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4:00 PM
un fesso disoglosse
(c'est intéressant dis doncques, je ne connaissais point ce canal)
 
Lounge<SurrenderedDuringWWII>
 
@AnastasiyaAsadullayeva jsuis super content qu’on m’a montré ça ouais
 
c'est quoi cette apostrophe déviante sérieux
 
Par contre il fait peur quand il commence ses vidéos maintenant ;_;
 
Ben il a un peu une organisation capilaire façon imam
 
user1804599
4:02 PM
pour qua
 
If I refresh the Lounge, Chrome is going to offer me to translate this page to English.
 
@sehe you don't like "ça" ?
 
Il a un accent que j'arrive pas à cerner
 
pas fait gaffe (jsuis nul pour ça)
 
Why is everybody speaking French? ...
 
4:09 PM
@Morwenn Because that everybody guy sucks
 
People are bored.
 
Oh, whatever, I'm leaving.
 
Off to bread, night~
 
night
 
nite
 
4:13 PM
Crissesti, y'en a du Français ici.
 
baguette au fromage
 
lol sarah palin
 
@coincoin Good idea, I’m hungry.
 
4:15 PM
That woman oozes stupid. But I'd still smash. She got old, tho.
 
Gee, get yourself some standards
 
I tried, nobody implemented the standard.
Oh, wait, I mixed her up with her porn double. Smash rescinded.
 
jeez those tits
 
4:21 PM
s/tits/soccer balls
I've just explored some of the translated lyrics of the Witcher 3 soundtrack.
They are not... What I expected. At all.
 
lol translated Wiedźmin
 
@ElimGarak the soundtrack of W3 is pretty good
Actually, all of W3 is pretty good
 
@Borgleader It is, but the words are really ahahah.
 
user1804599
Is there some de facto standard thing to turn WinAPI errors into C++ exceptions?
 
@elyse The system_error codes and stuff in exception, I believe.
 
4:28 PM
Also, its refreshing to see a game where the monsters are actually ugly
like... i got grossed out
 
You couple it with GetLastError(), and system_error should take an int
 
@ThePhD Implementations are encouraged to handle OS-native system errors
 
@Borgleader The trolls were pretty fun :D
 
user1804599
std::system_category assumes POSIX error codes.
 
@ElimGarak Havent reached the trolls yet I think, I'm not that far in. But the botchling was gross
 
4:29 PM
@Borgleader Yeah, I literally had trouble playing through that part.
The Witcher universe is pretty terrifying all around. Seems a hopeless place.
 
@набиячлевэлиь Shrug. Sometimes.
 
user1804599
oh wait
 
But then again, like many fantasy worlds, it is based on making old superstitions fact.
 
user1804599
ugh this API is so horrible and confusing
 
@ElimGarak Me too.
 
4:32 PM
(I actually gave up on the game that time for 3-4 days.) I like Mass Effecty stuff, a Universe I actually feel inclined to protect. Something hopeful.
Too often I want to let the Witcher universe burn, which is bad when you're supposed to save it.
 
user1804599
nope
 
Elyse, you give up on stuff fairly quickly :P
 
how is prime numbar formed?
 
How is nard virgin formed?
Man, I don't even like the Final Bosman anymore...
 
@MarcoA. The void was formless and empty. And Gauss said: "let there be primes", and billions upon billions of stars began to light the firmament.
 
4:41 PM
@JerryCoffin KTHXBYE
 
@elyse I finally got around to writing the necessary 3 lines of code ;)
 
@fredoverflow looking good fred
 
user1804599
@fredoverflow nice!
 
Whoa there's a mobile version
 
@fredoverflow How did you get this beautiful output ?
 
4:44 PM
And it only took me 1 week to implement it :D
  val ay = 48 * address + 32
  g2d.drawLine(80, ay, 88, ay - 8)
  g2d.drawLine(80, ay, 88, ay + 8)
@coincoin I presume you mean the anti-aliasing?
g2d.setRenderingHint(RenderingHints.KEY_ANTIALIASING, RenderingHints.VALUE_ANTIALIAS_ON)
 
the thing on the left ~~
 
@fredoverflow s/ay/ayy
 
oh darn and I thought you did a program which whould generate your inner memory :)
 
4:48 PM
@coincoin Na, it's all simulated :)
@набиячлевэлиь Is that Pirate talk?
 
