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10:00 PM
@Rapptz Try LaTeX
 
What?
 
@Rapptz Works for me. Or for something similar there's always minitab, but that's also annoying at times
 
Why the hell would you use LaTeX for spreadsheets?
I think I'm just going to export this data and use Python/C++ for my stats
I'd use R but that'd require me to learn a new language
 
user1804599
Org mode is the best spreadsheet software.
 
user1804599
@Rapptz Use Clojure and Incanter!
 
10:10 PM
So. Hum.
 
Time to clean up tabs
@Rapptz R's p cool though
 
@Rapptz psst hey for your Lua binding, Sol, how can I explicitly close a file?
 
std::terminate
 
Yay, I succeeded at Hello wording Java.
 
you can't close files in lua
 
10:13 PM
@Cinch std::terminate
 
I already hate the way Java forces you into a specific directory structure and organisation.
 
user1804599
@Jefffrey That's actually one of the best things about Java.
 
I don't like it.
 
@sehe Sweet.
 
I decide what's an unit for a package. Not Java.
 
user1804599
10:16 PM
And Maven Central forcing you to use a reverse FQDN that you own in your package name is the other best thing about Java.
 
user1804599
@Jefffrey Consistency is key.
 
@rightføld Me deciding how to handle a package does not threaten consistency.
Inherently at least.
 
user1804599
I agree that one-class-per-file shit is silly, but package names mirroring directory structure is good.
 
Ell
@Jefffrey I think it is only annoying when you want to quickly test stuff
 
disagree.
 
10:18 PM
Yeah, i can accept the package/directory thingy I guess.
 
directory structure is meaningless
I see no reason for directory structure to have any semantic meaning.
 
user1804599
Is it in the actual Java language spec? I don't know the specifics.
 
Dunno, that's what the professor is telling us to do.
Don't care either to be honest.
I think so though.
I tried to compile HelloWorld.java which contained a package jefffrey; public class HelloWorld { ... } like class and Java complained about wrong naming or something.
So I put HelloWorld.java into jefffrey/ and everything worked fine.
 
user1804599
You can remove the package declaration.
 
user1804599
Then it doesn't have to be in jefffrey/.
 
10:21 PM
I know, but I wanted to try with 2 different classes.
So there's actually also an jefffrey.Hello class that does the printing.
I know it's lame.
> Exception in thread "main" java.lang.NoClassDefFoundError: HelloWorld (wrong name: jefffrey/HelloWorld)
^ this was the actual error for the naming thing
 
user1804599
Preferably it'd be in org/jefffrey/yourprogram/ or some other prefix depending on a domain you host your project/company on.
 
lol shitty languages finding classes at runtime.
 
Friendly reminder Skype is the devil's program.
 
I already knew that
 
user1804599
@Jefffrey that's about the class file, not the source file.
 
user1804599
10:23 PM
You can put the source somewhere else, as long as the class file is in the right directory.
 
I see
So the real problem was about HelloWorld.class not being in jefffrey/HelloWorld.class,?
 
@rightføld I think it's required...
 
user1804599
Yes.
 
user1804599
Hence it was a runtime error, not a compile-time error.
 
Got it
Thanks for clearing that up.
 
user1804599
10:25 PM
@thecoshman I don't. I think Maven requires it.
 
user1804599
Or at least defaults to it.
 
holy fuck there's a serial killer too?!
 
@rightføld everything I've seen does it that... I think it's part of the .jar (et al) format though
 
Yosemite's Preview is so slooooow and laggy.
 
user1804599
10:28 PM
Cool Z shell autocompletes Java class names.
 
Not many implicit conversions I see.
That's nice.
 
user1804599
Only upcasts, widening conversions, boxing conversions, string conversions (when using +) and unboxing conversions AFAIK.
 
user1804599
And maybe some shit with wildcards. Fuck wildcards.
 
10:44 PM
implicate conversion are amazing and terrible in equal measure. I hate that you can't see what is going on, but equally hate how verbose explicate conversion are.
 
@Jefffrey Why are you using Apple anyways?
 
@R.MartinhoFernandes I'm no language expert... but this has me just a little dumb founded...
 
user1804599
Classes don't point to objects. What are you talking about? — rightføld just now
 
user1804599
What a fool.
 
@R.MartinhoFernandes I think you gave that language 4 games guy far too much thought, as in some.
 
