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user1804599
9:00 AM
lol
 
MSVC is too ahead of you
 
you can even put some integer literal iirc
 
@buttifulbuttefly or a fancy unicode art symbol ☂
 
@buttifulbuttefly that would make more sense, no?
 
9:01 AM
no
 
@LucDanton They asked me if I was baptised and I said yes, but I also stated that I'm not a part of the Catholic community any more, so I don't pay anything.
 
@R.MartinhoFernandes En français‌​, although could just be some poor guy caught by the system.
 
@TonyTheLion enum class :(
 
user1804599
@Xeo Of course; allows for easier vendor lock-in.
 
user1804599
9:02 AM
It's not a bug, it's a feature!
 
@Rapptz wow 97%!
 
@LucDanton Yeah, sounds like he didn't fill the right forms or whatever.
 
@Rapptz is reset.me an authoritative source on medicine and therapies news?
 
man PHP room seems to have a troll problem
 
@MarcoA. yes
 
9:05 AM
> Outre-Rhin, le plaignant a fait valoir sa Kirchenaustritt (sortie d'église, NDLR) auprès de l'administration fiscale.
 
@R.MartinhoFernandes I did see several expats coming out of the woodwork with their own anecdotes to react to the story though, which is why it stuck with me.
 
Really sounds like he filled the wrong forms, i.e., from their POV he just lied in his declaration, since he was baptised and had never filed a Kirchenaustritt.
 
> std::cout << ks::ecs::Component<ks::gui::SceneKey,A>::index << std::endl;
all that scope resolution
who says c++ isn't beautiful
 
it's ECS, it's shit regardless of chosen language
 
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Q: How to use structures with functions?

MarkHow do I use structures with functions? Shall I pass structure with function parameters or shall I declare a structure variable in all functions to access structure members?

 
9:09 AM
@Puppy I have accepted its fallacies and ugliness
 
in other words, you're weak
 
yes, absolutely
I can't deal with architecture anymore, I'm jus wingin' it
 
he says, using a bad architecture pattern
 
I don't think there's a good single architecture for a rendering engine. I tried a bunch of stuff. Or maybe Im just a bad software architect / not creative enough etc
I kinda just want somethign that works at this point
 
@MarcoA. no
it's all wrong
 
9:13 AM
Good thing I brought balance before
 
something that works?
try just, I dunno, struct Unit { Position position; };.
 
@Rapptz "Doctoral Degree in Naturopathic Medicine" lol wtf
 
^ old programmers always seem like such magicians
 
actually I'm a bit annoyed by some stuff in jsonpp @Rapptz
 
s/a bit/a butt/
 
9:17 AM
meh
it's nothing more than "We had shitloads of time and necessity to micro-optimize, so we micro-optimized"
 
@buttifulbuttefly not constructive enough
 
Yes I'm making a sample don't be SO impatient
 
user1804599
Pythoff.
 
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python pythoff?
 
9:27 AM
moron moroff?
 
@Rapptz Just to make sure I'm not saying anything dumb, every time I call .as<> I get a deep copy of the whole subtree, right?
 
I very definitely think of you as both a moron and a moroff
;p
 
not surprising, coming from you
 
@buttifulbuttefly Yeah.
I was planning on fixing this though to return a const reference.
 
Okay then :<
That's what I wanted to say
 
9:28 AM
that way if people want copies they can be explicit about it
 
Also an issue (but that's not technically your fault) is that since json::object aliases std::map, operator[] is not const, which is quite annoying in practice
 
yeah :c
 
I thought I could live with it but my OCD says no
 
operator[]?
You could just use .at(...) instead.
 
Also cumbersome because has to be wrapped in a try/catch
Ideally there would be a operator[] const that returns json::null when the key is not found?
or something
 
9:32 AM
> In last year's Ethics Bowl competition, the team argued another provocative question related to autonomous vehicles: If they turn out to be far safer than regular cars, would the government be justified in banning human driving completely?
uh what.
 
@buttifulbuttefly How do you distinguish that from { x : null }?
 
