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2:00 AM
tell him Banath...doesn't matter much
 
There's no trick hth
 
@Cinch. I'd like to apply to a position somewhere in SIGMA (they own DirectX) or Xbox in the future
 
@Banath Interesting.
Well I can't stop you then.
 
@Cinch, if you don't have the answer to my question, it's fine. Just thought I'd stop by here and check first before posting about it.
 
hmm....also i think i you are applying for a job at microsoft...they will prefer one who has DirectX knowledge instead of OpenGL..just a thought
 
2:01 AM
@androidplusios.design lol Microsoft.
 
@androidplusios.design Correct.
 
I don't even know where Microsoft stands right now.
 
@Cinch, haters gonna hate. Talk to Satya about it
 
Are they still into the corporate battle-mindset or are they more open source? I can't tell.
 
Microsoft is the only company that pays good here in my country...
 
2:02 AM
@Cinch, there's a huge movement towards open source recently.
@Cinch, *inside of Microsoft.
 
@Banath Well idk if that's a good thing for them.
Their big problem is that they are not retaining market share as much as they should
they've lost mobile and are losing desktop
They're not dying yet, but they're not doing great.
 
@Cinch, there's a lot of changes that have been taking place since the new CEO. At least they're trying something
 
ain't xbox doing well?
 
@androidplusios.design Xbox has a major problem of being a half CC of PlayStation
 
@androidplusios.design there's a bunch of 1 billion+ groups inside of Microsoft.
 
2:04 AM
i c
 
@Banath I just hope they can rebrand correctly.
They're losing Windows and they might wane like Apple eventually.
 
@Cinch, there's talk of Apple becoming the first 1 trillion $ business. Not sure what 'waning' you are referring to
 
@CatPlusPlus Did you wanted to do some kind of OAuth login for Lounge<Chat>?
 
I like Apple...since i got MacBook pro retina....they really do great work in designing a master piece
 
@Jefffrey Yes, maybe, what's the difference
 
2:08 AM
You got to wonder why you chose Haskell for authentication.
 
To see whether it's not shit experience maybe
(Spoilers it was)
 
@Banath The PAST Apple
pre iPod
 
laffo masterpiece
 
You would basically have to implement OAuth all by yourself. I have no idea how hard it is, but sounds like something you don't want to do. Or maybe Yesod has something specific for itself, maybe with Google and Twitter.
Python social auth is a very nice tool for that, if you forget about the fact that you have to write in Python.
 
Yes I already reported on how shitty the web ecosystem in Haskell is
It's a dead irrelevant project why are you even bringing it up now
 
2:19 AM
Jesus Christ, I'm sorry for I have sinned.
 
I'd write in in C# anyway
 
would you rather to have cosinned?
 
Not that it matters, the platform is scrapped, the chat's been scrapped for over a year, no need for the auth bit
 
@chmod711telkitty or perhaps there is a 3rd option where we go off on a tangent
 
It's scrapped only because you lost faith in it.
 
2:22 AM
Which one
Platform's scrapped because there's literally zero interest
Also you don't need me for anything if you want to do either
 
But yes, unless Stack Exchange does something very terrible to chat.SO, I don't see people migrating anywhere or spend their free time working on one.
 
Driverless cars have a dirty little secret they'll consume more energy than cars with drivers. That's the somewhat counterintuitive conclusion in a new study.
How is that counterintuitive? Navigation & computing need power which consumes energy
 
@chmod711telkitty idk if we should have driverless cars, to be honest
it's dangerous because the recognition and thinking software just isn't really there yet
I mean what if someone suddenly stops in front of a car by accident?
Or what if an accident happens?
 
Driverless cars are at least 5 years away from being allowed in the streets, I guess.
 
@Jefffrey They already did the neglect thing which is p terrible
 
2:32 AM
@CatPlusPlus Not terrible enough to make anybody leave apparently. Also recently they have been doing some small improvements. See youtube video titles and @ now shows avatars too.
Also kicking privileges have been added.
 
