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3:00 PM
@BartekBanachewicz The tail. It's amusing to think of the insurance claim 'tail got trapped in rear wheel'
 
@AndyProwl Wait, they blocked it?
 
@Jefffrey Yeah, like three weeks ago or something
 
@Jefffrey I mean, at my workplace
 
3:02 PM
Yeah. It's... weird.
 
user1804599
Another nice thing with VMs is that you can safely mount /proc @StackedCrooked.
 
user1804599
so Valgrind should work
 
@AndyProwl Is there like some employee working on blocking every new viral online videogame?
 
@Jefffrey Not sure but that's what I thought
 
<DataTemplate DataType="{x:Type system:Object}">
I'm an idiot.
4
 
3:04 PM
Probably they get a summary of most visited unknown sites and they make sure it's not games or stuff like that
ICBW though
 
puppy got a raaaaiiiissseee
 
How'd you do it? Blackmail? Kidnapping? Forgery?
 
all of the above
 
(seriously though, congrats)
 
I was wondering "hmm, 'I'm an idiot' getting starred, Puppy must be around"
 
3:05 PM
Puppy always stars them
 
I need a raise
 
Congrats for the raise anyway
Send us drinks!
 
no way
get your own raise ;p
 
Or rather go back in time and come to the Unconference and pay us drinks there
 
yay puppy
 
3:06 PM
how long you been working there now @Puppy?
 
nine months
 
It works!!!!
I've been spending the whole fucking week on it but now it works
 
and it's a bit nicer too
since they said that officially reviews are supposed to be on the 1st of april
so pay raises get backdated
so my next paycheck will involve a nice extra
 
fucking agar.io
 
3:13 PM
@Puppy :)
 
@Mr.kbok what is it
 
@buttifulbuttefly ruining lives since it started
 
Coconut water is a blessing of the Coconut God
 
> Moving Wikipedia From Computer to Many, Many Bookshelves
"When I started, I wondered, 'What if I took this new thing and made it into that old thing?'"
interesting reason to... print wikipedia
 
@buttifulbuttefly TIBCO DataSynapse GridServer ®
 
3:18 PM
Rien que le nom est tout un programme
 
user1804599
 
@AlexM. How inconsiderate of the environment.
It will be outdated after the first page is printed.
 
It's a terrible piece of crap but it's what we use so
I want to benchmark our grid
 
@TonyTheLion welp it's a hipster with a custom coiffured dog
sounds about right
 
Today I proposed using a database for storing events instead of a text log file and my boss said no vOv
 
3:21 PM
@buttifulbuttefly Is your boss a programmer?
 
Yes but hmmm he's more finance-inclined than software engineering-inclined, so to speak
 
ah ok
 
He's not a bad programmer but many of the architectural choices make little sense to me
 
so do you find hedge funds are very high stress to work for?
 
Oh no on the IT side it's not that stressful actually, just long working hours.
 
3:24 PM
ah cool
 
user1804599
@buttifulbuttefly do it anyway
 
The only thing that irks me is the "do it fast, not right" attitude - IOW it's clearly not a software shop
 
@buttifulbuttefly heh, that same attitude here where I work
 
high five
 
That same attitude at the place I used to work. low five
 
Ell
3:25 PM
@buttifulbuttefly why did he say no?
 
No justification
 
Ell
the worst kind of justification
 
I'll do it anyway at some point
 
@buttifulbuttefly I wonder if its a finance thing, or just a software thing
 
My experience in the industry is too limited to tell
 
3:29 PM
Anyone wanna help me nuke a terrible non-answer? :)
 
sure
I'm all in for nuking shit answers
 
0
A: Why is processing a sorted array faster than an unsorted array?

Sarath Mohan I am taking the searching of sorted arrays for example of processing (Since searching takes much time). In sorted arrays, there is a pattern from low to high or high to low and if we divide the array into two, using the divide point we can predict which values will appear in both two divisions...

 
lol
 
Mysticial trying to maintain its upvote monopole
 
It's kinda hilarious how many bad answers that thing attracts. But that's kinda expected.
 
3:31 PM
> its
 
@Mysticial how's the new job?
 
