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12:00 AM
@Columbo You are.
 
@LightnessRacesinOrbit Jesus Christ... I mean "ignored" by use of the chat room feature, not mentally ignored
 
@Columbo You are.
 
What kind of metaphor do chips need to be told to stop fighting?
 
@LightnessRacesinOrbit So how do you see my posts? On an independent computer next to yours? :P
 
@Columbo Omnipotence.
@Columbo Plus the transcript
 
12:01 AM
Semaphores
 
@πάνταῥεῖ you mean cliched :\
 
@Cinch the parable of the ten virgins
 
@thecoshman you mean clichéd
 
Also, I've done badly at my IELTS test
 
@Cinch Did you mean chimps actually?
 
12:03 AM
I blame you @LightnessRacesinOrbit, you are responsible for teaching English around here
 
@πάνταῥεῖ nope. It was lame pun friday in Cinch TZ
 
I love clichés :-P ...
 
@sehe lol
 
.... and punning about them.
 
I can't imagine that you were doing anything other than trolling when you posted your code like this. I know we're supposed to assume good faith and all that, but there must be limits... — Lightness Races in Orbit 29 secs ago
 
12:26 AM
@LightnessRacesinOrbit swapping the axes and correcting for logarithmic scale made the picture a lot clearer o.O — sehe 8 secs ago
 
@StackedCrooked I did. Though not with as much as testing as I normally do.
 
@Mysticial Just put it in production! -- Erik Meijer
 
Normally, I branch, build a release candidate, and let it sit for a week or so.
 
what was released?
 
Then I send it out for private beta testing. Let that sit for a couple of weeks.
 
12:29 AM
@Blob a hot steaming pile; I rarely skip a day
 
So there's usually a month delay from branch to actual release - during which I typically go through 3 or 4 release candidates.
 
It's not commercial software, is it?
 
No it isn't. :)
So there's no deadlines.
 
@Mysticial link or description?
 
12:33 AM
Ah, I was just surprised at your diligence in all this.
 
@StackedCrooked I tend to be really lazy with releases anyway. Usually, I do a release because trunk has gotten so far ahead of release that I should probably do a release just to crowd-source the testing of trunk. :)
 
This is especially the case for the past 2 years where most of the work is refactoring the code from C to C++.
 
Okay, so I wrote Hello World and Hello Parrot!
Levels 1.0 through 1.3 are done.
 
12:38 AM
@Mysticial i thought that was finished a long time ago :|
 
Yo, how do you guys deal with external libraries you have to link to in your project in a git repo? Right now I have paths hard coded
 
Are warnings in stdout or stderr?
 
@Blob Depends on how to define "finished". :)
@StackedCrooked ?
 
Oh wait.
I need sleep soon.
 
Fun watching Sussman count (s before writing ))))
 
12:40 AM
Who is houkouonchi btw?
 
Some guy with some crazy at-home servers.
 
@Mysticial Neat.
 
on an average computer, ~how many digits will it calculate in 5 mins?
 
@StackedCrooked hobo girl-ninja
 
Seems like a not usual type of guy.
@Cinch +1 accepted answer
 
12:43 AM
But yeah, for the first time in years, the released version of y-cruncher is the same as trunk. lol
 
lol, who cares
if it's reasonably stable
 
Is it just me who can't understand this? stackoverflow.com/questions/29055976/…
 
It was either that or releasing on 3.1416.
 
@StackedCrooked I wouldn't know if today's version is stable yet.
I found 1 bug so far, but it's something minor and has been in there for 3 years. So it doesn't really count.
 
This thing gets my CPU to > 80°C.
Is this normal or have I fucked up my CPU cooling?
 
12:47 AM
You should write a performance blog.
 
@BaummitAugen It's normal. A lot of stuff that sufficiently optimized will seriously heat up the CPU.
That said, whether or not 80C is high depends on what your processor is.
 
Intel i7 4790K
 
For some older processors, 80C is definitely in the uncomfortable/unsafe zone.
80C is fine for Haswell.
 
Ok, thanks.
Love your top answers here on SO btw!
 
FML! I have forever been building the efficiency modules when I actually wanted the productivity modules for the rocket defence in Factorio. FML!
I have 50 useless efficiency modules. :(
 
12:51 AM
My 4770K get up to 95C on a hot day. So I don't usually sustain anything heavy on it.
@BaummitAugen thanks!
 
Hey guys: do you like this? This is supposed to be a beginner's section/intro to objects: compactcpp.wordpress.com/2015/03/15/…
 
I have a lil question: how is result == ivec.end() in this question? I thought ivec.end() should return iterator for one past the last last element for a container

int value = 34;

std::vector<int> ivec{ 3, 3, 43, 456, 34, 435,7 };

auto result = find(ivec.begin(), ivec.end(), value);

std::cout << "The Value " << value << (result == ivec.end()
? " is not present" : " is present") << std::endl;
 
@Cinch Well, IMO it feels skinny. It sounds more like a page that says "here are some steps to get you learning yourself", rather than a way to actually teach them.
 
