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10:00 AM
seriously though
why is that 3 lines message pinned
 
sbi
@thecoshman Indeed. If you want to be an owner, you will have to take the time to closely look at the issue before you call in a mod and get someone suspended. As a lowly user, you don't have to.
 
Oh we "only" have 10 owners now.
 
sbi
@Jefffrey Because I hope that this makes everybody think thrice before adding the pirate back as an owner. Or about their responsibilities as owners.
 
@sbi sure. But it's a bit futile when a random pleb can come in an flag a mod in for next to nothing.
 
@sbi That's power abuse.
 
sbi
10:02 AM
@bd1251252 How about you first learning not to stumble into a room uninvited where random adults have conversations, and then call the police because some of what they say doesn't appeal to you?
 
@sbi Please don't entice him.
 
Morning
 
He already had is round of mocking
 
@sbi ever thought that lack of responsibility results is less moderated self actions?
 
sbi
@thecoshman That's why you, as a mod, would have to stand up and be very clear about the rules. And the No Flags rule was one of the first one.
@Jefffrey What power are you referring to?
 
user1646075
10:04 AM
@Jefffrey then he had several hours of happy conversation. That's like giving a kid cake to make them happy when he is told off for hitting his sister.
 
user1804599
> Unable to resolve symbol: match in this context
 
@sbi The power of pinning posts via Tony.
 
user1804599
/me cries :'(
 
@R.MartinhoFernandes Finally watching the Jonathan Blow video on RAII etc. My god, he’s completely clueless!
 
@aclarke People can change
 
10:04 AM
@Jefffrey It's a request that is entirely up to Tony's discretion.
 
sbi
@thecoshman Even after I replaced the "is" with an "in", I am not sure what this means. (BTW, I am not trying to belittle you for that typo here. I genuinely don't know what you are saying, and wanted to make sure you don't think it's the typo.)
 
Irrelevant
 
@sbi It's been made clear on meta before, we can't overrule SO rules. And 'our rules' can be changes. If you stick to the 'No Flags' rule too strictly, it will be detrimental. It has a (cvery limited) set of valid use cases.
 
No it isn't irrelevant.
It basically refutes your entire point.
 
10:05 AM
@aclarke Some people can change.
 
sbi has no power.
 
He has more power than me apparently.
About doing the exact same action.
 
sbi
@Jefffrey That power you have, too. Get some owners to trust your judgment, and they might do what you ask them to.
 
user1804599
I should try core.typed.
 
user1804599
Static typing is a library feature!
 
10:06 AM
@sbi was a typo, substitution presumption was correct, belittling still presumed based on a very strong trend, "give a child a position of responsibility and they will be responsible"
 
@sbi Nobody trust my judgment.
 
@sbi good morning
 
But my pin request was just as bad as yours.
 
I don't disagree with you.
 
You clearly have more power in this situation.
 
10:07 AM
Oooh pin request pissing contest
 
@Rapptz bollocks. His opinion still holds very strong sway.
 
You guys are mixing up power and influence.
 
Who cares.
 
I do.
 
sbi
@thecoshman Of course it's bad to stick to it too strictly. (That's the definition of "too strictly", after all.) Also: We do override the meta police's rules about every 30mins here. And they have learned to mostly leave us alone despite that, because this is a well-working community.
 
10:08 AM
Power, influence. It doesn't matter. The point is that he got a 3 lines message pinned when he shouldn't have.
 
sbi
@Jefffrey I am honestly sorry for that. I don't see it as my fault, though.
 
And if he should have, then let's pin mine too.
 
@Jefffrey I don't remember they said anything about it. It was more or less... "He broke the law and that's it"... Which law... I guess you'd have to find it on meta if they created a post about it.
 
As pinned, it is within my rights and others to flag anything we want. If it's so annoying, why not just disable it or not give someone the right. I did not realize it would be found "annoying" if I were to flag someone. I simply came across a message that in other chatrooms and forums I've been a member would simply be flagged and removed almost immediately by moderators. I apologize for my ignorance (and that's not a snide remark, like I really mean it, I just didn't have any idea)
 
@Rapptz bollocks, @Sbi has huge sway over the are things are done.
 