Are audits not editable yet
 
What audits?
 
I don't really care anymore, I have more important things to worry about
Like fucking deadlines
 
Windows 10 is coming out guys...guys?
 
2:42 AM
i'm trying to write a function that adds numbers
i'm debugging and it's working as i expect
but it's giving unexpected answers
i either proved 10+5 = 12 or i'm retarded
 
> it's working as i expect
> but it's giving unexpected answers
So which one is it?
 
@Jefffrey each individual step works as i expect
> Also I think that global variables have static storage, if I recall correctly
 
3:02 AM
lol Blob
 
@Blob Do I recall incorrectly?
 
@Jefffrey No. I just can't imagine an alternative.
i wonder
 
Actually I think that it has external linkage, in standardise terms.
 
are cryptologists just really shitty programmers?
 
Dunno what that means, and don't care too much honestly.
 
3:09 AM
all initialized ones go to data and uninitialized ones go to bss
screw what the language says
i'd consider both of those to have "static storage"
 
Linkage and duration are two different things
 
@blob finally done man just missing comments
ccloud.us/test
@Jefffrey sup dude
im out guys take care
 
cya
 
3:46 AM
@Mysticial Why don't you use TBB?
 
@Rapptz I've looked at it, but it didn't provide anything useful.
 
How so?
 
Though it's possible that I could've overlooked stuff.
TBB looks a bit like a glorified OpenMP, but with parallel containers and such. Whereas I specifically need recursive fork-join - which Cilk Plus fits perfectly.
 
TBB does support fork join though..
Same with OpenMP lol
 
OpenMP's recursive fork-join is a joke.
 
3:53 AM
@Mysticial ??
 
I won't know if TBB supports recursive fork-join in an efficient way.
 
I have no reason to believe it isn't.
 
But Cilk Plus was literally built for recursive fork-join.
@Borgleader By default, OpenMP doesn't support recursive parallel regions. You can force it on, but it spawns threads instead of doing something smarter such a thread pool or a work-stealer.
OpenMP is literally meant for, "here's a loop with a gazzilion iterations, let's parallelize it".
 
@Mysticial so it just spawns "infinite" threads?
 
@Borgleader If you do it recursively, yes.
 
3:55 AM
Haha... wow
 
@Rapptz I'm assuming this came up because you're reading this? numberworld.org/y-cruncher/guides/…
 
Yes.
I had it open in a tab and I was confused why TBB was missing there.
 
I wonder if C++ AMP supports this
on CPU at least, since it wouldnt make sense on GPU
 
4:33 AM
@chmod711telkitty There's pretty good reason to believe they'll get better fuel economy per distance traveled. The theory is that they'll end up being used enough more than there will be a net loss.
 
SDL sucks
 
5:15 AM
@Pris ???
 
 
2 hours later…
7:27 AM
2 hours later…
still nothing ...
 
user1804599
8:13 AM
Crystal has weird type inference.
 
user1804599
Types of fields are inferred from what you assign them to anywhere in your program.
 
user1804599
8:29 AM
{% for i in 0 ... @length %}
  return self[{{i}}] if {{i}} == index
{% end %}
 
user1804599
hahhaah django templates in source code
 
user1804599
Meh, open classes. Terrible.
 
8:53 AM
> sorry, unimplemented: string literal in function template signature
surprised I’ve never run into that one before
 
@LucDanton code?
 
