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7:00 PM
@ScottW been listening to this guy's work for a while now and I was reminded about you recommending mf doom to me youtube.com/watch?v=KGwu3AZMklw
 
And it is often mixed up with pipelining, that multiple draw calls start processing at the same time in some cases to combat underutilization (where applicable). Basically, way too many people freaking out over things they don't understand and making up pro/con theories.
 
tinyobjloader is so bad -_-
@ScottW I'm not telkitty.
 
Oxide Games' primary thing is a shitload of units on-screen, all shooting and firing a bunch of missiles. The whole engine is based around the increased throughput of drawcalls that next generation graphics APIs allow. Once you get the GPU really busy on all fronts, that's where shit hits the fan (if you don't code for it, like they were advised to, and even admitted to being advised).
 
@Nooble Where is this mythical tinyobjloader?
 
Indices are only indices for vertices.
Indices is a vector of unsigned ints, it should really be a vector of a vector of unsigned ints.
 
7:10 PM
What.
Why?
 
@ThePhD Because there are different indices for different vertex attributes.
 
There is no graphics implementation
NO graphics implementation
in the world
that has multiple index buffers
 
Of course not.
But this is a loader.
 
So the loader should clearly fold the indices down into a single thing.
Anything else is just more work for the user.
 
Unless it's ordering the vector like v,v,v,vt,vt,vt
But with OBJ, a file can omit one of these attributes, like v//vn instead of v/vt/vn.
But it doesn't.
 
7:12 PM
It should be generating a list of indexed triples and then giving you a { v, vt, vn }, { made_up_index } triple.
 
It's not :P
In fact, indices.size() is always returning the size of vertices.
Which is weird, which is why I think I'm doing something wrong.
 
@ScottW I like the indian bit
 
It's not giving my indices for texcoords or vertex normals.
@ScottW Using what?
@ScottW Because it's either that or assimp.
And assimp links a bunch of crap.
Including DirectX, and I'm not about to fiddle with its CMakeLists.
 
As much as I'd love to read about Nooble's efforts to draw a 3D cock on-screen, I must go gorge myself with something.
 
@ElimGarak Is that fixable with a driver update?
 
7:15 PM
It says it supports those.
Normal and Texture coordinates.
 
@ThePhD Yeah it does.
I'm writing a test right now.
Even @набиячлевэлиь tested it.
 
Question.
@Nooble Does mesh.positions.size() == mesh.normals.size() == mesh.texcoords.size() ?
 
@ThePhD what is love
 
@Borgleader Depends on how truthful Nvidia was with us. Their entire architecture is a black box because they're dicks. However, they promised they were working on it when they told us to not go crazy with it.
 
@AlexM. I can't find the answer if you hurt me.
 
7:17 PM
@ElimGarak I will be very interested to see how this situation evolves.
 
However, when you have the hardware, there are absolutely no issues in enabling that. So, I personally doubt it. But for the sake of my GTX 980 machine, I sure as hell hope so. I assume this bullshit is probably a big part of the reason why they keep it a secret. Hard to call bullshit.
 
@ThePhD it should when it's going to the GPU, but before then you might want to keep them like the obj has them, one attribute shared by multiple vertices
 
@ThePhD Not always!
 
Oh. Well, then you're entirely fucked.
 
Which is why it shouldn't rely on them being the same index.
Wait, you checked the implementation?
 
7:19 PM
who checked what implementation of what
 
@ThePhD don't hurt m... wait that doesn't rhyme
 
@ThePhD did, I think. How do you know?
 
that's the wrong verse!
 
@melak47 Is there a switch for blender to do this?
If you know...
 
Does anybody here have a GCN card and running Win10? @Borgleader you?
 
7:20 PM
@Nooble The implementation seems to just place 3 indices one after another.
 
@ThePhD Fuck. Fuck. Fuck.
 
You should write a simple OBJ file and then drop into gdb or VS to check the files.
 
Yes, that's what it does.
 
Wait. So it does v v v vn vn vn vt vt vt?
With this, indices.size() should return 6.
Because it should be v v v vt vt vt.
 
7:24 PM
Maybe.
 
In fact, a sane implementation should've done v v v 0 0 0 vt vt vt if there weren't any vertex normals.
 
What are the contents of indices?
 
OBJ is not that complicated if you ignore the material and whatnot crap you don't care about :p
 
What's its size?
 
@ThePhD Well, it should be an array of whatever it is in "f".
@ThePhD The size of the OBJ file I linked is 3. Which is the confusing part.
@melak47 But materials are good!
 
7:25 PM
I mean
what does the LIBRARY tell you
what's mesh.indices.size()
and what are its contents
For that obj file
 
@ThePhD It's 3!
The contents are 0 1 2. As is expected for vertex coordinates. My problem is that it isn't containing any vertex normals or texture coordinates.
@ElimGarak Hi.
@ElimGarak Not at all, I sucked back then.
 
:D
Done :P
 
loool
I've seen it
 
@unordered_meow Everyone has.
Now, I wonder how this library works.
 
(why didn't you delete that particular question?) Oh, you marked an answer as correct. :P
 
7:30 PM
@ElimGarak I can't delete it. Even if I didn't mark anything as correct. I don't think.
 
Ah, you'll be able to show it to your kids now.
 
sigh
@ElimGarak Please help tinyobj sucks.
 
@Nooble nope, my calculation was wrong
 
@unordered_meow Awww.
 
@ElimGarak Nope, at home I have a GTX 670 in my new desktop, a 560Ti in my old desktop and a 460M in my laptop.
 
7:32 PM
@Borgleader Nvidia brat :P (same as me :( )
 
@Borgleader Someone needs an upgrade.
 
