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11:00 AM
@BartekBanachewicz Because that's not what "safety vs freedom" usually means. Usually the safety and the freedom apply to the same entity.
 
lunch time fuckers! go eat and get rid of your stroppy side!
 
user1804599
I want to encrypt a small amount of data (about 100 bytes).
 
@BartekBanachewicz I laughed because you meant it as "others' safety vs your freedom".
 
user1804599
I don't think I can use RSA for that.
 
Why not?
 
user1804599
11:01 AM
Oh wait, it has a max length not a min length.
 
user1804599
> The message must be no longer than the length of the public modulus less twice the hash length plus 2.
 
user1804599
this sentence is so confusing
 
Anyway, if you guys are right in your predictions, I better hurry up doing things I want to do in my life.
 
user1804599
why "less" instead of "minus" :v
 
@BartekBanachewicz Also, that doesn't say whether it's unjustifiable (actually the opposite! It implies that there's a choice to be made, so both could be justified, perhaps).
 
11:02 AM
Because in 10 years the most trivial, commonly accepted things will be illegal because "safety".
 
@Griwes You'll die today at 5pm so you better hurry a lot
 
Great job killing the natural selection btw.
Humans are doomed :F
 
the problem I see with automated vehicles is, what if there's a bug? Is it sensible to force people to entirely give up control over the vehicle that's carrying them and put their life in the hands of a possibly mis-programmed automaton? While I do see the potentials of auto-controlled vehicles, I don't think forcing them on everyone is morally correct. This said, if given a choice, I might decide to use one
 
@R.MartinhoFernandes perhaps. In the US you can build a plane in your garage, and as long as its under some weight, you can fly it freely; not so in the EU. Similar situation, really.
 
@AndyProwl Population control.
 
11:03 AM
it's certainly not a binary choice
 
@buttifulbuttefly lol
 
@BartekBanachewicz I dunno. I think it's not justifiable to cut people's hands off as punishment. Doesn't change that it happens.
 
and I think that motorbikes would be really quite safe if all of the cars were self-driving
 
@BartekBanachewicz So there's a choice, so it's justifiable.
 
@rightfold No wonder we have buffer overflows all the time
 
11:04 AM
butter overflows
 
I mean, people die on regular bikes with pedals
they also drive into humans and kill them
should we ban human-powered bikes too? @R.m
I guess there's a choice here too.
 
@AndyProwl Why is it that you trust e.g. the mechanical engineers to have done their job, so that you don’t expect the vehicle to fall apart at high speeds; but that you don’t trust the software people? (Other than experience of course.)
 
@BartekBanachewicz Outside of parks? I'd be up for it.
(Nice appeal to emotion, btw)
 
user1804599
> Usually RSA is used to encrypt a symmetric key that is then used to encrypt the data.
 
user1804599
Amazing.
 
11:06 AM
@R.MartinhoFernandes we're the human factor.
we're people. We're humans. We want to do things even if they aren't always perfectly safe or sensible.
 
@BartekBanachewicz When I'm going to work, I can do without my bike.
When I want to enjoy cycling, I do it outside of the road.
 
don't you travel on the roads on your long-distance rides?
 
@BartekBanachewicz let's see what you think when your kid will be dead because he was in a self driving car and an asshat in bike provoked an accident
 
1 min ago, by R. Martinho Fernandes
(Nice appeal to emotion, btw)
 
@BartekBanachewicz Only for the few stretches where there's no other choice.
 
11:07 AM
whistles
 
Ell
@AndyProwl I don't think forcing anything is morally correct
 
@BartekBanachewicz I plan my rides to avoid spending much time on the road.
Can't avoid it all, and I hate it when I have to leave a bike path for the road.
 
Ell
@R.MartinhoFernandes so then you just move the bikes from the roads to the parks?
 
@R.MartinhoFernandes If you made dedicated (can be narrow, and with turns, even better!) ways for motorbikes, I'd be happy.
I mean, not race tracks. Tour tracks.
 
@LucDanton I could answer that (TL;DR: I think software is way more fragile), but I feel the main point is forcing to give up control entirely vs allowing to give up some control
 
11:09 AM
@LucDanton I'd say that the mechanical behavior of the vehicle doesn't change in stress situations (it's always under stress), whereas a computer is very hard to test for these
 
@Ell Assuming a suitable replacement (like cheap and readily available rental singlecars)
@BartekBanachewicz That's what I meant with tracks. (I never said "race")
 
@R.MartinhoFernandes I think it's a great idea
but it would be pretty costly.
 
