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10:00 AM
@Borgleader Thanks
 
Just your regular anime series about professional cooking and about women that become horny when tasting good food.
 
user1804599
I'm getting sick of Python's retarded significant indentation, single-expression lambdas and scoping rules.
 
sbi
Hi.
 
Good morning
 
Xeo
@StackedCrooked Yeah, dunno, not my kinda deal.
 
10:06 AM
weirdo :p
 
Xeo
Also, wtf. I had a litre of milk in my fridge, which I opened yesterday or the day before, and which has the 14th as the "best before" date... and it went sour.
 
sbi
@Xeo Thunderstorm?
 
Xeo
not in my fridge :P
 
poor kitties
 
sbi
@Xeo Doesn't need to be. I dunno what kind of milk you buy, but real milk is more likely to go sour when a thunderstorm comes by.
 
10:09 AM
if it's sealed, how can the thunderstorm affect it
 
@sbi How so? Does it get scared and shit sour itself?
 
sbi
@Borgleader I dunno. But when I was a kid, before dairies became so sterile, and before skimmed and homogenized milk became a thing, milk would likely go sour when a thunderstorm moved through.
WTF? Am I missing something or are newbies here now just randomly dropping my name to add credibility to their claims?
Please tell me I'm missing something.
I don't even know what that guy is talking about.
 
well then you're clearly missing something- what he's talking about
 
sbi
So help an old man out here. What am I agreeing to without knowing what it is?
 
young man doesn't know either ;p
 
Xeo
@sbi I don't think there's been a consensus yet, if that is actually related (for heat-treated milk)
 
Kinda weird.. :D
 
Xeo
(FWIW, we did have a few thunderstorms yesterday - but I'm kinda skeptical that that affected anything within my fridge.)
but OTOH, I have no other explanation on why it curdled / went sour :<
 
sbi
@Xeo That what is related?
 
10:17 AM
If thunderstorms do affect milk, I'll be really interested in the explanation
 
sbi
@Puppy Feel yourself slapped across the cheek.
 
Xeo
@sbi Thunderstorms and milk curdling / going sour.
 
@sbi I could do, but I could also not do.
 
sbi
@Xeo As I said, when I was a kid, and a thunderstorm went through, my mother would check the fridge the next morning, likely to pour some of the milk down the drain. Or she would cook something involving milk in the evening in order to avoid it going to waste.
 
Xeo
Yeah, but when you were young, dinosaurs roamed the earth.
 
10:20 AM
but a fridge would be a conductor, no?
 
well now I don't think that's fair
them dinosaurs are a fair bit younger than that
 
what happens to the milk in nursing women's breasts after thunderstorms?
 
sbi
Nowadays, dairies are so sterile that barely any bacteria make it into the milk. (And I'm talking of real milk here, only pasteurized, not what most of you buy.) Milk usually doesn't go sour the way it used to, because the "normal" bacteria aren't even in there. Nowadays, when milk goes bad, it goes really bad. :)
@chmod711telkitty Nothing. (It isn't in there long enough.)
 
Xeo
Also, the milk doesn't smell sour. And it only tastes really slightly sour.
It is heat-treated, though.
 
sbi
@Xeo You are so badly educated, it makes my toenails curl up in disgust. (FWIW, the fall of the dinos was what allowed the rise of the mammals.)
 
Xeo
10:23 AM
I always thought that kinda milk went super-bad wenn it went sour.
@sbi Facts and jokes, Mr. Ape.
 
sbi
@Xeo To which heat, though? Pasteurization is, IIRC, 70°. That allows some stuff to survive.
 
Reminds me that I have not had yogurt or sour cream for ages ...
 
there is UHT milk which is heat-treated quite a bit higher
 
sbi
@Xeo That's odd, then. (It used to be that way when I was a child, I think.)
 
Xeo
It's Frischmilch. Not H-Milch
 
10:24 AM
that stuff lasts nearly indefinitely if I recall
but tastes like crap so who cares if it lasts forever
 
sbi
@Xeo Oh. I hadn't thought you'd buy that.
 
