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11:05 AM
@wilx Meh. I like my --no-ff.
 
@fredoverflow Ugh, this comic doesn't have a next button at the bottom. WTF.
 
@sbi Oh shit.
@BartekBanachewicz They find them safer and more comfortable, I guess.
 
@R.MartinhoFernandes I have no opinion beyond that I also find GitFlow too complicated for my needs. I am just posting the link as interesting for other to read.
 
@R.MartinhoFernandes but slower and more expensive! It's just the % of motorbikes is really small here compared to e.g. Italy.
 
I think linear history is highly overrated, and I can't even tell the reason.
What's it about beyond OCD?
 
11:09 AM
I use branches compulsively
I don't really get how a linear history is better
 
hey guys, I'm falling asleep and debating Ville about exception handling.
 
@buttifulbuttefly false sense of simplicity
 
(It seems) he says it's OK to catch(...) exceptions in a destructor and set a flag that an error occurred.
Anyone have a handy resource on error handling that describes this anti-pattern?
 
What errors do you need to handle in the destructor
 
Xeo
Don't let exceptions escape a destructor, period.
 
11:13 AM
@Xeo Well, don't let exceptions happen in the first place.
 
Xeo
Whatever you do, don't have a throwing dtor.
 
Xeo
@Potatoswatter Good luck.
 
Ceres still boring.
 
@BartekBanachewicz s/false/(false)/g
 
@R.MartinhoFernandes keep us posted :)
 
@R.MartinhoFernandes Perfect detouring
 
@R.MartinhoFernandes that's not my definition of boring
 
Point being, catch(...) is an anti-pattern, you're not supposed to swallow exceptions even with the best intents of handling them later.
 
@Potatoswatter i'm not convinced catch(...) always amounts to swallowing :/
 
11:15 AM
However, the philosophical argument has been made better than what I can phrase right now…
 
Store it in std::exception_ptr :3
 
catch(...) is not an anti pattern
 
@milleniumbug or rethrow
@buttifulbuttefly it's very often seen as part of an antipattern, meguesses
 
@buttifulbuttefly Oh, it's great if you throw;. But that's specifically not what we're talking about.
 
Xeo
@Potatoswatter It's more important to not let exceptions escape the destructor vOv
 
11:16 AM
@Potatoswatter how would you go about controlling this
 
If I have a long-running service with an event loop that I absolutely do not want to die, I'll wrap the loop body in a catch (...)
 
@sehe Don't perform non-noexcept operations.
(Um, that's obvious, right?)
 
so, equivalent to catching all exceptions and calling fast termination if you catch them. Ack
 
Yeah, good luck with that
 
@Potatoswatter As usual, the obvious answers have thorny sides because otherwise there would not be a debate
 
11:18 AM
@milleniumbug Good luck with what? Not putting throwing operations in a destructor? In fact I've had excellent luck with that…
 
Xeo
4 mins ago, by Xeo
@Potatoswatter Good luck.
 
gonna transport my piano in two weeks
the date has been set
to late to turn back
 
@sehe Dunno. Dawn is freaking awesome (the only craft to have orbited two solar system bodies other than Earth), but Ceres is just a rock with white spots.
 
spotify:track:67M25gNig0fb3Z3lxsfGYt /cc @sehe
 
Youth acne?
 
11:20 AM
@buttifulbuttefly the relative timings of messages. Could be of course you have a friend (erm... strike that)....
 
> We can't stop or control our direction
The further we go, the less protection
 
@sehe Well, as for the debate with Ville, we're (he and I) assuming that no object even wants to do something exception-unsafe unless it's like a transaction, and even then it's a matter of convenience and preference…
 
somehow I think @butt would like the lyrics
 
so, you define an arbitrary domain where the slippery slope is extra tilted.
It's still a slippery slope argument to me
@BartekBanachewicz how does one use these frackin uris
 
@sehe just copy&paste into search bar? :S
 
11:23 AM
which one, bud
 
the spotify one?
 