@E_net4 it's really short for a reason
each part of objects is will be introduced very slowly
 
> std::cout << "Result is: " << std::endl;
 
12:55 AM
@Blob thanks
 
> Result is: 3;
 
@androidplusios.design Check the documentation on find. It returns the end() iterator when it doesn't find anything.
 
yaa i know that it has the iterator of 34...but how is result == ivec.end()
 
Alright done
 
*ivec.end() should be one past the last i.e. after 7
?
 
12:58 AM
And it is.
34 is not on the vector.
 
You can't deref end
Also no goddamn code dumps
 
@androidplusios.design coliru.stacked-crooked.com
@E_net4 What would you add?
 
@Cinch Some more explanation. Especially if these concepts were not previously introduced.
 
@E_net4 It's pretty simple, though:
Objects are bundles of variables and functions
Classes define object types
Am I wrong?...
 
Are we absolving a c++ oop basic course here, or what's going on? @Cinch Are you after about something particular? What did you ave for lunch BTW?
 
1:05 AM
@πάνταῥεῖ I had chips for lunch
@πάνταῥεῖ I am creating a C++ tutorial
It's supposed to be minimal and as compact as possible
"lean and mean"
 
@Cinch Much more interesting topic :-P ...
 
This is the article we're looking at.
It's under 400 words.
 
@Cinch how they designed this online compiler thing : coliru.stacked-croooked.com?
I want to built one for my on site. Like khan Acedemy :)
I included that with an Iframe but i want mine
 
@Cinch Sure? What should make it better, than the C++ FAQ or any of the other existing C++ tutorials?
C++ doesn't forgive lean and mean
 
@πάνταῥεῖ 1) It will be ultra compact. C++ tutorials are often long-winded and extensive. I prize easy digestion and easy reading to make learning easy. It goes slowly, but quickly. I have also included a Level 0 to make learning CS easier, period.
 
1:09 AM
@E_net4 Yes, it is
 
@Cinch ^It won't fly actually ...
 
@πάνταῥεῖ 2) It will go past most C++ tutorials into C++11 territory quickly and will also include GitHub snippets and projects to go through once I'm done. I will also introduce other libraries to ease learning of linking and using other people's code
 
So it is. How did I miss it..
 
@πάνταῥεῖ What do you mean?
 
1:10 AM
@androidplusios.design It isn't.
 
@LightnessRacesinOrbit what ain't ?
 
@androidplusios.design You asked "how is result == ivec.end() in this question?" It isn't.
 
ohh that was an old question....i got the answer
 
@androidplusios.design Which was?
 
@androidplusios.design Why'd you reply to me.
 
1:11 AM
now you are here...i might ask you this question

how they designed this online compiler thing : coliru.stacked-croooked.com?
I want to built one for my on site. Like khan Acedemy :)
I included that with an Iframe but i want min
 
@androidplusios.design idk i just use it.
 
Yes, you already said that.
 
Hint if you don't know then you're not qualified to run one
 
@CatPlusPlus ouch for someone with such a cute profile you're so hot
 
Wow. This excellent documentary on earth's orbit has the most epic science vs. troll comment exchange I've ever seen: youtube.com/…
 
1:13 AM
@Cinch How's this ridiculous post supposed to be a "tutorial for c++" actually?
 
any idea how they built it....also i noticed codechef are also using online C++ compilers.....How they do it? Building a Codecademy like site is easy where i we can use run windows as an iframe to show the out but....compiling c++ code online :(
seems very difficult
 
@πάνταῥεῖ ...
 
@πάνταῥεῖ For Pete's sake, can you try to be slightly less burningly sour?
 
@πάνταῥεῖ compactcpp.wordpress.com
Level 0 is the ideal starting point
 
I for one appreciate the the effort. I'm not the target audience. And I view it as marginal. But good things have come from marginal things.
I didn't have much faith in cppreference.com when it started. It's now my go-to reference
 
1:15 AM
@sehe Nope. I don't get it really! (being late in may be)
 
@sehe Note how I'm here like everyday
 
@Cinch It's nice. Second code block has no highlighting and please put a space after //!
 
@πάνταῥεῖ Well. I was talking about the burn and the sour. You don't sound like someone who "really didn't get it". You sound like someone who sits on top of mount Olympus and "gets it very well": it's all ridiculous and bad and misguided and hopeless and wrong.
 