@R.MartinhoFernandes Yeah, that's problematic also (but it's currently how it works)
 
user1804599
@buttifulbuttefly exception or gtfo
 
@BartekBanachewicz it makes sense for human-driven cars to be not allowed on classic roads
 
9:33 AM
@rightfold meh.
 
@buttifulbuttefly surely return 'json::no_value', as 'null' is a valid value in json
 
@BartekBanachewicz I don't get how that's a provocative question :/
 
@FlorianMargaine what about motorbikes?
would you also ban them?
 
user1804599
But since that's inconsistent with non-const operator[], don't add a const operator[].
 
9:34 AM
because there's little possibility of making an autonomous motorcycle
 
@BartekBanachewicz The answer to this is completely clear: "yes".
 
user1804599
Use at. at is nice.
 
if, after self-driving cars, they're the sole source of accidents (as in, 99% of accidents because of them), then yes
 
that would effectively mean you could only drive motorcycles on a race track
 
@rightfold I'd much prefer some kind of null-coalescence
 
user1804599
9:35 AM
@BartekBanachewicz why?
 
oh no?
 
@BartekBanachewicz And...? You need to convince me motorcycles are a necessity on the road.
 
are cars a necessity at all?
Why don't we ban them outright and only run buses then?
 
user1804599
No.
 
user1804599
wheelchairs would do just fine
 
9:36 AM
@BartekBanachewicz Because they can be autonomously driven, and therefore safe.
 
@Puppy that's just your opinion.
 
@BartekBanachewicz because you don't get where you want with buses
 
there is no rational motivation for permitting human driving if autonomous driving is safer.
 
and they stop everywhere
 
@R.MartinhoFernandes they have been on the roads since like a century already. And they aren't autonomously driven
 
9:36 AM
@BartekBanachewicz There's no reason to ban them. There's reason to ban motorcycles: they're human-driven.
 
user1804599
@BartekBanachewicz bus <: car!
 
@BartekBanachewicz You're arguing the wrong point again.
Which is ridiculous, because ffs, you were the one introducing it.
> If [autonomous vehicles] turn out to be far safer than regular cars, would the government be justified in banning human driving completely?
 
@BartekBanachewicz What has that got to do with anything?
 
No one is arguing for banning cars now.
 
well, for one, most of the motorcycle accidents are caused by car drivers
 
9:37 AM
cough
 
switching to autonomously driven cars would make motorcycles much safer
 
@BartekBanachewicz Still completely irrelevant.
 
lol, Bartek
 
@BartekBanachewicz Unproven.
@BartekBanachewicz Citation needed.
 
@BartekBanachewicz Switching to autonomously driven cars would make motorcyclists much safer than if only the car-drivers did it.
 
9:38 AM
@R.MartinhoFernandes hard to prove to be honest.
 
@BartekBanachewicz Well, glad you brought it up.
Gee, and you wonder why people can't have a rational discussion with you.
 
you're free to dismiss it
 
@BartekBanachewicz as a car driver, my experience is that motorcyclists do dangerous things all the time.
 
@R.MartinhoFernandes I don't know why you try?
some things are just pointless
 
9:39 AM
@TonyTheLion hey tony, I'd like you to introduce you to this concept of not being an asshat
3
 
@BartekBanachewicz I will dismiss it, not because it's not backed up, but because it's merely irrelevant. The current state of affairs has no bearing on our hypothetical scenario.
 
user1804599
I wish the star were gray, for _iron_y.
 
@Puppy I don't understand that sentence
@R.MartinhoFernandes ok
 
@BartekBanachewicz Starbait taken
 
9:41 AM
what I'm saying is that if autonomous cars come in, there's little motivation to have motorcycles at all, autonomous or not.
 
well, there's the "pleasure to drive"
 
fuck it
not worth a single accident
 
there's a lot of reasons why people choose motorcycles over cars
 
@FlorianMargaine Go to a track.
 
9:41 AM
is it because they're stupid?
 
worth some accidents
 
because I can totally see that.
 
@Puppy sigh
 
@BartekBanachewicz most reasons are: avoid jams, pleasure to drive.
 
@Puppy I drive mainly because its easier to get places
 
9:42 AM
@TonyTheLion A motorcycle?
 
