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11:32 AM
Throw yourself into a pool of cold water. You are being delusional out of heat stroke. @rightfold
FFS.
 
@wilx I don't get it
 
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Fuck Python.
 
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With type hints, interfaces and IntelliJ, PHP is practically statically typed.
 
PHP is great
 
Yeah no
 
11:43 AM
PHP best progrming langage
 
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Python libraries OTOH put type info in docstrings and web pages, and are built on hacks that exploit the pointlessly dynamic features of the language, making static checking pretty much impossible.
 
@elyse Yes, it was made to be a dynamically typed language. Why would static checking be an option?
And yes, I agree that dynamic typing sucks
 
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> thats Obamumma law for you...he loves Islam...hates the US
 
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> Fortunately, President Obama has fundamentally transformed the United States, so we won't be seeing the U.S. military imposing its violent, patriarchal, cis-normative, white privilege Western "values" on poor oppressed third world victims in this manner.
 
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11:49 AM
hahahahaha
 
I don't think black are oppressed in the US. I don't live there, so I can't be certain, but I have a feeling that's not what's happening in the south east America.
 
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Implicit conversions in Scala are great. If you say x.f, and x has no visible f member, it looks for an implicit conversion from the type of x to a type that does have a visible f member.
 
That's... terrible.
 
yeah, terrible
 
@elyse Absolute nonsense
 
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11:53 AM
This allows you to implement extension methods. :D
 
What are your UTC timezones, respectively?
 
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UGT
 
It's 4 o'clock here. I don't know the timezone.
 
If x has a as member, and x is implicitly convertible to a type that has ~a as member, where a is a generic method name and ~a is the method a with an hamming distance of 1 (typo), then what you get is that the compiler doesn't throw any error and implicitly converts the x to the type to get ~a.
 
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11:54 AM
Thank you, Google.
 
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@ʎǝɹɟɟɟǝſ Sure, but you have to make sure the implicit conversion is in scope first.
 
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The combination of which is quite frankly very unlikely to happen by accident.
 
Can the duration between messages be quick, so I can stay interested till 1AM? :)
 
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No?
 
12:10 PM
@edition It's summer time, go out and play.
 
@ʎǝɹɟɟɟǝſ its winter in NZ.
 
It's always winter there.
 
@ʎǝɹɟɟɟǝſ Out sucks
 
I want a dark theme like that.
 
12:18 PM
its something to do.
 
Too lazy.
 
its fun.
 
thanks
@Xeo nice, did you write this?
 
@Xeo which CSS selector applies to a highlighted message, when hovering over a reply?
 
12:25 PM
I am a terrible designer. Whatever I write is ugly as fuck.
 
did @R.MartinhoFernandes come and spoil the fun on the starboard?
 
Xeo
@edition ctrl-shift-I and try finding it with that
 
@Xeo I'm tired.
 
Xeo
@khajvah Partially. I grabbed a prewritten dark script, and fixed / changed some stuff
8 mins ago, by edition
its something to do.
 
@edition just steal Xeo's one.
GitHub is like Bitbucket.
Amazing, @elyse
 
12:31 PM
I like @Morwenn's avatar.
 
@edition Well, thanks I guess.
 
@Xeo picks or it didn't happen
 
Xeo
@thecoshman ?
 
@Xeo oh I say, very tolerable
 
@thecoshman That must be the best compliment you can get in this room.
"very tolerable"
 
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12:35 PM
@khajvah XD
 
> Exception non g‚r‚eÿ
Exceptional fail
 
Are those protective garments or bellies?
 
lol
 
they used cost analyses on the vests.
 
@chmod711telkitty They are American
 
12:38 PM
@chmod711telkitty is it the official "beat the black" day now?
 
NZ is becoming more like America, for the wrong reasons.
 
What do you mean "like America"?
 
Probably there are many McDonald's restaurants opening.
 
sorry, my grammer is falling apart.
I mean, with arming police officers, providing less subsidies on education, etc.
 