@πάνταῥεῖ We get it. You don't like these tutorials (though you've still yet to explain why). Perhaps you could stop being so rude about it each day?
 
Wow. Me and LRIO in Harmony.
Let's call it a day.
 
1:17 AM
@LightnessRacesinOrbit Done
 
Night all!
 
@androidplusios.design It is.
@Cinch You broke it. Take your time. Don't rush.
 
@LightnessRacesinOrbit Okay now done
 
> You appear to have an academic education which is unfortunate for you, since most of what is taught there is lies and bullshit!
 
@Blob says the youtube troll
 
1:20 AM
@sehe @LightnessRacesinOrbit I'm afraid the blind will going to lead the lame. That's all why I dislike it.
 
@LightnessRacesinOrbit one stupid question.....is that your real photo :) 0_o
 
@πάνταῥεῖ Doens't make it ridiculous. Makes it risky. Guide them. He's very open/
> Read what I posted above if you want to pull your head out of your ass and stop worshiping the false slave psyence of quackademia, where you have placed all of your faith in the imbeciles who are elevated to godlike status, for serving the forces of hell! Get it dude? NOPE! I am sure you will write back with some academic drivel!
 
@androidplusios.design yes. they're all his real pics.
 
@androidplusios.design Yes, they are that sexy!
 
> his
what.
 
1:21 AM
@androidplusios.design Is that your real IQ?
 
the previous one was black (or was it brown?)
before that it was white again
 
@Blob Huh no it wasn't
 
@Cinch that was the joke
 
@LightnessRacesinOrbit looked dark. didn't pay too much attention
 
1:22 AM
@Blob The scene was dark.
 
it's fine to say you're a transracial
we don't mind
 
@Cinch I have lots of real photos. Of cats, e.g.
 
@androidplusios.design Yes, everyone's avatar here is 110% real.
Including mine.
 
I think I'm going to start kicking everyone who comments on LRIOs avatar
 
gosh you look so pretty Nooble
 
1:25 AM
@CatPlusPlus is LRiO that hot
 
My avatar is as real as sqrt(-1).
 
ROFL. This is Neat. Really neat.
@CatPlusPlus Doesn't scale
 
@Nooble imagine that.
 
@sehe :)
 
1:27 AM
@CatPlusPlus Yeah because that's not at all an abuse of your power or an overreaction to entirely innocuous chatter
 
Joke: Playing hide and seek with programmers since 1960 ( ; )
 
Electric Engineers use "j" instead of "i"?
 
@LightnessRacesinOrbit You were supposed to have me plonked remember
 
@πάνταῥεῖ Don't call him "blind". The tutorials do not show him as "blind".
@CatPlusPlus I have just now unplonked you.
 
1:28 AM
Also no creeps rule
 
@Blob yes
 
Yeah right
 
@androidplusios.design The hide and seek champion.
 
@CatPlusPlus Promise
 
And they thought it was Osama Bin Laden.
 
I saw people replying to you about me and decided to see what you were saying.
 
A programmer sent "sqrt(-1)" to the computer. It got angry at him. What did the programmer send in response?
 
@Cinch ?
 
i don't care?
 
Made him return 0?
 
1:30 AM
* i jk *
 
One for the Robot: imgur.com/gallery/g3F7E
 
So, besides pointer wrappers, find, auto, lambdas, copy constructors, etc what else should I cover?
 
piece of advice....can C++ programmer directly start programming DirectX or some pre-requisite are necessary?
 
@androidplusios.design You're funny
 
1:37 AM
Thanks :p
 
@androidplusios.design Well you need to know how to consume oxygen and water
 
The naiveness is strong with this one.
 
@androidplusios.design What I mean is why would you do DirectX when there is OpenGL and other libraries for all platforms?
@androidplusios.design and this is for a 3d shooter?
 
Strange edits you're doing there.
 
may be because companies of my choice uses DirectX instead or OpenGL
@Cinch that's why
 
1:40 AM
...
 
@androidplusios.design Companies of "my" choice
 
Rockstar Games
 
@androidplusios.design Oh noooooooooooooooooooooooooooo
 
what happen?
 
Someone set up us the bomb.
 
1:42 AM
@androidplusios.design you're one of THOSE guys
how much experience do you have with C++?
 
no i am not one of those....I want to be one of those :)
 
@LightnessRacesinOrbit bye
 
@androidplusios.design How much experience do you have with C++?
 
1:42 AM
How cute.
 
I am the objective source of truth: OpenGL > DirectX
 
Not much :) why you asked that? I am a student :)
 
DirectX will be obsolete in 10 years. Hopefully 5.
 
@androidplusios.design Not much is probably <6 months
How old are you?
 
1:44 AM
And what major?
 