@Ell Well, some (many) things have to be forced in order for a society to work. But forcing people to entirely give up control (with their life potentially being at stake) when driving their own vehicle is likely an exaggeration.
 
I think software is more fragile too, but that's more of an opinion
 
@BartekBanachewicz It can probably be made into a business (I'm assuming enough demand; otherwise you're not important enough to worry).
 
Ell
11:11 AM
@AndyProwl I disagree with the former statement, but let's not get into it :P
 
@R.MartinhoFernandes yeah, but still... you've mentioned Autobahn recently. You know how expensive roads are.
 
Ell
I also am not in favour of totally banning self driving cars btw
 
@Ell Wait, how would a society work without laws?
 
Ell
You can still have laws
 
@BartekBanachewicz Er, that's an example of a model we already have that already works: people pay to use nice roads, they get nice roads.
 
11:11 AM
ah shit I gtg
later :)
 
@R.MartinhoFernandes motorcyclists also pay for those roads
 
I wouldn't mind paying to use some of the paths I used in the Czech Republic if that meant they weren't absolute life-threatening crap.
 
If you are going to automate transport, would it no make more sense to start with commercial transport, trucks and vans, say? ATM, they are often inefficiently used because their human drivers need to take mandated rest breaks and sleep.
 
@AndyProwl I see. What’s your take on e.g. automated people movers, underground carriages and the like? Those are things we have right now where the passengers choose to give up all control to a machine, with limited human oversight.
 
Ell
how do I find those west asian undertones music?
 
11:13 AM
@Ell See, this is what I don't like. That was not the question. Why do people shift to what they think should be done, when the question was merely "is this a justifiable option?"
 
Ell
@R.MartinhoFernandes I'm not sure what you mean. When I say "I'm not in favour", I mean "I don't believe it is a justifiable option"
hmm
@R.MartinhoFernandes I think maybe they prefer that to the original question?
I will change my statement to "No."
 
@LucDanton Automated people mowers!
 
@AndyProwl Meh, people are willing to be driven around by drunk people.
 
Ell
@R.MartinhoFernandes usually drunk themselves, mind
 
@buttifulbuttefly It’s nice seeing you combine ideas like that.
 
11:17 AM
@Ell Wow. I am usually not that radical. There are ideas I don't like, but don't consider completely unjustifiable. (Like the idea of allowing people to ride cars after the rise of self-driven cars, for instance)
 
Ell
Wait. I might have read the question the wrong way round
let me check
 
YALL STILL TALKING ABOUT ROBOT CARS GOD DAMN
 
Ell
Okay I can't find the question >.<
 
@Prismatic I tried to change the thread to robot trucks, but the bikes got in the way.
 
Ell
My opinion is still that it is not justifiable to ban self driving cars outright, I wasn't sure to what degree the question suggested
 
11:21 AM
2 hours ago, by R. Martinho Fernandes
> If [autonomous vehicles] turn out to be far safer than regular cars, would the government be justified in banning human driving completely?
Unless of course it would mean that humans could in fact drive, but just for a portion of the way :)
 
Ell
@LucDanton Hmm. I recall seeing a differently worded question o.O
which didn't specify "completely"
 
@Ell I remember noticing a couple of 'completely' and maybe 'at all', so that’s what I put in the search field.
 
I want pictures of planets and stuff
didnt we send a bunch of probes to go spy on planets awhile ago
 
@Prismatic sssh, not so loud
Loose lips sink spaceships!
 
@BartekBanachewicz So they're already predisposed to buy in :D
 
@R.MartinhoFernandes beh, the first step would be to allow motorcyclists to go on bus lanes
cars can't get on bus lanes
 
@BartekBanachewicz When I went to Denmark it was actually around 90% not the road.
The Czech Republic is bollocks, though.
@BartekBanachewicz Just don't fucking mix them with cyclists like in Amsterdam.
 
We go to Czech republic for bike trails, not bike roads :P
@R.MartinhoFernandes nah in amsterdam those are some small-ish things that go like 25kph
 
Whatever happened to those shiny spots on Ceres
 
@BartekBanachewicz Have you been there?
 
11:28 AM
well, no.
 
