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7:00 PM
Morewin :)
 
@Morwenn I do. Wait, on second thought, I don't.
 
Fuuuuuuuuuucking deadlocks
 
user1804599
aaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaa
 
user1804599
I'm too scared to tell my parents ;_;
 
lint warning, to many vowels
 
7:01 PM
Are you pregnant?
 
@elyse You can do it rightfold.
I believe in you.
 
user1804599
@khajvah No, I'm a girl. :v
 
@khajvah he wrote bad code
 
If you're too much of a chicken we'll have to give you to telkitty as a pet
3
 
@elyse Really?
 
user1804599
7:02 PM
@CatPlusPlus XD
 
user1804599
@khajvah Yes. :v
 
@khajvah Yes.
 
yus
 
How do you know, Booble?
 
user1804599
I told him.
 
7:03 PM
He knows everything worth knowing
 
user1804599
But you are strangers so I can tell you just fine.
 
@khajvah I know everything.
 
user1804599
But telling it to my parents is more scary.
 
@elyse I know what you mean.
 
user1804599
XD
 
7:04 PM
@elyse We can tell your parents for you Radek
 
YOu didn't tell what happened
@Jeremy did you mean Bartek?
 
user1804599
@Morwenn help XD
 
@elyse How am I supposed to help you? :)
 
@elyse Shia Noobluf will help.
 
user1804599
@Morwenn tell me how you did that :V
 
7:05 PM
@elyse Tell the lounge what happened and receive the best advice ever.
 
user1804599
@Nooble who is that
 
The guy that didn't play in Transformers
 
just, DO IT
 
@elyse Nooble + This thing
 
a pic says more than thousand words may apply here
 
7:06 PM
@Nooble the comments are gold
 
@elyse I didn't really have to tell them out of nowhere. There were enough signs intentionally not hidden.
 
user1804599
@JohanLarsson but does it also say more than three words?
 
depends as with all things
 
user1804599
@Morwenn I see.
 
@EtiennedeMartel So proud of my country :3
 
7:07 PM
@elyse Or I didn't understand at all what your problem is. Your pick.
 
user1804599
My problem is that my parents think I am a boy but I am a girl.
 
> I am a girl, AMA.
 
I imagine how hard that would be to tell.
 
can you duck type?
 
@elyse Well, I wasn't in the wrong then ^.^
@khajvah Do you really?
 
7:09 PM
@Morwenn Maybe.
 
user1804599
@Morwenn what sort of signs?
 
user1804599
I hide all my potential signs.
 
@elyse Like me posting pics on social networks or undergoing laser hair removal for example?
Hiding signs won't get you anywhere unfortunately :/
 
user1804599
Hmm.
 
How did you realize that you are girls?
 
7:11 PM
@khajvah I'm not a girl.
 
I'm not a duck
Lounge<confessions>
 
@ʞɔᴉN No fucking way.
 
user1804599
@khajvah I don't know.
 
user1804599
It was a long time ago.
 
user1804599
Apr 6 '14 at 22:14, by rightfold
I’m not sure of my gender.
 
user1804599
7:13 PM
Around then.
 
@Morwenn I mean. Not biologically.
 
Also I often talk about gender and stuff anyway with a certain frame of mind. When people are introduce to the subject without cliché glasses, it helps a lot.
@khajvah Well yeah, I am biologically male. What I mean that there is a large spectrum of genders. I don't consider myself a girl, I only hate having a body that looks like the body of a male.
But it would take days to cover it all, and I don't think that everyone here is interested in the matter.
 
Xeo
@Morwenn You can open seperate chat rooms, y'know
 
@Xeo There's also that :)
 
@Morwenn Would you like to be biologically female if you had a choice?
 
7:16 PM
@Xeo would probably get nuked by mods
 
Xeo
Why?
 
> "During the testing process, the defendant requested to take a SnapChat selfie with me to which I happily obliged," officer Hektoen wrote in the report. "He said he captioned the photo using emoji icons showing a police car, next to a passenger car, next to a tow truck. "
 
not about programming
 
Xeo
Just open it on general SE chat, and pretend it's for biology.SE :D
 
unrelated to porgaming
 
7:17 PM
@khajvah I don't know. I guess that I only care about the appearance, not about what's inside biologically.
 