10:09 AM
@thecoshman You've already posted this.
 
sbi
@thecoshman That is my way to deal with children. What do you think I do, though, if one of my children doesn't live up to that?
 
@Rapptz oh? chat was acting up.
 
@bd1251252 Not now, please.
 
sbi
@sehe :)
 
I'm unpinning it.
 
sbi
10:10 AM
2 mins ago, by Rapptz
You guys are mixing up power and influence.
 
user1646075
@bd1251252 honest question - how old are you?
 
@sbi you never give your children a second chance? Never forgive them for a minor mistake? They say they don't want to help make cookies once whilst tired and so never get to every again?
 
sbi
@aclarke 19.
 
@aclarke Honest answer -- none of your business
 
@aclarke he claims he is 19
mental age is a whole another matter
 
10:11 AM
@sbi and big companies have no power over legal issues, sure.
 
user1646075
@bd1251252 ok. Mr. B.D., experience counts for a lot. And you can't hide your levels for long, even in text.
 
19 is a good mental age for mathematicians
 
@thecoshman They don't. They have influence.
What part of this is confusing?
 
@Rapptz same end effect, they get what they want.
 
@StackedCrooked Yeah...better at math than I am programming, but I'm learning little here and there
 
10:12 AM
It's short sighted to think they're the same.
 
@bd1251252 No, you are not apologized. You haven't read the room rules. Something that you simply should do in other chatrooms and forums.
 
Someone who influences someone to do something doesn't have liability or have to disclose themselves.
 
@Rapptz it's short sighted to not see it as a problem.
 
Influence is the power to influence people.
 
sbi
@bd1251252 Then here, boy, is an important lesson: If you come into a room full of strangers that obviously are a tightly-knit community, you first stand at the side, watching how the socialize, learn the rules they live by. And you certainly read everything indicated by READ THIS before you even try to interact, let alone intercept.
 
10:13 AM
Stop being pedantic, both of you.
 
It's not being pedantic, they're two completely different words.
 
Yes, they are written differently. That's for sure.
 
^^^ what Rapptz said
 
@sbi Ha, tightly knit? lmao
 
@Rapptz even when taken out of context, that's something a pedant would typically say
 
10:14 AM
@StackedCrooked lol probably
 
Basically you need to standby for months to actually interact with room 10
 
@Rapptz yes... but I am not talking about the words. I am talking about the problem of a party having influence to the point of power.
 
The power to influence people is a certain kind of power.
 
A man with a gun has no direct power over you, just enough influence to have all the power over you he wants.
@HamZa rubbish.
 
I don't know what's hard to understand.
 
10:15 AM
@thecoshman Perhaps it depends on how you define power
 
@Jefffrey See, this is pedantry.
 
@thecoshman unless you say that C++ is the answer to everything
 
@Rapptz Just as much as yours, baby.
 
Smh.
 
user1646075
@bd1251252 Mate, this is a place where people come to relax, take the piss out of each other, let their hair down and enjoy the nerdish pleasures of pedantry, arguing, bullshitting and general conversation.
 
10:17 AM
> Influence: the capacity to have an effect on the character, development, or behaviour of someone or something, or the effect itself.
 
@aclarke pleasures of pedantism :P
 
> Capacity: synonyms: ability, power, potential
 
(yes I know that's not the correct word)
 
sbi
@bd1251252 I'm sorry you just lost your ass. (Some of us have been around here for rather long.)
 
@aclarke Yeah, I've noticed
 
user1646075
10:18 AM
@thecoshman glad you said that - i nearly edited. Would be too embassassing to get wrong grammar in it.
 
lol what dictionary is this?
 
google
 
@sbi o_0 is that really my first post? a) why do you have that to hand, or is that where you were just then b) How did all of us have such out of context hellos, and yet go on to expect others not to?
 
google "social influence" instead since I have to spoonfeed apparently
 
user1646075
10:19 AM
@bd1251252 point is, it's a bit too wild-eyed for carrot juice drinkers in general. Maybe if you hang around it'll do wonders for your coping mechanisms.
 
lol
 
sbi
@thecoshman I dunno if that is your first. I just quickly browsed the early days and linked to the first message I found by someone who's still a regular here.
 
