThePhD That's actually a reason to use SSL: if your activity uses a lot of resources, you don't want your ISP to depriorize it
 
4:54 PM
I'm wondering if it can be applied to not-HTTPs stuff.
 
Hopefully TLS gets replaced by something simpler though
 
> When Google switched Gmail to use HTTPS, no additional resources were required; no network hardware, no new hosts. It only increased CPU load by about 1%.
 
But not all websites can serve content over https/tls, no?
Both sides have to agree to it?
 
Both sides of what
Browsers support TLS since forever
 
@ThePhD That's because of a.) effort b.) money c.) silly browser warnings if you use unsigned certs
 
4:56 PM
@ThePhD Yeah, you have to configure your server to support HTTPS, also it's better if you can get a certificate because the self-signed dialog is scary
 
All certs are signed
It really doesn't cost much either, unless you're running something that warrants extended authentication
 
I have no idea how much it actually costs
 
I'm not sure.
 
if you don't need wildcards, StartSSL can provide a cert for free
 
Single-domain cert is around the cost of a single domain
That's like 20$ for domain and a cert for it total per year
 
4:58 PM
Then it's really stupid not to offer HTTPS
 
Yes it is
Let's Encrypt starts a public beta soonish so domain-validated certs should no longer be a problem ever
 
I'll have to read up on how they hand out certs.
Because part of the certificate is not just getting your stuff encrypted,
but also the certificate saying that you are who you say you are, right?
 
Certificate is entirely for authentication
Encryption keys are negotiated separately
 
5:02 PM
Oh.
 
Domain-validated certs only prove ownership of the domain
 
So Let's Encrypt handles both the certs and the keys, or...?
 
CAs deal with certs
DV is entirely automatable
You just have to add a DNS entry or whatever
 
user406009
@ThePhD There are different types of certs. Some just guarantee that you own the domain (DV). Others guarantee that you actually own the company (EV and OV)
 
user406009
5:04 PM
Browsers distinguish them by showing like green locks for the higher security (EV) certs.
 
user406009
Let's encrypt only verifies that you control the domain.
 
user406009
The certs that verify company ownership require manual verification and cannot be easily automated.
 
OV is more or less not worth it anyway
You either stick with basic or go for EV
 
user406009
Yeah, most people only need DV.
 
user406009
IMHO EV only gets important when money is on the line.
 
5:06 PM
Is calc.exe broken in win 10?
 
user406009
Like a shopping website or whatever.
 
@JohanLarsson I don't believe it exists anymore.
You instead have to use the Calculator App.
 
win+r > calc started something
 
It's a Metro thing now
 
A shitty metro thing
that actually has a less friendly user interface
and doesn't respect some of the history features and shortcuts the old calc had
 
5:07 PM
Yeah it has some fairly annoying problems with focusing
 
got it to calc what I wanted now :)
C# is a poor fit for a laptop, bloat everywhere
 
Huh.
 
user406009
What? I doubt C# has that much of a speed penalty.
 
user406009
At most it's probably like 2-3 X.
 
~~bloat~~
 
5:13 PM
@Lalaland so much text and lines with just braces
With F# a huge mess fits on a small screen :)
 
Oh, you're talking monitor screenspace.
Well, get gud and get a 1920 x 1200 laptop.
 
they handle poorly in bed
 
user406009
Or get a cheap external monitor.
 
where I spend most of my awake time :)
 
user406009
They are like $150 for a 1080p.
 
user406009
5:14 PM
Especially with Black Friday coming up.
 
I can even go CRT right?
 
Ugh using computers in bed
 
effort that
 
user406009
Well, a CRT would have good blacks.
 
user406009
Which is nice when you are in a dark environment like your bed.
 
5:15 PM
re-heating pizza in the box it was delivered in is a good not bad idea... right?
 
Eat it cold and feel the shame
 
user406009
Cold pizza is actually not that bad.
 
user406009
I find that the microwave ruins food.
 
never! I brought it extra specifically to have for dinner to day
@Lalaland hence I never bothered getting one :D
 
flush hot water on it for a while
google translated that
 
user406009
5:19 PM
I find that the best tool is the kitchen is my handy, dandy toaster oven.
 