@ʞɔᴉN Yeah, just like Lounge<Factorio> :P
 
Xeo
@unordered_meow Or Lounge<KSP>
 
@Morwenn why is appearance important?
 
do you think in like 10 years emojis will be super commonplace in normal non-technical communication
 
Xeo
Or all the PHP rooms (don't call PHP programming)
 
7:18 PM
@Morwenn So you still like ladies?
 
@unordered_meow lol is that a room?
 
Xeo
twas
 
till it got nuked
 
@ʞɔᴉN Sure it is
It got resurrected
 
@khajvah I do, but that's not related either.
 
Xeo
@ʞɔᴉN nah, till the hype went down
 
@unordered_meow Let's create a PL called Factorio to cover it.
 
rip in peace
 
@JohanLarsson I don't know. That's not rational anyway. You cannot solve every problem with logic.
 
the core problem with Lounge<Factorio> is that Factorio is just not a very good game.
 
7:19 PM
Maybe they would not dare to touch a Lounge<HBTQ>
 
@Morwenn Sure you can.
 
would not be very pc
@Morwenn just curious
 
@Puppy Let me add an adverb like « easily » or something like that :p
 
user1804599
« French confirmed »
 
@elyse Hey, most French people don't even know how to type these characters :D
 
Xeo
7:21 PM
@Puppy twas fun for 60h or so
 
am I right here?
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A: Function definition not found for a function declared inside unnamed namespace - how to resolve? (Visual Studio 2015)

Alex M.This compiles OK, with the light bulb you mentioned: namespace { void func(); } void ::func() //Will not compile if 'void func()' {} int main() { func(); } But IntelliSense also outputs (in both cases): Error (active) more than one instance of overloaded function "func" matches the ...

 
Xeo
and I haven't even explored all the stuffs
 
@elyse do you think it has anything to do with obsession with strong typing?
 
@Puppy Alright, give me positive integer solutions to x^3+y^3=z^3.
 
user1804599
No, but Perl 6 has « and » operators.
 
7:21 PM
Strong typing is only sensible typing
Implicit conversions are garbage
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@Jeremy IIRC, there aren't any.
or is FLT only for ^4 and greater
 
Xeo
@Jeremy A solution doesn't mean it's a satsifying one. The solution is "no solution".
 
@Puppy ^3 and greater
 
@CatPlusPlus I can't hear you over the sound of me writing jabbascript
 
@Xeo Ok, let me rephrase that. You can tell that Factorio is a not very good game within the first 3h if you're not an illiterate peasant ;p
@Jeremy Well then, there you go, problem solved with logic.
 
7:22 PM
@ʞɔᴉN I feel your pain every day for 8 hours.
 
Xeo
@Puppy If I had fun for those 60h, what does it matter
 
> When there's no solution, there's no problem.
 
@khajvah hey fellow hipster
 
@ʞɔᴉN I wish we had starbucks. #justgirlythings
 
<3
 
7:24 PM
@Xeo Obviously it matters because my fun is clearly superior to your fun
 
There is also this new thing #100happydays.
 
Xeo
@Puppy too late
 
we should do it for the complete hipster package.
 
Xeo
Also, your fun is clearly unrelated to my fun.
 
@khajvah I'd do that but it would just be 100 pictures of me alone
 
7:25 PM
Is there a way
 
no
 
of turning a compile-time string into a specific type?
 
Not a tag-like type but the actual type
 
@Xeo I had fun with FTL
 
7:25 PM
@ʞɔᴉN fapping to 100 different but awsome porns.
 
I'll take Factorio over FTL any day
 
@khajvah naw just pics of me
 
@CatPlusPlus y y y y
 
I should make a program that refuctors pieces of any codebase and commits it
See how long I can last at a job just doing that.
 
@Jeremy Is that supposed to be re-fucktors or refactor or refunctor?
 
7:26 PM
Yes
 
@VermillionAzure refucktor
 
@Jeremy Have fun with that~!
 
Xeo
@VermillionAzure kinda.
 