> Becoming
Bitch please, I have been living in a country without subsidies on education, health, etc... whole my life.
All they do is look for more ways of milking people.
 
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12:49 PM
lol, Rackspace fail
 
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> 1: [virtual bool rax::CloudFilesConnection::ListObjects(const string&, std::vector<rax::ObjectStat>&, const string&, const string&, int): 280-virtual bool rax::CloudFilesConnection::ListObjects(const string&, std::vector<rax::ObjectStat>&, const string&, const string&, int)] Ex Code(2004): Error listing objects. Server returned HTTP 401
 
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nice error message
 
@khajvah Which country?
 
@elyse That's because C++ is piece of crap.
 
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XD
 
12:50 PM
@edition Armenia
C++ is even uglier than Java.
 
Java seems like inception.
 
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Java > C++
2
 
@elyse 401, is that auth?
 
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What should my compiler infer as the type of x in the expression x.f?
 
the type of x? is it a class, if so is it inherited?
 
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12:59 PM
No, x is a variable and f is a field.
 
The most abstract type that has f
 
ah.
 
user1804599
There are currently only concrete types.
 
could you explain further?
 
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Maybe I'll introduce abstract structural types though.
 
1:00 PM
@elyse You won't have much choice in that case.
 
I still don't understand.
 
@Columbo Congrats
"thanks"
"you are welcome"
 
Oh, yeah, thanks
 
@Columbo don't think I'll ever get that one
 
1:08 PM
I'll get the curiosity badge soon.
 
@Borgleader Why not
Btw., you gotta love Alfs profile description
> My contributions to the C++ FAQ are numerous, but I think my main contribution is the FAQ item about dynamic binding during initialization, DBDI, "Okay, but is there a way to simulate that behavior as if dynamic binding worked on the this object within my base class's constructor?". The text is Marshall Cline’s, not my original proposal. But I convinced him, through a lengthy e-mail discussion, to include that item, so I think of it as “my” FAQ item…
His main contribution to the FAQ doesn't even contain his own text
And the best part is that the link is dead.
 
Xeo
Btw, whoever pinned that rules message sucks. It has the wrong link.
Want to live a happy life? Read The Rules.
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English relies on inferred topics too much.
 
Xeo
lol. Try Japanese
 
1:14 PM
@edition Well, we are humans. It works better for humans
 
@MaiLongdong No problem. I discovered that joyful fact on Thursday.
 
@khajvah Loosely defined sentences in English bother me.
 
> if(diag(x1,y1,x2,y2)&&(x1!=-y1&&x2!=-y2)&&((y2>y1&&x2>x1)||(y1>y2&&x1>x2)))cout<‌​<max(x1,x2)<<" "<<min(y1,y2)<<" "<<min(x1,x2)<<" "<<max(y1,y2);
some people really hate whitespace
 
@Borgleader neat. Looks like a compiled JavaScript.
 
@Borgleader mean things to do to the maintainer #1523
 
1:19 PM
@Xeo Lol somebody removed his star
 
I did. At first I liked it but then started not to.
 
@Xeo lol, everyone was so busy trying to be funny they didn't even notice
 
@Xeo There's a "like the Robot" missing in there.
 
@Columbo Because I never find C++ questions I want to answer :( I close 90% of them on sight.
 
@Borgleader Try JQuery tag.
 
1:21 PM
@Borgleader 90%? What issues were presented by those questions that you closed?
nevermind
 
@khajvah How would that help me in getting the gold C++ badge =/
 
38° temperature, low blood pressure and even less blood. I can't program (headache), go to the beach (too weak) or do anything else than being fed with this abominable crap from social networks
 
@Borgleader oooh, deleted. I was bored and going to work through the logic tediously slowly
 
SO chat is becoming a substitute for facebook.
 
@edition I like this
 
1:36 PM
Good morning.
 
@Borgleader gold c++ badge is worthless, pursue a gold badge. That is pure (while(true) pun();) gold
 
I want to sleep :(
 
@khajvah So do I, its 1:40 AM here.
 