@sehe ahaaa
 
If it were werkin, would I ask?
 
Okay I'll work on that
 
:D
 
11:24 AM
look it's the same ID anyway :S
 
I mean ... literally earth used to be just a rock in the space. Since when has it became so popular(ous)
 
@BartekBanachewicz differnce is that it works
 
instead of http://open.spotify.com/track/x you get spotify:track:x
@sehe well fuck why would they allow you to copy this "spotify URI" if it didn't work
 
ITT Bartek thinks I'm dumb and blind
 
user1804599
aaaaaaaaa what the fuck
 
11:25 AM
@sehe grrr. Oversights happen.
 
@BartekBanachewicz Don't blame me
 
especially at your age~ (SCNR)
 
@sehe alright alright
 
lol bartek is calling sehe old
 
11:26 AM
Anyhoops. It's the same track I found through Google. I wondered, because ... well it's not so hot :S
 
Puppy got a raise
 
I like Abney Park
@sehe Either you like steampunk or you don't I suppose.
was a comment to what I wrote a few lines above anyway
 
@Puppy Gratz.
Now buy me something.
 
@R.MartinhoFernandes I thought you already have access to your cash
 
not a chance
 
11:27 AM
@MicroHat11 nerds can be noobs
 
@BartekBanachewicz Not related.
 
@BartekBanachewicz I do like it. I'm not convinced by these tracks (1,2,5)
At all
 
@Mgetz That's why I removed comments on my blog.
 
@R.MartinhoFernandes I can't believe they'd be that dumb
 
I'm joking.
 
11:29 AM
@BartekBanachewicz Bad synths, sloppy brass. Self concious vocals
 
@Mgetz Wow such morons
 
puppy got a raaaaaiiiisee
 
They aren't regular morons anymore. They're next generation moron class we're dealing with.
 
@Puppy more dog food!
 
11:30 AM
@Puppy I knew that your well-groomed coat would do it:)
 
Cheers! This will help you more than anyone else: Solve your problem by almost asking on SOsehe 17 secs ago
 
so now you're paying drinks to everyone here, right?
 
no
but I may feel compelled to buy my colleagues one single round.
 
@Puppy ouch; I'm sending this to the GCHQ. Immediate death threats :/
 
11:31 AM
@sehe I solve my problems regularly this way.
 
> Jerry Orr is a software developer who currently spends most of his time on Java and JavaScript web applications
omg so sorry : (
 
oh look a biker died yesterday in my city
 
Might as well undownvote an answer. It's not prime anyways
 
@sehe bang bang
 
@Puppy Maxwell sailed the hammer...
 
11:35 AM
@sehe have a random +1 good sir
 
Ruined it :)
 
Where can I find symbol information for java.exe on MS VS Express 2013 to debug JNI
 
Now I have to downvote 9 other answers
 
oh wtf
 
11:36 AM
> Kafkaesque
first time I see that word
 
in English
I'm used to hear it in my native language
 
In writing, perhaps
 
"Kafkiano"
or something similar
how's "metamorphosis" in german?
Die Verwandlung
here it is
 
"Cannot find or open PDB file." :(
 
11:38 AM
@MicroHat11 you don't need it. Man up and debug without symbols
 
but the breakpoint says it will not currently get hit
and it gets skipped
"The breakpoint will not currently be hit. No symbols have been loaded for this document"
 
ok, I'll stop joking: are you using MSVC?
 
yes
 
@MarcoA. he said so
 
11:41 AM
vs express 2013 c++
 
have you tried rebuilding the project? I assume you're in debug mode and that your "generate pdb stuff" is on
 
yeah, i did clean & rebuild
 
double check that the pdb generation is on
 
My son having fun with the tablet.
 
where can i check that?
 
11:43 AM
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Q: Visual Studio 2010 not generating .pdb files

slemdxI was trying to debug a c++ app, but I saw breakpoints show "breakpoint will not be hit", so I checked the modules window and I saw "Binary was not build with debug information" so no symbols are loaded. And the only pdb file on the /debug folder is vc100.pdb, and there are no other pdb files any...