Xeo
Why?
Anywhoops, down the drain it goes. Not trusting it.
 
sbi
@Xeo Because very few young people even think about that kind of stuff. Or not-so-young people, FTM.
@caps WTH are you even talking about??
 
Xeo
I like the taste better. :o My mom always bought H-Milch, 1.5%. Can't go back to that after trying 3.5% Frischmilch!
 
sbi
Ah! Yeah, the same here. The other stuff is like white water.
 
Xeo
10:35 AM
Though I think I never tried untreated milk.
 
sbi
Well, once I am here, I might just as well ask you guys something about C++ that stole most of may sleep last night. :)
I use type erasure to make a map of strings to types. (Function template instances, really.) That's an old and proven technique and works well.
You get a key from a type (a string here, but that doesn't matter), look it up in the map, and call the appropriate template instance.
Now I have painted myself into a corner: In that template instance I get another string and need to arrive in a template that has both types as template parameters. Which types these are is determined at runtime. :(
 
well what you need to do is instantiate all possibilities, and then simply look them up via your favourite mechanism
 
sbi
@Puppy Yeah, I figured that. That's a lot of possibilities, though.
Sigh.
 
there's nothing else you can really do.
unless you want to build Clang as a library, compile the code at runtime, and JIT the outcome.
 
sbi
Not this weekend, thanks.
 
10:48 AM
well
you can enumerate the first and second parameter separately instead of needing to enumerate all their possible combinations.
but that's all I've got
 
sbi
> Accidentally pee on a Jaguar´s marked tree. Get chased by the jaguar for 3 weeks, might sound exciting, actually quite scary #fieldworkfailsAngela Maria Bayona
 
11:05 AM
@sbi I found that switch statements inside of function templates that are recursive are excellent at generating an astronomical amount of instantiations.
 
sbi
@StackedCrooked Yeah, they might be. But that will then be a very large map, where 99.9% of the entries are never used.
 
@Columbo The switch bridges the runtime values to compile-time constants.
 
Xeo
Templates at runtime is just no-fun.
2
 
sbi
I guess I might just have to cut out the complexity and deal with only having 80% of the functionality.
@Xeo Just like a pissed-off Jaguar. :)
 
Well, at least at my job RAM is not an issue :)
 
11:08 AM
@sbi Didnt know you could piss off a car ;)
 
Btw, a while ago I learned about subliminal messages used in marketing and stuff.
Since then my eyes have opened.
 
sbi
@StackedCrooked Actually it's even worse. This system has a runtime linker. Which means that every single template instance ends up in the binary. And that's a problem, because there's an upper limit to binary sizes. :(
 
It's so obvious now.
 
sbi
@Borgleader Not a car.
 
@sbi The real question is: is there an upper limit to your capability to fix the problem? :D
 
11:09 AM
@sbi I'll take the time to remind you that I make a lot of bad puns/jokes :)
 
@sbi I'd like to remind you that most of the time I make no sense at all..
 
dayum
I finally bought some tasty cheese
 
sbi
@StackedCrooked We were promised a brand new OS inside this year. Not sure it will have a real linker, though.
 
and it's good.
@sbi Will it come with a brand new compiler
 
@Puppy Which one?
 
sbi
11:11 AM
@Borgleader Wow! I wasn't aware that this is something people would do.
 
@Puppy GCC 3.4!!
 
sbi
@Puppy We were told that this "is on the table" for next year. No official announcement, though, so we're not holding our breath.
@StackedCrooked You laugh.
 
Xeo
@Puppy I got some goat cheese here.
Yummy.
 
No, I empathize. Not having a linker must be dreadful... LOL
 
11:13 AM
@Xeo goat cheese is awesome
 
sbi
I worked more than 50hrs this week. While having a 30hr contract.
 
Xeo
How did that go with you not doing overtime?
 
@sbi You can only blame yourself. (And that sounds like something you'd say.)
 
sbi
@StackedCrooked I recently introduced boost::exception to our code. That doubled the size of the binary, making some of our modules too big to load on some devices. There is a task scheduled for the next sprint to yank them out again.
 