@sbi ah.
 
see guys, what sbi did was not due to his influence. it's due to his social influence
two completely different things
 
sbi
@thecoshman I (again, sigh) don't know what you mean by "How did all of us have such out of context hellos, and yet go on to expect others not to?" Sorry.
 
10:20 AM
mainly because jefffrey just kicked my ass with that "influence" word there
 
Jesus Jefffrey.
2
 
@Nooble and remember reps don't matter because mine are low not cause they just don't matter :P
 
Sometimes I wonder.
 
Yes, I'm that stupid
Wonder no more.
 
sbi
@Rapptz Jefffrey Christ!
 
10:21 AM
@sbi presuming those are our first posts, we all just dived in "here's my question", yet now, we generally a rather against new people doing likewise. But perhaps those are not our first posts, thus voiding my point.
 
@sbi It's the Internet... so I don't think so
 
@bd1251252 ahahah, you obviously are failing hard at basic ability to observe
 
sbi
@thecoshman It's because back then this room was no community working according to established social rules. Everybody stumbled in for the first times, they stumbled in because they wanted to talk about C++, and they were excited about this new chat thing. Over the years, a community has formed. In this room, it's admittedly a bit grumpy, but, and this is important, it has carried this room through four years. That's some merits, there.
 
user1646075
@bd1251252 You're not getting it. These people are friends. They know how to talk to each other. They cope.
 
@Nooble i5 2400
 
10:25 AM
@sbi Some, but still, I think maybe people get a bit too high and mighty about having to dip the toe gentle, when none of us did. Just a little hypocritical, though yes, we do now have a social group more so than back then.
And my lord, four years, it feels so short and yet so long at the same time.
 
four years, wtf
what have I wasted my life here for?
 
@TonyTheLion butts
 
four years are a lot of an online community
 
oh yea, to hear about Cats adventures with buttes
 
@TonyTheLion oh no, that's buttes
 
10:28 AM
Mein buttes
 
yea, spillung mistake
 
sbi
@bd1251252 Even on the Internet you have to think. So, or otherwise. This is almost as old a community as SO's chat feature is. It has survived a lot: People repeatedly causing flamewars, the meta police being all against us, a moderator dethroning all owners with a single stroke... We've seen it all before, even strangers coming in here and flagging messages they didn't like.
This room will get over you sooner or later. Where you end in this is up to you.
 
@TonyTheLion one he has stuck too
@sbi ¬_¬ that feels like you are quoting something....
 
sbi
@thecoshman No, I didn't quote this. I am that good. :)
 
@sbi I wonder how many others have have a formal meet up.
 
10:30 AM
oh god that genesis guy
 
@sbi bah, then is the drivel of a nobody :P
 
oh you
 
@TonyTheLion he he he, I can't help myself sometimes
 
sbi
@thecoshman This is nothing new. I remember every self-respecting Usenet group had a README posted weekly, and you were supposed to read it before you posted. And you were jumped on if you posted something that violated the rules. This isn't really different to RL, you know.
 
@sbi Where I end up? Ha I'm not going to say a thing. I don't in real life, I won't here. And no, I did not do what that guy did in your link. I wasn't actively searching the forum trying to piss people off. I did what I would have done on other forums and chats I've been a member of in the past, so once again, I apologize if it offended some of you. I see how that could be an issue and it will not happen again
 
10:32 AM
@sbi yeah, but kids today have no time to evn rite full wrds m8
 
@bd1251252 You wouldn't have read the local rules in other forums and chats?
 
sbi
@thecoshman The SE guys did have one last week or so. Other than that I dunno. I doubt there's many, if any at all, though. This is a tightly-knit community. And given the circumstances, it's also an old one.
@thecoshman I don't know whose drivel "bah" is, let alone if it's nobody's.
 