 
@sehe the hell
how
why
 
thanks i'll check it out
 
@BartekBanachewicz Because curious kid
 
@sehe how old is he?
 
7
 
11:44 AM
@MarcoA. It's already on "Yes (/DEBUG)"
 
omg
make sure to feed his brain, that kid seems really smart
 
@MarcoA. the fun is, either he didn't yet find it, or this app doesn't have a "setup" mode.
 
s/feed/feed on/
 
@BartekBanachewicz oh god no D:
@MicroHat11 can you find the pdb file somewhere?
 
It's also interesting what you can do with a bit of patience/dedication
 
11:46 AM
@MarcoA. No, it's not located in the SymbolCache folder in Temp
 
@MicroHat11 stupid question: are you debugging your own app, right? I mean you're not trying to debug a dll you don't have symbols for I assume
 
yes this is code i wrote, should the symbols be available in the jdk folder?
 
uh I'm not sure then, I never used JNI
try to google it and if you can't find the answer you might consider asking on SO
 
you can't debug in eclipse or something similar if it's the code you wrote?
 
im trying to debug jni with ms vs express 2013 & intellij idea
 
11:52 AM
lol why?
 
because i'm doing jni
 
you are doing jni & you don't know how to debug it?
 
maybe i'll just try and re-setup everything in CLion and see if I can get it working there
Nope
 
1) this isn't a java room 2) it's weird way to debug jni - using ms vs express 2013
 
My initial problem was c++ related though
 
11:55 AM
...
 
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Q: Send image from C++ to Java using JNI

MicroHat11I'm trying to send an image from C++ to java using JNI. The image is a bitmap created in C++ where I cast the pixels using GetDIBits to a char*. When saving the image to a file using C++ there are no problems but when sending the pixels to Java the image is all blurry. The JavaDocs say I have to ...

 
SSCCE or GTFO
 
I agree with these
3
 
user1804599
SSCCE OR GTFO
 
Do you say that to everyone irl asking you a question?
 
11:57 AM
Yes
 
@MicroHat11 I avoid people like you in the first place
 
We don't care
 
You should read the rules
Top item on the starboard
 
yes, especially to girls
 
11:58 AM
@MicroHat11 Not to everyone. But I do say this. The difference is, IRL we could sit down and make the SSCCE together
 
I have learned that if I want to live a long happy life, I need to choose to hang around with the right people
 
@MicroHat11 Yes.
 
user1804599
@MicroHat11 IRL is irrelevant since this is not IRL.
 
this is one of the moments where i regret I can't inline my codementor badge in chat
 
11:59 AM
should decorators take ownership?
 
user1804599
 
@Veritas The 80/20 rule applies there IMHO
 
Maybe I should just upload the project with a portable version of VS express so you can run it
4
 
(you want ownership by default, unless you think you don't)
 
@Veritas decorators should decorate i.e. they aggregate and mimic (inheritance is an implementation option, but then ownership is a no-brainer)
 
12:00 PM
Regardless what you do, however, document your choice.
 
@MarcoA. This will look good on the starboard too
 
Another situation where having a human drone can be mighty handy:
Last sunday my youngest went into the crawling space under the house to permanently wire the new fiber-optics internet connection
 
@Mr.kbok I give that transcript 20 minutes tops to be pointing to penis sentences
 
you can crawl under your house?
 
@sehe so much child abuse
 
12:02 PM
:D
@TonyTheLion Well. I can too, but it's very very tight for me (especially near the water piping)
2
 
you can if your house is built on piers
 
@sehe cc @butt
 
@chmod711telkitty Or if you have another, regular foundation
 
also calling your kids "human drones" :D
 
Well. It's was a revelation of sorts. I hadn't realized he could do that and be happy to help
(I asked both my kids and the eldest ran away in terror)
 
12:04 PM
you bear disappointment and you kids will have to bear with you
 
Last time I did a lot of wiring I went in myself. Not very comfortable. This time, it was easier (no drilling and less searching)
 
> For too long, we have been a passively tolerant society, saying to our citizens 'as long as you obey the law, we will leave you alone'.
How did I miss this? :(
 
I reckoned I would do it myself and the kids would be curious to watch. But my son just did the tight part of the house all by himself (didn't break a sweat; he just said "oh wait, lemme remove these cobwebs here" and "Oh yeah I can the hole you told me about").
@R.MartinhoFernandes I dunno. I still want to know what source you got the quote from yesterday from ...
 