Ell
@Mysticial I feel sorry for these people
in my head they are just trying to help
but I'm not sure if that is true in real life
 
@TonyTheLion Very good so far. I really like the work that I'm doing. Except for the long hours - but that's to be expected in this industry.
 
@Mysticial Cool. What do you mean with "long hours" exactly?
 
3:33 PM
8 to 5
 
@Ell Most of the new answers on that are probably rep-grab attempts.
 
@buttifulbuttefly that's about what I do most days
 
@TonyTheLion 8:30 to 7:30-8ish
So >11 hour days.
 
@Mysticial that's long yea
and that's expected from you every day?
 
@TonyTheLion In theory I'm supposed to start at 7:50 and finish at 19. In practice it's more 8:30 ("it's OK for the beginning" said my boss) and finish at 19:30~
 
3:35 PM
crickey
 
@TonyTheLion I wouldn't say it's "expected", but that's how long everyone else around me works.
 
@Mysticial jee whizz
 
Ell
@buttifulbuttefly wow
 
Also sometimes work saturdays but not the whole day
 
Ell
you must be getting bank
 
3:36 PM
@buttifulbuttefly I do that too at times, but not often
 
@Ell Yes but no life
 
at least not as often as I used too
 
@Mysticial craziness
 
Ell
@buttifulbuttefly I guess vOv
you have a life here
 
yes i love uguis
btw we're hiring
lol
 
3:37 PM
yea you said
would take you up on that offer, but :Hong Kong:
moving to the other side of the planet is a big risk
 
On what regards?
 
well if it ends up not working out
then fuck
 
A direct flight to London is about 14h
 
Even though I kinda speak the language, I wouldn't move to Hong Kong.
 
Ell
I would love to move to hong kong
 
3:38 PM
@Mysticial 90% of people speak English
 
@buttifulbuttefly I'm finding the LA one already quite long, which is 11h
 
China is pretty scary
 
Ell
shame I'm not good enough at programming most like
 
@buttifulbuttefly I have a lot of stuff, and the double-taxation stuff.
 
Ell
mainland china is different to hong kong. still scary though
 
3:39 PM
Too far away.
 
Actually nearly everyone speaks Cantonese + Mandarin + English
 
I hate the weather in HK.
 
@buttifulbuttefly I don't want to work with text files 11 hours a day
 
Ell
Double taxation?
 
@Mysticial Oh, yeah, double tax :D
 
3:39 PM
also I would have to have been in Hong Kong before ever being able to decide to move there
 
@Mr.kbok Come support me in my design choices (it's a startup so we're pretty much building the whole thing from the ground up)
 
Ell
I thought hong kong didn't tax on income
well, very much
 
HK income tax is ~12% for hedge-fun level salaries and there's no other kind of tax at all
 
@buttifulbuttefly It works better when you don't look like a local. But I look like a local - but I don't speak the language fluently. Nor am I literate.
 
@Ell He meant US. You still have to pay taxes to USA even if you work abroad.
 
Ell
3:41 PM
Oh right
 
US people pay ALL THE TAXES
 
@buttifulbuttefly what.
 
Ell
Not if you live in HK though surely?
 
wtf is this shit
 
oh yes you do
 
3:41 PM
yes you do
 
@Ell Yes you do, hence the term "double tax"
 
Ell
man
wow
 
This is ridiculous
 
because you get tax fucked up the butt
 
Ell
I will never
 
3:41 PM
There are arrangements with some countries though I believe
 
you can never leave the IRS again
 
Ell
I want to become a swiss citizen
 
(And yes if you're wondering it's the one and only country on this side of the local galaxy cluster that does this)
 
It's also the only country with Nicholas Cage
 
Get your shit together, US
 
3:43 PM
Anyway HK is not scary compared to mainland China where people are actually insane and the pollution levels give you cancer in less time than it takes to blink
 
also moving to the other side of the world where you don't know anyone
 
I also don't like how the fact that housing in HK makes the Bay Area look like chum-change.
 
@TonyTheLion Hey if a 23 y/o dude/chick like me can do it anyone can
 
Ell
you can't do yoga in HK though
 
@buttifulbuttefly you're courageous
also what's visa requirements like?
 