It's not that.
 
but I know that they allow some motorized vehicles on bike lanes
 
Maybe de jure, but not in practice.
 
and some bigger scooters on some bike lanes
@R.MartinhoFernandes that's dumb
 
It's horrible. They take up all the space, and they go twice as fast.
 
11:29 AM
I mean, uh, even my bike is big enough to be a serious danger to a cyclist
I wouldn't ever go on a bike lane
a dedicated twisted motorcycle paths would be cool
 
The Economist on mass shootings in America. Brutal. http://www.economist.com/blogs/democracyinamerica/2015/06/charleston-massacre?fsrc=scn/fb/wl/bl/st/thelatestamericanmasskilling http://t.co/jL4Up2wqpz
 
OTOH mountain roads aren't as frequented by cars anyway
 
Ven
hey lounge \o
 
@BartekBanachewicz they would be cool if you were so rich
 
user1804599
Uryyb, Ira!
 
11:32 AM
also it's raining here
and incidentally I came by motorbike today
 
@rightfold Fbeel, qvqa'g ernyvmr vg jnfa'g sbe zr /pp @Ira
 
hopefully it will stop soon
 
@BartekBanachewicz Yeah, the problem is that the ones that are careful enough to consider the dangers are not going to go on them; only the reckless ones.
 
Ven
@sehe heh.
@sehe fail ;)
 
user1804599
I want to send a lot of UDP packets with encrypted payloads.
 
11:34 AM
@Ven Double win, you mean
 
user1804599
I don't know how!
 
@rightfold Permission granted.
 
Ven
learn!
 
Keep a low altitude
 
Ell
What is wrong with cycling on bike lanes?
 
11:34 AM
@R.MartinhoFernandes unfortunately road-wide ban would likely hurt mostly the careful ones. If the guns are illegal only outlaws have them all over again
 
@Ell What's wrong withyou?
 
6 mins ago, by R. Martinho Fernandes
@BartekBanachewicz Just don't fucking mix them with cyclists like in Amsterdam.
 
Ell
Oh motorbike lanes?
 
user1804599
Ben, can you provide a reference to back up this statement? — JoeTaxpayer ♦ 2 days ago
 
Yeah, dat word overloading
 
user1804599
11:36 AM
@Ven how to cryptography
 
I always laugh when I hear "biker gangs"
because I imagine them riding bicycles
 
Well, now I will too.
 
user1804599
Bikeshed Dev-C++
 
@sehe "WE DO not yet know why a gunman entered a church in Charleston, South Carolina on Wednesday and killed nine people at a prayer meeting, but in a sense it does not matter." cough he was a racist
 
user1804599
The Forest And The Racist.
 
11:41 AM
crazy things goin on in America
maybe they just stop selling guns to everyone?
 
Jesus Christ you could say that!
 
Ell
@JesusChrist the problem is in the people
there needs to be societal change
or social change. or something.
 
@JesusChrist but but second amendment rights
 
Finding the real WTF was easier than expected this time
 
Here, in Ukraine, you require a permission from militia, and you also pass a psychiatric expertise.
 
11:43 AM
In exchange Ukraine can now draft you straight from the streets of Kiev
 
@Ell I don't think problem is in people, generally. Is that was a problem of the people when gunman came into a church and shot them down? I don't think so.
 
> was
?
 
user1804599
Don't shoot people Jesus Christ.
 
Ell
@JesusChrist yes?
 
@rightfold I don't. I'm not crazy. Why should I shot random people without a serious reason?
 
Ell
11:44 AM
the gunman
 
@Ell My argument is simple.
 
@JesusChrist now about that user name. What's the deal with that?
 
the gundam
 
Ell
he is called a gunman because he is a person
 
@sehe Sorry, I guess I meant is.
 
Ell
11:45 AM
and said person was the problem
 
user1804599
@sehe It's the savior. He'll rescue us from C++.
 
Don't sell weapons to psychically unstable, crazy, sick people.
 
@rightfold I'll wait for a bit then
 
@JesusChrist the gun was a gift from hisfather, and we don't known if he had a mental condition
 
@sehe what the deal with that?
 
11:46 AM
suprisingly, you can be sane and still commit mass murder
 
@TheForestAndTheTrees but why should I do that?
 