@Xeo No, like I mean the actual type
 
@Jeremy Your github profile would look pretty solid
 
Xeo
7:27 PM
@VermillionAzure What is an "actual type" for you?
 
@Xeo uint_32
 
...
 
Xeo
Yeah, like I said, you can kinda do that
 
to double or something of the sort
 
Xeo
the "kinda" part is on the compile-time string side
 
7:28 PM
I'm having fun in KSP right now
 
Xeo
Mapping a constant value to a type is easy
 
@ʞɔᴉN Real hipsters use Bitbucket, noob.
 
launching the World's Most Badly Designed Rover
 
@Xeo The problem was
 
@MarcoA. Not that I know of.
 
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7:28 PM
Boooring.
 
to take a variant holding arbitrary types and then reduce them back to its current stored type
 
@khajvah I'm actually using Bitbucket with Mercurial for my current project
 
user1804599
In Scala you can map non-constant values to types.
 
Xeo
@VermillionAzure That's a runtime value.
 
@ʞɔᴉN Is nice, yes?
 
7:29 PM
@VermillionAzure bitbucket or hg?
 
@Xeo But I wanted to store the type in an enum or something like that
 
 
@ʞɔᴉN yes
 
@ʞɔᴉN You won with Mercurial, I am using git with Bitbucket.
 
Xeo
@VermillionAzure That's still a runtime value...
 
7:29 PM
@Xeo Meh.
 
Xeo
you can only acquire the index of the stored type at runtime.
 
lol
 
the better question is, how did this survive atmospheric temperature and aerodynamic forces when launching into orbit?
 
Well, how might I store type as a runtime value?
 
Xeo
because only at runtime is something stored.
 
7:29 PM
you don't.
 
Xeo
@VermillionAzure not
 
@Xeo No, I mean, have an efficient system for this?
 
@VermillionAzure No, he means, you really don't.
 
Of course it's possible, but it won't be basic C++.
 
Xeo
"Dynamic typing": The belief that you can't explain to a computer why your code works, but you can keep track of it all in your head.
^ the answer
:P
 
7:30 PM
All it means is to just store type metadata at runtime
 
@ScottW I am using Arch Linux, I win.
 
@VermillionAzure If by "not basic" you mean "completely outside the bounds of C++" then yes
 
@ScottW I'm 100% douche so yes
@khajvah well fuck
 
@Puppy Dude, completely outisde the bounds just means you have to build it.
 
@VermillionAzure why do you need to store types? what are you even doing
 
7:31 PM
@VermillionAzure Well, not when the core part of the feature involves interacting with the compiler, which hs only a fixed set of feature.s
 
so unless you want to Clang-as-a-library and JIT the outcome, you really cannot do it.
 
@ʞɔᴉN It was to narrow a variant back to its original type
 
Apr 23 at 17:15, by Griwes
@Cinch Ugh what did you invent this time
 
So if I put a Foo into a variant, I want the variant to keep track of its type.
 
7:33 PM
@VermillionAzure Which it does.
 
@ScottW It's not too bad, honestly...
@Puppy Which it does but I don't have the means to reduce the type back to its original in the code at runtime.
 
it's called a "visitor"
 
@Puppy Enlighten me
Explain more plz
 
look at the Boost variant documentation
it clearly explains what a visitor is and how to use it
 
^ That
 
7:34 PM
@Puppy I looked at boost::variant already. It appeared that it didn't really do the thing I wanted or something like that
...Hm...
The problem is that the visitor can't return more than one possible type unless I have to do a linear search anyways
 
How's your tutorial chapter on Boost.Variant coming?
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the problem is that what you seem to want to do is literally time travel.
 
@ʎǝɹɟɟɟǝſ it's a work in progress k
 
@ʎǝɹɟɟɟǝſ I wanna hug you right now :) Good one!
@Puppy I don't understand your argument
 
all C++ types are compile-time.
how do you intend to influence the compile-time type system with a run-time value?
 
7:37 PM
@VermillionAzure You are from the future, mate.
 
@Puppy By making classes/structs... :|
How else?
 
er, that is not magic
 
I was just wondering what a good way to implement the dynamic typing would be.
 
