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user1646075
09:00
and why are all out-of-immediate-scope variables read-only? Oh right, 'simpler' to avoid having to, like, declare variables. So old-fashioned.
user1646075
but apart from that...
@aclarke What do you mean?
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@Jefffrey I've just been fiddling with it. If you have a var in a module, a function can access it. but if the function tries to assign to the name, it becomes a local to the function on the spot.
user1646075
but iirc, if you nominate the name in a global statement, it goes to the enclosing namespace.
I see
user1646075
09:03
so scopes in the middle of global or most-local are second-class
why
stahp
is it politically correct to say that you are not a number?
(because you're odd!)
even then...
@rightføld not really. it's more about "TNMTOWTDI"
09:07
What should the primary domain name be for personal pages?
user1646075
@Jefffrey Are you indian? because you went off on a tanned-gent there
Like .com is for companies.
you should have .jefffrey
user1646075
@Jefffrey .xxx
user1646075
09:09
for most people
.beer lol
tony.lion
unfortunately, TLD are really expensive
@Jefffrey .me
09:10
thanks
.foo is also tempting
.me TLD is free for a year for students lol
@Rapptz It's actually national
> Montenegro
user1646075
Does the Cook islands use .com etc or .co like the UK?
user1646075
register there and you could use .co.ck
user1804599
lol
09:14
jefffrey.name for names
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@Jefffrey .moe
user1804599
rightfold.sexy best domain
jeff.fr
fuck
someone stole it already
@rightføld It reads perfectly fine.
user1804599
Jeff Frey.
09:17
@Xeo That’s a very conservative operator=. I’m not sure if that needs to be tweaked one way or the other, but I felt it was worth pointing out.
Consider: x = 10 if y == 100 else 20
user1646075
@Rapptz fine once you get used to it, but counter-intuitive when you're used to normal languages. Why was ?: rejected anyway?
@Rapptz Shouldn't it be x = 10 if y == 100 else x = 20?
user1804599
I read that as "assign 10 to x if y = 100, else yield 20".
user1804599
like
user1804599
09:18
if y == 100:
    x = 10
else:
    20
user1646075
i seem to recall the words "pleasing symmetry" about it. P'shaw.
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x = (10 if y == 100 else 20)
user1804599
But assignment is a statement (that's good), not an expression.
user1804599
But it still looks very weird.
> FLASSERTF
09:19
@aclarke I used to think it was kind of silly since I was used to ?: but I like it now.
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@sehe Yes?
nice name
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"FL" is the namespacing part.
user1646075
i like how ?: can be nested like a chain of if-elif-... it works very nicely when used tastefully.
user1804599
@aclarke ?: is "too cryptic" and then is ERMAHGERD NEW KEYWORD
09:21
@aclarke It's too much of a mess when you nest it.
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@rightføld oh yeah. I was handling the python yesterday as it happens, and wondered why cond1 && cond2 was whinging...
You have to commit yourself to format it properly.
user1646075
@Rapptz yeah, don't we all like hammering the space bar?
also, type congruence; it's just a pain mostly
@aclarke the = key
user1646075
nup, not seeing it.... pass <<== python joke
user1646075
09:22
waaa?
@Xeo missing 'T'
@aclarke I abused that chaining in a Java assignment. It seemed like a crime, but I loved how it made my code look like it had a data table.
I've only nested ?: in constexpr anyway.
@Rapptz nested ?:... I'm going to throw up.
@Xeo More weak comments: I would have provided value_or-equivalents (LeftOr/RightOr?) rather than the additional overloads of OnLeft/OnRight. No effect on expressivity obviously (LeftOr(def) == OnLeft(id, def) and OnLeft(f).LeftOr(def) == OnLeft(f, def)), and if you expect a lot of OnLeft(f, def) calls I can see how you’d prefer that.
user1804599
Oh cool, mutable variables in Clojure can be watched.
user1804599
GUI programming heaven.
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@sehe oh yeah, him. Good value.
I’ve really run out of useful things to say :) @Xeo I think we’ve milked that topic dry.
It has indeed been milked.
@rightføld Perl has similar 'phrasing', it's more 'English' like apparently. Both make sense to me, "If I am hunger, I'll eat, else I'll get a drink", "I'll eat, if I'm hungry, else I'll get a drink".
It was either this, or a giant chunk of if/else if statements.