I leave you with a "what the hell" moment from our favourite country
 
Computer Engg.
 
@androidplusios.design And what year?
@LightnessRacesinOrbit oh my god
 
CARP
 
1:44 AM
@LightnessRacesinOrbit what
 
@androidplusios.design I'm surprised that you're a Comp E major and you still haven't done much with C++
 
why would they rape a 74 year old
what the fuck
 
@androidplusios.design What does not much mean?
How long?
 
I am in second yaer
year
 
@androidplusios.design What topics do you know already
 
1:45 AM
@Blob necrophilie
 
@πάνταῥεῖ Don't go there
 
@Cinch for C++ "not much" is like 4-5 years :|
 
C, Python, Javascript, HTML/css, Bootstrap, SQL,
jquery
 
@androidplusios.design Hm...
 
@Cinch sure
 
1:47 AM
@androidplusios.design I don't think DirectX is good for you if you don't know already
 
@Cinch I didn't have much of C++ in my Computer Engineering major. I took it on my own.
 
@E_net4 How can you not have C++?
 
I do. The degree itself only had an introduction to it.
 
What is the shortest sequence of shift, add, and subtract operations applied to x that will produce 21 times x?
 
@E_net4 i don't even have good teacher at my cllg...i do everything on my own
:)
 
1:48 AM
@androidplusios.design what college?
 
every cllg in India....has this problem not just mine.... @Cinch
except IIT's
IIT: indian institute of technology
 
@androidplusios.design Oh you're from India not US or UK
Okay then uh...
 
Heh, India is going rough on computer engineering. :o
 
@DemCodeLines x+x+x+x+x+x+x+x+x+x+x+x+x+x+x+x+x+x+x+x+x?
 
@DemCodeLines You mean 21 inb4 the half of 42?
 
1:49 AM
no my family has shifted to UK...its just me who's here
 
If you're asking us if C++ is used with DirectX then you probably don't know enough about C++ to do it
Have you made Pong yet?
 
@Blob wat?
 
@DemCodeLines it's 21, i think c:
 
I have build some games in python using pygame but they look ridiculous :(
 
@androidplusios.design Why don't you start with SDL or SFML?
@androidplusios.design libsdl.org
SDL is what Pygame is based on anyways
 
1:52 AM
is widely used? @Cinch
 
SDL is.
 
@androidplusios.design SDL has been used greatly before
i.e. Civ 4 for Linux and Angry Birds use SDL
 
The latest version has its own 2d/3D graphics engine.
Or was it just 2D?
 
I also would suggest that you learn OpenGL for cross-platform support
The newest API that supercedes OpenGL, Vulkan, will also be cross-platform + mobile and will be superior to DirectX in portability
 
everything is superior to DirectX in portability
 
1:54 AM
@E_net4 Just 2D
 
Indeed.
 
They make OpenGL easy for SDL though
 
OpenGl @Cinch for sure but where should i start......i was starting off with DirectX coz i have startup resources for it....Microsoft is giving video tutorials for DirectX...any good resource for OpenGL ?
 
@androidplusios.design antongerdelan.net/opengl
Only learn the latest OpenGL, not 2.0.
2.0 and 3.0 are outdated and although some devices only support that the number will shrink
 
If you want to make games then forget about GL and DX and use Unity or UE
 
1:55 AM
@CatPlusPlus soon: Source 2
c:
 
@CatPlusPlus This too, using a game engine is superior to any raw programming
 
@CatPlusPlus unity use C#
?
 
@androidplusios.design For coding, yes.
That shouldn't be a problem if you're looking seriously at making games.
 
Hey quick question about DirectX.
The last standalone SDK was released in 2010. Since then it's been included as part of the Windows SDK. But it looks like since then, you can only create desktop apps as a store app but then set a "desktop" capability.
I don't understand.
 
yaa @Banath i missed that question...
 
1:57 AM
@Banath They're probably pushing Windows 8-style Metro apps first, then "Desktop" apps second.
Windows needs to go the way of the Dodo bird.
 
They are really working on DirectX....also you can't port DirectX code into OpenGl or some other( read somewhere )
 
@androidplusios.design Duh, it's Microsoft.
Therefore you should ignore Microsoft.
DirectX may be more than just graphics, but it's better to reach a wider audience anyways
 
The question is: is the DirectX 2010 SDK the most recent version I can use to create classic desktop games? Or is there some 'trick' with the Windows SDK to do it?
 
@Banath My advice is to ignore Windows and pretend it doesn't exist
 
Doesn't work for me
 
1:59 AM
@Banath why.
 
@Cinch, because I need to learn DirectX specifically.
 
@Banath for?
 
@Cinch, it's really not any of your business...
 
@Banath it is if you're asking.
 

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