@FlorianMargaine And don't tell me there are no tracks. They are a natural consequence in this scenario.
 
@Puppy I think a car protects me more than a motorcycle does, in case of an accident
 
> You should learn his secret sauce, Node.js. With Node.js you can get a job no time and claim yourself highly skilled. Immediately put Node.js in your linkedin skill set and open up opportunities of your life time. Node.js is now free to try limited time only.
 
well, that's become a last-century concern with autonomous cars
 
lol
 
9:43 AM
@R.MartinhoFernandes they use less fuel and don't need as much space on the roads
 
user1804599
Motorcycles are typically cheaper than cars.
 
just hop in your autonomous car and safety guaranteed
 
user1804599
And therefore a solution for the poor.
 
@rightfold people are weird
 
@rightfold Here's the other half of that solution: Their horribly mangled bodies after they hit a car.
 
9:43 AM
@sehe you said it.
 
not worth a few quid in petrol
 
@Puppy to you, maybe.
 
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@Puppy Who says they hit cars?
 
@MarcoA. BRILLANT
 
@BartekBanachewicz Autonomous cars can also solve this.
 
9:44 AM
oh, also, bikes are typically faster.
 
user1804599
I know a lot of motorcyclists who never hit cars.
 
Individual cars become a lot more feasible because the passenger doesn't have to be a driver.
 
@BartekBanachewicz If people have an urgent need to commit suicide, they can do so in a much cheaper way that does not disrupt critical public infrastructure.
 
@R.MartinhoFernandes doesn't that amount to even more cars on the road?
 
It's also more feasible to have run car sharing services with autonomous cars.
 
9:45 AM
@Puppy The issue with you is that you equate riding on a motorcycle with a suicide, and that's just unfair. No one rides a bike to die.
 
@BartekBanachewicz Doesn't matter; autonomous cars can drive a lot faster and more efficiently, especially in numbers, than human drivers.
 
@BartekBanachewicz No. Just smaller ones. (i.e. no 5-seaters with only the driver)
 
They're still bigger than motorbikes.
 
but much safer.
 
Unless you mean things like modern trike scooters
 
9:45 AM
did you know that most accidents involve roads, and thus drivers are never at fault!
 
@BartekBanachewicz Compared with not having to drive autonomous cars, that pretty much is exactly what they would be doing.
 
@thecoshman lol
 
¬_¬ fucking moron. I'm not going to even bother.
 
@BartekBanachewicz marginally. Please don't try to pack up as many motorcycles as you need to make the difference relevant. It's a ridiculous proposition.
 
@Puppy No, it's not at all. You're either ignoring or not seeing a huge part of the picture.
 
user1804599
9:46 AM
Don't fuck morons.
 
Don't stick your dick in crazy
 
user1804599
They may get pregnant and produce more morons.
 
@BartekBanachewicz Well, I am ignoring it because I simply don't care.
 
@BartekBanachewicz No, I obviously mean whatever is most inefficient.
 
9:46 AM
@Puppy then I think you should leave the discussion.
 
the pleasure of a few random citizens isn't worth the risk they would introduce for themselves and others.
@BartekBanachewicz no u
 
plonk vOv
 
user1804599
One's own risk is one's own business.
 
@BartekBanachewicz Which part?
 
This is all very entertaining
 
9:47 AM
@buttifulbuttefly yea
 
hi tonee
 
@Puppy You can enjoy driving on a track.
 
@R.MartinhoFernandes The part where "yay motorbikes" justifies their own death and the death of other people involved and also all of the disruption and damage it would cause.
 
@buttifulbuttefly hi
 
@R.MartinhoFernandes You could do, but I simply don't care whether or not that's true, as it has no bearing on the tradeoff at hand.
 
9:48 AM
@Puppy lolwut
 
@R.MartinhoFernandes How about "all of the reasons that make people drive motorbikes" which aren't as nonsensical as "they want to kill themselves"
 
@Puppy just a little hyperbole, sure why not. Say, did you remember to put on your neck brace when you woke up this morning, because not doing so is tantamount to attempted suicide, just on the off chance you fall.
 
these electric cars are in my city ^^^^^
it's very nice
 
@Puppy You just assumed it is not true.
 