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@LucDanton OnLeft is not a bind on left, it's a map. So it doesn't necessarily return another Either.
MakeEither is really suspect though, i.e. constructing two values to discard one on the spot. I don’t have a good alternative.
@MohammadAliBaydoun because months are never zero indexed :P
user1646075
09:26
    x = y == 1 ? FOO
      : y == 2 ? BAR
      : y == 3 ? BAZ
      : SNAFU;
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@LucDanton tbh I'm not actually using that one anywhere
@thecoshman This was a stupid Java assignment ;_;
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problem with doing it properly (piecewise construction) is ... variadic templates :<
@MohammadAliBaydoun are, so months are 2 indexed :P
@Xeo Other overload.
(I know none of them returns Either.)
user1646075
09:27
@MohammadAliBaydoun dayyum!
@aclarke You don't want to see what I did in the other function!
@Xeo I don’t follow. Still talking about MakeEither?
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@LucDanton ye
about the "constructing two values, discarding one" part
Oh, passing constructed-no-matter-what pack of initializers.
user1646075
@MohammadAliBaydoun you've got some odd nesting there. I'd have to think to nut that out. Not sure it could become habitual.
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09:29
The problem is that you can't just have Either<L, ?> MakeLeft(L&& val) :<
Still not too fond of that. There’s still a pit of failure in that it looks attractive to compute and construct initializers.
@aclarke It is hard to make out, but at least it's short and concise relative to the alternative solution
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So a dummy came in, didn't read the rules, flagged for a mod because he was offended by the discussions in a room he voluntarily entered, and you guys failed to kick him? Pussies.
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welp, anyways. I'll add to it when I need to
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Also: Good Morning.
user1646075
09:30
actually, only took a bit of thinking. I'll wear that.
user1646075
@sbi how do we kick someone, as lowly other-users?
Identifiable information leading to the prosecution of individuals sending me death threats will now be $11,000.
lol
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@PolymorphicPotato There's nothing in front of a-p-e, of course. What did you think?
You can't get identifiable informations without 1) being the police 2) do illegal stuff that won't be admitted in court, AFAIK
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@aclarke I didn't speak to you lowly users. I spoke to the wanna-be owners, several of which were present.
user1646075
09:32
@sbi True. What we need is @thecoshman and @sehe back on the board of directors.
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@Jefffrey Yeah? How about: Dear police, have you checked whether the XYZ guy is handle on 4chan?
lol
who is this 4chan guy though?
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@aclarke Why? Because the @Cat and @Jerry cannot kick a user??
user1646075
@sbi /shrug - i dunno, haven't read the rules.
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> So a dummy came in, didn't read the rules, [...] and you guys failed to kick him?
user1646075
09:34
who actually gave righfold the 5 flags or whatever is required? can they be tracked down and asked to be nice?
user1646075
must be those hangers-on with casper-the-ghost avatars
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@aclarke ...flagged for a mod...
Have you tried reading what you reply to?
@sbi is this regarding that something that happened last night?
user1646075
@sbi only briefly ;-)
@thecoshman yesterday
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09:35
@aclarke Ten years ago, I suppose?
night, afternoon or morning depends on where you are
user1646075
@sbi Que?
user1646075
I can see you're a bit .. irritable at the moment, I'll let you vent. /zip
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@thecoshman Says "14 hours ago" for me on the starboard.
I dunno how long this would be ago in your TZ, though.
(SCNR)
15 hours ago, by Jefffrey
> This user has been temporarily suspended by a moderator and cannot chat for 23 hours 59 minutes.
go from there
user1646075
09:37
it's a pity the original offending post isn't still visible. I searched and searched
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@aclarke You think the grumpy old ape is "a bit irritable"? "At the moment"?
it's visible to owners
user1646075
@sbi maybe a tinge
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@Jefffrey Really? I know messages deleted by their owners are, but is that also true for stuff deleted by flags and mods?
Pretty sure, yes.
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09:39
Deleted messages aren't shown in the transcript though
They are shown in the message history or something
right?
user1646075
I couldn't find it.
user1646075
too lowly.
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09:40
You have to manually find the post number (through a reply or something)
@sbi ok wise arse, wasn't sure if that was what you were referring to.
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@thecoshman I thought so. That's why I pointed you at it. Why call me names for that?