3:44 PM
@Mysticial Depends where you live but yes indeed :D
@Ell There's yoga salons everywhere
@TonyTheLion Very easy for British citizens and/or qualified workers in the IT/finance field
 
Ell
I actually meant that religious thing
hmm what is it
 
Falun Gong?
 
Ell
Probably vOv
 
coming through
bliss/10
 
@buttifulbuttefly I'm not a British citizen
I'm Belgian, just happen to live/work here
 
3:46 PM
Well nobody's perfect
Also that explains the accent (kidding)
 
It's very easy to get a visa for qualified workers. I got one even though it's my first job.
 
Ell
How does the application process go?
phone interview first?
 
I forgot, I think there's 2-3 interviews, all over Skype.
 
it ok no problem here
 
3:49 PM
For those who don't believe the air quality in HK is actually reasonable: aqicn.org/city/hongkong
In the winter though the winds come from china and they smell of cancer
 
Why is git submodule so goddamn slow?
 
Submodules are always slow for whatever reason
 
i absolutely hate mr. kbok's profile picture
it's a hot girl...that's not actually represented by a hot girl
(i'm actually an orca)
 
@DonLarynx Don't play an MMO, you'll explode.
 
3:54 PM
would make love to Vanessa Paradis with the sucker power of 10000 Paradise smoothies
 
"the applicant has a good education background, normally a first degree in the relevant field"
that's one disadvantage of having no degree, work visas become almost impossible :(
 
have I mentioned how much I abhor agar.io
@TonyTheLion Not sure it's a problem given your work experience. If you want me to pass your CV over, tell me.
 
@buttifulbuttefly before I do that, I'd need a bit more info about the hows and why's and wherefores. Probably Skype would be better suited for a conversation like that.
 
Yes of course
 
dejavu
 
4:07 PM
Decisions, so many decisions
Go full MySQL API or half PHP-half MySQL API?
 
@Jefffrey The answer is "yes you should delete that code"
 
One is purist and the other is boring.
Pick my poison.
 
both are shit
whats the third choice?
 
Ell
@Jefffrey full MySQL
 
@TonyTheLion Drop uni
 
4:09 PM
don't do that
 
Ell
half n half is the worst of both worlds
 
@DonLarynx she's like 45yo thou
 
half PHP half SQL
 
@Ell It's not like I can avoid PHP anyway. But at least it's segregated to the "view" part of the project.
 
Half SQL half MyPHP
 
4:09 PM
you have the chance to find things that make up for the other's shortcomings
 
Ell
@Jefffrey that's good
 
I never liked going full SQL
 
Also what makes you think I'm not actually a hot girl
 
see my comment about TSQL a day or so ago
 
How do Professors at Uni reach the conclusion that teaching PHP to students is a good idea?
 
4:10 PM
On the other hand, full SQL appears to be full of boilerplate code like:
 
@TonyTheLion webdev courses
 
oh yea because its easy
@AlexM. :/
 
Wait what do you mean by full sql
 
create function person_exists(in_tax_code char(16))
return boolean
begin
    declare ret boolean;
    select exists(
        select taxcode from people
        where taxcode = in_tax_code
    ) into ret;
    return ret;
end//
 
we had one
html + js + php
but the exam only had html + js
 
4:11 PM
@buttifulbuttefly Basically provide functions and procedures and only read access to some tables.
 
m8 why do you find it so hard to pick
 
user1804599
Hello.
 
Aka validate data at the SQL layer with checks?
 
you make it seem like it's some important decision
 
Yeah
 
user1804599
4:12 PM
@Jefffrey eww.
 
user1804599
Use PostgreSQL.
 
go with php and mysql and unless you need something complicated make php act like some sort of indirection
 
Yeah I'd go with the full SQL constrained version
 
@buttifulbuttefly The idea is to have a fully functional SQL API, with which the PHP "view" interfaces
It sounds more fun to be honest.
I've written so many PHP applications in my days, that I could write a blog with my eyes closed.
Not even kidding.
 