@Puppy It's a natural consequence of introducing autonomous cars and banning human drivers on the road.
@BartekBanachewicz Which are...?
 
9:48 AM
@Griwes No, I simply don't care whether or not it's true, as I would ban all human-driven vehicles from public roads regardless of whether people can get their drive on on private tracks.
 
user1804599
Would you ban pedestrians?
 
@R.MartinhoFernandes are you asking for real now? It's not that hard to understand. They're cheaper, have better fuel efficiency, they don't get stuck in traffic, they're great to ride, they're much easier to park and you don't have to pay for parking...
 
Xeo
grrrr
 
@BartekBanachewicz Yes, and all of those problems can be solved by autonomous vehicles.
 
Xeo
9:50 AM
UE4 disables RTTI unconditionally when compiling for Linux.
 
@FlorianMargaine There's a massive amounts of Teslas here! I've seen at least 5.
 
user1804599
autonomous motorcycle problem solved
 
I hate people who do that- looking at you LLVM.
 
@buttifulbuttefly that's like half of them!
 
9:50 AM
@R.MartinhoFernandes no. An autonomous car still has a lot of weight that protects the driver which makes it less efficient, it still takes parking spaces, and will probably cost much more.
 
@FlorianMargaine Definitely not as classy :p
 
@buttifulbuttefly sure isn't. But it's very practical
 
also a maintenance of such a car would need to be top-notch, and you'd need to replace them probably much sooner
which means extraorbitant maintenance cost
 
for most people living in the city who mostly need the car for groceries, it's a great solution imho
 
@BartekBanachewicz There is no driver.
@BartekBanachewicz Everything takes parking spaces.
 
9:51 AM
@FlorianMargaine lol, they look like shit.
 
@R.MartinhoFernandes people inside, irrelevant.
 
6 mins ago, by R. Martinho Fernandes
It's also more feasible to have run car sharing services with autonomous cars.
@BartekBanachewicz Not irrelevant.
 
@Puppy That is moronic.
 
@BartekBanachewicz ¬_¬ what... where do you even get this horse shit from?
 
user1804599
why are you arguing about robots with a robot
 
user1804599
9:52 AM
he's obviously biased
 
@R.MartinhoFernandes do you mean that the autonomous car could have less protection?
 
@Griwes What is?
@BartekBanachewicz They are safer. It's the underlying assumption in the scenario you posited.
 
err
 
@BartekBanachewicz You seem to be ignoring it, though.
 
@R.MartinhoFernandes Okay, but that's still more than 0.
 
9:53 AM
@R.MartinhoFernandes Sorry, misplaced the reference.
 
user1804599
robots are evil
 
@R.MartinhoFernandes No, I don't.
 
@BartekBanachewicz w.r.t. price, this is very much relevant imho:
1 min ago, by R. Martinho Fernandes
6 mins ago, by R. Martinho Fernandes
It's also more feasible to have run car sharing services with autonomous cars.
 
You're not extrapolating the future from some basic assumption.
 
There's also the undeniable fact that if you got rid of humans from roads, self driving cars would be a trivial problem to solve.
 
9:53 AM
One thing you have to understand here is that I think self-driving cars are a great idea
 
most people take the car to go to work, then go back home
 
user1804599
Non-autonomous cars are also a solution to people who have driving addictions.
 
You're just assuming the current state of affairs with a minor change.
 
@R.MartinhoFernandes bikes take much less. Most notably, they can use pavements more easily
 
your car is useless during all the time you're at work or at home
 
9:54 AM
@BartekBanachewicz You're still ignoring all the changes autonomous cars bring about.
 
@rightfold ...because the walls and trees get them first?
 
okay, let's talk those changes
 
it could just go away, hence not taking any parking space.
 
you proposed car sharing
 
It's a revolution.
 