10:47 PM
@rightføld Lolwut
 
user1804599
Reminds me of how our Java teacher said that "for now you can think of [classes and objects] as the same thing."
 
user1804599
What a horrible mistake top kek.
 
user1804599
"I like how you'll have to take away my free time later because you have to ask questions because I lied horribly to you."
 
@rightføld asking for opinions, close.
@rightføld what the hell? Is the 'cookie cutter' and 'cookie' example so hard to get? As a first step towards explaining shit, it works well.
 
@rightføld I myself don't even know the difference. Care to explain?
 
user1804599
10:54 PM
No.
 
@Nooble poor troll, very poor.
 
user1804599
Read book.
 
@thecoshman I'm not trolling - notice name
@rightføld But effort
 
user1804599
you no effort, I no effort
 
@Nooble then look up a bit and read.
 
10:55 PM
@thecoshman I am doing so right now.
 
@HamZa ...
 
@Nooble was it?
 
@HamZa No.
From what I read, object is just a fancy name for instance.
 
user1804599
and vice versa
 
10:57 PM
haha
 
Saying that classes and objects are the same is completely wrong then...
 
Object is just a fancy name for storage.
 
Explaining the difference wouldn't have been so hard.
 
@Nooble Neither would reading about it.
 
@Griwes Storage is just a fancy name for space. /s
 
user1804599
10:58 PM
It's pretty hard to explain the difference if you don't know the difference.
 
@Nooble Actually no.
 
@rightføld I'm sure someone could come up with an analogy.
 
@Griwes mongodb!
 
@HamZa Actually C++.
 
@Griwes I see where you're going :)
 
10:59 PM
Something like "Think of a class like a blueprint, and an object as what is made out of it..."
 
@Nooble I did that not too long ago, you still failed to read
 
@HamZa I am not going anywhere, lol.
 
@thecoshman Reading is for those who are literate. I need not engage myself in such activity.
What are english?
 
Troll confirmed, move along?
 
and on that naughty list you go.
 
user1804599
11:01 PM
Literate is a nice song.
 
@Griwes haha I meant that I got the gist behind "storage <=> object"
 
@rightføld link
 
user1804599
Oh wait nvm.
 
¬_¬ I thought as much
 
user1804599
It's Liberate. I should sleep.
 
11:01 PM
@Griwes There is a fine line between sarcasm and trolling, can you distinguish?
 
> visited 691 days, 1 consecutive
lol I broke my consecutive visits streak on gamedev.se
oh well
 
@AlexM. run to the hills veggy boy
 
I forgot how far I've gotten, probably at 480 consecutive days
 
Nvm.
 
user1804599
@AlexM. improvement!
 
11:03 PM
Oh yeah got it
 
user1804599
@Jefffrey lol assuming by-reference arguments.
 
user1804599
Or no wat.
 
user1804599
Ohh that's the example.
 
@Jefffrey you know you can link to shit instead.
 
11:03 PM
@AlexM. It's painful :/
 
user1646075
hah - on the current interest in Serial Commas: "The Times once published an unintentionally humorous description of a Peter Ustinov documentary, noting that "highlights of his global tour include encounters with Nelson Mandela, an 800-year-old demigod and a dildo collector." This would still be ambiguous if a serial comma were added, as Mandela could then be mistaken for a demigod, although he would be precluded from being a dildo collector."
 
It's because Prova p is copied, which copied the p.f reference
 
@Griwes The owl is really cute.
 
This reference thingy is shit though.
 
user1804599
@Jefffrey pt and str are just pointers.
 
user1804599
11:04 PM
And everything in Java is passed by value.
 
Yeah
 
user1804599
So pt and str are pointers passed by value.
 
No actually
 
user1804599
Make the parameters to changeInt, changeStr and changeObj final and see what happens.
 
user1646075
@rightføld which somehow manages to confuse the crap out of people, 'cos they are object references passed by value. Unless they are natives. unless they are boxed.
 
11:06 PM
pt is indeed a pointer of type Prova, but if you pass it to func(Prova x) then x is a copy of what pt points to
Or maybe not
 
user1804599
No.
 
user1804599
x is a copy of pt.
 
user1804599
Not a copy of the pointee.
 
Then why the external string is not changed?
 
user1804599
Because the pointer (s) is reassigned, not the pointee.
 