Because you not reading the rules is the issue.
 
@bd1251252 :)
 
@Jefffrey No, it was just understood given that I knew some of the people in those forums in real life, in person. I don't know any of you. My mistake
 
10:34 AM
@sbi I think 'tightly-knotted' is a better way of describing. Knitting can be easily un-ravelled. We don't even know how many threads are in this mess :P
 
Good
Can we move on?
 
sbi
@bd1251252 Now, if you only could drop the attitude of being so pissed off because the people here are pissed off that you pissed them off, then you might have a chance to move on.
 
@bd1251252 wait, didn't I buy a pork-chop of you last Wednesday?
 
sbi
That sounds Pratchettesk.
 
¬_¬ "why can't I see those things?"... because you have a filter hiding them I let myself know eventually.
 
sbi
10:36 AM
??
 
@sbi Pissed off? I'm not pissed off...maybe a little intimidated, but not mad. I realize it was my mistake. I guess I'm just normally pretty quiet and I don't know of anyone that might be mad at me (other than my ex lol)
@thecoshman Pork chop?
 
sbi
Just something to change the subject... :)
 
@sbi ... shouldn't that be flagged for porn?
 
@thecoshman lol
 
@thecoshman only if you're a gorilla
 
10:37 AM
monkey porn!
 
Ell
@thecoshman you watch some dodgy porn
 
sbi
@bd1251252 Sausage-in-a-bun!
 
@bd1251252 get hungry
 
those black tanned, hairy tits ...
 
user1646075
@chmod711telkitty racist
 
user1646075
10:38 AM
someone had to say it.
 
@moresun already answered. I don't think pushing your questions like this is necessary/nice. It looks spammy :/ (Be glad I answered before I had the comment) — sehe 33 mins ago
Ahaha. So now he removed the offending comment :/
 
@sbi chops are not sausages o_0
 
sbi
@thecoshman I said it sounds Pratchettesk.
@thecoshman You, Sir, should get locked away.
 
@sbi how? it's a pork chop... that's a normal thing in any regard
@sbi hey, I'm not the one posting titties!
 
sbi
@thecoshman Yes, Dan Cutting-me-own-throat.
 
10:41 AM
@sbi ¬_¬ be glad I have respect for you clearly stated desires and a poor memory.
 
sbi
@thecoshman Considering a baby at its mother's breast porn is bad enough an offense in and of itself. But then a baby and a mother not even of your own species! That I don't know what to call.
 
@sbi sorry, not very good at guessing the age of you apes
 
sbi
@thecoshman You call that respect? I am certainly happy now that you aren't disrespectful towards me. I can't imagine what that would be like.
 
pulling an all-nighter...an actual pork chop or a steak sounds awesome. Food at college isn't as bad as everyone says it is, you know typical raman noodles or whatever everyone talks about. I mean, I don't get steak and eggs lol but I don't eat terrible food
 
@sbi lol, best use of that feature I've seen in a long time
 
10:44 AM
*if that had anything to do with anything. Whatever, mind's fried
 
sbi
@thecoshman You have trouble guessing that a child with a head smaller than the size of its mum's hand is small? Hum.
Would you give me your girlfriend's address, please. I feel like I need to rescue that woman.
 
@sbi fyi, I refer to desire to remain just a silver back.
 
@sbi lol
 
@sbi it's "my house"
 
sbi
@thecoshman I am not gray voluntarily. I just can't help it. :(
@thecoshman Uh oh. Then it might be too late already.
 
10:46 AM
@sbi must be the stress :P
 
I don't get it - women don't mind being seeing half naked, but men get all worked up about it. Are the western world ready to cover their women up like the muslims would do now?
 
sbi
@chmod711telkitty Merkins != Western World.
 
Woah, I've found a torrent for the haskell platform.
 
user1646075
@chmod711telkitty what brought this on?
 