I'm out of hot ketchup fuck
 
4:14 PM
Don't fuck hot ketchup, cool it first.
@rightfold eh
 
the hot ketchup pizza places sell is a joke
 
@AlexM. Well it is.
 
no it's not, do what works and it's ok
 
uh
 
3 mins ago, by Alex M.
go with php and mysql and unless you need something complicated make php act like some sort of indirection
 
4:16 PM
gridserver y u no propagate
 
Everything works if you want it hard enough
 
you make it sound like you have a PHP view
and an SQL controller
which is really weird lol
 
It's not boring and I think it's possible v0v
 
you can place constraints with triggers I guess but I wouldn't write actual controller logic in SQL
 
SQL is a weak language. Only use stored procs if you have a performance issue
 
4:17 PM
Probably also fun with a DBMS that has at least half of the SQL standard working, like PostgreSQL
 
make your view call myNicePHPCode() which if does trivial things just calls SQL otherwise it does things
 
OTOH PHP is weak too so
 
you don't appreciate just how lazy we are.
I don't blink. Period. I even sleep with my eyes wide shut
 
Not to mention that this is a database course, so the PHP part is irrelevant for the grade.
 
@Jefffrey right... Are you in college :D
 
4:18 PM
Then it's completely different. Boast your insane SQL skillz
 
@sehe Yeah basically
 
You can do mad stuffz with stateful sessions but then you'd need a real database
 
@buttifulbuttefly But sometimes, out of the blue, it's for an entirely different reason. Don't ask me why. I've seen it consistently happen in the wild
@Jefffrey You should (or will) know better
 
Thank you guys.
 
I'm getting tired of submodules
 
4:20 PM
I will either fail terribly or succeed awesomely.
 
@buttifulbuttefly Everyone is. I like them when they work. It's a neat way of annotating your project with "hot references" so to speak. But for anything that really needs to "breath" along (with branching and so on) it's not convenient
 
@Jefffrey be sure to come back and let us know if your prof gave as much of a shit about what you've done as you're giving
 
@sehe I want packages!
 
@AlexM. I already know the answer. It's no.
 
@Jefffrey That's the right spirit. I think you're gonna succeed. But don't reckon yourself rich because "it's about the database". You'll get graded for the assignment.
 
4:22 PM
The right boost spirit!
 
Old
 
7 mins ago, by Jefffrey
@AlexM. Well it is.
so it isn't
 
Ell
the build system should be provided by the package manager
 
In fact the assignment is worth like 10% of the whole course grade, together with written test and oral (no, not sexually) exam.
@AlexM. It is for me.
 
Ell
or they should be integrated somehow
 
4:23 PM
It's either go safe and learn nothing new, or experiment with SQL a little.
 
@sehe much like you :p
 
@Ell Not really, no
 
@buttifulbuttefly prove it
 
@Ell How and what for
 
@Jefffrey precisely. "Required: PHP" - opportunity to organiza your code well in the absense of proper tools
 
4:25 PM
inb4 Jeffffrey fails awesomely and/or succeeds terribly
 
Still not sold on decorators taking ownership. I think that just writing a composite class of simple wrapping decorators inside a factory function is a more sane choice. How do we handle eg. an indenting_ostream that enhances std::cout's behaviour? We obviously don't want it to take ownership but we do want it to take ownership if we create and handle it as a concrete object instead of a wrapper.
 
Why would it do both in the first place
 
Take in std::streambuf instead
 
I was going to make a joke on the environmental impact of concrete objects but no
 
@Veritas The object that writes to the ostream should not take ownership
 
4:28 PM
@R.MartinhoFernandes I like this. I try to do this myself. I don't care much about "rules"; I try to live a lot by what I would like others to do. Even sometimes if it means I am (seemingly) the only who does.
And yes sometimes you have a very hard time explaining to others that all their rational arguments ("it doesn't work that way!"/"that's useless"/"you're a thief of your own purse"/"don't be a hypocrite" etc.) don't matter enough to override my personal wish/conviction.
 
@milleniumbug the ostream wrapper pretty much takes an ostream and initializes the std::ostream part with the std::streambuf decorator that wraps the given stream's streambuf.
 