@JesusChrist You tell me. You chose it
 
user1804599
The Forest And /r/trees
 
@TheForestAndTheTrees Maybe a person, who is given a gun, should pass at least some medical expertise and psychological tests?
 
E.g. political expediency. (I do not condone politics.)
 
user1804599
11:48 AM
oh shit a mod joined I better delete that
 
user1804599
hi @BoltClock :D
 
:D I missed it
 
@JesusChrist I agree, but it wouldn't have stopped this particular case.
 
we should only allow self-shooting guns
 
We should make selfie sticks that kill incapacitate their target
 
11:51 AM
'ESET NOD32 Antivirus doesn't allow me to open stackoverflow.com/questions/tagged/php';. How sad..
 
@MartinJames Which one of you guys rigged the malware definitions
 
Nobody did. They fixed the bug, is all
No more false negatives
 
user1804599
I want sex.
 
11:54 AM
Youtube with all the fucking ads man wtf
 
(but she could have been playing russian selfie roulette for all we know)
 
Havent they heard of the concept of less Is more?
 
Less sex is more?
 
user1804599
> You cannot counterflag your own message
You can perform this action again in 1 seconds
You cannot counterflag your own message
You can perform this action again in 1 seconds
You cannot counterflag your own message
 
user1804599
No, I cannot!
 
11:54 AM
Who the hell flagged that, btw
 
Theres an ad on every video now
 
@rightfold In fact, you can
 
Even the ones with 300 views
 
I'm sure they meant to click the star and just misclicked
 
user1804599
:'(
 
11:55 AM
@BoltClock Selfish selfie. Could not even do a proper job of offing herself and now taking up critical care resources:(
 
I think Nican's avatar is cool but he has never talked on this toom
 
@BoltClock May I have a blue name?
 
It's not unreasonable for and androgenous rightfold to wish for some sexual identity.
 
Sorry androgenous rightfold brah
 
Also, good morning everyone!
 
11:57 AM
Hi nooble
 
user1804599
 
user1804599
This turns me on for some reason.
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@Nooble It's afternoon here, and not all that good.
 
user1804599
lol
 
@MartinJames Mediocre afternoon, Martin.
 
11:58 AM
Who here wants to be friends with rightfold? It's pretty clear someone is jealous of her good looks
 
getting turned on is not offensive, to the flaggot
 
@Nooble Miserable Martin morning.
 
Well, in fact apparently it is, to the flaggot
 
user1804599
@sehe me! me! me!
 
Is rightfold a guy or a girl??????
 
11:59 AM
Yes
 
@DonLarynx hermaphrodite
 
Feck u sehi
2
 
@DonLarynx Aparrently, he/she does not yet know.
 
Maybe rightfold is a robot.
 
@DonLarynx Lobster.
 
11:59 AM
trololol
 
I will accept that alternative.
 
@DonLarynx a gurl
 
@milleniumbug Lol
 
rightfold is literally zoidberg
 
s/really/literally/
 
12:00 PM
Honestly....
 
@DonLarynx You'll get into hot water over that.
 
who is starring shitty things?
 
Hey! Thats rude!
- captain obvious
 
I like captain obvious
better than captain cryptic
 
are people still being stupid?
 
@rightfold for fuck sake, what's Jesus up to now?
 
> Mark InfoSystems is an ISO 9001: 2008 Certified Web Development Company with offices in US, Australia and India.
 
@TonyTheLion we need some way of tracking who's who
 
WOW
 
12:06 PM
also this Bioethics Bowl thing sounds fun
 
@thecoshman It's a big, heavy book, not easily lost.
 
@BartekBanachewicz sounds like a metal band :\
 
@thecoshman I think the second part of the sentence contains an elision; I read that as "Don't shoot people, [shoot] Jesus Christ"
 
Rightfold is Jesus.
 
@sehe ah
¬_¬ can't we just ban all image one boxing?
 
12:08 PM
Never.
 
@DonLarynx "toon"? unimportant, "room"? - you just fail || "toom"? - you suck donkey cock
 
user1804599
lol
 
Intentional typo was intentional
 
@thecoshman Yes. Opera, [I], done
 
user1804599
Giants require a light level greater than 11 and less than 8 in order to spawn.
 
user1804599
12:09 PM
Hence they never spawn.
 
@BartekBanachewicz Roads are a lot easier to police though.
 