Something as simple as void f(int(&)[sizeof "lol"]); I think.
Oh wait that one doesn’t make sense
template<typename T> void f(int(&)[some_trait<T, sizeof "lol">]);
or similar, I’m not too sure
the idea being mangling function template specializations correctly so that separate specializations really have a different symbol
 
that's interesting - I have never ever needed anything like sizeof "..."
I see
 
Why was m dumped by y?
Because it was having relations with x and taking enhancements with b.
 
well, you can easily fake it
 
8:59 AM
decltype opened a can of worms on that front. For a while decltype( dependent.*blah ) didn’t have a corresponding mangling
Mar 11 '13 at 16:11, by Luc Danton
@JerryCoffin With constant expressions/decltype sometimes bits of the signature have to be mangled as well. Not so long ago I hit a GCC bug with something like template</* */> auto operator()(Lhs&& lhs, Rhs&&) -> decltype( std::declval<Lhs>().*std::declval<Rhs>() ); about 'mangling dotstar' or such.
 
sbi
Hi.
 
facepalm
 
@ScarletAmaranth Yeah in my case the actual literal has no impact on the actual signature, so I’ll replace it with some std::declval call or similar.
 
sbi
Is anyone here vaguely familiar with state machines?
 
do you have a specific question?
 
sbi
9:06 AM
In many state machines you have events that can occur at any time (think event_error_occured or event_stop) and need to put the state machine into some special state (state_erroneous or state_deinit).
What would you call a transition that can occur at any state in a state machine?
(For example, while I was thinking of errors only, I thought "panic transition" would be a good name, but then the "stop" scenario came to my mind, and there it doesn't seem to fit well.)
 
it's a transition like any other - why invent a special name?
 
sbi
@ScarletAmaranth I am writing a (generalized) state machine and I want to put an end to the need that you have to create a transition for every state to go to the error (or deinit) state when the error (or stop) event occurs.
Instead users should just write something like panic_transition< event_error, state_error>.
Except that "panic transition" doesn't quite fit.
 
why make such general transition an error transition?
what if I want to be able to get to some "final" state from each state?
will you make a final_transition for that too?
 
sbi
@ScarletAmaranth Then this would underline that fact that "panic transition" doesn't quite fit the bill?
 
looks more like error or exception catching (in coding)
 
9:10 AM
@sbi it would underline the fact that it should not be called a panic transition, NOR error transition, nor anythign like that; it should be a general name of sorts
 
sbi
@ScarletAmaranth "final transition"? No, that sounds wrong, too. It's not fineal, you might transition to some other state as well.
 
exactly
that was the point of final transition
 
sbi
@chmod711telkitty Except it's not only about errors.
 
it shouln't be there
 
is it a terminal state?
 
9:11 AM
so you DO understand that it's not about errors; then why call it "panic" or some such?
 
sbi
@ScarletAmaranth Right. Care to suggest something?
@ScarletAmaranth No, such a transition doesn't have to be final.
5 mins ago, by sbi
(For example, while I was thinking of errors only, I thought "panic transition" would be a good name, but then the "stop" scenario came to my mind, and there it doesn't seem to fit well.)
 
@sbi yes - I was still just pointing out that it was a silly idea :P
universal_transition?
 
sbi
@ScarletAmaranth Mhmm.
 
pause_transition
 
sbi
9:12 AM
@chmod711telkitty That's wrong. "Deinitializing" is not a "pause state".
 
special_transition? :p
 
if you can specify what states can listen to "an event", you don't even need a special case; just new_transition<all_states, event_error, state_error>
 
sbi
@chmod711telkitty It needs to be more specific. What kind of special?
@ScarletAmaranth Oh!
I like that "all states" proxy.
I already have things like "last state" (to go back to from a pause, for example), so this might fit.
Now I only have to think about how to implement that. :(
 
sound better than making a special case
 
sbi
Yeah. Thanks a ton!
 
9:21 AM
oh I thought that was a fairly simple system we had going there. We like chocolate spread and peanut butter, so if we open the last jar, make sure a back up is put on shopping list. Seemed to work fairly well. ¬_¬
 
sbi
@thecoshman Did you just continue a conversation that was interrupted a few hours or years ago? because I do not see what your statement relates to.
 
@sbi no, just morning grumbles
 
sbi
@thecoshman Ah, so the "fairly simple system" failed?
 