@Xeo 19746235 is the message ID for rightfold post
maybe
@sbi Sorry, wise ape :P
so, can we have a pic for future reference?
please :)
09:43
Anyone ever got invited to work for Mind dojo on Stack careers?
unless bd guy suddenly storms in, and then fun is now allowed anymore
Any way, I can't see what @rightføld posted, but it probably was grounds for suspension knowing him, especially to someone not used to his 'ways'. but 'ways' are not an excuse. @gordon whilst heavy handed (maybe) was right to ban IMO.
user1646075
@Jefffrey But hey, we could all drink carrot juice with him.
it's hard to come by though
@aclarke I'll take it.
sbi
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09:45
@thecoshman Are you trying to get your names back into Italian by petting the mods?
@thecoshman Not sure, I was there and didn't see an actual reason other that it was against ToS
@milleniumbug just mudlisde.stackexhcange.com, just questions about how awesome the drink is.
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@LoïcFaure-Lacroix Allegedly.
@sbi ... maybe...
@sbi lol
09:45
@sbi probably.
@LoïcFaure-Lacroix what part of ToS specifically?
@sbi I can't help it if that also lines up with my views on the actions vOv
man, that v did not want to be lower case
v0v
if you know what I mean
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@thecoshman Well, if you can't help that, then I herewith officially object to you ever becoming a mod again. (And I haven't even seen that post by rightfold.)
Please someone pin that.
@sbi what? have you never seen the questionable things @rightføld posts? And no, pandering to gordon is not to get me italics again (god I miss them).
@sbi ... is Italian trying to be funny?
09:48
@thecoshman then why did you ping him?
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@thecoshman Having read the message from rightfold, I have to admit, I don't see what was flag-worthy about that. Okay, it was way off-topic, but wouldn't be the first time someone posted something "curious" in here. It was just some text with the words "fucked" and "penis" in there.
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@thecoshman Of course I have. And I find some of it disgusting. What's that got to do with you being for flagging (rather than objecting by saying what you object to and why) and for moderators storming in here and suspending regulars because they offended the religious feelings of some mullah?
I'm sure someone is waiting for 2 minutes to pass so that they can flag my message
@Jefffrey I don't like talking about people without them being able to see it.
@Xeo yeah, well it's hard for anyone who didn't see to say if it was justified or not response, I'm just saying that based on what @rightføld has posted before, I can well believe it was unreasonable. Equally though, mods do tend to come in with a very lower bar.
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@thecoshman Don't you?
09:52
I knew it
@sbi that's your fault for having a wrong name :P
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@thecoshman And my name is "cat like rant to a robot or ape"? I didn't know that.
@sbi well, flagging is tolerable when it's genuinely bad shit. But the more I read back of the transcript, the more it seems like it was yet another pleb wanders in a flags something seemingly for the fun of it.
I read rightfolds message at the time, and the mods actions were too heavy handed
I agree
09:55
rightfold is harmless really.
What is the minimum age requirement on SO?
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@thecoshman Sorry, but backpedaling now won't make me retract my opinion about you.
@Jefffrey 13.
@sbi yeah, well I'm citing you two as examples, not talking about your actions. Also, English (men) are full of examples that break the rules :P
13 kids could totally read that message
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The problem isn't age, though, the problem is the hypocritical Merkin prudishness.
09:56
especially kids these days
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@Jefffrey No, as I said, it's not the kids this is about. It's Merkin mullahs.
@Tony, can you please pin this. Thank you.
@sbi vOv so I can't revise my opinion as details become clearer to me? A thousands apologies for speaking before conducting a full review of all actions of involved.
@sbi ...
why
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@thecoshman Of course you can! Why do you think I'm not a mod anymore?
@sbi fear not, the masses have spoken. If you drunkenly remove yourself, you are never allowed back.
09:58
because your opinion on whether cosh should be mod again is pin worthy?
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@thecoshman Surprising myself with it, I actually support the masses in that.
@sbi tl;dr don't like being responsible in a place you come to relax. :P
:19754291 Why don't you get over it and stop whining
go away please
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Well, if that's the way you would use your powers, then I herewith officially object to you ever becoming a mod again.
09:58
@sbi I site the second life lesson from Spider Man, "everybody gets one"
Tony can you please pin that too?
user1646075
@bd1251252 oh, you're back? Please tell us how to live our lives.
Hey I'm not your pin slave
@tony oh you little bitch :P
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09:59
He's just mine! :)

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