You can throw several different types from a function and dispatch the result with catch.
 
@VermillionAzure rewrite GCC
 
7:38 PM
@Morwenn Hm? That sounds interesting. can you explain more?
 
@VermillionAzure That was sarcastic. Never do that.
 
I thought an exception class didn't allow for variant storage
 
@VermillionAzure V8
 
@Morwenn oh, it wasn't
 
@ʞɔᴉN But I don't need JS, all I need is a dynamic type class.
 
7:39 PM
@VermillionAzure What for?
 
what's the point of C++ if you're not using strict typing?
 
@VermillionAzure You do need JS. JS is love.
 
@khajvah JS is life
 
@ʞɔᴉN /s/if you're not using strict typing//
 
@VermillionAzure There isn't one.
 
7:39 PM
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A: Creating an object of specific type based on user input

VermillionAzureI don't like your method of doing it because it's too long and messy. If I were you, I'd set up an associative map between string input and types, and then pass the types to the template once you've correctly converted from input to type. Unfortunately, because you cannot play directly with typ...

 
@khajvah lol took me a while to parse that
 
Yeah this is what I meant
It wasn't originally my question
But it does make me think
 
@VermillionAzure why not just use a string for user input
 
@ʞɔᴉN it doesn't matter
 
@VermillionAzure Just use something that exists
 
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7:42 PM
> Spaghettivreter (literally: "spaghetti eater", using the crude word for "eater") is an insulting term for people of Italian descent.
 
user1804599
TIL about this Dutch word.
 
cinch likes to re-invent the wheel
 
user1804599
@ʎǝɹɟɟɟǝſ spaghettivreter
 
Unless your goal is to implement a type system, don't implement a type system
 
just don't pointlessly dynamically type shit?
 
7:43 PM
@elyse lol
don't we have more than one italian in here?
 
@elyse We have one like that too
 
@MarcoA. spaghettivreter
 
@ʞɔᴉN Have you not realized that I'm just doing this to learn?
My god you people make like I'm the worst C++ programmer evar
with the wurst ideas
 
@VermillionAzure I've learned to let other people do the hard work
#opensource
 
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@ʞɔᴉN @AndyProwl is ook een spaghettivreter.
 
7:44 PM
@VermillionAzure You're writing a C++ tutorial
 
@VermillionAzure Don't get them wrong. Many people including many of us had the same wrongs ideas at some point.
 
@VermillionAzure I have a feeling thta he is doing something wrong.
 
@CatPlusPlus I stopped writing for the time being
 
That's a bad problem to encounter.
 
It's not really a problem
 
7:45 PM
@khajvah I find the dynamic typing can be nice
When you're doing more interactive programming, dynamic typing is better.
 
@VermillionAzure You need JabbaScript treatment
Dynamic typing sucks.
 
come to the dark side
stop pretending
 
@CatPlusPlus when was the last time you took a #selfie ?
 
@Morwenn We did?
 
@khajvah Dynamic typing works better when it's used for user-facing interactivity.
 
7:46 PM
Aaaaaaargh I'm wondering why shit's still deadlocking and now I remembered that goddamn thing doesn't use the same code
@MarcoA. Never
 
@Borgleader I linked a demo of a powerVR video on android comparing ES 3.1 with Vulkan and how much faster the latter is for draw call submission. Also it'll be forever until we see a significant amount of devices that support it
 
@VermillionAzure Dynamic typing is shit for anything more than a small project.
 
That is coincidentally also the next time
 
@ʎǝɹɟɟɟǝſ Well, I guess that everybody tried to abuse the type system at some point.
 
I'm working with R and it's a good compliment for its use.
 
7:46 PM
lol "abuse"
 
@Prismatic Vulkan is so dope I hope I can jump on the bandwagon when it comes.
 
Dynamic typing is fine once you get over type system wanking
 
@ScottW that duck writes better code than you
 
@CatPlusPlus lol
 
@ʞɔᴉN If it codes like a duck, and chats like a duck...
 