@sbi by lack of participation
 
sbi
@thecoshman Lemme guess... It wasn't you who failed to participate? :)
 
9:27 AM
@sbi All she had to do was tell me the lsat jars were opened and I could have happily picked up some more on way home. but nooooo
 
sbi
@thecoshman Ditch her!
 
and to ad insult to injury, it was a god damn empty jar that was returned to cupboard!
 
sbi
@thecoshman Sue her for compensation!
What, you don't want to ditch and sue her over that?
 
eating
 
can i ask programming question here
 
9:31 AM
GIVE YOUR MUM AN ITCH-FREE MOTHERS DAY THIS YEAR. Forget flowers or chocolates. Give her a gift she wont forget! https://cards.twitter.com/cards/18ce53w61wk/dp9p
 
sbi
@kapil If you dare. (More often than never, such questions are badly formulated here and lead to people dissing you.)
Sometimes people are interested, though.
Mar 1 at 19:34, by Cat Plus Plus
Read the rules.
 
ok @sbi
 
@sbi you do realise the expression is "more often than not"... which I realise doesn't make sense...
 
sbi
@thecoshman No, I didn't realize. So I have this one wrong?
Dang.
Thanks for fixing my grammar. (Hey, would you have thought you'd ever...?)
 
@sbi afraid so. Wasn't sure if you were just being you with it.
 
sbi
9:34 AM
AFAICT, I am always me.
 
@sbi I know how to speak my language... sort of it.
@sbi well, sometimes you have a tail
 
sbi
What?
 
I know, shocking really.
So have you finally got a bit of spare time?
 
sbi
@thecoshman Actually I have no idea what you're talking about.
 
It's like you've been perpetually busy for the ages
@sbi tall... like a monkey tail...
 
sbi
9:36 AM
@thecoshman A bit. I have no kids to take care of this weekend. I did wield a masonry drill most of yesterday, though. I am working right now. :( I will spend the afternoon with a friend, though.
 
wrong tail?
 
If i ask something wrong here will i be banned
 
sbi
@thecoshman Wrong clade. I am an ape. Apes do not have tails.
 
@kapil it's generally considered bad form to ask questions here.
@sbi yeah, that was the silliness I was getting at :\
 
sbi
@thecoshman That's not true. Scroll up, I came here to ask a question.
 
9:38 AM
@kapil but at this point, it would be less annoying to just ask
@sbi welcome to the two tier system :P
 
sbi
@kapil No, unless you keep insisting those calling you idiots are idiots while a room owner is here, we will just yell at you and dislike you. Which might be worse.
 
@sbi ok :)
 
sbi
@kapil Really, why don't you just read the rules I pointed out? They spell it out in detail.
That's why we made the effort of writing them down, and keep them pinned to the top of the starboard, after all.
 
@sbi i will now
 
9:41 AM
if you care for such information (or not) it's time for a trip to 'the office'
 
sbi
@wilx Yeah, the guy's been laughed at quite a bit this week here in Germany.
Anyway, I'll now return to my state machine stuff.
 
@sbi I am seriously baffled by the stupidity of it. :D
 
@sbi you actually solved the dilemma? I kept my mouth shut to spare you trying to explain it yet again.
 
sbi
@wilx You need to know that the guy who was ordered to pay has gotten his degree with a paper on viruses...
 
@sbi lol, what?
 
9:44 AM
@wilx there was something similar for some other medical thing I think recently... maybe it was this though :\
 
sbi
@thecoshman Actually, @ScarletAmaranth had a neat idea. Only I now need to implement it, and that might be hard...
@wilx IIRC, his degree (medical doctor? biologist?) was gained with some work in the area of viruses. Might have been bacteria, but I think it's viruses.
 
@sbi from what I recall, that basically sums up FSM. conceptually rather easy, but implementing is just endless questions about how you need it to work
 
sbi
@wilx If you can understand some German, spiegel.de has all the details.
 
@sbi Thanks. I mostly don't understand German. :)
 
sbi
@wilx Sorry, I didn't want to offend. I think you're a Czech (sorry again, if I remember this wrong), and TTBOMK you all had some German in school. (Of course, I had Russian in school and do not understand any of it. But there was a small chance...)
 