I mean like this
 
why would I wash my pizza?
@Lalaland aren't hose basically just small ovens?
 
user406009
@thecoshman Yes, but they heat up very quickly.
 
user406009
And you watch the food, so it doesn't burn.
 
you don't have glass doors on your ovens?
 
5:23 PM
which ranged from an “ultra mullet” to a “super mullet.” Do I want to know?
 
@thecoshman I’d never do that, put it on something of yours you know will survive the oven
 
@LucDanton seems fine so far :D
And this means I can avoid washing up XD
 
user406009
@thecoshman Yes,but it's like impossible to see anything in there.
 
@Lalaland well that's just stupid
then clean it you dirty bastard
 
@thecoshman dunno what your box looks like, but presumably the ink/pigments/glue/whatever they use are not put there with cooking in mind—my ovenware has none of that
 
5:28 PM
TIL counted algorithms are great with forward iterators.
 
@LucDanton I could do with a little cancer
 
@Morwenn counted algorithms?
 
std::copy_n and similar I guess
 
@ThePhD Many algorithms take a pair of iterators. A few algorithms take an iterator and a size.
@milleniumbug Yeah, that.
 
You can count me any way you like, babycakes.~
 
5:32 PM
 
Hrm. Maybe it should be you can 'n' my algorithm, replete with eyebrow waggles...
I'll need to experiment with this line.
 
ITT @ThePhD The Phreaking Donjuan :)
 
What.
 
Ell
Oh nice
AMD drivers finally at 1.0.0
 
What's a Donjuan?
Oh, it's like Fabio, but spanish.
 
5:35 PM
Don Juan (Spanish), Don Giovanni (Italian) is a legendary, fictional libertine. The first written version of the Don Juan legend was written by the Spanish dramatist Tirso de Molina (nom de plume of Gabriel Téllez). His play, El burlador de Sevilla y convidado de piedra (The Trickster of Seville and the Stone Guest), was set in the fourteenth century and published in Spain around 1630. The name "Don Juan" is a common metaphor for a "womanizer". == PurposeEdit == The original play was written in the Spanish Golden Age according to its beliefs and ideals, but as the story was translated and time...
o.o
 
Oooh.
 
Ell
Oh wait
Its not even the driver proper I don't think. I'm a little confused
 
Recompile the kernel just to be sure :)
 
Singgreets.
 
I think Eric Niebler also had a thing to make regular algorithms work as counted algorithms, but I don't remember how...
@ScottW Hey <3
 
5:44 PM
hi :)
 
@Morwenn I can only imagine counted algorithms would be faster since you just have to increment and compare an integer, whereas more complex iterators can have ridiculous compare / increment operations that aren't as ezpz.
@ScottW I'm okay.
 
@ScottW s u p
 
Retarded customized hardware video rendering in Firefox and the limited dynamic range. I don't want gray, goddamn it.
 
@ThePhD The problem arises when you repeatedly need the length of the collection: std::distance is O(n) for forward iterators. If you don't actually need to know the end iterator and the size is enough, it can make some things faster.
 
Can't get the drivers to override it. :(
 
I don't have 15 minutes to spend fapping, let alone on gdb right now.
 
Just read the slides
he ignores them, but v0v
AFAICS they are good enough
 
@ElimGarak lol
LOOOOOOOOOOVVVVVVVVEEEEEEEEEEE <3 <3 <3
 
<33333 So, I see that guy is still trying to market his book on SO.
 
eh
 
5:55 PM
Also, if you can't do reflections properly, don't do them at all. Or at least, don't splat them on flat surfaces where your badness is obvious. Makes your shit look worse than it is. Goddamn AC: Syndicate
 
He sounds like a nice guy, but dear lord! He sure is persistent.
 
@Jefery Who? Kevin C?
 
Yeah
 
user1804599
SLUT@!!11
 
6:00 PM
> The problem with women is that they're really, really nice... All the way up until they're really, really not.
This guy is a poet.
 
user1804599
1. Go to https://www.youtube.com/account_playback. 2. Uncheck "Show annotations and in-video notifications". 3. Hit "Save". You're welcome.
 
user1804599
My hero.
 
user1804599
> 1000W LED Flashlight
 
I see TotalBiscuit is having a temper tantrum in the related responses, and notch is involved as well.
 
without annotations we wouldn't have this gem though
 
6:07 PM
B^U animated series had annotations also
 
I can't get over how fat Jim Sterling is :/ But his Jimquisitions are fun.
 