11:07 PM
Oh ok
Yeah, right
 
@aclarke Just looked at your rep log, what happened on Halloween?
 
user1804599
And even then you can be sure strings aren't modified, because strings are immutable in Java.
 
user1804599
You can play tricks with reflection but you can also die from cancer.
 
Gamedev chat is so empty.
It makes me sad.
 
70
A: Should a getter throw an exception if its object has invalid state?

DeadMGDo not permit your class to be constructed without assigning a name.

 
user1646075
11:08 PM
I helped someone, they serial upvoted me, I idly thought "hmm, wonder if the system will notice", overnight the system noticed and removed 6 out of the 10 upvotes. What's ever odder* is that 4 of the points were allowed to stand.
* = shut up nazis.
 
ridiculous.
 
user1804599
lol mutable objects
4
 
@aclarke You helped him so much that he developed a passion for upvoting you, nice.
 
user1646075
@Nooble indeed
 
user1646075
he could help me by being an online spol chekcer
 
user1804599
11:09 PM
@Jefffrey You can just translate C x to C* x and . to -> (or in some cases ::) mentally.
 
@rightføld In all cases except primitive types, no?
 
user1804599
Where C is a class or interface, not a primitive type.
 
Yeah
 
OOP is hard
 
morning cat
 
11:10 PM
@aclarke So looking at your posts and upvoting them is a bad thing? What if they really where upvote worthy?
@CatPlusPlus Indeed.
 
@rightføld lol
 
user1646075
@Nooble when it's all of a sudden - I dunno, it's a thin line.
 
Thanks. I hope the codebase will be decent :)
 
user image
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It's his motto.
 
@Jefffrey Slowly. How is your need for it going?
 
user1804599
11:12 PM
11 hours ago, by rightføld
R.I.P. Bartek.
 
@BartekBanachewicz Slightly faster today.
 
@Jefffrey oh
 
I almost wanted to give it a try today but I've seen no updates in 5 months on github.
 
yeah I was supposed to do something in haskell but there was always something around
 
user1804599
@Jefffrey Once you go immutable you never go back.
 
11:13 PM
So I coded a Rosalind solution in Haskell instead
@rightføld You don't need to convince me baby.
 
@Jefffrey yeah well... it's very experimental. OTOH it's potentially very fast and powerful
dunno if you need that flexibility and speed or just want ease of use
I mean, it requires tinkering at this point.
 
I dunno what I need because I don't know how I would go about it anyway.
 
I just might code my own extension loader, GLEW is really buggy.
 
about what?
@Nooble use GLload (instead of writing your own, buggy one)
 
I can't decide what architecture to give my games, so I always end up anxious and then simply stop coding.
 
11:15 PM
@rightføld OTOH they want to pay me more than I requested /cc @Ell
 
@BartekBanachewicz Good point - My programming skill could be better.
 
@Jefffrey fork potato empires :P
 
@Jefffrey Simplest possible that does what you want
 
ah wait, you wanted realtime UI
 
Ell
Evening folks
 
11:15 PM
well then Cat's spot on
 
Ell
@Jefffrey me too :P
@BartekBanachewicz This is even better!
 
user1804599
@BartekBanachewicz tell them you don't need that much money.
 
Ell
I'm jelly
 
user1804599
They'll like you more.
 
@CatPlusPlus Yeah, that would work I guess.
 
user1804599
11:16 PM
@Ell That's because I stole your bones.
 
user1646075
@rightføld you boned him?
 
But then "what if I need to change that later" thoughts kick in and in less than an hour I have an house of abstraction cards barely standing up.
 
Ell
@rightføld Hmm no I don't think so, you usually give me bones. If you catch my drift ;)
 
@rightføld but but
@Jefffrey fuck that then
just code games
 
user1804599
dat audi
 
11:18 PM
Ugh why aren't there any alternatives to Lazarus
 
do extreme 1.5h jams
 
user1804599
@CatPlusPlus The name is a hint.
 
I found them very helpful
@rightføld do want
 
@rightføld It's been brought back from the dead?
 
This week I don't have to attend uni lessons, so I'll give it a try.
 
user1804599
11:19 PM
In Dutch lazarus means drunk.
 
user1804599
I don't know about English.
 
Oh the double meanings...
 