9:49 AM
@sbi I did English in school :D
 
sbi
@thecoshman Didn't help much, though.
 
@sbi lol, I am not offended. Geebus, why should I be?
 
@sbi I talk most well
 
I did German for like 5 years over the years in school. It had nearly zero effect on me.
 
sbi
@thecoshman No, we have a small but neat generic state machine in our library, which Björn and I implemented. Now I want to extend this. One thing I want is sub state machines. (Like the state "initializing" being a while state machine of its own.) Another thing is that I want to put an end to the need to put a transition to error (or deinit) in for every possible state. That is just too annoying.
 
9:51 AM
woah
sbi
that's a name I haven't heard in a long time
How many Jerries could a @JerryCoffin coffin if a @JerryCoffin could coffin Jerries?
 
sbi
@wilx I have found that Czechs and Poles were sometimes annoyed when people assume they'd know Russian. Or German, FTM.
 
hi everybody
 
hi
 
sbi
@orlp Must be your fault. It's mentioned fairly regularly here.
 
hi sbi!
 
9:53 AM
@sbi can't blame poles if you look at their history
 
sbi
@wilx Yeah, I know that.
My rules for learning a foreign language are: 1. Be where it's spoken. 2. Be on your own. 3. Be hungry.
@orlp I am not blaming anyone.
 
@sbi I think the idea of 'sub-state' is a bit odd... I think you want some state to just hold another FSM right? When the main FSM enters the certain state, it inits this second FSM and now you basically just have two to manage. Also, why does every state need to be able to transition to an 'error' state, if it's because they can get into an error state, well there you go, they just can. But perhaps you can look at some sort of 'base state' that already handles 'on fault' transition.
 
sbi
@jalf Hi penguin.
 
@sbi 3b. Trying to get laid.
 
sbi
Actually I wanted to go back to working...
 
9:54 AM
Like I said, didn't really read over the original thing, so I probably just said what was already said.
 
sbi
@orlp :)
@thecoshman Look, this is (almost) actual code I am able to write using our state machine:
enum init_state { init_state_configure
                , init_state_connnect
                , init_state_done
                , init_state_deinit
                , init_state_error
                };
enum init_event { init_event_stop
                , init_event_error
                };

typedef state<init_state, init_event> init_states;

typedef
	init_states::transition_table
	< init_states::transition< init_state_configure  , init_states::none, init_state_connnect >
	, init_states::transition< init_state_connect    , init_states::none, init_state_done     >
That any_state is most helpful.
 
@sbi still on C++03 :-/?
 
that's some hefty template code :\
 
sbi
And I want to plug this into the initialization state of the system's state machine.
@ScarletAmaranth Yep. Stuck with an old compiler on an embedded platform.
 
how many times a day do you say to yourself something along the lines of: "I wish I had C++11" :D?
 
sbi
10:00 AM
@thecoshman You can generate a state machine from this by instantiating a template. That's very handy:
typedef init_states::machine< init_transitions
                            , init_state_configure >            init_state_machine;
@ScarletAmaranth Do you have a million dollar? If not, how many times a day...?
 
I don’t have a sandwich.
 
sbi
sudo make yourself a sandwich
 
@sbi I just thought you would want a fsm to be a type... you have a fsm<transition_types> fsm... which sounds 'odd'. I'm sure it works for you. But I would have thought it would be more functions to add the states and transitions and so forth.
 
I don’t have what it takes to make a sandwich, on a Sunday.
 
@sbi target somehow not found
 
sbi
10:04 AM
@thecoshman The idea is that you declare your states and events, write down your transition table, and let the compiler create you a state machine.
 