^^ yes I guessed I m used to tikz
it's just I cannot access to your pastebin
 
@fredoverflow no
 
I can't remember what the a in ay stands for anymore, and I only wrote that code 10 minutes ago O_o
 
Google "ayy lmao"
 
MODUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUULES!
 
4:49 PM
@fredoverflow address
@ElimGarak keep your voice down
 
@ElimGarak Do we have them now?
 
@fredoverflow With meth you do!
 
Baby blue meth.
 
this pc is unbelievably slow
 
@MarcoA. Buy a new one!
 
4:51 PM
@ElimGarak Prince takes a job at Apple as a drug dealer, selling "little red core meth".
 
@набиячлевэлиь Oh yeah, that makes sense!
 
@ElimGarak give me euro plz
 
Speaking of wasting moneys, I need a new SSD. Any Google Ultron fast ones around?
 
SSD is an investment, not a waste of money.
 
4:53 PM
@MarcoA. Is a euro plz different from an American plz? I have several of the latter to which you're welcome, but I'm not sure how helpful they'd be.
 
@MarcoA. Specs, OS?
 
user1804599
template<typename T>
struct is_fd<
        T,
        std::enable_if<
                std::is_same<
                        typename T::native_handle_type,
                        decltype(std::declval<T const>().native_handle())
                >::value
        >::type
> : std::true_type { };
 
user1804599
This doesn't work and I have no idea why.
 
@набиячлевэлиь OMG, it has its own subreddit!
 
user1804599
> expected a type, got 'std::enable_if<std::is_same<typename T::native_handle_type, decltype (declval<const T>().native_handle())>::value>::type'
 
4:55 PM
@fredoverflow what.
 
user1804599
even though T meets those criterea
 
@набиячлевэлиь reddit.com/r/ayylmao
 
user1804599
oh
 
user1804599
I need typename
 
user1804599
ugh thanks GCC for being helpful
 
4:56 PM
y u no use TRAIT_t?
 
So, Mujo from Bosnia went to Africa to hunt, and when he came home, his friend Huso asked him about the animals he hunted. To which Mujo replied: "Some lions, wild cats and 10 noplises." Huso was stumped by the noplis and asked what it was... Mujo replied: "It's that black thing that yells "noplis, noplis".
 
Hello, from almost-"Masterpieces of Western Music" class.
 
@набиячлевэлиь it's an i7 2.80 GHz 930
in the crappy range right now
it was good years ago
 
Man, that's old :D
 
@elyse y u no std::enable_if_t
 
user1804599
4:59 PM
oh right, that's in the standard now
 
since C++14
 
user1804599
Fixed.
 
fixed
 
user1804599
fixed is a C# keyword.
 
user1804599
I should really install GNU/Linux on this machine so that I can use clang.
 
5:01 PM
Maybe the C# team could introduce the word fixed to the VC++ team.
 
@ElimGarak They'd likely break it.
 
user1804599
The eternal question: template parameter or constructor parameter?
 
user1804599
Context: buffer size for buffered I/O.
 
constructor
also hi
 
@milleniumbug Because it results in far worse error messages.
I.e. the notes that are meant to list the considered overloads instead point to enable_if_t's definition.
 
5:09 PM
setting buffer size seems like something you might want to do at run time
 
user1804599
Right. Doing it at runtime is more flexible.
 
@Griwes that's terrible
 
user1804599
hmm
 
is it a QoI issue?
 
But logical - that's where type is invoked.
Maybe. Maybe not. For me it's a reason not to use enable_if_t.
 
5:12 PM
@elyse I don't see where you gain much (if anything) from making it a template parameter, so it might as well be a ctor parameter.
 
@ElimGarak Exactly! Want to play The Witcher? Well, better learn Polish!
hides
 
@Griwes Didn't know that (I was using "usual" enable_if in my library since I intend to support C++11)
 
I tried to "move" at some point... and almost immediately after that I got burned by it.
Never again.
That said, I need to write my own little "lazy" enable-if framework.
It's been on my TODO list for a while now.
 