This one is Cameron, google suggests?
 
12:07 PM
@sehe Yes.
 
@R.MartinhoFernandes Oh. Bleyme (spl?) - I missed that plink. Thanks again
 
Is there a way to specialize a template that's outside of the namespace you're in? eg coliru
 
> Why does this pubic member
 
12:11 PM
> pubic
 
@R.MartinhoFernandes I can't get out of the plop namespace
 
> member
 
@Mr.kbok You're screwed.
 
:(
 
Hi. I'm learning C++ , and I am on ints. A 64bit in requires 8bits , and an int has a maximum number. Does this mean that, what every number the int is, it will take 8bits (so if the value was 5 it would be 8 bits and if the value was 800000 it is still 8 bits). The course suggests this is the case but doesn't say it definately is
 
12:13 PM
Is there an ADL like mechanism for template parameters?
 
> A 64bit in requires 8bits
 
@MyDaftQuestions yes
 
@FlorianMargaine, thank you
 
@MyDaftQuestions Basic integral types have constant size, yes
 
Don't mix bits and bytes though
if one byte is 8 bits, then a 64-bit is 8 bytes
 
12:16 PM
@sehe Since I'm quoting random stuff...
> And here's a zinger of a second point: within 30 years at most, possibly a lot sooner, [selling speed cameras] will be a dead business sector. Tumbleweeds and ghost town dead. Self-driving cars will stick to the speed limit because of manufacturer fears over product liability lawsuits, and speed limits may be changed to reflect the reliability of robots over inattentive humans (self-driving cars don't check their Facebook page while changing lanes).
 
@MyDaftQuestions yes, fixed-size numbers have fixed size
 
Thank you @milleniumbug
Thank you (again) @BartekBanachewicz
 
That'll be $35
loungecpp@paypal.com TYIA
 
who was the boost spirit lounger?
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Q: Parser rule is not filling values in Vector properly

Arslan AhmedHere is my code std::ifstream ifs("f:/test.txt"); std::string line; //In header in my code static std::vector<unsigned long long> v_BF_Char; static std::vector<unsigned long long> v_Begin_BF_Range; static std::multimap<uintmax_t, std::string> m_BF_Char; //qi::int_parser<uintmax_t, 16> hex_int;...

 
@R.MartinhoFernandes And the speed limits will take into account realtime local traffic, weather, road conditions and so on
 
12:18 PM
@Mr.kbok we should have that
 
@MarcoA. me
 
@MarcoA. Mostly @sehe
 
can go towards unconference beer
 
@sehe then it's for you :D
 
@TonyTheLion That would pay for unconf
 
12:19 PM
:)
 
it would require a loyal boycott of free help in the lounge
but IMHO it would make sense
we'd at least have damned lounge tees (not unconf tees)
 
@MarcoA. oh well. Must be some course assignment, because I had this one earlier today: stackoverflow.com/q/30883431/85371
 
lazy kids..
mark it as dupe
 
It already is. Not of that one though. The other OP seemed less far on track so I didn't recognize it as a dupe at first
 
I donated to @StackedCrooked for coliru over the weekend, after he revealed how much it costs him every month to keep it alive.
 
12:23 PM
@BartekBanachewicz :/ Still haven't picked them up.
 
@TonyTheLion How much is that?
 
Yup. Not sure he wanted everyone to know.
 