@sbi that's pretty neat
 
@sbi I still don't see the gain though... either way to need to define a list of states, a list of events and map transitions. as far as I can see, you are just getting all that information baked into a type at compile time... so I guess that saves runtime cost...
 
int* sqrt(int x[10])
{
int *c,i;
for(i=0;i<10;i++)
{
x[i]=x[i]*x[i];
}
p=x;
return p;
}
the following function giving me segmentation fault
 
good for you
 
@kapilsharma Stack Overflow is the appropriate place.
 
sbi
10:08 AM
@thecoshman No. For one you can have the transition table checked for inconsistencies at compile time. (We currently don't do many checks, but it's on the list. Also, provided the library doesn't have any bugs, the state machine generated will implement exactly the transition table you declare. (And if it has a bug, fixing that would fix all uses of it.)
We have problems with lots of hand-coded state machines that have extensive tests, yet some errors slip through.
Just the other week one bricked a battery that's worth several $10k.
@kapilsharma I am pretty sure the link I gave you also explains how formatting works here.
 
@sbi oh yeah, I guess I can see that smarts in that...
@sbi someone else I think :\
 
sbi
@thecoshman C'mon, two users with the first name "kapil" having a question to ask here within an hour? I don't buy it.
 
just write everything in Idris or B-amn and you're good
 
@sbi I don't think we got upset with it because it happened once.
any way, I need to get to sorting out chores :\
first up, laundry
 
sbi
10:13 AM
@jalf Here's another very real one that's the lifecycle of a job:
typedef job_states::transition_table< job_states::transition< ready       , event_run                , running                    >
                                    , job_states::transition< ready       , event_pause              , paused                     >
                                    , job_states::transition< ready       , event_resume             , ready                      >
                                    , job_states::transition< ready       , event_terminate_request  , terminating                >
 
but that means strip the bed, wash, dress :\ life sucks :P
 
sbi
Usually, stripping whoever's lying in your bed is much more fun than stripping the bed.
 
is this fsm code being kept private? I'm sure if you can post it publicly you could get some great help.
@sbi o_0 it's what we say, you take the sheets and covers and what not off the bed, you strip it it...
 
sbi
@thecoshman I don't think I can make it public at this moment.
 
@sbi not ready or too 'work specific'? well, you know what they say, sscce
 
sbi
10:15 AM
@thecoshman I understood that. It prompted this attempt at a pun, though.
@thecoshman The company paid for us to write this.
 
that said, I like the idea, and might have a go at trying a similar thing myself... though I suck at templates :P feel free to stop me there though if that risks you having said too much
 
I am fairly sure it has been done before actually; @sbi
good regex C++ libraries generate FSMs at compile time commonly
 
There’s Boost.MetaStateMachine.
 
sbi
@thecoshman No, go ahead.
I refuse to succumb to the stupidity of making ideas private, even though I understand that implemented ideas can be.
@ScarletAmaranth I am sure of this, too.
 
@sbi erm... feel free to joke all you want about this, but give me a proper answer first... can I just chuck bras in the washer or do I need to do something with them?
 
10:19 AM
@ScarletAmaranth That’s a tall order, given that e.g. string literals are constexpr but not quite compile-time enough. Things like Boost.Phoenix use an EDSL where you write +foo, not "foo+".
 
sbi
@LucDanton We looked at it two years ago. It brought compilation down to a crawl and severely increased executable size. (We have a very serious problem with the latter.) So we cooked up our won, which is considerably less resource hungry.
@thecoshman I put them in a special net before I put them in, because daughter told me to. I dunno what happens if I fail to do that. (The women I lived with weren't the bra-wearing kind.)
 
You’d think languages would be interested in having compile-time friendly literals what with e.g. printf-like interfaces that need checking and don’t really have an i18n-friendly superior alternative.
 
@LucDanton oh ye... well, there's Idris - they try to "unify" the syntax for runtime and compile time to some extent
I really like Idris
 
sbi
@LucDanton Remember: In C++, compile-time processing was an accident not planned for. They created a monster without being aware of it.
 
Hello.
 
10:24 AM
@sbi huh... don't recall such nets being a thing. Well, in it goes!
 