@Jefffrey i have my 1.5h love2d games somewhere and not on GH for some reason
remind me tomorrow and I can share if you want
 
Absolutely I want.
:)
 
user1646075
 
11:19 PM
The more "inspiration" I can get, the better.
 
yeah I did some racing prototype, lunar lander and space shooter
 
What branch should I use?
 
of Glisha?
 
develop or develop-swap?
yeah
 
11:20 PM
the latter, I suppose. Honestly though, both are suck ATM.
 
Higher...
 
Oh
 
fuck I told you to give me heads up :P
 
I want an SUV
jk, I can't drive
 
Or maybe lower...
 
11:21 PM
I sorta put that out for later
 
and sorta kinda didn't do anything
 
user1646075
@AlexM. ewwww. get something you can enjoy driving
 
@BartekBanachewicz Sorry, it just so happens I have a free week. :P
 
@aclarke I legally can't drive.
 
11:22 PM
Oh, well. Maybe I'll play around with OpenGL for now.
 
@Jefffrey npnp. I'm going to work partly remotely for the few first months anyway :P
 
user1646075
@Nooble plan ahead.
 
Ell
With games for me I usually hit a wall when it comes to writing the collision detection because I end up wanting multi methods :L
 
@Jefffrey "Play around"
 
You recommended GLFW-b, right?
 
11:22 PM
The last time I "played around" with OpenGL, I pulled an all nighter coding a Model Loader.
 
@Jefffrey I highly disrecommend going much outside what's already in Glisha, mostly because Ekmett is contributing a lot to Haskell OpenGL
 
I use GLFW, it's cool.
 
@Ell Then use a language that has multimethods
 
@Nooble we're talking about Haskell binding though
@Jefffrey I disrecommend it the least, yes
:)
 
@aclarke But cars, so expensive. And in New York City, where am I supposed to find parking?
 
11:23 PM
@BartekBanachewicz Who's Ekmett?
 
Ell
@CatPlusPlus c++ does now thanks to my awesome (terrible) implementation
 
@BartekBanachewicz Oh. OpenGL in Haskell? Sounds like a hell of a task.
 
What the fuck is actually going on?
 
Ell
I'm just playing with opengl now anywhoot
 
Here - just wat. Nonsensical answer gets two upvotes for not explaining anything correctly`
 
user1646075
11:24 PM
@Nooble aim for at least 160kW/T. OUT of the city. Can't live in smog all your life.
 
You go with C++ and then wonder why you never finish anything
 
@aclarke SUVs look cool
since I can't drive
 
Ell
@CatPlusPlus meh, the problem is me not c++ :P
 
@Columbo Good morning Lieutenant.
 
@Jefffrey Edward Kmett, author of Lens
 
11:24 PM
my interest is looking cool
 
@Jefffrey Good evening sir.
 
@aclarke kW/T?
 
user1646075
@AlexM. annoying bastards. Harder to see around prior to jumping them.
 
user1646075
kilowatt per tonne
 
@BartekBanachewicz Oh.
Forgot the name already.
 
11:25 PM
also for some reason this shitty D plugin for Eclipse is able to start intellisense only if I don't auto my variables
 
@Nooble meh. not really, at least in small scale.
 
can't it fucking infer shit
 
user1646075
close enough to 100HP / ton
 
@Jefffrey he's fiddling with it and opening and closing issues at absurd speed. Hence, I'd wait until it stabilizes, then update :P
 
user1646075
rear drive, no pussy traction control...
 
Ell
11:26 PM
I'm pretty sure the jumping from this youtube.com/watch?v=wlpDY6ye824 is due to lookAt and going across the up vector right?
 
user1646075
and try not to kill yourself. Pro Tip.
 
@aclarke lol
as if that was much
Try One:1
 
user1646075
it'll do
 
user1646075
for a 19 year old?
 
@aclarke Speaking of smog, since I live about 60 stories above ground level, when it's humid, all I see is smoke. Looking from the balcony, everything is white. Solid white, not smokey.
 
11:27 PM
@aclarke vOv
 
user1646075
@Nooble ewww.
 
@Ell up is supposed to be (0,1,0) always
or (0,0,1)
 
user1646075
damn my network
 
Ell
@BartekBanachewicz yeah, that is the case in this video
 
@aclarke I just pretend I'm syncing like in Assassins Creed.
 
Ell
11:28 PM
But I think the camera is flipping orientation due to crossing over it
 
@Ell So your name is Elliot! Mystery solved.
 
user1646075
@Nooble haha - ever tempted to take a leap of faith?
 