> In a template, only non-dependent void type can be used (a function taking a single parameter of type T does not become a no-parameter function if instantiated with T = void) (since C++11)
 
/cc @ElimGarak dat compression ratio :)
 
5:17 PM
@Borgleader The diff is pretty difficult to see. Although, would be better in a heatmap. :D
 
Well thats the point really, theres barely any difference between the two, webp managed to keep pretty much all of the information and yet cut down the size of the file drastically
 
It takes some hints from the approaches we've been using in framebuffer compression.
 
user1804599
I suppose this should work lol gist.github.com/rightfold/f076a009ec97e46e93b9
 
Ooh, GPU Pro 6 is out... And there is nothing new for me there. I like how the Kindle version is more expensive than the physical copy.
 
5:23 PM
uhm has anyone ever tried ninja as a build system?
I mean for a personal project
 
I make it a point in life to never utilize anything or take anyone seriously with ninja in their naming convention.
 
@MarcoA. @R.MartinhoFernandes uses it for ogonek and possibly other stuff
 
To that end, I own a series of .ninja domains, such as rendering.ninja (goes through to MSDN), as a prevention method.
 
/cc @R.MartinhoFernandes - RFC about ninja please, I have a few questions
 
I used ninja to generate makefiles once, but I don't remember anything about it
 
5:28 PM
@melak47 Surely a memorable experience :P
 
In computer networking, HTTP 451 Unavailable For Legal Reasons is a proposed and not yet universally adopted error status code of the HTTP protocol to be displayed when the user requests an illegal resource, such as a web page censored by a government, with the number 451 being a reference to the 1953 dystopian novel Fahrenheit 451, where books are outlawed. 451 could be described as a more descriptive variant of 403 forbidden. Examples of situations where an HTTP 451 error code could be displayed include web pages deemed a danger to national security, or web pages deemed to violate copyright,...
 
Fuck that. And the government.
 
@EtiennedeMartel can't you just use the code for "permanently moved" and point to whatever.gov for that? :p
 
The interesting bit is the "451" part.
 
the irony
 
5:31 PM
Fahrenheit, baby.
 
@MarcoA. There’s several of us.
 
@milleniumbug It's not ironic. It's an hommage.
 
yeah, I realised that once I read the page too
that makes it slightly less interesting :|
 
@elyse Perhaps--but the logic in your write doesn't look quite right to me (but perhaps I'm just guessing incorrectly at what you want it to do). There are also a few bits and pieces that could be cleaned up a little bit. For one obvious example, instead of std::copy(begin, begin + to_buffer, std::back_inserter(buffer));, I'd prefer: std::copy_n(begin, to_buffer, std::back_inserter(buffer));
 
@Prismatic Dang, and I thought I was the first to discover the video :)
 
user1804599
5:43 PM
I want to do something with LLVM.
 
@AnastasiyaAsadullayeva In Soviet Russia, cheese cuts you!
 
user1804599
shall I implement Eiffel
 
recycle objects, do it for the environment
@elyse check it out, compile it and then delete the whole thing
I'd call it a day
by the way: if anyone feels like going to the Rome C++ meetup, Call for sessions is now on schedule
 
5:54 PM
@TonyTheLion that guy rocks
 
@MarcoA. and rolls
 
they hatin'
 
user1804599
6:11 PM
I know.
 
Don't you hate it when a sentence doesn't end the way you octopus.
2
 
Hate it with a passion
 
Is % an alright character for macro expansion?
 
Why wouldn't it be?
 
I dunno, maybe it has some superspecial hidden meaning in sh
 
6:14 PM
Is this a new low for incoherent answer?
 
I know nothing about sh
 
-2
A: Is using a pointer to an array element any slower than accessing the element by index?

ChristopheI Think that the pointer approache is always less faster than the array approch because a internal const pointeur is never faster as the array who treat the same array .

2
 
> const pointeur
how is pointeur formad?
 
certainly not in his brain
 
6:15 PM
@TonyTheLion similiarily to how is grillfirand formed !!
by cimpoling funcitons .!
 
user1804599
I'm gonna implement lambda calculus.
 
See you when you've abandoned the project.
 
user1804599
With LLVM.
 
Rules fell off the starboard, can some owner pin a new one?
 
you don't simply start an LLVM project.. you start a whatever project and later add LLVM for no reason at all because it's cool
e.g. Paint + LLVM
 
6:18 PM
Alrighty, back to El Capitan.
 
12
A: Relying on ADL for std::begin() and std::end()?

R. Martinho FernandesIf you're going to use ADL to be able to change the container type without changing the loops, then add using std::begin; using std::end;. That makes sure it finds the std functions for containers from other namespaces that have begin and end members, but no free functions in their namespace. na...