@sbi However, I'm no different than you in this regard.
@sbi That seems painful.
When I started implementing TCP I figured boost msm would be a great way to implement to connection establishment procedures.
 
sbi
11:18 AM
@StackedCrooked Well, it's no accident I know I have been working 51.58hrs. It's because I write them all down – and will have time off for exactly the same amount of time. I was a bit behind recently, and now overshot and assembled 23.67hrs overtime. I will do this for another week, making myself a nice buffer to upon when the kids get back and I might have to stay home a day here or there.
 
Until it turned out that compiling any .cpp file that included the state machine header required almost a minute to compile.
 
sbi
@StackedCrooked It is. At least I could convince them to let me replace their type-erased compile-time safe map of parameters with a string-to-string map, so we can keep almost all the functionality.
@StackedCrooked I compile on eight cores. Unless I am only digging in a single cpp file, I stopped caring much for compile times.
But then, GCC is sooooo slow anyway.
 
Was their solution that bad?
 
sbi
Go back to putting strings into std::runtime_error.
 
@sbi I compile on 20 cores. (Hyper threading disabled in the bios)
 
sbi
11:20 AM
@StackedCrooked Ah, I guess our projects are much smaller then. :)
 
I have to admit it compiles faster than on my laptop though.. :)
 
Xeo
@sbi Woah, from type-safe to stringly-typed?
 
@sbi No, I just abuse a machine that is not intened to be a build server.
But it has 2x10 cores. How could I not abuse it?
 
Xeo
sounds reasonable
 
sbi
I have found, though, that lacking a debugger makes you think more, resulting in fewer compile-link-run cycles. Well, that, and having to deploy to a device every time.
 
Xeo
11:22 AM
would hold up in any court!
 
user1804599
 
The E5-2690 v2 is pretty good for compiling C++ code :D
 
sbi
@Xeo Those cow-workers have a point, though: Currently, this is only used for dumping the parameters when anything goes wrong. We could just as well singize them right when we record them.
Of course, this loses us potential. But then, the system can't take it.
 
Xeo
@sbi Ah, in that case.
 
sbi
@StackedCrooked Yes, but my current project, if I compile everything from scratch on eight cores, I wait about 3mins. Just marshalling that stuff back and forth to another machines might increase the compile times.
 
user1804599
11:25 AM
What keyword for defining algebraic data types?
 
user1804599
I thought of algebraic data type.
 
user1804599
Or union!
 
@sbi I have the svn checkout on the remote machine and have a local sshfs mount to the checkout directory. This works great as long as you don't upgrade to beyond Qt Creator 2.8 (because the later versions assume all storage is equally fast as local SSD.)
And their intellisense algorithms freeze the GUI for 40 minutes.
 
user1804599
 
sbi
Uh, The Girl has yet another name for herself. I can barely keep up.
 
11:28 AM
Hey at least we got rid of Miss Tina.
 
@elyse looks like just another ideone
 
sbi
@StackedCrooked Did we?
 
@sbi who?
 
rightfold
 
sbi
@StackedCrooked I once did more than 100hrs in one week. I even took a day off.
 
user1804599
11:29 AM
Ideone doesn't have NuGet, IL and automatic compilation.
 
@sbi For a second I thought you meant @Xeo with the girl. But apparently it's @rightfold now? :)
 
sbi
@StackedCrooked She is a girl, isn't she?
 
user1804599
Yes!
 
Does it matter?
 
11:30 AM
@sbi I have yet to confirm. But I will certainly report to you once I have.
 
sbi
@Morwenn In her case it does, because he wanted to be one so badly for years.
Other than that, you are welcome to this room whichever of the 26 sexes you are. (Or pretend to be.) Well, if you can stand the smell of extra testosterone emitted by all the young male participants, that is.
 
@Morwenn Yes. For entertainment.
 
@sbi 26? Seems that I'm not up-to-date on the topic.
 
sbi
@Morwenn Neither am I. Last I heard, some social networks offered a dozen or two options, though. I extrapolated.
FWIW, we had a certain young woman who turned out to be a man, after a while.
From France.
Looks pointedly at @Morwenn.
 