@edition It's 5:40 PM
But I hate Monadays
 
No it's 9:40AM.
 
1:42 PM
No, you are wrong!
 
ok
 
awww snap, @SamDeHaan is in the best time zone
 
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haha
 
@MarcoA. haha
 
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> I nerd would call religion "malware".
 
1:46 PM
I'm going to write a cool C++ header-only library on github. It will make heavy use of templates and lots of compile-time features.
 
What will this library do
 
I still don't know what that library will serve for
but that will surely come to mind later
 
you should call the library "ho"
for header-only
also 'ho' is a nice namespace
 
right
 
libho.so
 
1:47 PM
and it might also stand for "hooker"
 
@edition It's header-only, fool
 
JS must be the most undebuggable language
 
and?
 
@MarcoA. Make a header-only lib for ascii art games
@MarcoA. I would use it
 
@Mr.kbok I will. And I'll post on reddit. When the post reaches +100 upvotes, I'll explain what the library does.
 
1:48 PM
of course libho.so doesn't make sense, but I like the name.
 
'hn'; Header oNly
 
I know
 
I want to make it so compile-time that you won't be able to use it at run-time
run-time is so old-fashion and slow, compile-time is the future
 
ok, I get that its a header.
 
best on-site interview delay excuse ever: sry but my airport is on fire
 
1:54 PM
What do you think of NZ?
 
What is NZ?
 
New Zealand.
 
Never been there.
 
Southern hemisphere.
 
Better than Old Zealand.
 
1:57 PM
very good.
 
New is not always better.
 
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Upcasts in OCaml are explicit rather than implicit.
 
@Ell Tomorrow I might get first Uni offers or rejections
What about ya
Any unconditionals?
 
@Columbo How old are you?
 
What are you intending to study (if you don't mind me asking)?
 
2:00 PM
Whats the point of marking a function with 'nothrow'
I get that it tells the compiler that the function won't throw any exceptions... but why does the compiler need to know that? Also why can't the compiler just tell by looking at the function definition?
 
@Prismatic In case the programmer is smarter than the compiler or debugger.
 
@Prismatic The definition may not be readily available.
 
proving that the function does not throw would be solving the halting problem.
 
> This attribute tells the compiler that the declared function and the functions it calls never throw an exception. With the synchronous exception handling model, now the default, the compiler can eliminate the mechanics of tracking the lifetime of certain unwindable objects in such a function, and significantly reduce the code size.
 
I was wrong.
 
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2:10 PM
Reject programs for which neither throwing nor non-throwing can be inferred.
 
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Then you don't need to solve the halting problem.
 
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Rejecting correct programs is what static type systems do all the time.
 
@thecoshman I admire your patience boredom
 
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Prohibit all exceptions and infinite loops. :3
 
Are there any languages that impose those restrictions?
 
2:16 PM
inb4 Mill
 
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@Prismatic Coq.
 
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Programs in Coq must always return; otherwise they will not pass the type checker.
 
sounds industrial strength
 
its 2:21AM. I should rest now, thanks for the messages posted here today.
 
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2:21 PM
It's a theorem proving assistant.
 
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It's useful to have these restrictions since then you can treat programs as proofs as per the Curry–Howard isomorphism.
 
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If you have exceptions or infinite loops then all types are inhabited.
 
inhibited
im guessing
 
I wish I was the Batman
 
@elyse those are 4 bullet points
 
2:25 PM
@MarcoA. It is a demonstration of HTML's "ol" tag
 
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@MarcoA. hence "Two options:"
 
@khajvah and also wrong since it says "Two options"
 
user1804599
It's a nice example of how redundancy makes maintenance more error-prone.
 