 
I started an LLVM project
 
I don't understand this
Why would there be a container that has std::begin defined other than std containers?
 
I had too much LLVM, I'm trying to detox
 
user1804599
6:19 PM
@ʎǝɹɟɟɟǝſ e.g. arrays
 
get outta here
 
@elyse Oh I see
 
100
Q: How do I check if a number is positive or negative in c#?

user9969This must be a common question; however, I cannot seem to find a neat way of doing it. How do I check if a number is positive or negative? Thanks. Edit: APOLOGIES FOR MY QUESTION. I was very very tired + I had a "liquid lunch" if you see what I mean. Oh well I will put it down as one of those...

 
@TonyTheLion Hehe.
 
6:19 PM
@Nooble :)
 
@elyse I can't think of anything else though.
 
Friiiiiiiiiiday!!!!
NIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIICK!!!
 
while(true)
  cout << "FUN";
 
NICK
 
user1804599
6:21 PM
@Puppy in LLVM can you safely cast { i8, i8 }* to { i8 }* and dereference the result of the cast?
 
for(;;)
  cout << "git gud\n";
 
@MarcoA. FUNFUNFUNFUNFUNFUNFUNFUNFUNFUNFUN
 
yep
 
user1804599
yay :D
 
LLVM doesn't have strict aliasing or anything like that.
 
user1804599
6:23 PM
ok let's see how to use LLVM on Windows.
 
user1804599
> Pre-Built Binaries
 
user1804599
woo shiny
 
user1804599
nice
 
nnnnn a few artists I like are releasing new albums soon
so happy
 
6:25 PM
@elyse that says llvm, but it's mostly clang
 
@ʎǝɹɟɟɟǝſ Did you know that dolphins are also called "Angles of the sea"??
 
if you want to actually use LLVM, I think you'll need to build from source
 
In some language yes
 
user1804599
yes, but as long as it includes LLVM then I'm fine with it
 
There we go.
 
6:25 PM
so basically the bermuda triangle
is a conglomeration of 3 dolphins
 
user1804599
it has the LLVM DLLs
 
@elyse want to feed it LLVM IR or what?
 
Meh, gonna play Hotline Miami 2
 
user1804599
oh wait, it doesn't.
 
user1804599
6:26 PM
hmm
 
IIRC you just need cmake and visual studio
 
user1804599
I want to use it from MinGW though.
 
in that case you need cmake and mingw :p
 
user1804599
ok
 
Or you could, you know, use Linux. No? Okay.
 
6:28 PM
@melak47 Why?
there's no particular reason why you should need to build LLVM from source.
@ElimGarak Yeah, but that would entail actually having to use Linux.
 
@Puppy if he wants to use it as a library I mean. Not sure how much the installer comes with
 
user1804599
holy shit extracting takes long
 
user1804599
@Puppy the Windows installer seems not to include LLVM DLLs.
 
user1804599
only libclang
 
doesn't mean you can't find pre-built LLVM DLLs.
 
6:31 PM
Oh, god, setting up a cross-compiler again. Probably will want my own executable format as well.
 
@Mysticial what the fuck did i just read
 
@Nooble You updated the Icicle README 5 times yesterday. :P
 
@ElimGarak Yeah.
I'm rewriting the entire thing.
This time with element buffers and without singletons.
 
what are element buffers.
 
@Puppy Index buffers.
Hmm I should enforce winding so I can cull backfacing things.
 
6:36 PM
Also, wat are u doin writing singletons and shit.
@Nooble Uhm, you're supposed to respect the winding order. :P
 
@ElimGarak He's being a proper gamedev huehuehuehuehuehuehuehuehuehue
 
@ElimGarak What do you mean by "respect"?
@Borgleader Lol.
 
user1804599
> CMake Error: CMake was unable to find a build program corresponding to "MinGW Makefiles". CMAKE_MAKE_PROGRAM is not set. You probably need to select a different build tool.
 
@Nooble It is direct consequence of the handedness of the coordinate system selected. OGL uses a right handed system, hence counterclockwise winding is default.
 
@ElimGarak Didn't want to handle OpenGL's multi-context fuckery.
 
6:40 PM
It helps determine the direction on a per-face basis, for culling and many other stuffs. Be consistent.
 