7:47 PM
@CatPlusPlus lol
 
@VermillionAzure inb4 it's me
 
That duck is looking for 'delete osx' key
 
@ʞɔᴉN k
Anyways...
Yeah I think having a dynamically-typed layer between C++ and other dynamically-typed languages could be particularly helpful
 
What you mean by "layer"
 
meh
 
7:49 PM
For what
 
@CatPlusPlus For, say, binding between something like Python and C++ or R and C++
 
Then you need reflection for C++ not dynamic typing for C++
 
@CatPlusPlus Is that possible?
 
C++ is garbage so only in roundabout ways
 
@Prismatic Oh, sure, it'll be a while. But the good news is, it's gaining traction :)
@ScottW d'awwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwww :3 :3 :3 :3
almost as cute as you
 
7:50 PM
Or you could use execute the compiler from the program for a given user input, make it generate a dynamic library and load the newly compiled stuff at runtime. But if in doubt don't do that either.
 
@VermillionAzure most real TMP is done to imitate some sort of reflection or other.
 
user1804599
C++ has dynamic typing.
 
@elyse Go on, I wanna hear this one.
 
Subtyping is a form of dynamic typing
 
user1804599
There's a distinction between static and dynamic types.
 
7:51 PM
Spoilers
 
@JerryCoffin That sounds about right, but I don't understand what exactly this means
If anything, it proves TMP's worth more to me now.
 
> That sounds about right, but I don't understand what exactly this means
 
Everybody agrees that there should be reflection in C++ but nobody agrees how. At the end of the day, we don't have reflection in C++.
 
did that sound right just because Jerry said that?
 
7:53 PM
@VermillionAzure Basically it means a lot of TMP is done to figure out properties of types (e.g., can X be converted to Y, is X derived from Y, etc.)
 
@khajvah No, because of bits and piece I look at and I don't really understand I guess
@JerryCoffin Duck typing?
 
@Morwenn You rarely care about reflection. C++ doesn't even have modules.
 
@Borgleader For sure. Check out this video: blog.imgtec.com/powervr/…
very excited at how much vulkan might simplify both engines and cross platform development
 
@ScottW Not really naymore
 
@khajvah But when you do... you do.
 
7:53 PM
@VermillionAzure No, not really.
 
It's more like personal notes and formalized notes
 
@ScottW You honestly didn't know?
 
@elyse Yes. Go on.
 
@VermillionAzure I nay less. My horse only neighs once in a while.
 
7:54 PM
@ScottW Don't you know Cinch?
 
user1804599
And you can query information about the dynamic type.
 
@ʎǝɹɟɟɟǝſ No he came in late
@ʎǝɹɟɟɟǝſ He came in after I made the switch
 
@ScottW You missed a lot.
 
@VermillionAzure He was here before you came in, so I'm not sure what you are talking about?
He was here before I came in too.
 
@ScottW naaaah
 
7:55 PM
ha ha ha, came in
 
@VermillionAzure Much of it, but not all (specifically, reflection per se is only to learn about types, but that includes some that also create modified versions of types and such).
 
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/me slaps @ʎǝɹɟɟɟǝſ
 
@ʎǝɹɟɟɟǝſ I am surprised, none of "came" comments got starred.
 
7:56 PM
@khajvah that's good, I'm tired of those stars
 
@khajvah Because they're all not funny and really lame.
 
@khajvah We are mature gentleman
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I mean, don't get me wrong, they were fun at the beginning. But now the starboard is constantly 80% just that.
 
@ʞɔᴉN lol
 
@ScottW Well, to continue
 
7:58 PM
@ScottW Yeah, I remember that, fun times.
 
I came in about 2013 with my Cinch account. It's when I started to learn C++ seriously
 
boy rover are pretty slow
 
And then I joined LoungeC++ and I was very very bad
 
@VermillionAzure Which conincided with the moment you started writing the C++ tutorial, right?
 
oh whoops I may have left the brakes on
 
7:58 PM
And then I took the C++ class at my university and I was #2 in the class
 
@ScottW what happened on this fateful night?
 
@Puppy Are girl rovers any faster?
 
@ʎǝɹɟɟɟǝſ No, I started when I was still in the C++ class
 
@VermillionAzure Universities suck. Don't be proud.
 
@khajvah Don't let him down, come on.
 
7:59 PM
I am motivating.
 

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