I have GTX 650 on my main machine
I don't think I own a game that requires a better GPU
 
I have a 7970 in one machine and a 970 in the other :D
@ElimGarak Get a Fury X.
 
@Nooble I am going to hold out to see Nvidia's response first. But I am tempted to get 4x Fury Xs for high bandwidth + compute powah with explicit multiadapter. Wondering whether Nvidia will give us something with 4K cores. Best thing right now is the 980 Ti.
 
@Nooble Send me a 980Ti and I'll gladly put it in my PC
 
7:36 PM
@ElimGarak You must be rich.
 
@Nooble I am doing okay, I guess. I just love working on realtime graphics and GI. Some people like motorcycles, some other crap. We all have something.
 
I love working with money
Can I get money for something I love, too?
 
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@Borgleader For you.
 
bravo
best drawing ever
 
Titan X is a gimmick, way too much memory (low bandwidth) and way too few cores with an unimpressive clock. Given the choice, always take a 980 Ti.
 
7:38 PM
Well, I made it, so...
@ElimGarak Yeah, it boosts better.
 
Fury X on the other hand is the bomb right now. I am hoping Nvidia's ears are still ringing and they're cooking up something good.
 
@ElimGarak I definitely would not buy that card, just look at the sharp jankies. That card is way below my standards. odds not high that anyone will get that reference
 
Nvidia got around posting a new driver yesterday-ish. 355.82
 
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This one's for you, @ElimGarak.
 
7:44 PM
More art.
 
What else is there to draw?
 
@Nooble What's that?
 
@Mysticial A Fury X.
 
wut
 
I tried, okay.
 
7:46 PM
oh
 
Yeah, that separation is annoying me. Where the hell to put all four vents? I've already got 4 inside of the case.
 
it looks more like a button connected to an LCD screen
 
@ElimGarak are there implications in performance yet? from what ive seen, 980Ti generally outperforms the fury
 
@Nooble It looks like some arm coming out of a wall grabbing a hold of a monitor.
 
@ElimGarak Top mount and front intake.
@Mysticial :P
 
7:47 PM
> PermitRootLogin without-password
This is the sshd default
 
is it really
 
Ell
Evenin folks
 
@ElimGarak It's great because the AMD Fury X gets fresh air, which is perfect for overclocking! Oh wait...
 
@ScarletAmaranth Ye olde DX11 benchmarks will probably give it the upper hand (980Ti), but with some cool additions to the new generation of APIs (ExecuteIndirect, async compute) AMD hardware has the upper hand right now due to actually using their brains when developing GCN. Nvidia is in a tight spot because some of their "temporary inconvenience" is turning out to be bullshit.
 
@ElimGarak looking for my 290x to get some extra value :P (my 5970 died like 2 months ago :()
 
7:51 PM
Too bad Fury X voltage is locked.
 
@unordered_meow On Ubuntu (14.04 LTS) at least
 
important announcement: Aronian wins Sinquefield 2015
 
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Q: What does 'without password' mean in sshd_config file?

JohnI just installed Ubuntu 14.04 on my server and I was setting up all my config files when I came across this in my sshd_config file: # Authentication: LoginGraceTime 120 PermitRootLogin without-password StrictModes yes This immedately made me very worried. I thought that it was possible that so...

TL;DR confusing option name
 
@unordered_meow Well, it sounds worrying
 
Nvidia is trying to shift the blame to Oxide (and partially is because they were advised to rethink their approach and not assume every IHV will be supporting it fully), Oxide is blaming Nvidia. Stardock's CEO is going Walter White on Nvidia with "tread lightly". AMD is laughing their ass off.
 
7:54 PM
#NeverForget
 
@Nooble what what
 
The truth is, neither AMD or Nvidia fully support DirectX 12. Won't for quite a while. Had the test been ROV heavy and didn't provide decent support on the AMD side via software solutions, Nvidia would've destroyed that shit. And the story would be reverse. So the whole story is, as I mentioned the first time it came up, quite toxic.
 
@unordered_meow The whole 3.5GB fiasco with NVIDIA's GTX-970.
 
Ell
I don't kno how nvidia has such a strong support with the shot it pulls occasionally
 
@Mysticial More often than not OP does not want this and instead just hopes to attract a larger crowd by specifying both C and C++ in the hope that the resulting answer can be twisted into something useful for whatever language OP uses. This is known as tag spamming. Quite a few times I prepared a detailed answer to a “C or C++” question just to be told that OP uses C++ and my answer doesn't work because it's C specific. I'm sick of that shit. — FUZxxl 49 secs ago
^^ Oooohh... Someone's pissed off.
 
7:56 PM
@Mysticial I could shake him over my fries.
 
@Ell They are consistently losing support. And with AMD getting some good marks with their latest hardware, I like where all this is going. Nvidia needed a wake up call.
 
Ell
Why would they report they supported asynchronous sharers when they don't ?
Silly peeps
 
@Ell Async compute / ExecuteIndirect (DX12 lingo), not shaders. :D
And because they're assholes. And because they already did it with GTX970. They weren't exactly lying. But the truth was more bullshit than they cared to admit.
 
Ell
@elim oops my bad, I'm only parroting what I've read really haha
I like where its going too, I am very happy for AMD
 
AMD even took down that ad because they believed it was "in poor taste".
Good guy AMD.
 
7:57 PM
@Nooble wow just googled it. just... wow.
 
Someone needs to take them to court. There is more than enough "bad faith" right about now.
 
@Nooble Hahahahahaha top kek. well played sir. well played.
 
Ell
If they could be somewhat competitive with Intel again it'd be great. Though in not sure if that's what theyre aiming for even
I am eager to see how Zen performs
 
I think a large part of them keeping their architecture data hidden unlike AMD and Intel is because they're often full of shit or making semi-true statements.
 

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