No seeding though :c
 
sbi
10:49 AM
@aclarke From what I learned, nothing is necessary to to bring these on from telkitty. :)
 
@chmod711telkitty I've had a few gf, never really said anything about that. I guess it's just something to take into consideration when you begin to see someone/talk to them, i.e. consider the way they dress, and if it's not for you, then...well...pass the opportunity by. No need to be controlling on either side
 
sbi
@R.MartinhoFernandes I actually ran into this before I found the link here, and meant to ping you about it anyway. Really. Ýou guys are sooo young. Calling C++98 "The Classic Era"? That is so hilarious. That was the era before Baroque, FFS! If anything, the medieval age ended with the beginning of the standardization effort, and C++98 marks the end of the industrial revolution.
 
user1646075
@sbi true, but I can't help being curious occasionally. Of course there's a very boring anthropological answer, but where's the fun in that?
 
it's the picture you posted, ape, now try not to divert the question
 
Can someone please try to download the haskell platform (~200MB-) and tell me if they succeed?
 
10:50 AM
@thecoshman you're accusing the ape of having a poor memory :/
 
user1646075
@chmod711telkitty ohhhhh.
 
@chmod711telkitty my bad, didn't realize you were referring to that
 
@Jefffrey win/lin//mac?
 
@sehe any
mac if you really want to mimic mine
 
user1646075
@chmod711telkitty Read Desmond Morris for an easy introduction.
 
10:51 AM
mine fails before reaching 20MB
 
sbi
@chmod711telkitty I posted a picture of a newly born gorilla. It was the pirate and you, allegedly a woman, who yelled porn because that baby happened to be near its mothers teats. Now saying I brought up breasts is hilarious. At best.
 
@Jefffrey I don't have a problem downloading it
 
must be my end then
3
 
user1646075
@Jefffrey maybe it's doing a lazy download.
 
monkey porn != porn, just like Australian magpie != (Euroasia) magpie
 
sbi
10:53 AM
@Jefffrey Now now. You not being able to download Haskell won't be your end.
 
@aclarke ?
 
user1646075
lazy evaluation?
 
I'm sorry
 
user1646075
A prominent Haskell feature...
 
I should have got it
 
10:53 AM
I just downloaded the whole thing...20s
 
@Jefffrey it's your rear end
 
:c
 
user1646075
sleep now.
 
no butts!
 
user1804599
Debugging multithreaded code is so fun.
 
user1804599
10:54 AM
Especially when Vim decides to segfault in the meantime.
 
Ell
@Jefffrey is there a torrent download?
 
user1646075
@rightføld You have a Heisenbug, and it just tunnelled to another process.
 
6 mins ago, by Jefffrey
No seeding though :c
 
user1804599
I get a stack trace of thread A while the problem lies somewhere in thread B.
 
Ell
@Jefffrey I could dl and make a new torrent?
 
10:56 AM
I would love you for ~1hr
Then I would likely forget it
 
Ell
what platform are you on?
 
Mac
64 bits
The name would be: Haskell Platform 2014.2.0.0 64bit.signed.pkg
 
Ell
kk, gimme 1m to dl it
 
<3
 
user1646075
errm, call me thick, if need be, but what's wrong with the official downloads?
 
10:57 AM
@Jefffrey use wget
 
@aclarke The official downloads actually recommend downloading the platform
 
user1804599
@aclarke You are thick.
 
user1804599
Fatass.
 
it stops, resumes, retries failed downloads
back when I had a 3G modem which dropped connection every now and then, wget was priceless
 
> wget: command not found
oh boi
why don't I have wget
 
user1646075
10:58 AM
@rightføld woof - burned!
 
@Jefffrey brew install wget or apt-get install wget or yum install wget or emerge wget or...
 
Most things support resuming downloads.
 
user1646075
damn! the official downloads are spinning.........................................
 
user1646075
<<== thick
 
@LoïcFaure-Lacroix trying with curl
 
10:59 AM
@R.MartinhoFernandes technically they do, But I rarely could continue a download with firefox or chrome
 

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