Reminds me of something.
 
sbi
11:34 AM
I though so.
 
@sbi He's still around, goes by @MaiLongdong now :)
either that or I'm misremembering
 
sbi
@Borgleader Another one who keeps changing his nick more often than I could keep up with.
 
@sbi Well. Since lrio and bartek are gone it smells like strawberries.
 
sbi
@StackedCrooked You don't even realize this, do you?
 
Maybe I've been here for too long..
 
11:40 AM
whatup all
 
sbi
Well, given the room's topic is C++, it's not surprising there's a lot of young men here, really.
 
Ell
@elyse I am wondering the same about adts
 
@sbi She disappeared from this room. But I saw she spammed Alf's facebook account a lot after that.
 
sbi
@StackedCrooked Oh, I was talking about the insect.
 
Ell
But I think I might just go with class and ctor
 
11:42 AM
Ah. That one.
 
@StackedCrooked he meant cicada
 
Ell
That is what I have at the minute. It's kinda funky
 
Cicada was annoying all the time.
 
@StackedCrooked cough
:P
 
sbi
FWIW, we've just hired a female C++ programmer. I only worked with such a specimen once, for about three months, at some other company. Well, that, and an intern, last year. (The latter was so smart, she would have replaced us all in no time, had she stayed.)
 
11:43 AM
IIRC they found out "she" was a man on a mumble session?
due to the depth of his/her voice?
lol
 
@StackedCrooked ISTR thats what hapened
 
sbi
@StackedCrooked I dunno about that, in real life he was a nice guy, though. But then, as @jalf summed up our meeting, even the @Puppy was nice from up close.
@Borgleader Yes.
Anyway, speaking of Real Life™... I'm off.
 
@sbi ttyl
 
@Borgleader GIRL- Guy In Real Life
 
Not my type of girl. Sorry.
 
11:47 AM
cicada is mailongdong right
 
yes
 
and also butterfly
 
I'm into no more than 75% hybrids.
 
so confusing
lol
I don't get why there's no check to see if an alleged copyright infringement is infringing a work that was created after the allegedly infringing work. It seems like the most common sense check you could ever do
 
user1804599
 
11:56 AM
but which one~?
 
12:07 PM
> "Android now has more than a billion monthly users, and its usage continues to grow – meanwhile, it still infringes Oracle's copyrights," the database giant moaned in its filing. "At the same time that Android has become truly ubiquitous, the Java platform has suffered greatly, in large part because Google provides Android to device manufacturers at no charge."
 
yeah that whole thing is dumb
 
Xeo
@Prismatic This whole copyright business is so stupid.
 
From what I read the courts already confirmed that copying an API is copyright infringement and that can't be appealed. Doesn't that have some pretty far reaching consequences?
> Whether Google infringed the Java copyrights is no longer at issue. The US Federal Circuit Appeals Court ruled in May 2014 that it had infringed, overturning the lower court's ruling that software APIs couldn't be copyrighted.

> What's left to determine is damages, plus the issue of whether Google's infringement was "fair use,"
 
@Prismatic "the Java platform has suffered greatly", it deserved it :P
 
They shoulda used C++!
I wonder if there's any relation between the quality of apps on a platform and the language you need to use to create it
 
12:28 PM
@Prismatic P***s are heavily patented. Don't you know that?
 
user1804599
How to make custom exception classes in JavaScript:
 
user1804599
function PreconditionViolation(name) {
    var error = new Error();
    this.name = "PreconditionViolation";
    this.stack = error.stack;
    this.message = "Precondition violation: " + name;
}
PreconditionViolation.prototype = Object.create(Error.prototype);
PreconditionViolation.prototype.constructor = PreconditionViolation;
 
user1804599
So much boilerplate. The Java programmers must love it.
 
12:45 PM
This was a big hit my country when I was 17 years old. For some reason the memories from around that age are more persistent than my current ones. I must either be getting old or music is declining. (Btw, the posted song was never considered a good song by anyone (apart from me IIRC).)
 