@thecoshman kinky
 
then off for shower, so much for men can't multi-task, laters
 
@ScarletAmaranth Oh yeah I forgot to shove a 'non-dependently typed' in there.
@sbi Plural.
 
@sbi it's the slop that fuels @R.MartinhoFernandes :P
 
sbi
@thecoshman These things have some metal bracket that can wreak all kinds of havoc on the machine when they get lose.
 
10:25 AM
/out
@sbi oh... best leave it out then vOv
/out for reals
 
@LucDanton it's funny that C++ isn't a dependently typed language but you can create safe printf interfaces for example; it somehow supports a strange subset
 
sbi
@thecoshman They usually don't, but one girlfriend I had for a rather short time had one destroy some vital and expensive part of her machine. :/
 
@sbi was it for short time because she was wearing bras? :P
 
@ScarletAmaranth Disagree. Having type-level functions and/or functions overloaded to be both value-level and type-level functions is entirely within the realm of non-DT.
I do consider that constexpr functions are super weird though.
 
sbi
@ScarletAmaranth Let's put it this way: There were things both had as a common cause.
(And it wasn't sacking breasts.)
 
10:30 AM
oo I forgot that GHC Haskell can lift literals with DataKinds, I guess that’s one language then
 
Wow. C++11 std::strftime is pretty heavy.
 
D is as ungoogleable as ever :(
 
oooh, D, ye... :P
 
sbi
Well, it seems I need to log out, too, if I want to get anything done.
Bye!
 
10:35 AM
> void writef(Char, A...)(in Char[] fmt, A args);
If I’m reading this correctly this is not sound.
dunno if it’s idiomatic to use this one though
Oh there’s an std.format module, too, but it starts with class FormatException: object.Exception;
> Signals a mismatch between a format and its corresponding argument.
> uint formattedWrite(Writer, Char, A...)(Writer w, in Char[] fmt, A args);
 
I can't see how it's not sound?
 
writef("%d") looks well-typed to me
Ditto formattedWrite(w, "%d")
 
oh ye, you're definitely right; I can imagine they have a static assert of sorts in place that "later" checks the sizeof... A
 
my understanding of D is that if fmt were accessible at compile-time it would appear in the first set of parens, not the second one.
 
I would interpret it as template <typename Char, typename... A> void writef.... too
 
10:41 AM
righto
> argument to mixin must be a string, not (parse) of type string
Thank you D compiler, that was helpful.
 
Is D still niche
 
yes
 
Google keeps giving me Python results. Is it trying to tell me something?
 
Just specify "programming language"
or "D language"
or Dick.
 
@Rapptz Eh, Python result move down to 4th place instead of first.
 
10:51 AM
@ParkYoung-Bae Now that Rust is here D will probably remain niche
 
Rust is niche too.
 
but is gaining popularity quickly and has good reception
 
lol
 
though I might be biased
 
Idk. I find Rust interesting, but the thing that puts me off is that the community seems to be composed mostly of web devs.
Also, it don't find it sufficiently interesting to switch over
 
10:54 AM
@ParkYoung-Bae I don't get that impression with Rust at all. Are you confused with Go?
 
if there's ever a field for which I wouldn't want to use a statically typed compiled language it'd be webdev
 
@ParkYoung-Bae I can’t see many web devs having any use for Rust. Yes, there are a handful of Web-related projects in Rust (when isn’t there?). I don’t think they really dominate the landscape.
 
I am not interested in Rust at all.
 
@LucDanton Maybe my impression is wrong, then.
 
10:57 AM
When I think of rust I think of the circlejerk over at /r/programming
 
Same
Everytime there's a security issue in some project, "IT WOULDN'T HAVE HAPPENED IN RUST"
 
body is a keyword in D :v
 
Non-contextual keywords suck
 
Rust wouldn't have cut me off.
 
I'm fond of Rust because it introduced a (to my knowledge) new powerful idea with the borrow checker.
 
10:59 AM
relevant video
 

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