@Jefffrey Quite a lot
 
@TonyTheLion You were the third donation, I guess
 
Put ads everywhere
 
12:24 PM
I think I was the first. I think I heard him mention one other donation
 
@sehe Good point. Although I feel everyone should know
 
@TonyTheLion 70$, IIRC
 
@AndyProwl I read that message in time :D
 
@Mr.kbok Just move away from rackspace :)
 
@Mr.kbok Get a host that doesn't cost an arm and a leg, seriously.
 
12:25 PM
Introduce a freemium model: premium members get a better favicon
3
 
@MarcoA. I think that's a bit overdone :)
 
(I think it's ugly)
 
well wandbox is opensource IIRC
 
@Mr.kbok free members get this favicon
 
@sehe I only recall more or less the estimate you told me yesterday
 
12:26 PM
@FlorianMargaine lol
 
> Oh, and one other dirty little secret from 5,000 years of history: Ethnic cleansing works.
 
@MarcoA. oooh. Maybe he upsized the instance
 
@R.MartinhoFernandes Such as?
 
@R.MartinhoFernandes I suppose that's true... :S
@Jefffrey Scroll back. Around 2-3am CEST
 
"ethnic cleansing"?
 
12:27 PM
a.k.a. murdering and/or chasing away "other" people
 
aka holocaust?
for one example
 
@MarcoA. and many many many more
@MarcoA. best kind of spirit question: answer: "Yes, yes, yes and yes"
 
BTW has coliru moved from googlecode?
 
user1804599
No, it always was on Google Code.
 
^
 
12:28 PM
Come on
 
@sehe That's what (I wish) she said
 
@AndyProwl So you ask random girls "So, are you really frigid?", "Have you committed serious crimes?", "Do think my bum looks fat in these trousers?" and "You're not joking?" on first meeting?
 
"I would do anything for you" -> "SSCCE or gtfo"
 
> 3) If I plan on pursueing a carrer in computer science, should I start using std too?
 
user1804599
@Mr.kbok to what?
 
user1804599
12:36 PM
It's still on Google Code.
 
@MarcoA. lol
 
@sehe Impressive mind-reading skills!
 
user1804599
I feel a wisdom tooth.
 
user1804599
I hope it won't cause problems.
 
user1804599
 
@rightfold actually, I have one redundant wisdom tooth. Genetic aberration
 
user1804599
How often do wisdom teeth cause problems in western world?
 
about 37 times a day
 
user1804599
:(
 
12:48 PM
@sehe do bears have that?
 
I do
 
don't want to scare you but sometimes they need to be surgically removed or "helped"
 
by induction -> bears have an extra wisdom tooth
 
user1804599
Yes, I know.
 
@BartekBanachewicz My dentist is trying to urge me for years.
 
Ell
12:48 PM
they are only a problem if they impact
 
user1804599
Yes, but how often does that occur?
 
user1804599
80% of people? 1%?
 
Ell
> Few studies have addressed the natural prevalence of wisdom teeth being present or the frequency of wisdom tooth eruption.
> One large scale study on a group of young adults in New Zealand showed 95.6% had at least 1 wisdom tooth with an eruption rate of 15% in the maxilla and 20% in the mandible.[23] Another study on 5000 army recruits found 10,767 impacted wisdom teeth.[24]:246 The frequency of impacted lower third molars has been found to be 72%[1] and the frequency of retained impacted wisdom teeth that are free of disease and symptoms is estimated at 11.6% to 29% which drops with age.[23]

The incidence of wisdom tooth removal was estimated to be 4 per 1000 person years in England and Wales prior to the 20
 
@BartekBanachewicz Luckily, he retired and the new one said "mmm. Well you can have some complications with the surgical procedure so let's await how it develops"
 
@sehe don't remind me :/
 
Ell
12:52 PM
I have some teeth coming through, idk if they are wisdom or not
but I assume so at this age
 
@rightfold I thought googlecode was going down
 
Xeo
I only have two wisdom teeth (the bottom ones), and they fit just fine. \o/
 
user1804599
No, that was the RSS reader.
 
@Mr.kbok No, that will be sourceforge, hopefully in the near future
 

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