@buttifulbuttefly depends on where you drop them
 
I had an ostream but I removed the wrapper, because who eats wrappers? :P
 
btw sorry if I don't read the atmosphere sometimes and go offtopic.
 
4:34 PM
@R.MartinhoFernandes Not really. I'd also note that it doesn't take very many people changing their thinking very much to start making differences. Yes, plane will still fly--but even a small percentage changing how they travel can start to affect how often they fly, which reduces environmental impact. It's not an all-or-nothing situation by any means.
 
@Veritas Why not take std::streambuf directly? It's more clear that they share a buffer then.
 
Ven
@sehe "you're a thief of your own purse"? funny one
 
@R.MartinhoFernandes I don't think so. However, there's something that makes me think of do-gooder derogation.
 
@Ven dutchism; you realized this
 
> use a long short
> no use a medium
 
4:40 PM
@milleniumbug because it owns the wrapper object (not the wrapped one).
 
Ell
@CatPlusPlus to download dependencies or sth
I don't know
I haven't actually thought it through
 
I'm shocked
 
It works
 
If you really want integration then build system can be aware of the package manager (see e.g. MSBuild and NuGet), but you better have good both or allow either or both to be replaced
 
@Mr.kbok what, and why is this a newsitem?
 
4:43 PM
@Veritas I don't quite get it - who owns the what?
 
It's an RPC system based on GridServer and boost::serialization
 
@Mr.kbok does it require owned char*? That's a fail API in my book
 
And GridServer is what
 
y u no std::make_unique
 
@sehe No; it's an implementation detail. You're looking at generated code
 
4:44 PM
so, yes (I don't care about the visibility; I care about the fact that it requires copying that you cannot prevent)
 
It's just that the GridServer API sucks so I have to do this
 
Xeo
So, API fail.
nobody said it was your fail :P
 
sure :)
 
4:46 PM
Well it's Brendan Eich
 
@AlexM. lots of people, actually. People use javascript as-if bytecode
 
Jun 11 at 13:34, by Mr. kbok
Guys I'm attempting something crazy; watch me.
 
@sehe what for?
 
@Mr.kbok So you don't want to work with text files but new char[] is ok?
 
I started 6 days ago
 
4:47 PM
@TonyTheLion for running their shit client side
 
Ven
> The optional DEPENDING ON clause can be added to an OCCURS to create a variable-length table. Such tables
will be allocated out to the maximum size specified as integer-2. At execution time the value of identifier-2 will
determine how many of the table elements are accessible.
 
@TonyTheLion any -> js compilation I guess
 
Ven
:( cobol, y u no VLA
 
@buttifulbuttefly It's just a wrapper around that shitty DLL
 
Yeah yeah ofc ofc
I'll pretend I didn't notice!
 
4:49 PM
hahahaha
 
This isn't how you hire people Mr Judge mcJudgeson
 
@milleniumbug if you care enough: coliru.stacked-crooked.com/a/c4f02511387875e2
 
@Mr.kbok in part, it is of course
 
@Veritas fail
 
@Mr.kbok That's a no-hire! You're fired!
 
4:49 PM
it's ok
some people did worse things
like linking to C:\...
 
IMPOSSIBRU
@AlexM. in a website, nah?
 
I swear I haven't linked coliru correctly even once.
 
impressive
 
@sehe yes, I sometimes see this happen on forums
 
it's ok, we won't judge "your friend"
 
Ell
@Mr.kbok that is my favourite website
 
@Mr.kbok That's the best site.
 
Ell
@SamDeHaan frist ;)
 
@Ell sceond
 
4:53 PM
this looks cool and easy to do stuff with :O arduino.cc/en/Guide/Robot
 
time to slept
 
Ell
Night butte
 
@Ven In about 10 years, we'll rewrite web browsers and operating systems to JavaScript. And we'll have another language on top of that.
@Veritas That's cool, gonna steal it
 
@Mr.kbok what's the password? i.imgur.com/4TwGdiD.png
 
Never knew how to write own std::streambufs
@sehe hunter2
 
4:59 PM
Oh. I forgot my own password. How awkward is that :S
 
Ven
@milleniumbug I can't wait
 

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