My back hurt, I have a diarrhea and I feel sleepy
what's wrong with me
 
Is Azio a good company
 
2:29 PM
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Q: Why my C# code is faster than my C code?

ozgurI am launching these two console applications on Windows OS. Here is my C# code int lineCount = 0; StreamWriter writer = new StreamWriter("txt1.txt",true); for (int i = 0; i < 900; i++) { for (int k = 0; k < 900; k++) { writer.WriteLine("This is a new line" + line...

grabs popcorn
 
@khajvah (int)std::log10(INT64_MAX)
There we go, that should work
@edition CS
 
CS GO?
@Columbo My brain is 32 bit
 
@khajvah Computer Science
 
> You are comparing apples and patatatoes.
 
@sbi I was referring to you applying to full-time positions and insisting on 20 hours/week in order to get 30 hours/week.
 
2:34 PM
@Columbo I thought you already had masters.
 
@khajvah Why on earth would you think that
 
@AndyProwl And then he corrected it to "patatoes"
 
pommes
 
@Columbo I confused you with Prismatic. I thought you were the one who was giving lectures.
 
> c and c# are completely different beasts, when the main difference in my opinion is that C# is managed language (there is CLR that runs in the background and does a lot of work like optimization etc.) while C is not.
^ much wisdom
 
2:36 PM
C is not a beast. — khajvah 16 secs ago
 
¬_¬ ergh... someone in management has got a bee in their bonnet about storage space being too costly
 
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I think that instead of x.f for field access, I'll generate lenses that can be accessed as T#f where T is the struct type.
 
of all the things to save money on, storage space is like... dirt cheap
 
SSD is costly
 
Im assuming @thecoshman is talking about long term storage and not ssds but yeah, ssds can be expensive
 
2:42 PM
@AndyProwl A patatypo holy shit I laughed
 
this mouse would be perfect if it wasnt for the extra buttons being on the top on not the side
 
@Borgleader yes
 
@Mr.kbok bad copy paste :(
 
I'll let you go this time
Story time
 
@Prismatic network storage
 
2:43 PM
I received a delivery of a new DLL that I have to use to generate whatever number matrix
 
to the point where they are going to start deleting shit...
vOv how hard is to order peoples networked drive by size, start yelling at the those using too much storage?
 
1TB 7200RPM HDD cost about $50.
 
Turns out the DLL is a build of a C++ wrapper around boost::python code wrapping a python library that is translating xml files to wrap the call to a .exe file that is a launcher for QuIC code
I don't even
 
@Nooble well, to be fair, for mass storage you'll want a few of those in RAID and ones that can handle 24/7 up time
but yeah, it's dirt fucking cheap
 
@thecoshman Ahh. Enterprise-grade disks cost a bit more yeah.
 
2:46 PM
they fucking skimp on the computers enough, hey hey!
 
Also the other team is working on a XML wrapper around the C++ code, ie a .exe client of the C++ lib that you call with an xml file as input
 
@Nooble shhh, don't say Enterprise, things suddenly cost more when you do.
 
@thecoshman Hehe.
 
@thecoshman I can sell you Enterprise-class euros for 1.2€ a piece
5
 
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2:47 PM
space plants
 
@elyse oooh, fancy lettece
lord, that guy looks shit scared
it's grown surprisingly normally looking
it's good not just the nutrition point of view
 
Let's recapitulate: The guys across the room are making a program that generates a XML request that is passed to an external program that parses the XML into C++ structures, that are converted to python structures, that are converted to XML, which are used to call another external program (QuIC), which executes the code, and produces an XML files, that is converted to python classes, that is converted to C++ structures, that are converted to XML, that is sent to the original process, that is...
unserialized into whatever it is used for. Sorry for the long message.
 
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Let's reticulate splines
 
sounds good
 
@Mr.kbok this process lacks a -> llvm -> winzip -> x86 asm -> optimized ruby code chain to be perfect
after that you're good to go. Probably some .bat files in there as well to adjust things up
 
2:57 PM
@MarcoA. Also jabbascript
 
jDefinitely
Right.js
 
I don't know what to do. I have to tell the guy who did it that his work is shit
 
@Mr.kbok You... what
Who in their right mind would do such a thing
 

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