@ElimGarak Is he fatter than @Nooble's mother, doe?
 
@Elyse do you think he knows how to turn off auto play all tabs on opening?
Really strange feature imo, not sure when it is useful.
 
@JohanLarsson There's a plugin for that
 
6:15 PM
lol, "journalists" bitching about YouTube allowing content creators to censor them...
 
I believe they're referred to as takedown strikes and stuff.
 
Yes it's abuse of the DMCA takedown system
It's shitty nonsense
Thankfully tubyube is starting to fight those idiots
 
I agree. But. As "investigative journalists", them bringing the truth about the greedy corporations off the back of a particularly successful greedy corporation is hilarious.
 
That's where the audience is
 
6:21 PM
Is YouTube actually taking some action? Before it was enough just to make a bullshit claim and there it goes. Though, it generates nice drama. Especially Sterling vs Digital Homicide or whatever.
 
Wait, what. I thought those were weekly. I was just watching The Blacklist. Nice, thanks.
 
Thanks!
 
Not you again. Also, that robot rap is hilarious.
 
6:25 PM
by writing code
 
@milleniumbug That's an expensive approach
 
In other news, implementing a stable selection sort for forward iterators was by far trickier than I thought.
 
@ElimGarak I have a much clearer idea of what i want now
 
Glad to hear it. I am sure Loungers will satisfy your entitlement promptly.
 
2 messages moved to bin
 
6:27 PM
Yawn
 
please read the rules and follow them
 
Thanks, bby
 
ie, no question dumping
@ElimGarak you're welcome :)
 
Ahahah, Sterling really hates Randy Pitchford since the Colonial Marines fiasco :D
 
god Piston API is so weird
 
6:38 PM
"MOO Tech" AHAHAH. Oh, gawd.
 
user1804599
 
jQueery
 
Ell
Piston API is steam?
oh wait
> A user friendly game engine written in Rust
 
Any idea whether Steam is going to put some quality minimum requirements? Bring in human editors on top of Greenlight and stuff?
 
Probably no
Also not sure that it should
 
6:47 PM
That's not the job of steam
It's the reviewers' responsibility
 
@CatPlusPlus don't you ever do that again! I just lost ten minutes listening to their shite
 
also see Nintendo seal of approval which was worthless
 
I am curious how some of the ugly stuff gets through Greenlight, especially the stuff that Sterling goes through.
 
Benefits of an open platform greatly outweigh the negatives
 
Can people buy votes on the cheap?
 
6:49 PM
Maybe? It doesn't take that many votes anyway
I really don't see a problem
 
Ell
I think reviews & curators are probably better than minimum quality requirements
 
I think the argument is that small developers have hard time getting through all the noise (which is true) but the solution is apparently to make it even harder (which is what gating content will do)????
 
@milleniumbug only because they handed it out like peanuts at a bar
 
I don't get the reasoning
 
Ell
@sehe well, I want to be able to do git things without it asking me for my private key password every time - on my ubuntu machine gnome-keyring pops up and asks. Ideally I'd like to not have a gui and just have to enter it in the terminal once somehow
I will look into your suggestions though
 
6:51 PM
@CatPlusPlus well, it might not be a bad idea to have some way for that noise to be cleared faster
 
It won't magically make games better, it will just sway the situation more towards AAA again
@thecoshman It won't get cleared faster if Valve has to review everything in depth
Also Apple does reviews and their store is full of shit anyway, so that solves really absolutely nothing
 
no, and I didn't mean it to sound like I was in favour of that
that's clearly a bad idea
 
It hurts good developers more than shitty shovelware vendors
 
@набиячлэвэлиь I've done used his techniques but it hasn't really changed my views of gdb
 
maybe some way people can get more credibility for saying if things are junk/proper attempts. allow these people to chime up to promote good things and punish bad things earlier
but it's not that bad a model ATM any way
 
6:55 PM
Gdb should have automatic variables and locals. With decent rendering
 
@Ell don't password the key :P
 
Ell
@thecoshman bad idea :P
 
Also, fairly sure you don't have to use the gnome thing to apply that password
 
I haven't used it because I don't use GDB but it might be worth checking out
 
7:00 PM
I'll have a look. Had never heard of it before
 
That actually looks pretty awesome.
 
gdb-dashboard is quite decent, as it displays the context (surrounding lines) and reapplies the print commands, but I can't make it display local variables. Not sure if that's gdb-dashboard's, gdb's or my fault though.
 