@sehe it's funny how I am the one with a reputation for bad English.
@R.MartinhoFernandes something about not engaging vOv
@rightfold everything is a zombie vOv
 
@thecoshman I don't think it's silly.
@rightfold Whatcha playing?
 
@R.MartinhoFernandes I presume Minecraft, how else do you explain fundamentally flawed logic?
 
Minecraft.
Giant Zombie can't be spawned unless you use /summon.
 
12:13 PM
This is interesting.
 
I find it rather pleasing that my snake tattoo is peeling skin :)
@R.MartinhoFernandes I like how towards 1990 there was like this movement "if we kill lots of people using guns... it will look like the gun ban makes things worse!"
 
I want to play factorio but I'm at work
4
 
wtf I should stop digging up old news
I suck occasionally ...
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Ugh, just reading Daily Mail headline summaries is painful.
 
@thecoshman reputation is earned
 
12:16 PM
@Mr.kbok I'm playing it right now
With DyTech mods
 
@sehe No, it is sockpuppeted
 
I am asking for a code review for like a week
 
@sehe but I didn't even try :\
 
And the team manager asks me when my code will be ready
Awkward moment...
 
> It's not uncommon to see people in India peeing on the walls of a public toilet.
 
12:17 PM
@chmod711telkitty That's just a stick shaped rock
 
@BoltClock not that reputation (we're not talking about imaginary internet points here)
 
user1804599
@R.MartinhoFernandes Minecraft.
 
lol racism, you strike again
 
@BartekBanachewicz ... not really racist imo, it's an observation...
@rightfold that's not a castle!
 
12:18 PM
that's a silo :p
 
@BartekBanachewicz That is not racist :/
 
user1804599
> making
 
and I should get map thing for my server to
 
@BartekBanachewicz India has real problems with public defecation and stuff like that.
 
@R.MartinhoFernandes no, what's racist is an immediate thought popping in my head that those "people" are fucking subhumans
 
12:20 PM
@BartekBanachewicz vOv I don't think "people who piss on walls of bathrooms" count as a race...
 
user1804599
here's the script I use:
 
user1804599
tmux send $'save-all\n'
tmux send $'tellraw @a {"text": "Landkaart genereren...", "color": "dark_aqua"}\n'
sleep 2
mapcrafter -c render.conf -j 2
tmux send $'tellraw @a {"text": "Landkaart gegenereerd!", "color": "dark_aqua"}\n'
 
@rightfold also, dat coal :P
 
user1804599
:p
 
I should play more MC
god damn paying for server space :|
 
user1804599
12:21 PM
I have a server!
 
Ell
Landkaart = landmap?
 
maybe a glorious sheep-fall wool farm thing
 
@rightfold *sewer
 
@rightfold so do I vOv
 
Ell
Or terrain map?
 
user1804599
12:22 PM
@Ell just "map"
 
Ell
Oh right
 
ah balls
I just jettisoned all of my solar panels along with my last engine.
now I can't maneuver my command pod.
 
I can't enjoy KSP any more. Career is too slow and tedious, and I'm not patient enough to learn how to handle all the toys in sandbox.
 
the new atmospheric model added a lot.
 
sure it change things up
 
12:26 PM
like actually having to plan re-entry and rocket stability
 
but it's the same fundamental problem for me, I just can't be arsed :|
 
well ksp is a thinking man's game
 
how about an abandoned space shuttle hangar?
 
and I tend to give up with a save once one guy dies, it fooks me off too much when some stupid mistake wastes the last hour or so of game play. Like if I press space once to many times
 
how about I get drunk?
 
12:28 PM
that's what quicksave is for ;p
 
this is p amazing really
I wish I could go there
they should make a museum out of it
the things basically just rot there :/
 
@Puppy yeah... maybe I should learn to use those
instead I just rage quite
 
admittedly KSP is really bad at autosaving or anything
 
@Puppy vOv not much can excuse "just press that button to save 'now'" (and then failing to use it)
 
f5
 
12:31 PM
I guess that's why I like MC, the very idea of save states is silly
things can't go wrong like that
 
mmm
turns out I'll have to go back home in the rain
 
also
did I mention my city looks nice
 
I spend a whole good hour calculating the total amount of gyprock needed for the new house.
 
TDD makes so much sense
 
@TonyTheLion meh, lck
@BartekBanachewicz boo hiss get a camera
@BartekBanachewicz he he he
 

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