37 fucking degrees
 
@StackedCrooked I remember this
 
Hot!
@Prismatic nice :)
open your eyes. open your mind (and more of that bullshit :D)
 
oh hey they ruined google drive
 
They did?
 
12:48 PM
The UI changed and its way worse now. Par for the course I guess.
 
@CatPlusPlus Isn't that a perfect body temperature?
 
No
Fucking Celery stops accepting tasks and just sits there
And there's nothing in logs
Fucking bullshit
 
When I hold my chicken close to me in the cold winter, I could feel her warmth
her head especially because the warmth from the body is trapped in feathers
 
Do you raise chickens
or are they just pets
 
I have 2 pet chickens
 
12:55 PM
If I had a chicken I'd buy a go pro and strap it to its head
 
@elyse Do you know these people. You should know them because thy live in the Netherlands just like you.
 
@Prismatic I thought about that before
 
user1804599
No, I don't know any douchebags.
 
user1804599
1:03 PM
They're ugly and must die.
 
user1804599
> Your feedback about this content is important.
 
user1804599
TIL non-existing things are important.
 
1:19 PM
I am reading horror before bed again
 
@chmod711telkitty I never read before I sleep because then I don't sleep until I finish the book :P
 
I usually read until I am really tired or certain time is reached
 
1:34 PM
@sbi Up to 71 in UK, apparently.
 
We will begin failover preparations in about 30 minutes: http://stackstatus.net/post/126135656099/data-center-failover-august-8-2015
 
@Jichao 您好
 
 
1 hour later…
2:44 PM
@ʎǝɹɟɟɟǝſ Hello....
 
We are moving services over to Denver starting now - Chat is first up.
 
SO is mosving stuff around so often I feel like it's playing musical datacenter
 
Cik
:)
 
We are bringing all properties back to read/write now.
 
3:29 PM
Hi.
 
3:53 PM
.iH
 
user1804599
Jeff Atwood is a hypocrite idiot.
 
user1804599
> Never access anything but HTTPS websites.
 
user1804599
look at the URL of the fucking page
 
> The general opinion of Revenge of the Sith seems to be that it marks a distinct improvement on the last two episodes, "The Phantom Menace" and "Attack of the Clones." True, but only in the same way that dying from natural causes is preferable to crucifixion.
 
3:58 PM
I remember being pretty young when watching the phantom menace and I thought it was okay
I never watched it again though
The lightsaber stuff was cool
 
Eh too much Gungan goofyness in the first one
I think I liked the 2nd better than the 3rd
but honestly I haven't seen them in a while
 
@Prismatic Yeah, me too. Until I rewatched it via the eyes of Plinkett. Then I became a pedantic movie critics.
 
darth maul is still one of the coolest sith imo
I used to watch clone wars and he was pretty awesome in that too
 
@Prismatic clone wars the series?
and if so, which because ISTR there being two of them (one good, one not)
 
The 3d one
 
4:04 PM
ugh... imdb link? :P
 
I'm not really a star wars guy so I don't really have a lot of criticisms from that point of view
 
4:20 PM
@Prismatic thx
who has seen this?
 
I have. :(
I sat through the entire thing
And then I watched his review.
Why ten minutes of untranslated wookie?
 
"Flag me!" the post
 
Why, do you have something against black homosexuals?
wow that's offensive
 
no UR offensive
 
No, URSS is offensive
 
user1804599
4:30 PM
EUSSR
 
European United States of South Russia
 
@jaggedSpire I'm glad I never watched the actual thing, the cut up version in the review was painful enough
How about some subtitles you jerks
you would think they would have thought of that =/
 
@Borgleader The full one was torment and I have a massive threshold for awful movies
And yeah. The subtitles would have been a massive improvement. Like on a scale from 1-10 that's at least five points. Unfortunately, it would still be in the negatives, but hey.
 