Does printing locals through the whatever GDB command is work?
Are you optimising frame pointers
Are your debug symbols correct and loaded
 
info locals iirc?
 
gdb-dashboard is fairly thin wrapper on top of GDB API I think so it shouldn't introduce problems on its own
 
sbi
7:13 PM
Good evening.
 
suddenly, sbi.
 
heh, it's simpler problem: the Stack on the dashboard I was observing only displays function arguments
 
sbi
What do you mean, "suddenly"? I have been here since 2010.
 
Xeo
spontaneously, sbi.
better?
 
it seems to be by design
 
7:15 PM
I looked at the source and locals display is disabled by default
 
sbi
@Xeo Nope. I have looked forward to log in here for hours.
 
Did you enable it :v
 
tbh it wouldn't be very helpful at the moment when your info locals displays this
 
lol
There probably are pretty printers for Boost shit
C++ types are so bad
 
Use Scala
Actually, Scala does some pretty explosive mangling as well
 
7:21 PM
@CatPlusPlus stdlib shit would be a start
 
@sehe it’s fairly adequate these days, if using system-installed GCC check that it provides the pretty printers and point GDB to them
 
how would I check that. Why would it not be default in the packaged versions
 
sbi
@KevinC Well, I most certainly would not appreciate an even longer, more detailed, further drawn out, discussion. Also, FWIW, I do not think you can demand respect on your merits of being an author all by yourself. Plus, there is no double-standard. The only standard existing for inclusion in this list is "most of the respected regulars like it". If you do not accept this criterion, then why did you apply?
@sehe The only way forward I can see would be someone here reading this stuff, deciding it's worth including it in the list, and convincing the others. And I do not see any point in having an "un-reviewed book list". For this, you have Amazon, and the fact that there they are unreviewed (by good C++ programmers, that is), is exactly the point we set up this list: you cannot buy a recommendation here. You have to earn it.
 
+1 I'd volunteer but time is limited.
Also, my experience to date with spending time on his case has not been rewarding
6
 
@sehe I don’t know. Maybe it is? I’ve done the process since I use snapshots and put them in a custom location
maybe it’s all set up on your end and the trunk pretty printers are better, but I’d be surprised
 
sbi
7:26 PM
And now, @KevinC, please allow me to bow out of this fruitless discussion. I have learned to respect @sehe as a very respectful and level-headed opponent in any discussion, and when I see him saying things like this, all of a sudden I lose all interest in discussing anything with you. HAND.
 
Some distros package GDB printers separately afair
Or maybe it was non-standard location, but it was something that required manual intervention
 
sbi
Well, I guess it's beer'o'clock then. Bye!
 
Night ape
 
7:42 PM
@sbi toodles
 
@sehe example which shows that there is some pretty printer support
otoh that doesn’t work for <experimental/optional> and I thought that shipped for 5.2
 
Refactoring is pretty awesome
Have I told you that?
 
Ell
No
 
For some values of awesome.
 
@Ell Oh yeah :)
while True:
    command = command_page(state)
    for regex, fn in commands:
        match = re.match(regex, command)
        if match:
            res = fn(state, *match.groups())
            if res is not None:
                return res
            break
Such indentation, wow
 
7:57 PM
@Jon In my humble opinion your question is very poor, more of a rant than anything else. To add insult to injury the "war stories" you recount show you lack understanding of basic aspects of the C++ language. I didn't downvote, but I guess that explains it. — sehe 12 mins ago
 
How to refactor that, I wonder.
 
@Jefery no. but we knew.
@Jefery why refactor that
 
4 levels of indentation is pretty horrible
It's the most terrible piece of code in the program.
 
@Jefery commands|filter|map
 
But filter would not stop once he found the first match
 
7:59 PM
Also naming. It's weird that you iterate commands but the variable command is not the element var
 
Bloodborne: The Old Hunters
> More of the same, 9/10
 
@sehe True
 
@Jefery depends. You could use anyof/find whatever is there in python
 
Ell
yeah naming can be improved
 
Also filtering by the regex makes me lose the match object
And any of or find has the same issues
 

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