@ElimGarak Yes but the winding order is determined by the modeler.
 
But yes I'm thinking of forcing CCW.
 
@Mysticial thanks for posting that
 
Just pick a side and stick with it. :P
Ooh, I might watch some Star Trek today.
The last 7 episodes of DS9, fun!
 
user406009
6:43 PM
The new seasons aren't the same though.
 
> Who lies in [1901] I say?
@R.MartinhoFernandes what does it mean?
 
Mine is clearly better.
 
clearly :P
 
Jun 4 at 14:43, by milleniumbug
Then who lies in 1901?
follow the transcript
 
Man, I fucking hate that Kai Winn bitch.
 
6:45 PM
@elyse is mingw32-make etc in your path?
 
user1804599
no, but make.exe is
 
@melak47 y u no copy/alias mingw32-make to make?
 
@milleniumbug ah now I get it
 
@набиячлевэлиь what for
 
@TonyTheLion I don't.
 
6:47 PM
@melak47 mingw32-make is a lot of typing
and you need to remember that
 
user1804599
Setting CMAKE_MAKE_PROGRAM to make.exe makes no difference.
 
10/10 would CMake again
 
@набиячлевэлиь Because MSYS.
 
user406009
Ok, so what is the current "least bad" build system?
 
I even built llvm + clang with mingw-w64 for fun once, didn't have this problem...
 
6:48 PM
@Nooble so what
 
@Nooble Diplomacy is a game where you make up your own rules
 
also lol MSYS
 
@набиячлевэлиь not like I ever use it
msys 2 :D
 
user1804599
I got MinGW from STL, if that matters.
 
@Lalaland Definitely not CMake
 
6:49 PM
@Lalaland CMake.
 
@Nooble inb4 flag
 
Everyone uses it.
 
how do I remove my messsage again?
 
@melak47 Down arrow remove.
 
@melak47 down arrow on the left of msg
 
6:49 PM
Also it won't matter, StarGazer users can still see it.
 
user406009
I think I need to remove that feature.
 
user406009
It's too abusive.
 
Wait, I thought StarGazer died?
 
user406009
@TonyTheLion It's been revived.
 
6:50 PM
Just add an indicator that it was deleted
 
user406009
No one knows why.
 
So people don't get their nerves up over deleted msgs
 
It works for me on OS X Firefox, but not on Windows.
 
@ElimGarak Reload
 
user406009
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A: I'm seeing stars! (I can see who starred a message and so can you)

balphaI have always considered stars to not be secret (they aren't secret on the Q&A sites either, where they're called "favorite"). I can see how some people make that assumption though, since we don't really show "who starred this" in a dedicated UI, mostly because, well, we never created such a thin...

 
6:50 PM
Elyse and nab starred Mysticial message.
 
user406009
@ElimGarak It's probably the firefox version, not the OS.
 
(both are newest/latest)
Oh, well.
 
user1804599
oh wait
 
user1804599
CMAKE_MAKE_PROGRAM shouldn't be an environment variable
 
user406009
I'll update my FF. Let's see if they introduced any breaking changes like last time.
 
6:53 PM
@elyse why would you think that :D
 
@Lalaland Works for me
 
user1804599
yay, it works now
 
wooo
 
user1804599
cmake "-DCMAKE_MAKE_PROGRAM=C:\MinGW\bin\make" -G "MinGW Makefiles" ..\Desktop\llvm-3.7.0.src
 
wat
 
6:54 PM
you should be able to -DCMAKE_MAKE_PROGRAM=make
 
@elyse It's mingw32-make.
Unless you changed it.
 
user1804599
mingw32-make does not exist.
 
@ElimGarak I thought that you could basically have whatever handedness you want in your program as long as you had the correct handedness in your matrices?
 
@Nooble No it's not
 
Did she not install MinGW-w64?
 
6:59 PM
So what?
All normal people rename (or copy) execs to be correct names
 
user1804599
make -j 8 :D
 
user1804599
I love this PC.
 
@Puppy Yes, it's just a matter of defaulting and choice. As long as you're consistent, like I told Nooble, nothing to worry about.
 
@elyse make -j masterrace
 
But consistency is key, otherwise you'll get fucked hard. :D
 
6:59 PM
@набиячлевэлиь The correct name is mingw32-make.
 
@Nooble the correct name is make
 

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