9:54 AM
@Griwes Why? There's no advantage whatsoever to permitting human-driven vehicles. It's all risk with no reward.
 
that implies sharing the car with some other person; a lot of people wouldn't want that
 
It's not like a change from carburetors to fuel injection.
@BartekBanachewicz Citation needed.
A lot of people wouldn't care.
 
yeah, and revolution have this funny tendency to backfire.
 
@Puppy ...
 
Most people use cars because they're convenient to travel.
 
9:55 AM
@BartekBanachewicz lol
 
No advantage whatsoever you can see.
 
@BartekBanachewicz you seem to ignore a point: car sharing service would be a lot cheaper than owning a car
 
@BartekBanachewicz I..
 
@BartekBanachewicz I agree with you that this is an unlikely thing to change. Humanity would have to have faith in each other, that they are not going to have a car pull literally covered in shit.
 
so most people would use it
 
9:55 AM
I'm out, since @Puppy is starting to be a @Bartek here.
 
@Griwes None has been brought up so far.
 
@BartekBanachewicz What can backfire from this?
 
@R.MartinhoFernandes They also give you a freedom to travel and save you from waiting.
 
@Puppy They have.
 
@FlorianMargaine so are buses.
 
9:55 AM
@Puppy ... on public roads, or 'ever at all'?
 
@R.MartinhoFernandes lol
 
@BartekBanachewicz Seriously, do you have any idea how many cars are parked in relation to total at any given point in time?
 
@BartekBanachewicz buses have a fixed ride
 
user1804599
buses typically don't bring you to places that aren't normally bus stops.
 
@thecoshman If people want to kill themselves on private tracks (and pay for their own healthcare if they crash to boot) then that's their problem.
 
9:56 AM
@R.MartinhoFernandes a vast majority of them
 
@Griwes I have not seen any.
 
@FlorianMargaine it would also suck
 
This thread is wheely boring.
 
@BartekBanachewicz Explain this problem with waiting, then.
 
you know, we also have a thing called taxis.
 
9:56 AM
@Puppy Which is exactly why I said you are another @Bartek here.
 
user1804599
@MartinJames dat pun
 
@BartekBanachewicz you still interviewing?
 
Which is exactly why I'm out.
 
@Puppy right right, so you at least acknowledge there is a recreational side to driving.
 
@Prismatic yes
 
9:56 AM
@Prismatic I didn't start it:)
 
A discussion doesn't need two Barteks.
 
@BartekBanachewicz it's crazy expensive
 
@BartekBanachewicz Does that explain your problem with waiting?
 
user1804599
taxi is incredibly expensive
 
9:57 AM
@thecoshman There could be; it's just completely meaningless and utterly irrelevant compared to the dangers of driving.
 
@MartinJames it's also on autopilot, locked in driving to shitvile
 
You arguments are exhausted.
 
@Puppy with in the context of public roads, yes.
 
@Griwes Which?
 
user1804599
 
9:57 AM
@R.MartinhoFernandes I think that taxis are the closest we have to self-driving cars shared as you propose atm. And while a lot of people drive taxis, there's still a lot that doesn't want to.
 
user1804599
this is awesome
 
@rightfold cheap af in HK
 
@FlorianMargaine You seem to assume renting self-driving cars wouldn't be. /cc @R.M
 
user1804599
Hacker Knews
 
@BartekBanachewicz Er. Taxis are expensive.
 
9:58 AM
@thecoshman Well, on private roads, if you pay for your own healthcare afterwards, then I wouldn't care.
 
4 mins ago, by R. Martinho Fernandes
You're just assuming the current state of affairs with a minor change.
 
OTOH you're making up what can happen in the future as we go
 
@BartekBanachewicz Of course not. Car sharing is cheap already.
 
that's not extrapolating
 
@BartekBanachewicz No, I'm not. I'm just assuming autonomous cars are safer.
 
9:59 AM
that's saying "the future will look like that because it fits my point"
 
Safer makes them 1) more efficient and 2) less costly to maintain.
 
user1804599
@Prismatic I just come in and say "Hi! I'm rightfold and I'm going to work here."
 
Both of those make running a fleet cheaper.
 
8 mins ago, by Bartek Banachewicz
also a maintenance of such a car would need to be top-notch, and you'd need to replace them probably much sooner
 

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