Ell
after all it can't remember which direction it's approached the top from
 
@Ell wtf are those 'scanlines' you can see in the video
@Ell yeah gimbal lock
 
Ell
@BartekBanachewicz artifact of recordmydesktop
 
11:29 PM
shitty linux solutions
 
@aclarke This is why my dad is scared to let me out on the balcony.
 
hint don't use linux if you're doing graphics
anyway
 
Ell
@BartekBanachewicz linux is fine :P I have opengl 4.4 support :L
that's good enough isn't it?
 
yeah, this problem is p much unsolvable as you've noticed
@Ell what brand of GPU do you have?
 
user1646075
@Nooble lolz. I'm getting worried about Jr learning to drive in 6 years. Notwithstanding daddy's driving for the last 10, GTA!
 
Ell
11:30 PM
@BartekBanachewicz nvidia
geforce gtx 560 ti
 
@Ell Did you set up your matrices right? The way the ears converge back is really wonky.
 
oh k then. They actually make fairly decent linux drivers
still, X is a fucking joke. But that's offtopic.
 
@aclarke You better watch out, next thing you know, he'll be pulling of heists in Las Vegas.
He will be the getaway car.
 
Ell
@BartekBanachewicz I agree
but wayland will replace it
 
11:31 PM
@CatPlusPlus you got new fav acronym eh
 
Ell
@Nooble I think that's just the fov I've chosen maybe?
 
@CatPlusPlus MLP*
@Ell Are you using glu?
 
Oct 26 at 18:52, by Alex M.
my little yellow pony
 
BTW I found a thing but lost the haskell version :( /cc @Ell
 
@BartekBanachewicz They are bindings so I need to download also GLFW, right?
 
11:33 PM
@Ell Oh this makes sense, I thought you messed up your nearZ and farZ
 
@Jefffrey cabal should do that for you anyway.
 
Nice
 
@aclarke What's the age to drive in australia?
 
@Jefffrey remember to sandbox
 
I think I can get a permit in 2 years, when I am 16.
 
11:33 PM
yup
 
user1646075
@Nooble can start learning at 16, "P plates" at 17 for 3 years.
 
Ell
@BartekBanachewicz damn. I'll have to make my own camera orientation code I guess
@BartekBanachewicz oh cool
 
@Ell meh. IMHO not worth it. Depends on what you need surely
 
Ell
@Nooble No
 
user1646075
First year, P plates are red, which means "SERIOUS DANGER" and the next 2 are green meaning "I'm so cool I've been driving for over one year so I'm an expert"
 
11:34 PM
k have fun folks
 
Ell
@BartekBanachewicz I just want this demo to work really :P
 
@Ell Are you using any helper library?
 
user1646075
ciao
 
I'm really tired. see you tomorrow.
 
Ell
@Nooble oglplus
@BartekBanachewicz Night, congrats again with the job
 
11:34 PM
@Jefff ping me about stuff tomorrow
@Ell aw thanks :)
 
@BartekBanachewicz Bartek the Game Dev
Soon you will be a millionaire.
 
@BartekBanachewicz ok, night
 
user1646075
@Nooble or he'll have written his first 23,000 line function
 
We want to see him work at Ubisoft!
And play in with all that 792p 24FPS nonsense.
You'll tell us all about the brainwashing techniques they use, right?
@ZeeZeeZee I'm checking on you, bud.
Still no avatar I see.
 
@Nooble lol
 
11:42 PM
WOOOOOOOOOOOOH I have off tomorrow! Election day, didn't know this until now.
This is great.
Better than waking up to a snow day.
Some guy made this with his PC's heatsinks.
Someone, quick, bring up a topic!
No one here?
:C
 
@Nooble A hazelnut in every bite?
 
@MartinJames I like hazelnuts. Especially in nutella form.
 
Ell
@MartinJames zing!
 
@Nooble OK-ish. I'd rather have an election day, if it means no work.
 
11:54 PM
@MartinJames I get to actually sleep tonight.
 
Our polling station is in the village hall, next to the club. We always have a high turnout:)
Is this a dup or not?
http://stackoverflow.com/questions/26724885/unresolved-external-symbol-visual-studio-atidaq-c-files-not-duplicate
 
It's a dup.
Lol he didn't compile them
 

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