4:50 PM
I wanna make a bunch of classes into class templates but throwing everything into headers feels so ugly :[
 
Xeo
> Display Name
> Use 6-12 characters
FFFFFFFFFFFFFF
I just wanna strange whoever comes up with these stupid restrictions
 
Also man I've complained about having to work on both headers and source files before but its actually pretty convenient to have a summary of info available in a header
 
@Xeo XeoXeo :D
 
xxeeoo
 
If you don't plan to type your username in frequently, you could find an obscure Unicode whitespace character and try that.
 
4:54 PM
Is there a right way to template a class on another class that has a set of methods implemented? I don't want to use inheritance and check against a base class using static_assert
 
Are you talking about CRTP?
 
We will be taking Data Exploer offline for a few minutes to move things over.
 
@Feeds Exploer Exploer Exploer Exploer Exploer Exploer Exploer Exploer Exploer Exploer Exploer Exploer
 
I think what I actually want is similar to what concepts are supposed to do
I want to impose a set of restrictions on a parameter being passed to a class template.
Ah well, I'll just document the requirements, its not like it would compile without them
 
CRTP is commonly used to impose requirements on classes.
so I guess if the parameters are classes it would work, but yeah, static_assert might do better for error clarity at least.
 
5:15 PM
@Prismatic Wait, there's a saner way to mix files than with headers only?
 
@ʎǝɹɟɟɟǝſ No, I meant that without templates, you can use headers+source files. In that case, header files just have declarations and it doubles as a compact reference for getting an overview of a class structure for example. With a large class template, methods are defined inline with their declaration typically so I just find it a bit harder to browse
Though you can split up the declaration and definition right in the header file too I guess
 
@Prismatic if you really wanted you could have two files: FooInterface.h, and Foo.h where Foo included FooInterface, and define the initial stuff in FooInterface so it's all in a single file, and implement stuff in Foo.h after including FooInterface.h, and then just include Foo.h in your client code.
 
That's true
 
The Stack Exchange Data Explorer is back online from Denver.
 
And then it's pretty much header and source files again except the handy switch-declaration-implementation view shortcuts don't work
 
user1804599
5:26 PM
> let add x y = List.fold (+) 0 (x :: [y])
 
user1804599
why'd you do that
 
@elyse the world was younger then, and you more inclined to verbose syntax.
 
@elyse Is that ocaml?
 
user1804599
No, it's F#.
 
user1804599
It may be correct OCaml though. Let me check.
 
5:37 PM
Nah, OCaml has @ for concatenation I think
 
user1804599
utop # let add x y = List.fold (+) 0 (x :: [y]);;
Error: This expression has type int -> int -> int                                                                              but an expression was expected of type 'a list
 
user1804599
@ʎǝɹɟɟɟǝſ F# does too.
 
user1804599
:: is cons, not concat.
 
Ugh I scroll down and like 1/3rd of scrolls register as scroll up
Mouse is almost ded
 
5:39 PM
same thing happened to me awhile ago, its just dirty
open it up and clean it
 
Might as well buy new one
Less effort
I doubt it opens in a way that allow it to be reassembled later
 
Youtube recommendations doesn't seem to be doing very good lately.
 
Ell
I wonder how many objects are useful after being moved out of
Or rather I wonder for how many objects require destruction after being Moved out of
 
Well, moved from objects never require destruction due to the move operation itself. The object has to remain in a valid state. Or at least that's how I've interpreted it.
 
user1804599
5:50 PM
No, they don't.
 
user1804599
The only thing you really want to have after being moved-from is destructability and assignability.
 
dear diary
today I had a fucking revelation
on how I can have a nice workflow on windows
 
It doesn't have to be in any state
 
user1804599
When my objects don't have any logical sensible state after being moved-from, I throw std::logic_error from operations other than assignment and destruction.
 
But the dtor still runs, so it needs to be in a known state if that's non-trivial
 
5:52 PM
@Ell All of them.
 
@Ell None
 
Is it opposites day?
 
no
 
yes
Did anyone here experience panick attacks by any chance? Asking for a friend.
 
user1804599
No.
 
5:54 PM
thats... out of the blue
 

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